Hello everyone, got a quick question.
Im rooted, running the stock ROM, but have the imoseyon lean kernal. how do i get the new OTA? do i just download it as normal? or flash an install like the one Androidpolice.com leaked earlier.
I did notice it says at the bottom of the androidpolice.com article it says
"It's worth noting that it is not recommended that rooted users flash this update, as it will break root."
What does this mean for me? dont do it? im confused. much help appreciated!
Thanks everyone!
THUNDEROID said:
Hello everyone, got a quick question.
Im rooted, running the stock ROM, but have the imoseyon lean kernal. how do i get the new OTA? do i just download it as normal? or flash an install like the one Androidpolice.com leaked earlier.
I did notice it says at the bottom of the androidpolice.com article it says
"It's worth noting that it is not recommended that rooted users flash this update, as it will break root."
What does this mean for me? dont do it? im confused. much help appreciated!
Thanks everyone!
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Don't download and flash the full ruu (full update) or you will loose root. If you want to stay on froyo I would download Bamf 1.8.6 then download the new radio striped from the new ruu. If you want to go gingerbread I would go with bamf 3.0 RC4 This new radio will not work on the stock rooted rom bit will work with the two roms I mentioned. Good luck!
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Flash this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160374 and the 627 radio for root mr2
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Ok, thanks guys. i think im going to go gingerbread with BAMF 3.0. seems like the most ideal route. are they still having those gingerbread bricking issues? dont want to run it if its still a big risk.
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Ok, thanks guys. i think im going to go gingerbread with BAMF 3.0. seems like the most ideal route. are they still having those gingerbread bricking issues? dont want to run it if its still a big risk.
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None in quite a while. If you do go to and GB rom you will loose your voicemail notifications and will need to setup and use either VVM or google voice. I use google voice because it works great and its free. VVM does cost. I believe in the form of a monthly fee.
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azturbomini said:
None in quite a while. If you do go to and GB rom you will loose your voicemail notifications and will need to setup and use either VVM or google voice. I use google voice because it works great and its free. VVM does cost. I believe in the form of a monthly fee.
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oh, ok. well i never get voicemails anyway, but in the chance i do, i could just check every so often dialing *86 regardless of the visual notification? i dont want to pay for VVM, and dont want to do google voice just yet.
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oh, ok. well i never get voicemails anyway, but in the chance i do, i could just check every so often dialing *86 regardless of the visual notification? i dont want to pay for VVM, and dont want to do google voice just yet.
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I guess your could. They will be there waiting for you. You just won't know when you received them. Google voice will notify you that you have one...
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So these Roms give you everything in the OTA?
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So these Roms give you everything in the OTA?
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The short answer to this is no. The OTA is just the radio upgrade to stop rebooting and some random verizon applications that waste space. ROMs don't include the radio (must install separately), but they change the way the phone looks and works.
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I read today that OTAs may not work if you get rid of Amy of the locked software. My first day after rooting I deleted TeleNav because I will never use it. However in hindsight I should just freeze it. Does anyone know where I can get this APK or is anyone willing to send it to me? Thanks.
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Here ya go!
What I do is just move the apks from the system app folder to a folder in SD. Then I can move them back if needed. Works great.
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I read today that OTAs may not work if you get rid of Amy of the locked software. My first day after rooting I deleted TeleNav because I will never use it. However in hindsight I should just freeze it. Does anyone know where I can get this APK or is anyone willing to send it to me? Thanks.
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Can't you get all of the pre installed apps back by doing a factory reset? Also, the only app I deleted was My Account and you can just get it back from the market. I deleted many system apps on my Vibrant but I was still able to upgrade to Froyo. I think someone started this rumor without any merit.
I have heard that before also (as well as being rooted and flashing a different recovery).
I usually jut freeze them. Note - if you delete a system app - it is gone - factory reset will only reset what is left.
I think we might see a CM 2.3 ROM before any TMo/LG 2.3 update like we did on the MT4G. If not, the update should get posted pretty quick.
I do not think it matters. well since most of us will be flashing CM when it comes to the phone you will be flashing all the apps cyan adds.
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Here ya go!
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Thanks! I will probably get CM too but I just wanted to have all my bases covered. Just in case.
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Please check /cache and copy all files from it before rebooting to install.
That way, we can get a copy.
For more advanced users, please run a logcat during download process, so that we can try and get a URL to download it manually.
Thanks!
no prob I was just saying in another thread that i am new to the forums and a verizon wireless employee. I was just about to post a thread letting all the devs know that i have access to info a few days (sometimes...you guys are good) before the general public. I also have a thunderbolt that im not afraid to brick trying new things (giunea pig) because i can get it replaced being an employee.
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Please check /cache and copy all files from it before rebooting to install.
That way, we can get a copy.
For more advanced users, please run a logcat during download process, so that we can try and get a URL to download it manually.
Thanks!
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Disclaimer : Hi my name is Daniel and I'm a noob.
I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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I'm wondering this aswell
raider3bravo said:
I'm assuming that if you're rooted you shouldn't touch any updates until they've been modified by the devs?
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Honestly I am noobish myself but from what I understand if you CAN get the update, it may unroot your device but you just have to do the last few steps of the rooting process over to gain root again. If you are using a custom ROM you may have to manually push the update to the phone.
Again this is not absolute but this is what I believe to be true. If I am mistaken please correct me. This is why I think the OP wants to be able to download it from a website...and also to tear it down for any new goodies
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dcmbullet said:
Honestly I am noobish myself but from what I understand if you CAN get the update, it may unroot your device but you just have to do the last few steps of the rooting process over to gain root again. If you are using a custom ROM you may have to manually push the update to the phone.
Again this is not absolute but this is what I believe to be true. If I am mistaken please correct me. This is why I think the OP wants to be able to download it from a website...and also to tear it down for any new goodies
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I have never been through a htc update but I'm pretty sure it puts s back on which would make you unable to regain root I believe.
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I have never been through a htc update but I'm pretty sure it puts s back on which would make you unable to regain root I believe.
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There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
What can we do to stop the OTA?
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There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
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If that's the case, there must be a way to block or prevent this. Would any devs care to add their valuable input?
Would switching to an AOSP make any difference?
The release date is 05/03/2011. That means, we have ample time to get a plan in place. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would hate to re-root their phone.
Is it possible for them to lock the bootloader with this OTA?
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If that's the case, there must be a way to block or prevent this. Would any devs care to add their valuable input?
Would switching to an AOSP make any difference?
The release date is 05/03/2011. That means, we have ample time to get a plan in place. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would hate to re-root their phone.
Is it possible for them to lock the bootloader with this OTA?
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I would say switching to aosp would prevent it as it prevented the updating of the prl.
No. In motorola phones they are locked by hardware. If you were to install a new kernel it trips a component that basically bricks your phone and to disable the trip you would need to crack military grade encryption. We are okay.
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If you are running a Rom with the Verizon framework remove, they have no control over your phone. You will be fine.
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miketoasty said:
I would say switching to aosp would prevent it as it prevented the updating of the prl.
No. In motorola phones they are locked by hardware. If you were to install a new kernel it trips a component that basically bricks your phone and to disable the trip you would need to crack military grade encryption. We are okay.
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I'm not familiar with AOSP's. Is the "Pre-ALPHA Pre-release of CyanogenMod 7" an AOSP?
Are Senseless or Desensed Roms AOSP?
God I hope this update comes today or tomorrow !
tekhna said:
There's been some talk that they'll force-push the update. Dunno the veracity of that. I'm thinking about returning to stock beforehand.
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I call bullish*t
dirtyfingers said:
I call bullish*t
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I second that.
droidxscott said:
God I hope this update comes today or tomorrow !
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I already put in a different thread that verizon has announced that the ota is scheduled for release 5/3. I have noticed in the past that software updates have been released earlier than scheduled release dates (e.g. froyo update for fascinate was available 7pm the night before)
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I'm not familiar with AOSP's. Is the "Pre-ALPHA Pre-release of CyanogenMod 7" an AOSP?
Are Senseless or Desensed Roms AOSP?
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According to this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027706) in the development forum, CM7 is listed under "AOSP Based." As for senseless ROM's, I think it depends on the specific ROM in question, as some are and some aren't (but I could be wrong).
Are we waiting for the update that was just recently announced? The same one that's already in bamf? Or am I missing something?
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dadsterflip said:
Are we waiting for the update that was just recently announced? The same one that's already in bamf? Or am I missing something?
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I want the ota update to tinker with, yes.
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I might have just saw the update. I saw something out of the corner of my eye in the notification bar but when I turned my head nothing. I then rebooted my phone and I saw something else out of the corner of my eye (I have really good peripheral vision). There is a small chance it was the clock changing times (yes my vision is that good). I will let everyone know if the phone feels faster and more updated to know for sure.
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adrynalyne said:
I want the ota update to tinker with, yes.
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aight ill let ya know if i get something unless someone hands it to you first. Bamf doens't have the block updater installed?
Okay I literally just got this phone yesterday and I see all this talk about Gingerbread and how great it is so I decided I want to try it. I know next to nothing about all the technicalities about this phone so I youtube'd how to do it and found this video that I plan to use to help me in the process. - watch?v=YuURgkUYn1A
So if I follow that process and use the files he uses, I should have Gingerbread and still have my connection to AT&T, GPS, and WiFi? Also, when AT&T finally does release it officially, will I be able to just go to Software Update on the menu and get the official AT&T Firmware and not have to worry about all this technical stuff again?
xiacexi said:
Okay I literally just got this phone yesterday and I see all this talk about Gingerbread and how great it is so I decided I want to try it. I know next to nothing about all the technicalities about this phone so I youtube'd how to do it and found this video that I plan to use to help me in the process. - watch?v=YuURgkUYn1A
So if I follow that process and use the files he uses, I should have Gingerbread and still have my connection to AT&T, GPS, and WiFi? Also, when AT&T finally does release it officially, will I be able to just go to Software Update on the menu and get the official AT&T Firmware and not have to worry about all this technical stuff again?
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Try THIS link out, its got pretty much everything you want to know to get started(including vids). The only things that don't work on GB currently HDMI and on some of the roms, bluetooth. If you want to get the official OTA when it drops you will have to go back to stock, easiest way is to use THIS method. Also when GB does drop, Devs most likely will make their own roms based on the official GB.
Once your rooted and have recovery installed use THIS thread to find the ROM you want...
This is just a rough overview, so make sure you READ carefully and take your time, any question you have is usually answered in the appropriate thread.
Here is a link to the latest AT&T Gingerbread leak. Use Odin to flash it, and if you stick with the included stock kernel, everything works as it should. It looks very close to being ready for release. If you want it rooted, flash Entropy's kernel and then use CWM recovery and the Superuser zip you can find on here to install su. Then, flash the stock kernel again to keep everything working (video, bluetooth, etc.).:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366801
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jscott30 said:
Here is a link to the latest AT&T Gingerbread leak. Use Odin to flash it, and if you stick with the included stock kernel, everything works as it should. It looks very close to being ready for release. If you want it rooted, flash Entropy's kernel and then use CWM recovery and the Superuser zip you can find on here to install su. Then, flash the stock kernel again to keep everything working (video, bluetooth, etc.).:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366801
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Lol all that makes sense to me and you but, you probably just judo chopped his cerebral cortex with that post...
xIC-MACIx said:
Lol all that makes sense to me and you but, you probably just judo chopped his cerebral cortex with that post...
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Agreed, but in your earlier post, you gave some good links that show how to get started. If he reads the information in those threads, and tries out rooting stock Froyo, installing the modified recovery, and flashing some custom roms, that post shouldn't be too hard to follow.
jscott30 said:
Agreed, but in your earlier post, you gave some good links that show how to get started. If he reads the information in those threads, and tries out rooting stock Froyo, installing the modified recovery, and flashing some custom roms, that post shouldn't be too hard to follow.
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Lol yeah let's hope so, seems like lately the Q&A is getting flooded with previously answered questions
Everything is working on catyrom after I update to UCKK4 with rooted custom kernel...don't believe the hype....it can work if you know what your doing
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dman3285 said:
...don't believe the hype....it can work if you know what your doing
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Ha, you were my source for the hype. In your rooted UCKK4 thread, you said:
dman3285 said:
Here is the flashable rooted version...
If you want video working, flash the stock kernel
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So, you have a custom kernel with CWM and everything working with UCKK4 in catyrom?
I figured we would have to wait until AT&T / Samsung released their Gingerbread source to compile a completely working kernel. Can you point me in the direction of a custom kernel w/ CWM that has video and everything working in stock rooted UCKK4?
Yes..that was then this is now...lol...with some mods to some jars and framework it will work...learned that myself...
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Haven't released the KK4 version yet...soon
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dman3285 said:
Haven't released the KK4 version yet...soon
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That's legit Dman, it seems you learn a new trick on a daily basis; ports, roms and now kernels. I'm loving how the infuse development is still kickin!
So back on topic lol. Xia, Dman's CatyRom is one of the most recent GB roms (and plenty more), it's based off of the leaks from At&t. Once your ready, look into that!
Edit: Nevermind my question, dman, thanks anyway for what you're doing.
To the OP, a good AOSP Gingerbread rom that I keep coming back to is Serendipity VII. I hope that MikeyMike will still come back to update that one when we get the official AT&T Gingerbread.
You can find that here.: http://serendipityinfuse.weebly.com/
I'm sure what I've done is no new news to the other devs
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xIC-MACIx said:
Lol all that makes sense to me and you but, you probably just judo chopped his cerebral cortex with that post...
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LMAO!!!!!!
xiacexi said:
Okay I literally just got this phone yesterday and I see all this talk about Gingerbread and how great it is so I decided I want to try it. I know next to nothing about all the technicalities about this phone so I youtube'd how to do it and found this video that I plan to use to help me in the process. - watch?v=YuURgkUYn1A
So if I follow that process and use the files he uses, I should have Gingerbread and still have my connection to AT&T, GPS, and WiFi? Also, when AT&T finally does release it officially, will I be able to just go to Software Update on the menu and get the official AT&T Firmware and not have to worry about all this technical stuff again?
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you should head over to the devs section and download dmans rooted gb 2.3.6 its the shi* :O
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Lol all that makes sense to me and you but, you probably just judo chopped his cerebral cortex with that post...
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Couldn't help seriously laughing out loud to this comment. I consider myself to be pretty computer literate but still have to step away from the electronics everyonce in awhile for fear of judo chopping my own. My best advice to all noobs is... take your time and read. Its all right there in front of you. That is all.
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HI all my Tmobile mytouch 4g just got a software update to 2.32.531.1 ,its is 24.22 MB .. This inclures new enhancement and importannt security update and wont be deleting any files inside as per the notice, download going on now.. will let u know more on this.
see attached image..
Cheers,
Renga
Rengak05 said:
...Tmobile mytouch 4g just got a software update to 2.32.531.1 ,its is 24.22 MB ...
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I tried searching google for any info on this update. It appears you are the first and only to mention it!
Looking forward to hearing more about it. I wonder if this will roll out in the West or just in India.
Thanks for the notice, and please keep us posted!
In az just checked and i have the same update available
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when I did an upgrade check on my phone I got the notice for this as well - Colorado -
I checked on of my employee's phones, and it found it for him too.
Question, will this break root?
Milehighmeltdown said:
Question, will this break root?
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That's really the important question.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the Carrier IQ mess.
Skipjacks said:
That's really the important question.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the Carrier IQ mess.
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Typically any Official update will break #SU access and sometimes cause a serious headache in the process.
If you are rooted, do not apply the update. Just wait for a kitchen baked variant to be released.
neidlinger said:
Typically any Official update will break #SU access and sometimes cause a serious headache in the process.
If you are rooted, do not apply the update. Just wait for a kitchen baked variant to be released.
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The ones in the radio thread stickied in the development section are ok to flash. They are setup properly for root. Bluetooth definitely got some attention in this update. Much more stable connection than before, not perfect, but much better and livable.
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What changes are included in this update? Any chance sense 3.0 is included?
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Typically any Official update will break #SU access and sometimes cause a serious headache in the process.
If you are rooted, do not apply the update. Just wait for a kitchen baked variant to be released.
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In the dev section there's a rooted version already out.
If I helped, give thanks, if you please.
........Death before dishonor........
Disregard this post, replied to the previous poster, then realized they were talking to someone else, sorry!
I just applied this update on my wife's phone that is stock 2.3.4...don't notice anything different so far, no sense 3.0 or anything.
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maybe fixes visual voicemail bug?
For about 6 weeks I've been having issues with the stock visual voicemail app force-closing every time I tried to use it. I tried going into the app's settings area and clearing its data, then re-enabling it in the caller app, all to no avail.
I just installed this update and it looks like my VVM is working again, so I'm hoping this was indeed a known issue and was fixed.
(FTR, I'm not sure that a factory reset before the update wouldn't have fixed the problem, but I didn't feel like re-installing all my apps so I let it go and just used the old-school voicemail number for a while.)
Is there anyway possible for me to get the update because i had s-off and then i wanted to unroot but i used gfree so i had to use gfree and ran into a crap load of problems leaving me right now with s-off and no root permissions . i need to get a new mytouch because this one randomly restarts and i cant send in one with s-off... can anyone help me out?
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HI all my Tmobile mytouch 4g just got a software update to 2.32.531.1 ,its is 24.22 MB .. This inclures new enhancement and importannt security update and wont be deleting any files inside as per the notice, download going on now.. will let u know more on this.
see attached image..
Cheers,
Renga
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If you can please post any other changes you noticed.. thanks.
Is there anything in this radio other than a new radio and new hboot?
I'm s-off via engineering bootloader, NOT gfree. Is it worth the trouble to use gfree so I can ruu and stay s-off, accept the update, then flash clockworkmod recovery via bootloader, then go back to cm7?
That's exactly what I did with the sensation.
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I haven't even gotten the 2.3 update yet, I'm still on 2.2, same with my brother.
steven-026 said:
I haven't even gotten the 2.3 update yet, I'm still on 2.2, same with my brother.
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You might be better off downloading the rom and doing it yourself.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1384438.
If not go to T-Mobile store and yell at them. Just kidding. Go to the store they might be helpful.
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Phateless said:
Is there anything in this radio other than a new radio and new hboot?
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http://www.tmonews.com/2011/12/mytouch-4g-software-update-begins-on-december-20th/
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jr_718 said:
You might be better off downloading the rom and doing it yourself.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1384438.
If not go to T-Mobile store and yell at them. Just kidding. Go to the store they might be helpful.
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I don't want to wipe my phone though, and I'm not even sure if I'll be able to fit the file on my sd card haha, too much music.
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I don't want to wipe my phone though, and I'm not even sure if I'll be able to fit the file on my sd card haha, too much music.
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Guess you can upgrade your sdcard.
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So my sister's getting an S2 Skyrocket, and unlocking it for T-Mobile. I want to root, but I also want the official Jelly Bean update. Do I just flash the leak? On the leak thread, it talks about radios. Do I need to worry about that? We don't have data, only text and voice. So what exactly do I need to flash? I don't know about kernels or radios.
Tell her to get a t989.
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hiterT keeps
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So my sister's getting an S2 Skyrocket, and unlocking it for T-Mobile. I want to root, but I also want the official Jelly Bean update. Do I just flash the leak? On the leak thread, it talks about radios. Do I need to worry about that? We don't have data, only text and voice. So what exactly do I need to flash? I don't know about kernels or radios.
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Since it's your sisters phone why do "you" want to root it and get an official update?
I bet she wouldn't notice any difference.
Since your sounding unsure on what to actually do, I wouldn't be messing with her phone, as you might end up having a brick. (and a mighty upset sister)
Personally let her get it unlocked and use it as is.
But if you must...Embryo 6.0 is out Get it here
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Since it's your sisters phone why do "you" want to root it and get an official update?
I bet she wouldn't notice any difference.
Since your sounding unsure on what to actually do, I wouldn't be messing with her phone, as you might end up having a brick. (and a mighty upset sister)
Personally let her get it unlocked and use it as is.
But if you must...Embryo 6.0 is out Get it here
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Tell her to get a t989.
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+1 on that.
I wouldn't try the leak since it seems to only work with skyrocket radios and a couple at that....
*system error* said:
+1 on that.
I wouldn't try the leak since it seems to only work with skyrocket radios and a couple at that....
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Thank you for the helpful answer. And with that the thread is closed.