I just received my Anker battery from Laptopmate (ebay) today.
And surprisingly when I look on the cover, it seems there is a print out that is transparent from the back..and it shows number 1700.
Does it mean the real capacity of this Anker battery is only 1700 mAh?
The whole printout reads:
H0545148AR
TIF09NF1700 (I can't read clearly the first 3 letter on this second line)
Can anybody who receive this battery confirm this?
Does yours also show similar printout?
I attached the pictures for you to see.
Very interesting, I was going to ask someone whether they would tear off the labels on their batteries to look for serial numbers.
I've purchased 3rd party batteries in the past that had labeled capacities that were exaggerated versus the data sheet corresponding to the serial number printed underneath the label.
I believe that 545148AR may correspond to the battery listed in this document,
wenku.baidu.com/view/1b02a2205901020207409cc1.html
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Here is a description of the datasheet from a different datasheet I have from the same company.
Notes:
1.Rated capacities of above batteries are measured according to the following conditions:
under 20+5℃, battery is charged to 4.2V with constant current of 0.2C5mA, and charged continuously with
constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is 0.01 C5mA., then discharged to the voltage of 3.00V
with constant current of 0.2 C5mA.
2.Under 20+5℃, 65±5%RH, rated capacities less than 1000mAh, it can be charged to 4.2V with constant
current of 1 C5mA, and then, charged continuously with constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is
less than 0.01 C5mA, then battery can be discharged to the voltage of 3.00V with constant current 1 C5mA.
The discharging time is not less than 54 minutes (or capacity is not less then 90% rated capacity); rated
capacities more than 1000mAh, it can be charged to 4.2V with constant current of 0.5 C5mA, and then,
charged continuously with constant voltage of 4.2V until the charged current is less than 0.01 C 5mA, then
battery can be discharged to the voltage of 3.00V with constant current 0.5 C5mA.The discharging time is
not less than 108 minutes (or capacity is not less then 90% rated capacity)
3.Among models of the batteries mentioned above, the battery model labeled R is prismatic battery with
round angle； the one labeled A is the battery whose shell is made of Aluminum；the battery model labeled
S whose shell can is made of steel；the battery model labeled F is a set of explosion-proof；the one labeled
J means the battery is made by automatic line；the suffix of ''H,M,E,L or 1,2,etc" added to the model name
was to sort the capacity of the model which has the same size, and have no meaning else
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It would be interesting if someone can measure the dimensions and weight of the battery and compare it to the datasheet values to determine whether its the same battery or not. If the true capacity is actually 1650mAh, I would not be surprised at all based on my experiences with 3rd party batteries.
Guys I think the biggest thing to keep in mind about these Anker batteries, is that it seems to be a fairly unanimous consensus that these "1900" mAh batts are giving people longer cycles.
I spent a few hours today reading ALL the posts about every 3rd party battery for the Sensation, including the Evo 3D batts that work in the S4G. This Anker seems to have to mostly positive reviews by XDA members. Ya its a roll of the dice....but for under $20 to have possibly 4-7 extra hours....that's well worth it. I purchased one today....when it comes, ill give my results.
That faint number you see, that no one else seems to have noticed in the thread on Anker, could very well just be a random number....who knows.
Main thing....it seems to act like a 1900mAh battery
i have ripped my label off will post picture shortly
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i have ripped my label off will post picture shortly
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here are pictures
Hoping to love this $18.99-worth
I just bit the bullet and purchased this from amazon.com. For the price point as long as it gives any increase in battery life -and- doesn't set my phone on fire, this will be a worthy investment. As a newly converted blackberry user, battery life on android os devices just kills me. When I get the battery I'll post an update.
First post on xda FTW!
why did you feel the need to open a new thread about this when we already got more than one about the anker 1900mah battery?
My only concern with that is that its all just anecdotal evidence, no one here has tested the battery under controlled conditions with the appropriate equipment. Can we really reliably tell +100mAh from +400mAh based on peoples undefined estimates like "light usage, heavy usage", not to mention bias. Ultimately though, it probably won't matter to people as long as they think they're getting better battery life, which they probably are, but maybe not as much as they think they are.
this may sound werid..i may get flamed at i apologize... but what are the chances that these batteries will blow up compared to the oem htc sensation ones? is it really made out of high quality?
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I am also very skeptical about the 3rd parties and how they "feel", once again I will direct people to this test, Battery Boss where many popular 3rd party brands are tested to have only 70-82% of advertise capacity.
However every oem battery tested is around ~96% of listed capacity.
Sure its only 10 or $20, but I would rather put that money towards a battery with a 'true' rating.
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My only concern with that is that its all just anecdotal evidence, no one here has tested the battery under controlled conditions with the appropriate equipment. Can we really reliably tell +100mAh from +400mAh based on peoples undefined estimates like "light usage, heavy usage", not to mention bias. Ultimately though, it probably won't matter to people as long as they think they're getting better battery life, which they probably are, but maybe not as much as they think they are.
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Yes it will blow up definitely
vvilliamm said:
this may sound werid..i may get flamed at i apologize... but what are the chances that these batteries will blow up compared to the oem htc sensation ones? is it really made out of high quality?
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Let us not forget that if you turn your HTC battery over, it says...Made In China.
These Anker batteries probably come from the same manufacturer as HTC branded ones.... well it's very possible at least.
Seems like some people think that because it's Chinese...it's inferior to the oem HTC batts. One and same
Hoggles said:
Let us not forget that if you turn your HTC battery over, it says...Made In China.
These Anker batteries probably come from the same manufacturer as HTC branded ones.... well it's very possible at least.
Seems like some people think that because it's Chinese...it's inferior to the oem HTC batts. One and same
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$40 versus $10, one and the same? Maybe, but more likely wishful thinking. Remember you're trusting guys who are lying about the mAh ratings.
http://batteryboss.org/
Well, i can tell you this: Stock my BEST day was 14 hours with two hous of "screen on" (use) time. My first day on an Anker was 14 hours with 3 hours "screen on" (use) time.
Today, my second day on the Anker and I am at 64% at 9 hours with just over 1 hour screen on time. I will leave work in an hour with probably at least 58% left. i NEVER left work with more than 38% with my stock.
Is it a true 320more mAh? Dunno. Do I get better battery life? Absolutely. Worth $21 for 2 batterys and a charger? Most most most definitely.
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Well, i can tell you this: Stock my BEST day was 14 hours with two hous of "screen on" (use) time. My first day on an Anker was 14 hours with 3 hours "screen on" (use) time.
Today, my second day on the Anker and I am at 64% at 9 hours with just over 1 hour screen on time. I will leave work in an hour with probably at least 58% left. i NEVER left work with more than 38% with my stock.
Is it a true 320more mAh? Dunno. Do I get better battery life? Absolutely. Worth $21 for 2 batterys and a charger? Most most most definitely.
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If you even get the same battery life as OEM for $10 I'd say it's worth it. If it's significantly better that's a great deal.
Anybody else that has bought one care to post their comments here? Are they worth it in your opinion?
If nobody else has dencided to take up the challange I will, I am going to charge both batteries to full charge, turn the phone on full brightness, Wifi on, and leave a program running (a graphics test ot somthing) and see how both batteries fair.
the only time I can do this mind is over the weekend, if someone else has the time to do it beforehand then feel free buti feel that this would a much better way of judging battery life other than 'High usage', 'moderate usage' ect...
I do however feel I got more battery life from the Anker than the stock battery, so I feel the numbers are simply just part of the product ID and people are flapping over nothing.
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Hi All,
Well, I finally received my Andida 1800mAh battery in the mail this week. Charged it up and I'm on my second day of real world testing. It's midday over here and my phone has been off the charger since 8am although I have only used it to send a couple of messages, read a few emails and check my calendar today. I'm not using any SetCPU profiles (haven't even installed SetCPU) and I have 97% remaining.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to test this battery against the stock? I was just going to enable bluetooth, wifi, GPS and load a playlist of the first season of scrubs and see which one lasted the longest. I can't imagine either would last any more than a couple of hours.
Any better ideas would be appreciated, I'm keen to get to the bottom of this and see if there is any real world increase in capacity with this battery.
Krisbo
Im pretty sure this battery has no more mAh than the stock battery.
What do you mean by "mid day"?
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Im pretty sure this battery has no more mAh than the stock battery.
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Based on what? That's what I'm trying to determine here because although there has been a lot of waffle about batteries on this forum, I've yet to see many people who actually own the battery provide any conclusive results. At this stage I'm neither arguing for or against the battery, but testing it out.
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What do you mean by "mid day"?
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Mid-day means 12:00PM, as in the middle of the day
Charge them both to 100% and run the same movie completely on both. See where each battery stands after the movie finishes.
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Charge them both to 100% and run the same movie completely on both. See where each battery stands after the movie finishes.
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That would be a good test!
Been waiting for a good reliable review on this battery, let me know how it turns out for you...
Maybe then ill be assured to buy it I cus my inspire needs more jugo [juice]...
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I'm interested to hear the results of your test. Sounds like a perfect and objective way to tell which performs better....
I have this battery and just from my normal usage, it doesnt seem to be any different than the stock battery. I have not done any testing, just comparing where the batter is after a normal day to what my stock battery was after a normal day.
Make sure you go through a few cycles with the new battery before doing anything. Also wouldn't hurt to reset your battery stats after it's fully charged. It's hard to tell what a 'normal' days use is to compare one vs the other. The movie test seems to be a pretty valid test to me. Please post your results.
i just got my $109 shipment from netimes.com with 5 cases, blutooth headset, dock with a slot for a battery to charge, and 3 1600 mAh batteries and they were all about $7 but they last almost as long as the stock battery with normal use so their probably about 1200 mAh but with 4 it should get me through a couple of days with MIUI which i get amazing battery on
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I have this battery and just from my normal usage, it doesnt seem to be any different than the stock battery. I have not done any testing, just comparing where the batter is after a normal day to what my stock battery was after a normal day.
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That's what I'm doing now Will post results soon, stay tuned!
cordell507 said:
i just got my $109 shipment from netimes.com with 5 cases, blutooth headset, dock with a slot for a battery to charge, and 3 1600 mAh batteries and they were all about $7 but they last almost as long as the stock battery with normal use so their probably about 1200 mAh but with 4 it should get me through a couple of days with MIUI which i get amazing battery on
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It takes 4 to get you through a couple of days?
http://batteryboss.org/
People need to stop posting that website the batteries there are old and not updated to newest phones
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churro7 said:
People need to stop posting that website the batteries there are old and not updated to newest phones
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Not to be rude, but that website wasn't updated that long ago with phones/batteries that are still very relevant in today's market. Considering battery technology has not gone through any sort of major rework for years it's safe to say the results on that page are pretty accurate to those phones and most new phones coming out.
Also, it's no secret that the majority of these companies rate the batteries miserably higher than what they will actually test at. I'd also imagine it's safe to say that since the testing these companies haven't changed their whole business plan to represent accurate battery measurements.
Just my two cents. We all know the general result of these battery threads.
Still those batteries on that website dint represent anything other than the phones they are for. once they do inspire galaxy s the 4 g version etc then that thing can be reference d
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churro7 said:
Still those batteries on that website dint represent anything other than the phones they are for. once they do inspire galaxy s the 4 g version etc then that thing can be reference d
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Until a reputable company comes out with a batter you can pretty much count on it not being any higher capacity than stock. This is due to the size of the battery, unless it sticks out the side of the phone there is almost not a way to make the battery much higher capacity using the same technology.(cheaply) Do you have evidence to prove otherwise? I'm willing to bet you do not..
do you have evidence it cant?
The evidence is in the battery capacities available, not hard to show that.
that is no evidence.......ive seen aa batteries mAH ratings grow but no physical changes.
but that is beside the point until battery boss is updated with the newest phones batteries then it shouldnt be used as a guide like it was back then
I'm considering shelling out the 50 bucks for a 1700mha battery from Mugen.
I'm using an LG Quantum with the stock 1500. Anyone ever use one? Does it extend the life that much to be worth it?
...I also saw their monster 3400. The life would be great, but no thanks on the bulk-factor.
sure haven't said:
I'm considering shelling out the 50 bucks for a 1700mha battery from Mugen.
I'm using an LG Quantum with the stock 1500. Anyone ever use one? Does it extend the life that much to be worth it?
...I also saw their monster 3400. The life would be great, but no thanks on the bulk-factor.
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quick math tells me that the energy storage capacity for the 1700 is roughly 10% increase. Remember:
mAh = milli amp-hours. The number of hours the battery can sustain a one milli amp drain and is equivalent to the battery's capacity.
I do not believe it's worth the upgrade at that price. Also keep in mind that it will take longer to charge a higher capacity battery.
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quick math tells me that the energy storage capacity for the 1700 is roughly 10% increase. Remember:
mAh = milli amp-hours. The number of hours the battery can sustain a one milli amp drain and is equivalent to the battery's capacity.
I do not believe it's worth the upgrade at that price. Also keep in mind that it will take longer to charge a higher capacity battery.
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Interesting, I did not know that.
Many thanks for the advice. With that logic, no it's probably not a very good idea.
yeah... 10% increase is not worthed.. unless you go from 1300 to 1800 as in my mozart.. big increase
Also keep in mind these non OEM batteries may say 1800+ mAH, but the overall battery quality can be awful. I've heard some horror stories of leaking batteries, and the overall total capacity going down after only about a month or 2 of use.
HTC Arrive user here and I was using a 1800mah battery (coming from a 1500mah) and I say its worth it...straight up destroys the 1500mah. The only thing thats "meh" is that although it does seem to fully charge the battery, it just doesnt report it right. So at first it'll seem like the battery life is the same, but thats because you need to reboot the phone to get the right reading. For example, if you're at 100% and take it off the charger and do some nonsense, the reading will be the same as if you had the stock battery. But if you took it off the charger and immediately rebooted...you'd be on 100% for a long time (for me, with constantly listening to music after taking it off the charger and rebooting...I'd be on 100% for about 25-30 minutes).
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HTC Arrive user here and I was using a 1800mah battery (coming from a 1500mah) and I say its worth it...straight up destroys the 1500mah. The only thing thats "meh" is that although it does seem to fully charge the battery, it just doesnt report it right. So at first it'll seem like the battery life is the same, but thats because you need to reboot the phone to get the right reading. For example, if you're at 100% and take it off the charger and do some nonsense, the reading will be the same as if you had the stock battery. But if you took it off the charger and immediately rebooted...you'd be on 100% for a long time (for me, with constantly listening to music after taking it off the charger and rebooting...I'd be on 100% for about 25-30 minutes).
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Which battery maker are you using and does that 1800 fit the same profile as the 1500 one?
...I bought a Mugen 1800mAh battery for my Mozart and I am very happy with it.
I am now at ~ 60 hours per charge against 36 hours with the original battery...
I also got the 1800mah Mugen battery for my Verizon HTC Trophy. It does last longer than the OEM, in real world, maybe a 1/2 hour to an hour of talk time (standby longer )
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1600mAh...9A/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1318871003&sr=8-15
Bought it and my battery life is very good now, I can actually power use my phone without worried about battery. I played fruit ninja and played music via 3g with the speakers for more than an hour and loss like 15% percent battery. Went to bed with the battery at 12% and when I woke up it was at 8%. I can't get you any technical specs but the battery is alot better than stock, and for the price you can't go wrong.
Bought these batteries but after pretty extensive testing, I've got to say that any actual difference is marginal at best. Battery Monitor Widget measures them at nearly the same capacity as the original...the best figure it gave was ~1300mAh but accounting for the % error that's likely a bit overstated. Bottom line...you get two batteries on par w/ stock for a good price...just don't expect any real performance difference between a new stock battery and an Anker.
I too purchased this set of anker batteries and charger. But picked up on ebay for even less from the same amazon dealer. Also I needed the charger to charge batteries for older phones that used a proprietory charger that I didn't have. My stock HTC battery just wasn't keeping up after only a few months old. Maybe it says something for the quality of the OEM battery. Who knows. But after 2 weeks of using one of these batteries the difference is still night and day for me. Charge lasts much longer than my 6 month old OEM battery. Whether they are better/worse than a NEW OEM battery I can't say. But for the price and after running one for 2 weeks I definitely give them 2 thumbs up.
I highly doubt these are 1600 mah, it's probably closer to the stock battery.
You guys are comparing a heavily used stock battery to these new ones. What you should be comparing is a new stock battery vs these and you'd probably end up seeing very little difference.
I agree, I bought the same batteries and I wouldnt say the power was what I expected. I wouldnt say they are worth the price, rather just practice good battery management with the proper settings over the battery.
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I agree, I bought the same batteries and I wouldnt say the power was what I expected. I wouldnt say they are worth the price, rather just practice good battery management with the proper settings over the battery.
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That or have a charger handy at all times lol.
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Well I just got them for Christmas (gosh I love ordering my own gifts from time to time Haha) and Will give a review after I charge one up tonight and give it a few days use. I can say that I got this phone in March and battery monitor widget consistently measures actual capacity between 986 and 1081 mAh. So OEM battery durability seems to be pretty crappy. Fingers crossed for the new ones!
Also, the stock battery in the last month has still been awful with the battery management technique of "put it on the table and do something else while leaving it in idle mode with data connection off"
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News is good! This battery tests at around 1500 mAh, as expected short of the advertised 1600, but far better than the older stock battery! After 5 hrs 5 mins on battery with fairly light use, I have 83% battery left.
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I got one of those on the 25th too. The first couple of days were moderatly light use until I got home from work. Then it was more. Got 26+/- hours out of each charge. Lots better than stock battery that was down to 5% usually after a 10 hr day with the same amount of usage
I wonder how the performance of the battery last over time. As in does the quality compare to that of the stock? So far my stock battery has a charge of about 8 hours on a good charge with moderate use anand its about a year old. How do these compare?
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We shall know in a few weeks/months/Kardashians (you know, 72 days). We will keep you posted man! As terrible as quality was on stock, I don't see how it could get much worse. This battery peaks out aroun 27 degrees Celsius when charging during use and stock would hit 34 degrees consistently.
Have to report that my Anker batteries are still doing great. Battery monitor still reporting both around 1475. I find myself not charging the battery overnight sometimes since I still have a decent charge left. And as someone mentioned it isn't fair to compair these new batteries to a failing stock battery. Stock battery was ONLY 7 months old (not good at all). It too is made in china. You can purchase 2 anker batteries and a universal charger for half the price of an oem replacement battery. Never expected the anker batteries to be 1600. How about someone with a fairly new oem battery and using battery monitor report the mAh they get.
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Have to report that my Anker batteries are still doing great. Battery monitor still reporting both around 1475.
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May i ask how long ago you bought this battery?
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I highly doubt these are 1600 mah, it's probably closer to the stock battery.
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As from previous experience, It is not a big deal if they are less than 1600mah, so is the case of OEM batteries.
Or a quick Google search will show batteries with much less capacity selling for a lot more.
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Have to report that my Anker batteries are still doing great. Battery monitor still reporting both around 1475. I find myself not charging the battery overnight sometimes since I still have a decent charge left. And as someone mentioned it isn't fair to compair these new batteries to a failing stock battery. Stock battery was ONLY 7 months old (not good at all). It too is made in china. You can purchase 2 anker batteries and a universal charger for half the price of an oem replacement battery. Never expected the anker batteries to be 1600. How about someone with a fairly new oem battery and using battery monitor report the mAh they get.
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mine is what i would consider fairly new and battery moniter reports the total mah to be 1230mAh stock OEM htc battery that came with my inspire and i get usually a day and half out of normal use
I have had my batteries for about 2 1/2 months now. Still getting 1470 on average out of each. I switch them every 2 weeks just to keep them fresh.
Great news, I'll be buying these batteries soon then
Just got these myself yesterday. Granted I've only had them one day they have been great and are equal if not better than my original battery. Again this is only after one day use so hopefully it stays the same.
But so far I have 4.25 hours of on-screen time
30 min of GPS with imapmyrun
30 min of Pandora(for my run)
Total time: 1day 2 hours and have about 7 percent left
Wifi and GPS were always on even when not in use. Regular setup of gmail, and yahoo to push my emails
I hope you guys are aware of how lithium ion's work... which these are. I'm positive someone has already said this in some other section, but it should be known as this applies to practically all phones.
Deep discharging frequently will damage the batteries, best not to run these batteries all the way down just because you can....
Heat will kill the batteries quicker than just about anything you throw at it. When you guys deep discharge and have a prolonged recharging time the phone does get hot, also leaving the phone/battery in a hot summer car... well...
Time is another issue. The batteries degrade with time/age, whether you use them or not. If a seller is selling you a "new" battery that's been sitting on their shelf for a couple of years, you're going to get a gimped battery despite it being "new".
I recently got a couple of these batteries, charged them with the wall charger then when i put them into phone, didn't work phone saw them as at 0% and switched off , (yes made sure i put them in the right way.)
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I recently got a couple of these batteries, charged them with the wall charger then when i put them into phone, didn't work phone saw them as at 0% and switched off , (yes made sure i put them in the right way.)
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Sounds like you did something wrong. 2 batteries? I don't care how junky you might find them they should have at least worked. Guessing you did something wrong woth the wall charger. Try charging them in your phone.
I'm very curous about this battery for Desire HD. From my experience, 3rd party batteries are generally frowned upon because they usually either
1) Does not contain the advertised charge (mah) amount
2) Does contain the advertised amount of charge but the battery spoils fast, and would be unable to hold charge properly after a few months of usage
3) Heat issues, etc, safety issues in general
It seems like many people in this forum have already got the battery and would like to know whats it like so far. my current original DHD battery has already semi gave way after a year+ of usage, it no longer hold the charge proper and I can only charge up till 60+% before it jumps straight to 100%, as well as battery level jumps erratically.
I went to check, seems like the mugen 1500mah battery http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ery-for-for-htc-desire-hd-softbank-001ht.html cost around $45 US which translates to roughly $56SGD whereas locally the original DHD battery costs $59SGD. Adding a couple of bucks for shipping and all, it definitely works out to be a better battery to purchase if it actually works well (e.g. refer to above criterias).
So I would like to know whether the battery suffer from the problem of holding charge and also any heat/security issues. Considering I've read that many people claim that they get a lot more battery life out of it in their initial usage.
you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments
If you can live with a modified battery cover then this is superior to the mugen battery and cheaper too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1344761
Big advantage here is you can use an original sensation/evo3d battery from HTC and don't have to have rely on 3rd party batteries.
On the other hand you can get as much as 1900mAh instead of the 1500mAh mugen offers.
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you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments
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As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.
Even if they would reply, you wouldn't be able to use their statements because you don't know how they treated the battery so far.
I received my Mugen battery lately and I will be handling it the way I learned from here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.
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I have been using the Mugen battery for about a month now, following their instructions on how to handle the battery during the initial charges.
First, you say "3rd party batteries lose their charge.... after months to a year". Well, my original HTC battery after one year, is - I estimate - about 50% of the new Mugen.
OK, a new battery will outperform an old one, but it's not just 3rd party batteries.
When I changed batteries, the OEM one had actually expanded slightly and it did not slide out of its compartment easily. So the OEM is not a perfect guarantee of a lifetime of high power and good behaviour
And, I spent the extra € on Mugen and not the 2000mAh cons from eBay - Mugen has built a reputation over time, it is built to a similar (or higher?) standard as the OEM's.
btw look for a coupon that is valid for 10 or 20% I recall off the standard Mugen price.
test1800mAh
Many businesses will pretend to be the large capacity, we choose the best choice in the factory, so the quality guaranteed some. I bought a nominal capacity is 2300 mAh, I test the actual can reach 1800 mAh.
does it give you much better battery life?
So if im charghing my battery and it jumps to 100 from 74pct it shows that my battery is in bad condition?
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does it give you much better battery life?
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Yes, about 22 % (1500:1230= 1,219...)
No because it's physically impossible.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
No because it's physically impossible.
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I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
Zeitraffer said:
I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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I can confirm this too.
Zeitraffer said:
I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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Give me a screenshot of a true test of the battery using external monitoring. Batteryboss.org is my proof, where is yours?
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where is yours?
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I can confirm this too.
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Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.
I used a battery testing widget when I first got the mugen battery about 2 months back...
It was around 1300mAh with maximum 15% deviation, stayed around that value for the charge cycles done during that period, for about a couple of weeks.
I'd say its definitely pretty close. My HTC battery was at 800mAh with maximum of 20% deviation by the end of 1 year.
(Deviation comes from the limitation of calculating the mAh if I'm not wrong. Because it takes value of the actual consumption / charging once every minute or so, it kind of either interpolates between values, or just assume the whole 1 minute being the recorded value. Hence the possible variation.)
Zeitraffer said:
Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.
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Of course you don't, but no, ignorance is not a replacement for knowledge.
Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong. Where is proof that you're right?
For the OP: http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Univ...able-Packaging/dp/B00486MH80/ref=pd_sim_cps_6
That should give one full charge of the Desire HD from 0% to 100%. It's about the size of the phone, but thinner.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-SlimTal..._1_6?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1334818005&sr=1-6
This should give around two to 1.75 full charges.
I would highly suggest going with genuine OEM batteries to get the maximum you can get. Always ask yourself: If it was so easy to get more battery capacity into the phone, why didn't HTC do it?
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Batteryboss.org is my proof
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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
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Tests of batteries being sold for HTC's Nexus One, Incredible, EVO 4G, Hero, Desire and Touch Pro2/Tilt 2.
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Hunt3r.j2 said:
where is yours?
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Where is proof that you're right?
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I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
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Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong.
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Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is
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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
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I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
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Your own phone is telling you that you're getting exactly OEM capacity, maybe less. Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is based upon the voltage and the mA consumed to get to that voltage. So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less. The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
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Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is
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1. Your test app is proving you wrong.
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.
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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
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1 battery doesn't prove anything.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is
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No, it uses historical data (logs) to measure the battery. It doesn't think, it measures.
Please provide a link or anything else for such statements.
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Measures real battery capacity using historical data
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So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less.
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No. This is how the app works: This value (1214 mAh) was measured by not draining the battery completely anymore. If I don't drain the pack to 0%, the app cannot measure all the capacity. Simple logic.
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The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
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No, the battery was measured all the way from 100% to 0%, and that's what came out after several complete cycles. The log is accessible inside the program.
How should it claim another value?
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Your test app is proving you wrong.
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Please prove that statement.
HTC Desire HD is a supported device
http://www.3c71.com/android/?q=node/102
Hunt3r.j2 said:
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.
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That is just your opinion.
Hi to all,
I just wanted to make a debate about the real capacity of our phones batteries.
That's because I found an app that allows us to measure the real capacity and I found a quite astonishing result: it seems like my battery has the same behaviour as a 2200mAh ones!
In fact, with all connection active (Bluetooth, Wifi, LTE, synchronization..) I barely reach 3h of SOT daily.
I used 3C toolbox (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.at.free) using the instructions in this answer (https://android.stackexchange.com/q...ity-of-a-battery-in-mah-received-fake-battery in "How to measure actual capacity using 3C Toolbox").
Also if you can advise different apps and methods to do this, I would be very happy.
Thanks to all!
The real battery capacity is the advertised one. 3000-3080mAh.
Xiaomi uses lower binned batteries which degrade a bit faster over time. An app can't measure the real battery capacity or estimate it accurately. The SOC we have is power hungry and inefficient, that's why it's so hot too.
I think it's 1500 mah or something like that. I get only 2 or 2.5 hours screen on time. The results has been never changed which i've tried several roms.
Cozzmy13 said:
The real battery capacity is the advertised one. 3000-3080mAh.
Xiaomi uses lower binned batteries which degrade a bit faster over time. An app can't measure the real battery capacity or estimate it accurately. The SOC we have is power hungry and inefficient, that's why it's so hot too.
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Well, the app don't measure the battery capacity, but how much current flows in when it's charging.
So you're saying that the main problem is the age of the battery..
Do you think that changing battery may improve the result?
3h sot is normal, when used from morning till evening. When used continually, I get 5-6h sot. An app cannot accurately measure battery capacity. This phone, like many others, is built to last a day with moderate usage...
Brunnys said:
Hi to all, I just wanted to make a debate about the real capacity of our phones batteries.
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Also if you can advise different apps and methods to do this, I would be very happy. Thanks to all!
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Hello, this is a very interesting topic, so I decided to check the real capacity of my Mi4c's battery with one of these. When the phone turned off at 0% I recharged it to 100%, while still off, with the following result: 1.76Ah @ 8.8V as I was using a QC2 charger. Let's translate it to the battery's 3.8V assuming 80% charging circuit conversion efficiency:
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((8.8 * 1.76) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.2Ah
My battery is 6 months old and seems to be slightly better than specified.
If you use a 5V non-QC charger try one of these to measure it and assume higher 90% efficiency. Android battery apps are useless, please check it out with a hardware meter...
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I'm already running third battery with my mi4c, all three tested with a similar hardware meter:
1. original battery, but already with signs of being worn out (shutdowns, sudden voltage drops) ~12Wh, not tested as being new
2. aliexpress replacement (getting worn out after 3months of use) ~13Wh
3. some battery I've got at local online shop that seller claims to be original (not 100% sure, but dimensions and weight match the original one) - sligthly over 14Wh
4. -another mi4c, as it was brand new- just over 14Wh from empty to max; surely the battery is in good condition as the one can reach 6h SoT
and I've tried different chargers (QC,non-QC) and no go - no way to see 15Wh or more being transmitted in one charge on both mi4c's I've got at home
Find out about battery behaviour of Nexus 5x, as its specs are very similar to mi4c's and compare battery capacity and standby/sot
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Find out about battery behaviour of Nexus 5x, as its specs are very similar to mi4c's and compare battery capacity and standby/sot
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And our battery behavior is a lot better.
Should I consider the values from /sys/class/power_supply/bms/ valid?
charge_full = 1983000
charge_full_design = 3071000
Does that mean that my battery capacity is now only ~2000 mAh?
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charge_now_raw reports 2952776 when my battery level is 98%. So something is definitely wrong there.
Writing more stats for comparison:
cycle_count: 20430
resistance: 279541
esr_count: 63
voltage_now: 4223995
voltage_ocv: 4323094
capacity_raw: 9495
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...and I've tried different chargers (QC,non-QC) and no go - no way to see 15Wh or more being transmitted in one charge on both mi4c's I've got at home
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Your results are fine but you're not accounting for the efficiency of charging which also decreases with higher...
charger's voltage
meter's internal resistance
connecting cable and contacts resistance
My 15.7Wh on the meter is actually around 15.7*0.8=12.5Wh on the battery.
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Should I consider the values from /sys/class/power_supply/bms/ valid?
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Some of them are definitively valid, others depend on type/firmware version of the control chip integrated in your battery. Here are mine:
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POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=bms
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=51
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_RAW=5143
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=432278
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=3837410
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_OCV=3874031
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MAX_DESIGN=4400000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_RAW=1481002
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW_ERROR=98504
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=3101000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3071000
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=285
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_COOL=0
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP_WARM=450
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE=110778
POWER_SUPPLY_RESISTANCE_ID=50306
POWER_SUPPLY_BATTERY_TYPE=x11_atl
POWER_SUPPLY_UPDATE_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_ESR_COUNT=64
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN=1
POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0
It was measured with the power gauge at around 55%. My CYCLE_COUNT is surely higher than 0 after 6 months of use, and your CYCLE_COUNT=20430 is simply impossible
I'd more believe your charge_now_raw = 2952776 than charge_full = 1983000.
Incidentally, the simplest way to get these stats is from TWRP in ADB:
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adb shell cat /sys/class/power_supply/bms/* > bms.txt
Hey guys, long time no see
I did not see the thread, but i went on with my speculations on the same matter.
I bought this from amazon https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00NPVZHAO/ because i wanted to test my day-one mi4c battery.
It has roughly one year and a half.
Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed, but hey, maybe i had a degraded battery to start with, and since i never measured before i went on to buy a new original one.
Well, yesterday it arrived. changed it, discharged to 0%, charged to 100%.
Okay, it's only the first cycle, but...
1800 mAh
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
After all, if this is correct my old battery degraded by 10% in 18 months...and that's realistic.
Please tell me i'm wrong.
I bought it for this job and I wait. But unfortunately there is not much hope
Nexus 5x has very similar specs and very similar SOT. Also, the original qc charger is supposed to charge using 5v,9v and 12v, not only 5v. What does that say about your research? Either both manufacturers lie, or you're doing something wrong.
I get anywhere from typical 3h(usage from morning till night) to 6h(continuous movie watching using streaming). For the record...
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Nexus 5x has very similar specs and very similar SOT. Also, the original qc charger is supposed to charge using 5v,9v and 12v, not only 5v. What does that say about your research? Either both manufacturers lie, or you're doing something wrong.
I get anywhere from typical 3h(usage from morning till night) to 6h(continuous movie watching using streaming). For the record...
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I took the photo with the phone disconnected, but i remember that during charging it's at steady 8.91 v and 1.02 A
I'll take new pics after some charge cycles with the new battery and post the results.
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Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed...
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
Please tell me i'm wrong.
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Yes, please read my earlier post in this thread.
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I took the photo with the phone disconnected, but i remember that during charging it's at steady 8.91 v and 1.02 A
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((8.91 * 1.617) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.03Ah
Which is exactly as advertised by the manufacturer.
No need to change batteries, your SOT is low because of the awful apps you use. For example, did you know that "uninstalling Facebook app saves up to 20% of Android battery life"? You can still use FB and its notifications without the app - read the article.
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((8.91 * 1.617) / 3.8) * 0.8 = 3.03Ah
Which is exactly as advertised by the manufacturer.
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Thanks @k23m, i felt like a student again but after reviewing your formula you are right.
I though the tool's mAh measurement were already adjusted for the battery's voltage, but as you showed we still need to do some math.
I guess that i didn't need a new battery after all, but now that i have one it's certainly better!
I don't have issues with SoT, i do 5-6h on TS CM13 (i stay on marshmallow for xposed) but i just wanted to test battery degradation.
I will still post new battery results after a few cycles.
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Hey guys, long time no see
I did not see the thread, but i went on with my speculations on the same matter.
I bought this from amazon https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00NPVZHAO/ because i wanted to test my day-one mi4c battery.
It has roughly one year and a half.
Well...from 0 to 100% it gets a whopping 1617 mAh (see the attachment).
I was disappointed, but hey, maybe i had a degraded battery to start with, and since i never measured before i went on to buy a new original one.
Well, yesterday it arrived. changed it, discharged to 0%, charged to 100%.
Okay, it's only the first cycle, but...
1800 mAh
I guess advertised capacity is a long way from the real one?
After all, if this is correct my old battery degraded by 10% in 18 months...and that's realistic.
Please tell me i'm wrong.
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Where did you get the original battery? There are always fake on the internet.
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Where did you get the original battery? There are always fake on the internet.
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ebay battery seller with 20k feedback 99%+ positive.
I never saw the oem parts of xiaomi on the internet but I dont know i hope this original.