So I wanted an inline audio option for my 2004 Isuzu Axiom. I hate FM modulators, especially due to how I love road trips, always running into some nosey radio station trying to annex my music. I don't have a tape player, so those nifty contraptions are out. And if you saw how Isuzu decided to combine a radio, a/c and onboard computer (of sorts) then you would understand how complicated it would be to simply replace the radio (hell, I would lose the ability to change through different suspension presets among other things). Yeah, it is possible, but is it worth it, meh.
Well, w/me joining Google music beta, I have finally decided to do something about it w/this purchase.
For those that don't know, the TranzIt offers a direct, inline connection to your stereo by hooking it up inline through the antenna in. It also adds a 5volt charging station via USB, which, if I understand correctly, is the correct voltage for charging mobile phones and such as opposed to the voltage used by car chargers.
I also got a 1 meter long micro USB cable at no charge due to some special.
Obviously, it's not connected just yet, but I should be able to install it this weekend. After which, I'll update this post w/install pics, a review of both installation and actual usage. Once I get home, I'll edit a link into this post, but again, I can't verify whether it's worth it yet.
So, here are some pics still in the box...
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ok thats a inline fm modulator with a usb charging port the modulator will cut off the antennas connection to the radio while on and you will still have to tune it to a certain frequency to use it. but that is deffinatly a better option then using the regular fm modulators.
Xargon321 said:
ok thats a inline fm modulator with a usb charging port the modulator will cut off the antennas connection to the radio while on and you will still have to tune it to a certain frequency to use it. but that is deffinatly a better option then using the regular fm modulators.
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Yeah, but the operative statement "will cut off the connection to the" antenna feed, is what makes me so happy. My options are limited, and if I want to keep the installation at least fairly simple, than that drops my options even more.
I plan on placing the USB and audio in ports in an unused and available spot on the radio itself (basically next to my sport suspension preset and winter TOD preset) they have a couple of other areas that look like they were meant for other options and could look stock. Then I want to mount the power switch to on the dash or maybe in the center console next to the CD changer. The cord is more than long enough and it would be less conspicuous. I want it to look as OEM as possible. And looking over the contents of the box, it shouldn't be difficult to make it look like it belongs. I've done much more complicated NOS switches.
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How much does this options run???
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I use the car charger to charge my G2x and I use the old tape player adapter for CD players and plug it in to the headphone port on the phone. Works awesome!
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I use the car charger to charge my G2x and I use the old tape player adapter for CD players and plug it in to the headphone port on the phone. Works awesome!
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Yeah, I LOVE those tape player adapters! The sound was great, but my stock radio doesn't have a cassette player. But you're right, that is an awesome combo.
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tidewaterns said:
I use the car charger to charge my G2x and I use the old tape player adapter for CD players and plug it in to the headphone port on the phone. Works awesome!
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That's my hook-up also. With PowerAmp, those Bose speakers in my Maxima are getting a work-out.
Well, it only took me almost 20 days, but today I decided to brave the 100+ degree heat and connect it up in my Axiom.
It turned out to be an easy set up, well, as far as connecting it up. I connected the power to the leads connecting to my cigarette lighter, although, when I go back in to place the connections in my console [or maybe in my ashtray, just some cuts to allow the wires] I think I'll directly connect it to the ignition.
Now for the review. F'N AWESOME! I'm running CM that comes preinstalled w/DSPManager, so I'm given a full gambit of audio options. Even w/o that, it still comes out crisp and works well w/my oem stereo and the options available through it.
It gives a 5 volt charge, which is the correct voltage as opposed to most car chargers that don't have the ability to drop down the voltage.
My only real issue is the fact the USB connection is for pwr only and I have to use a 3.5 audio connector to play the music. So I have 2 lines running from my phone to 2 separate jacks... I won't say it's a small issue either. I'm big on as few cables and as neat as possible, so this is a thorn in my side. I also understand though, that it's not as simple as just changing the wire or the USB port, so the possibility I'll ever find an aftermarket connector that offeres all in one isn't going to happen.
Overall, considering how much simpler this is than getting a new stereo, then customizing my console [the Axiom combines the A/C controls, GPS, damn near everything into the head unit] this was a much better option for me and I'm glad I got it.
best bet would be to hook into the accessory wire on your ignition. that way it only runs when your car is on.
is the cig lighter powered all the time? if it is you can hook a relay in between the cig lighter and car kit and use the accessory wire as a signal wire to tell the relay to turn on the power.
Xargon321 said:
best bet would be to hook into the accessory wire on your ignition. that way it only runs when your car is on.
is the cig lighter powered all the time? if it is you can hook a relay in between the cig lighter and car kit and use the accessory wire as a signal wire to tell the relay to turn on the power.
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Yeah, that's the plan, the ignition at least. The only reason I connected it through my cig lighter was to get it done fast. I don't have the USB or audio port set where I want it either. I wanted an idea on how I liked it prior to putting any real time into it, especially cutting for the ports.
Several days into it now and I love it more than before. Decided I'm going to modify my ashtray to house the ports and the power switch. That way it'll stay incognito for the most part [since the available pop out tabs on the head unit aren't large enough to house the USB port for a more OEM look] and the light that activates at night, when opened, will be great as far as not fumbling around for the connections. Won't be this weekend, but once I get some time, I'm finishing this project up, my interior looks GHE-TTO and I don't like it.
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I agree that having an aux jack on the Nexus One car dock would be pretty sweet, but it is what it is, and I wanted to move on... Here is what I did:
Nexus One (duh)
Nexus One car dock (...)
Kensington LiquidAuxbluetooth car kit: us.kensington.com/html/14484.html
Micro USB cable
Plug the Kensington L.A. into the accessory outlet, and connect the audio output plug to your AUX on your stereo. The L.A. provides a USB port to use for the Micro USB cable. (for charging)
Plug the micro USB cable in this port and route to your car dock.
Once you pair your phone with the L.A. place it in the car dock and setup the audio to be whatever combination you would like. I personally use the dock for calls (because the mic is better) and the L.A. for audio.
One accessory outlet, (no splitters) one wire coming from it to the dock, audio routed through the AUX in your stereo, and (IMO) really great call audio thanks to the dock and noise canceling, which still works with the phone in the dock...
Just sharing my experience, YMMV, IANAL, OMG, WTF, BBQ...
Pics - Add http to them to view (I can't post links yet apparently...)
yfrog.com/2r20100415073238j -LiquidAUX Device
yfrog.com/1420100415073316j - Plugged into AUX and has Micro USB connected.
yfrog.com/2m20100415073324j - Cable Routing 1
yfrog.com/j120100415073338j - Cable Routing 2
yfrog.com/4720100415073414j - Wheel wireless remote, media functions work, I couldn't get phone button to do anything, but that may be a settings thing.
yfrog.com/0b20100415073331j - Dock on the windscreen, the stock MicroUSB cable that comes with the phone is pretty 'stiff' and stays in place very well.
Pics please...
Awesome Find.
30 bucks with free shipping on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-LiquidAUX-Bluetooth-Remote-Phones/dp/B0011UIX2K
I'm about to order mine
+ 1. That looks like a really good solution. Another benefit you did not mention is that by powering the Car Dock with the Micro USB cable, you do away with the spiral lead that is on the Car Dock power supply. So easier to route and hide.
Any issues with charging the phone and powering the car dock? Isn't the car doc charger higher output than regular chargers and perhaps the one on the LiquidAux?
how's the music sound quality?
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+ 1. That looks like a really good solution. Another benefit you did not mention is that by powering the Car Dock with the Micro USB cable, you do away with the spiral lead that is on the Car Dock power supply. So easier to route and hide.
Any issues with charging the phone and powering the car dock? Isn't the car doc charger higher output than regular chargers and perhaps the one on the LiquidAux?
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No issues I have noticed so far, there is no additional <warmth> on the LiquidAux I have been able to detect, and the phone charges just as quickly as it would when plugged in using OEM adapter. And yes, losing the spiral lead is a nice bonus...
yellowy0y0 said:
how's the music sound quality?
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Sound quality for me is great, there is no interruptions, etc I have noticed. But I suspect that this would be a YMMV kind of thing based on the car stereo used and the distance / path (if that even matters with the relatively short distance) between the LiquidAux device and the phone...
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I added some pics above (imageshack) but couldn't post links (yet) so just add the http part and you can see them...
um, do you realize you can still use the headphone jack when the phone is plugged into the dock?
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=178184
MonkySlap said:
um, do you realize you can still use the headphone jack when the phone is plugged into the dock?
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=178184
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Why yes, but some people in this particular forum were voicing their displeasure of having a mass of wires dangling all over their car / phone etc...
I was offering an alternative, and it worked well for me, nobody said or implied that you need to do it too...
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How long is that cable(the 3.5mm one from the liquid aux). Looks pretty short..
tokyomonster said:
How long is that cable(the 3.5mm one from the liquid aux). Looks pretty short..
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It is in fact short (4") while this works fine for my use, YMMV...
Interesting solution, I like it
Here are clickable links for the lazy
http://yfrog.com/2r20100415073238j -LiquidAUX Device
http://yfrog.com/1420100415073316j - Plugged into AUX and has Micro USB connected.
http://yfrog.com/2m20100415073324j - Cable Routing 1
http://yfrog.com/j120100415073338j - Cable Routing 2
http://yfrog.com/4720100415073414j - Wheel wireless remote, media functions work, I couldn't get phone button to do anything, but that may be a settings thing.
http://yfrog.com/0b20100415073331j - Dock on the windscreen, the stock MicroUSB cable that comes with the phone is pretty 'stiff' and stays in place very well.
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It is in fact short (4") while this works fine for my use, YMMV...
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Hmm. I guess, worst case scenario, I can just buy a short extender.
Another question for you... Does the remote work with the phone? I'm waiting for mine to get here but I had read from many reviews that the control did not work properly with the iphone, just wondering if the nexus one had the same problem.
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awesome writeup... Even if this thing doesn't work to pickup calls I don't care, I always have a bluetooth headset for the car anyhow. I think I'll get an extra socket and mount it all under the dash out of sight.
Even thought you can plug in a wire to the headphone jack I want a solution where I can stick the phone in the holder when I get in, and pull it right out without messing with cables every fricken time... Most the time I don't plug my phone in right now just because of that very reason.
With a nice setup like this I'd plug my phone in every time I get in the car... awesome, Thanks!
Just ordered mine off amazon.. seems like a great price for the product.
Nevermind, reread your first post, missed the info I wanted the first read through. Well, since I'm stuck with this post existing, may as well clarify, you said you can choose to have the phone calls go through the dock with this, right?
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It is in fact short (4") while this works fine for my use, YMMV...
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4 inches, is that all you've got? - that is short
I think perhaps you meant 4' or four feet.
yellowy0y0 said:
Another question for you... Does the remote work with the phone? I'm waiting for mine to get here but I had read from many reviews that the control did not work properly with the iphone, just wondering if the nexus one had the same problem.
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The media functions work fantastic with the Nexus, the iPhone does not support track skip, where the Nexus does. I have not been able to get the phone button to start voice dialing like the iPhone does. I have not actually had a call while driving to pickup yet, so I can't say for certain whether that (pickup incoming) works or not...
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Nevermind, reread your first post, missed the info I wanted the first read through. Well, since I'm stuck with this post existing, may as well clarify, you said you can choose to have the phone calls go through the dock with this, right?
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I have call audio go through the dock, yes. The LiquidAux has a microphone, but it is quite far away from the the speaker's mouth IMO. Additionally, the dock still uses the extra Michael for active noise cancelling and is quite crisp and clear for calls. (I have so far made several outbound calls with great results.) The music pauses, audio routes up to the dock for the duration of the call, then the music resumed on the car speakers automatically...
What tablet do I get?
I was wondering if anyone had any good suggestions for a tablet to install into my dash. The Archos 5 IMT looks like it has almost everything I want, but I would really like a 7".
It needs:
Built-in GPS (or enough ports for a dongle, and support for a dongle. I don't want bluetooth, because I don't want to have to worry about it losing power)
FM receiver (I know there are internet radio apps, but I want to be able to use this offline.. if it's possible)
Capacitive screen (Cause I want it) with a wide viewing angle.
I don't care much about which version of Android it has, it will pretty much just be used for GPS and Music/video.
As a side note, I'm still doing research, but if anyone knows how to, or knows where there's a tutorial, I need to figure out how to hook the tablet to the speakers. I don't really want to have to use a head unit, though that would be the easy way. There must be some kind of small device I can use that has a volume knob and maybe fade/balance controls that I can install anywhere in the truck.
Thanks for reading!
I have installed the archos 5IT in my dash and love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kUsui3-5Y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nN-8Hrf0sM
Its not capacitive but it does not suffer from the glare that the glass screens have. As far as touch sensitivity its pretty acurate for a resistive device.
I dont have the gps signal issues most have as i have the flash version and not the hard drive based ones as most say the hdd must be blocking the gps. I paid for the one time map fee from Ndrive but also tether to my phone and use google maps as well.
I have over 100 youtube music video's in mp4 format ripped to the device and use those as my music and have it set to random play and it goes from one file to the next without having to select a new video once one is over.
Thanks!
Some good input there. I'll have to keep that in mind. I just really think a 7" would look a lot better. Especially in my F150 XLT. Seems like the 5" would look dinky, and I have room for a 7".
If archos put the 5's guts into the 7 form factor, I'd buy 2 right now. Rly.
Also, for anyone who stumbled on this, I think it won't be too hard to set this up without using a head unit. (I could be wrong on some of the technical info, but I think I have the right idea here.) Your amplifier has a 'plug' with like 20 wires attached coming out. Normally, your radio has a plug that fits this plug. You plug it in, and now the radio's attached to the amp, which is attached to the speakers. Good to go. So you buy a new plug (called a wire harness), one that fits your amplifier (assuming stock amplifier, I will just look up 2000 F150 wire harness on amazon, and that's it), and wire up your tablet to it instead of your radio.
The wire harness puts out a 12v (ignition on) wire. You can adapt this to a USB and use that to charge the device. Set it to display/wifi/gps/all other battery draining crap off while not charging. When you turn the car on, it's now "Charging" and everything will turn off. I think it should be able to 'sleep' for a few days, so it should be 'always on' as far as you can tell.
The harness also has a wire for each of the 4 speakers, maybe subwoofers too, I forget now. I'm sure someone makes a product that controls these easily, I'm going to have to go to a local car audio shop, and ask some questions. Hopefully I can put the audio out from the tablet into the audio in of this unknown device. Then I should be able to wire the unknown device to the wiring harness. If I can't find something, I think I'll just make my own circuit, 3 Pots for volume, fade and balance, some resistors or something.. we'll see if I can't just buy something. The rest of the EQ can be done on the tablet.
(If I do make my own, I want to use a slide-style pot for volume instead of a rotating one. I think that'd be the nuts.)
Wiring harness: Ignition on wire adapted to USB. Speaker wires wired to volume/fade/bal device.
Tablet: plug in USB, and connect audio out to volume/fade/bal device.
Easy cheesy.
I'll be updating.
This thing is starting to look like it'll be really easy to do.
I can't get started 'til I find my tablet though. I would love to hear some more ideas! THANKS!
they updated the 7" home with newer hardware but it does not have gps. I would look into the upcoming wifi only samsung galaxy tab and see if it will have gps.
your on the right track with the audio wiring however you would better off getting a cheap 4ch amp to do it as you need power to pump the speakers the way you are talking about wiring it up would basically have the android device trying to power door speakers from the headphone output amp. If you got a cheap 4 ch amp and wired it through the stock vehicle harness you would have all the hookups u need just get the headphone to rca cable and a set of splitters to power all 4 channels of the amp volume could be controlled from the android device. If the amp had external volume remote or if you wired one inline with the headphone output you could have better volume control however the turning on and off of the amp might send a pop to the speakers as the amp would always be turned up.
Hmm
I was under the impression that my vehicle came with a stock amp. Everything's stock (as far as I know, got it used and haven't tinkered with it yet.)
Just trying to understand better, as I have never dealt with car stereos before.
So my stereo was supplying power to the speakers before? There's not an amp in my truck right now between the stereo and the speakers?
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I'm almost thinking of getting something really cheap, as I plan on permanently mounting it in the dash. Something Chinese maybe?
I'm sure the Galaxy Tab would work really well, but it's a bit expensive for a GPS/radio/computer.. now that I'm typing this out, that's a ****ing deal! Maybe I will get something nice to pop in there.
I found a tutorial online for making the 12v ignition into 2 USBs, so I am now considering a usb-powered bluetooth gps. Too bad it adds $50 to the cost.
Alright
Nope, no amp in the F-150 standard. It's in the head unit. So I will need to get an amp.
I figure I can move this whole system to my next car (Plan on getting a new truck in 3-4 years.. or sooner if this one decides to go on me), so the amp is an investment.
Truck has 4 speakers stock (no subwoofers)
I will hook those 4 speakers to the amp I buy. (I'll have to look up how to install an amp now.. geesh.)
I will put the audio out from my tablet into the amp.
Now I have to figure out how the 12v ignition on is gonna work, since I'm now going through a new amp. I found a tutorial on instructables titled "12v to USB adapter \ 12v to 5v transformer (great for cars)" I'm not allowed to post links yet, but I'm sure you can find it if you want it.
Yeah the amp any small 4ch or 2ch if you dont care about front rear fade will work..
As far as hooking up an amp they are pretty easy just need to run your own main power wire for the 12v constant for the amp. 8-10 gage should be fine for 400-600w 2 or 4 ch amp to power door speakers....
then use your red ignition wire from the harness u get to power the remote to the amp so its only on with the ignition. Extent the speaker wires to reach your amp you can mount under the passenger side dash or behind the center consol as trucks have plenty of room under there.
the wires from the harness you get to plug into your factory radio harness are easy to figure out as the colors have been standard for a while. Black is ground but you will need your own closest to the amp as possible any bare metal spot you can find that has a bolt to the frame or under dash should suffice. The black from the harness will power the usb fine. Yellow is constant + (always on) if you want the usb to always have power if not use the red as its only on with the ignition it will have enogh amps to power the remote for the amp and charge/power the tablet. green and purple are rear speakers, white/gray are front speakers. the remaining wire colors depend on the vehicle if they have them like blue is for power antenna or factory amp turn on. orange is to dim an after market head unit display when the head lights are on.
I was in best buy a few weeks ago and saw the archos 7 home tablet for $129 almost got one just because of the deal but dont need it as the 5it i have is fine and has the built in gps. but if using an external bluetooth gps is the route you go the 7 should be great. You will just need to find your own gps app or use google maps and have to terher to something like a smart phone for data.
http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_7/specs.html?country=us&lang=en
they show the gps icon on the home screen however it does not have built in gps. there are a ton of gps solutions you can side load or get from android market.
Damn...
Was just about to order the 7 home. Such a good deal.
No bluetooth...
The search continues.
i was searching ebay for something 7" that had gps or bluetooth and nothing cheap cought my eye so i took the 7" tag out and added 2.2 for froyo and gps...
I came up with this. http://goo.gl/hyNtC
All you would need to look like the soundman from youtube with his f150 ipad 2 install.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jr3_zLHTbY
May have found a contender.
a 10 inch would be nice, but I don't know how to do fiberglass, and for my first car mod, I'd prefer to keep it simple. a 7-inch should just fit in my double din.
Found this little gem.
http://www.dinodirect.com/tablet-pc...camera-android.html?ddse= gps&utm_source= gps
Gonna look at it more when I get home, will probably buy it. Only thing that's funky about it is that it charges with AC. We'll see...
A software to be written to tell it to go to sleep immediately when "ac" power is removed would be nice, also, that app to tell music/radio to resume on "wake" would be nice.
That way it plays the true car infotainment roll.
A device with USB host would almost be required before I dig into android platform for my infotainment system.
I have a custom built net-top based system built in my truck using a 7" touch screen, automatic power supply from mini-box.com, and a USB controller connected to my steering wheel control buttons. USB host is a must for me!
Sounds like a good setup. Honestly i'm fine with the stock radio in my truck, but I like to tinker.
Still haven't found the right device. I'm buying an Arnova 8 when they switch to the new model, and I'll give that a test fit.. see how it goes.
My plan is to set the device to have the display always on when plugged in. It's in settings or something. If it's wired to the ignition, should work right? We'll see.
I think if I get juice defender and set it to aggressive (no gps, no wifi, no bluetooth, no anything), it should stay on for a while in standby.
Well...
Seems like Android Tablets haven't matured enough for my project. I don't see a cheap 7" capacitive tablet with GPS coming out anytime soon. I'm going to go ahead and get a stereo with rear usb and aux ports, and make a mount for my phone. Should be fun. I'll make a new post with pictures and instructions, and link it here.
Oh well...
My 2 cents...
I've been looking to do the same thing. I've been digging around for a good table and this is the best I've got. Specs wise, it fits the bill. But I can't find any good reviews.
http://hotmid.com/wits-a81h-tablet-cortex-a8-7-capacitive-touchscreen-android-2-3-gps-wifi.html
Just in case that link doesn't work...
http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=483
The big thing I'm looking for is a parts list. Amp, harnesses, etc. And a how-to would be the coolest as far as basic wiring for power and sound.
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I recommend the Asus eee pad transformer. 98percent the same as motorola xoom and lighter
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concept after-market product
What appears to be lacking in the market currently is a ready-to-use 2DIN or double-din head unit that is basically a permanent in-dash universal docking system such that you can simply pop in a 5 or 7 inch tablet (or adaptable for say a minimum 4 inch or greater smartphone?) with the head unit's rear interface designed for plugging into the car's power, sound system, and steering wheel controls just like an aftermarket care stereo. Sorta like the currently available units that utilize removable electronic faceplates-- except here the tablet or smartphone itself is the "removable faceplate".
Spepper, I have seen one on Ebay. Looks a bit dodgy but might be good:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ES666MO-...153004?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item336b841f6c
ES666MO Car DVD/GPS/ANDROIT TABLET
http://ca-fi.com/en/ it's not a removable tablet, but it's an all-in-one Android-powered double-din radio, looks awesome, but it comes at a price because it has all the hardware built-in
stevey500 said:
A software to be written to tell it to go to sleep immediately when "ac" power is removed would be nice, also, that app to tell music/radio to resume on "wake" would be nice.
That way it plays the true car infotainment roll.
A device with USB host would almost be required before I dig into android platform for my infotainment system.
I have a custom built net-top based system built in my truck using a 7" touch screen, automatic power supply from mini-box.com, and a USB controller connected to my steering wheel control buttons. USB host is a must for me!
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The wake-up is covered using plug in launcher from the market.
I am checking if it can be used for the sleep portion.
Is there any benefits of the car mount specially designed for the infuse???
Also do get better gps accuracy with it?
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Yes, the OEM car mount has a special GPS chip in it that allows for more accurate and faster locks......... oh wait.
In all seriousness, the benefits:
-GREAT build quality. You won't understand until it's in your hands.
-Samsung car dock app. Once you figure out how to navigate it, it's worth the download.
-Pair the dock with the scosche car charger and you'll actually be able to use Nav and other features on the phone and still keep your battery topped off. (Thanks Entropy)
-Mount it anywhere with the included plastic disk. (Adheres to any surface)
Thanks this really help
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Is it adjustable in any way? Will it work with any types of cases? How about a simple skin like Zagg or Bodyguardz?
Because the phone is a large phone, the dock is also fairly large in comparison to other docks I've used.
It is fairly adjustable, but it is only plastic so it does have it's limitations.
I don't believe you'll be able to use any cases with it unmodified, as it's a pretty tight fit. I have a case for my phone that I just remove when I put it into the dock.
antuus said:
Yes, the OEM car mount has a special GPS chip in it that allows for more accurate and faster locks......... oh wait.
In all seriousness, the benefits:
-GREAT build quality. You won't understand until it's in your hands.
-Samsung car dock app. Once you figure out how to navigate it, it's worth the download.
-Pair the dock with the scosche car charger and you'll actually be able to use Nav and other features on the phone and still keep your battery topped off. (Thanks Entropy)
-Mount it anywhere with the included plastic disk. (Adheres to any surface)
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There's a possibility that even with a high-current charger, any of the kernels in use might still allow battery drop when combined with nav.
I really need to do some nav testing with one of my non-charginghacks kernels.
However - I love my car dock! It doesn't affect GPS reception, it's fully passive in that regard, but it's still great. My only complaints are that only the stock media app gets routed to the external audio, and outgoing calls only ring on speaker, not on a BT headset. I'm pretty sure these are fixable.
I'm debating picking this up with my FAN discount over my lunch-break. I'd deeply appreciate a response to my question/concern about BT usage. In regard to the following snippet from Entropy -
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My only complaints are that only the stock media app gets routed to the external audio, and outgoing calls only ring on speaker, not on a BT headset. I'm pretty sure these are fixable.
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- my Questions are: Will it impact my usage (I use BT streaming for audio and BT for all incoming/outgoing calls. Works seamlessly as is, but I need a holder of some sort, AND I need to get around the nav-sucks-battery-dry-with-USB-cable-charger-connected issue!
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Would I be better served with a generic phone holder, and a Samsung USB data/charge cable (on order) and a D1-D2 shorted USB adapter (my $1 Woot Belkin isn't, apparently - I understand the Amazon Scosche is and the Griffin dual-USB can be modded easily)
Is there a cheap AC-USB charger that works? My car has a very accessibly AC outlet, and only one cigarette lighter outlet!
TIA!
(ps: no mods/roots/other kernels for me for NOW! Sticking with stock.)
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I'm debating picking this up with my FAN discount over my lunch-break. I'd deeply appreciate a response to my question/concern about BT usage. In regard to the following snippet from Entropy -
- my Questions are: Will it impact my usage (I use BT streaming for audio and BT for all incoming/outgoing calls. Works seamlessly as is, but I need a holder of some sort, AND I need to get around the nav-sucks-battery-dry-with-USB-cable-charger-connected issue!
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Would I be better served with a generic phone holder, and a Samsung USB data/charge cable (on order) and a D1-D2 shorted USB adapter (my $1 Woot Belkin isn't, apparently - I understand the Amazon Scosche is and the Griffin dual-USB can be modded easily)
Is there a cheap AC-USB charger that works? My car has a very accessibly AC outlet, and only one cigarette lighter outlet!
TIA!
(ps: no mods/roots/other kernels for me for NOW! Sticking with stock.)
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I really haven't played with Bluetooth much at all, and I haven't ever tried A2DP streaming.
As to charging, there is no difference between the dock and a D1/D2 short adapter, other than the fact that it'll take the phone about 10-20 seconds (i.e. when the battery polling interval is up) to detect charge input after mounting on the dock. There's stuff in the kernel that delays Vin checking for a period of time after any dock is detected. If you insert into the dock and then turn on the car, voltage is detected instantly. The reason for this is that the phone sees the resistor on the ID pin and uses this to detect a dock/charger, instead of D1/D2 shorting. In fact D1/D2 become L/R audio out when docked and the D1/D2 pins of the charger cable are completely ignored (they're not connected to anything, since D1/D2 of the phone go to the 3.5mm audio jack.)
Unfortunately, after further investigation, even with a high-current charger you are at risk of battery drain with navigation. This isn't a flaw with the dock itself, it's a flaw with the phone's charge circuitry design. CPU/screen usage seems to be counted against the charge current limit. It's just that the most likely usage scenario for exceeding 600 mA of usage is when the phone is docked - navigation with screen at max brightness. I'm not sure if there is any way around this problem without at least root.
Options are:
1) Bump up the charge current limit. I still haven't released this due to wanting to do more research. Don't want to fry people's batteries.
2) Limit CPU speed to 800 MHz when navigating... Nav works fine with the CPU throttled, heck my last device was a 528 MHz MSM7200 and it was fast enough for Nav. Some people have indicated this alone was enough to get them under the 600 mA limit. I think root is required for this. I'm not sure if there's a way to do it w/o root.
3) Combine 2) with an undervolt kernel.
I'm probably going to email some people at Samsung with my charging observations this weekend.
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2) Limit CPU speed to 800 MHz when navigating... Nav works fine with the CPU throttled, heck my last device was a 528 MHz MSM7200 and it was fast enough for Nav. Some people have indicated this alone was enough to get them under the 600 mA limit. I think root is required for this. I'm not sure if there's a way to do it w/o root.
3) Combine 2) with an undervolt kernel.
I'm probably going to email some people at Samsung with my charging observations this weekend.
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THIS!
Thanks, first of all!
And as a nokia user, I continue to be amazed what old Nokia's could (and still) do with lower MHz until the ultra-inefficient VM-within-VM Java (ick) Android OS came out and begged for more power (GHz and WH!)
Oh well, off that soapbox now - but I already miss my nice Nokia 6650 (200MHz, 20MB ram and seamless Ovi Maps with voice navigation and satellite imagery and traffic). Sigh.
But the screen on the Samsung Infuse beckons, and so does it's charger. I think I'll hold off on a dock purchase for now!
I just got back from vacation and used nav, 80% brightness, music player and kept 100% battery with the adapter you recommended.
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I just got back from vacation and used nav, 80% brightness, music player and kept 100% battery with the adapter you recommended.
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Did you keep an eye on the temperature of your phone? I just went on a one hope drive to chumash casino and had navigation with music playing and my phone was at 128 degrees
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Did you keep an eye on the temperature of your phone? I just went on a one hope drive to chumash casino and had navigation with music playing and my phone was at 128 degrees
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That isn't THAT hot for electronics. Especially if the sun was shining on the phone/dock. It'll probably come close to that even when fully powered off since it's black.
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That isn't THAT hot for electronics. Especially if the sun was shining on the phone/dock. It'll probably come close to that even when fully powered off since it's black.
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Ah ok thanks for the info I was like wtf... Was about to stop at the market to get some eggs so I could fry a few on my phone.
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Ah ok thanks for the info I was like wtf... Was about to stop at the market to get some eggs so I could fry a few on my phone.
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Actually, I just realized... 128F or 128C?
128F isn't that hot. 128C should've tripped a bunch of battery health alarms and probably would've crashed your phone.
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If you use the car dock, any high-current charger (like iPad chargers) will work with the Infuse.
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Also, if the CPU is running and the screen is on, CPU and screen usage count against the phone's charge current limit, so will significantly reduce charge rate. (Samsung noobed that one...)
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Unfortunately, after further investigation, even with a high-current charger you are at risk of battery drain with navigation. This isn't a flaw with the dock itself, it's a flaw with the phone's charge circuitry design. CPU/screen usage seems to be counted against the charge current limit. It's just that the most likely usage scenario for exceeding 600 mA of usage is when the phone is docked - navigation with screen at max brightness.
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I'm probably going to email some people at Samsung with my charging observations this weekend.
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I can reconfirm the inadequacy of the charging logic - (just for another datapoint - Entropy's comments are gold here!) ...
With Waze or Google Maps/Navigation running, background music streaming (Pandora etc) OR a phone call underway (50/50) and a relatively high brightness setting the whole time (65% this morning - it was SUNNY!) my setup *LOST* charge on my 50+ mile drive (from 78% to 73% or so). All sound over Bluetooth the whole way. WiFi off, GPS (duh) on.
My Setup: Cheap Woot!ed Belkin 9V-USB 1A adapter with an Amazon-sourced Samsung original data/charge cable and the Samsung car dock.
Workable - at this rate it would lose ALL charge AFTER my rather substantial gas (diesel!) tank is empty.
BUT the new kernel or a charging fix would be great because then I don't have to remember to enter the car with a fully charged phone, or conversely, worry that I may leave, and thn run out, since charge was depleted en route!
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Indeed, I answered my own question/concern here, so making a small contribution ...
I was impatient and picked up the dock and tested it on a long drive this morning.
I did NOT install Samsung's car dock software.
BT works great for A2DP streaming while the phone is in the dock. I don't care for or use the headphone out on the dock itself. Haven't tested it.
As soon as a call is made or received, sound starts to come out of the Infuse' speaker (presumably because I don't have anything plugged into the dock's headphone jack!). My car display shows the call in progress, but says it is set to 'Private' and gives me the option to go Handsfree. One flick of a steering wheel button, and all is well - sound resumes from the car speakers, and the car mike is reactivated.
TODO: Start music streaming via Bluetooth A2DP, make or receive a call and finish conversation over speakerphone (without switching to car BT), and then wait to see whether BT streaming resumes, or whether it continues to stream and playback over the phone's speaker.
I'm liking the dock a lot, so far. Not super strong, but nice-looking, seems like it'll serve my needs (as long as I don't break it!)
I wish I had picked it up with the 25% off email for accessories, but it isn't TOO pricey. And I did get the Infuse for 49, so ...
If you use SetCPU to limit CPU to 800 MHz when on AC you might be able to maintain charge. Someone else had success with that.
It's also apparently possible in theory to use a program called "Tasker" to implement application-dependent CPU profiles, such as drop to 800 when running Nav.
Once we get GB up and running and stable I'll work on stepcharging, it'll be a LOT easier in the GB kernels and safer than my current setup (straight charge current boost to 800 mA)
tasker is a nice app, but it is a pay app so it's not for everyone. i use it to set my phone to speakerphone when turned down on it's face and other things. i never tried the underclock with it, it i know you can run scripts with it so sure if you have an oc/uv kernel it is certainly posible, i have to check if there is actually a underclock feature in tasker for stock kernel users.
underclocking did help me yesterday, the phone is plenty fast at 800mhz and i was able to navigate with google and stream pandora the whole way home starting with a dead phone (i had to plug it into the dock just to turn it on)
i dont use samsungs car app, the normal home screen is just fine and tasker can setup your bluetooth for you when triggered by the dock if i remember right. you can use xcaliburinhands "galaxy dock sound redirector" if you dont use bt and want to use audio out from the dock.
in theory you can use an alternate home screen app for the dock setup with destop visualizer for larger shortcut buttons and use tasker to launch that for a completely custom car mode.
I am on MIUI rom, and just now I got the car mount. As mentioned, i cannot listen to music through the audio out port. Is this fixed? if so what I have to do? I dont have a BT in my car, so i cannot use bluetooth. Thanks in advacne
the dock is great if you like the car/home app. I have one, i use it on trips. The only con is that you have to take your phone out of the case to snap it in the dock.
The price has dropped to $17.99 on the AT&T website. Looks like they are clearing out inventory.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...308&q_manufacturer=&q_model=#fbid=-st5kJltpIp
I'm gonna head to my retail AT&T store and see if it's same price. I'll confirm later today.
I need more volume from my phones bluetooth music streaming so I can hear it in my car. My new car is much noiser and using a samsung hs3000 to the aux , songs on the phone are only about 50% as loud as cd's or the xm radio from the car reciever.
I've tried modding the phone with several ICS roms and JB mods and had some success with 4.04 and kingbeatz, but not enough.
I'm currently running pac rom with kingbeats and volume + but that only effects the headphone jack. It sounds fantastic though.
Anyone have a bluetooth receiver suggestion? I can't find output specs on any of them.
I'm using the GROM-USB2 + the BT thing from grom audio.
But I have to ask, why do you need one if your stereo already has an AUX entry? Just plug directly your phone to the AUX.
My car's aux connection is located in a compartment where you rest your arm in between the seats, not on the front of the radio's head unit. You can't close the compartment if you have the wire coming out and its not conveniently placed. Bluetooth takes care of that.
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My car's aux connection is located in a compartment where you rest your arm in between the seats, not on the front of the radio's head unit. You can't close the compartment if you have the wire coming out and its not conveniently placed. Bluetooth takes care of that.
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Sounds like a diy mod is in order lol.
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Sounds like a diy mod is in order lol.
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Yep. A drill, some cable and some time. Without knowing the layout of the car it's hard to tell if that's long enough. Or better yet a new deck. lol
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Yep. A drill, some cable and some time. Without knowing the layout of the car it's hard to tell if that's long enough. Or better yet a new deck. lol
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I was thinking split or reroute the adapter and put it towards the front
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I was thinking split or reroute the adapter and put it towards the front
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Splitting it would most likely require more time and patience than the average audiophile is will to commit. Rerouting is easy enough as long as your OK with taking the in and tracing it back. If it's another 3.5 male at the deck then just unplug and replug. If the out is hardwired you are still going to have a lot of teardown to get the in released. That just leaves a hole that is pretty obvious to any potential owner in the future. With a male to male cable and a drill you can put it anywhere you want with minimal fuss. All the original components are left intact except for a 1/4" hole or two.
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Splitting it would most likely require more time and patience than the average audiophile is will to commit. Rerouting is easy enough as long as your OK with taking the in and tracing it back. If it's another 3.5 male at the deck then just unplug and replug. If the out is hardwired you are still going to have a lot of teardown to get the in released. That just leaves a hole that is pretty obvious to any potential owner in the future. With a male to male cable and a drill you can put it anywhere you want with minimal fuss. All the original components are left intact except for a 1/4" hole or two.
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I'm not known for halfway on my car audio. I'm good at creative solutions and love a good teardown install lol. I tinker with everything I can get my hands on.
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I appreciate the suggestions but that leaves me having to plug in when I get into the car. I'd rather stick with blue tooth. I just tested it and my Bluetooth is about half the volume of a direct connect. There has to be an adapter that is better then what I have.. The car is a 2011 Camaro with the stock radio.
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Yeah a better amp.
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The car is a 2011 Camaro with the stock radio.
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Lift up a little on the right foot...
But seriously, if you don't have Bluetooth built into the radio, in my experience, you will have a bad time.
Bluetooth volume issue solved.
I was able to solve my problem with fiio E11 portable headphone amp. No buzz and it actually warms up the sound I am getting from my phone with the built in amp and EQ settings.
The only downside is can't change while being in use and my car's cigarette ports turn off with the car, so I can't listen and charge while driving. I'm looking for battery pack to keep in the car to remedy that so I don't have constantly take it out of the car.
Does anyone have a recommendation of a bluetooth audio receiver that would plug into my car's aux input? I looked at a few on Amazon, and none of them are fantastically reviewed. I like the idea of not having to plug in an audio cable.
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Does anyone have a recommendation of a bluetooth audio receiver that would plug into my car's aux input? I looked at a few on Amazon, and none of them are fantastically reviewed. I like the idea of not having to plug in an audio cable.
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i was in the same boat until i came across this and went ahead and pledged
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/119477083/vertus-same-bluetooth-audio-on-two-different-speak
I have this Smart mini Aux and I am not impressed with it: http://amzn.com/B008FQW5ZY
-I had to dremel it a bit to make it fit into my radio's recessed aux jack.
-It takes several button presses to get it to connect every time I want to use it in my car
-As hands free phone, quality is hit and miss
-It has a non-standard power connection (3.5mm to USB?!?!)
Based on the Amazon reviews, this Belkin is a better choice: http://amzn.com/B004CLYJ2I
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i was in the same boat until i came across this and went ahead and pledged
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/119477083/vertus-same-bluetooth-audio-on-two-different-speak
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That's kinda cool. When you get it, report back on the audio quality, please.
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Does anyone have a recommendation of a bluetooth audio receiver that would plug into my car's aux input? I looked at a few on Amazon, and none of them are fantastically reviewed. I like the idea of not having to plug in an audio cable.
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If you can afford $50 then I recommend the Rocketfish bluetooth receiver.
Why? Because it's "APT-X" compatible which means your audio won't be severely compressed like normal bluetooth does. So the highs will be crystal sparkly and the lows will be harder hitting.
Note... you'll have to splice the AC power cord into a USB connector so you can power the device using a USB charger. Easy peasy.
Here it is:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketf...e&utm_source=AskAndAnswer&utm_content=Default
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Note... you'll have to splice the AC power cord into a USB connector so you can power the device using a USB charger. Easy peasy.
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Easy peasy? Maybe for you. I don't think I've ever spliced anything.
I use this in my car: [edit - can't post links yet] Search Amazon for "HomeSpot NFC-enabled Bluetooth Audio Receiver for Sound System"
Bluetooth is a great convenience, minus the whole pairing part (especially if you use multiple bluetooth devices/receievers like me). The solution? NFC pairing. Tap your GS4 to the top the first time, it will ask if you want to pair, click yes. Everytime thereafter, no user intervention is required, just unlock phone and touch the top of the receiver. Paired.
Sound quality is sufficient for me, I don't notice much difference in it between my other BT devices, and it's priced lower then most other BT receivers that don't even have NFC pairing ($28), although you will need to supply your own cigarette lighter to usb power adapter.
I like it so much I bought 3 of them.
I use the Blackberry ones -- the older version was called "Blackberry Stereo Gateway", and the new model is called "Blackberry Music Gateway". Both work perfectly for car use -- they turn on when the car turns on, and they automatically pair up with my Motorola Photon 4G.
Many car radios have inputs for phone/navigation systems. The main benefit when using that input is that the radio automatically switch to that input when you are making- or receiving a call. I am using a Blaupunkt bluetooth kit myself, but I would probably get a kit from Parrot if I were to buy one today. Preinstalled car radios are usually both difficult and expensive to upgrade with a bluetooth system, but if you are able to program the head-unit and get a second hand bluetooth kit at eBay it "might" be an affordable solution. A troublesome bluetooth system, like most cheap kits probably ends up with, is probably less convenient than just using an earpiece when driving.
If you're just looking to stream music via bluetooth, then a bluetooth audio dongle will work. I bought this and it works great for over a year. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3...luetooth_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item589b9646aa 3-4 hours per charge. You can also use it while it's charging.
I've been using the Belkin for almost a year now with the S3 and now the S4 and pretty happy with it.
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I have this Smart mini Aux and I am not impressed with it: http://amzn.com/B008FQW5ZY
-I had to dremel it a bit to make it fit into my radio's recessed aux jack.
-It takes several button presses to get it to connect every time I want to use it in my car
-As hands free phone, quality is hit and miss
-It has a non-standard power connection (3.5mm to USB?!?!)
Based on the Amazon reviews, this Belkin is a better choice: http://amzn.com/B004CLYJ2I
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my car has native bluetooth and a usb port (designed to support the iphone). Any chance there's a way I can get audio to work via bluetooth? my guess is no, but figured it was worth a shot in asking.
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Your Bluetooth must support media streaming.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=380567439018
I ordered 2 of these when I had my HTC one neither were being recognized on my phone tried it on my buddy's mytouch still didn't work got fed up and dumped them somewhere. Does this work on your s4 Everytime? Or hit and miss?
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my car has native bluetooth and a usb port (designed to support the iphone). Any chance there's a way I can get audio to work via bluetooth? my guess is no, but figured it was worth a shot in asking.
2011 G25X if that helps any...
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I have one of these for 2012 Nissan Maxima. Google New Potato Tunelink Android, sorry cant post links yet
I have an Aux and Power port in my center console. I leave it plugged in all the time. My S4's Call Audio connects to the cars Bluetooth automatically for phone calls. Media Audio connects to the Tunelink automatically to stream audio. Not perfect but it works. It think they go for 75 on amazon.
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I use this in my car: [edit - can't post links yet] Search Amazon for "HomeSpot NFC-enabled Bluetooth Audio Receiver for Sound System"
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That one looks pretty nice. Do you have to power it on each time? Or pair/connect it each time?
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I have one of these for 2012 Nissan Maxima. Google New Potato Tunelink Android, sorry cant post links yet
I have an Aux and Power port in my center console. I leave it plugged in all the time. My S4's Call Audio connects to the cars Bluetooth automatically for phone calls. Media Audio connects to the Tunelink automatically to stream audio. Not perfect but it works. It think they go for 75 on amazon.
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when you say you have an Aux, do you mean a 3.5mm cable? My G25X only has usb
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when you say you have an Aux, do you mean a 3.5mm cable? My G25X only has usb
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My Maxima has an RCA Aux (yellow/white/red) port in the center console right next to the USB/Ipod input. I use a RCA to 3.5mm cable to plug the Tunlink into the car. Sorry I assumed since the Maxima and G25 were so similar they would have the same ports.
So, after reading some of these responses and thinking about it more, here's what I'd really like:
- Something that charges via USB.
- Something that will automatically power on when I start the car (i.e. when it starts charging) and automatically connect with my phone, but will not continue drawing power once the car is shut off.
- Not too crazy expensive.
The 1st and 3rd there are easy enough to determine. Any of the recommended products satisfy the 2nd item there?
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I use this in my car: [edit - can't post links yet] Search Amazon for "HomeSpot NFC-enabled Bluetooth Audio Receiver for Sound System"
Bluetooth is a great convenience, minus the whole pairing part (especially if you use multiple bluetooth devices/receievers like me). The solution? NFC pairing. Tap your GS4 to the top the first time, it will ask if you want to pair, click yes. Everytime thereafter, no user intervention is required, just unlock phone and touch the top of the receiver. Paired.
Sound quality is sufficient for me, I don't notice much difference in it between my other BT devices, and it's priced lower then most other BT receivers that don't even have NFC pairing ($28), although you will need to supply your own cigarette lighter to usb power adapter.
I like it so much I bought 3 of them.
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that looks awesome! i am tempted to buy this right now but i already have pledged for that other product