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Hiya, long time lurker, first time poster here.
I've been playing around with my Captivate quite heavily since I've gotten it, adding stuff, removing stuff, you know, that whole thing.
Now something I've noticed recently popping up almost all the time in my ATK is getting on my nerves:
Voice Search
It always repops up after killing all tasks and reopening ATK. Upon further inspection, it uses almost everything the phone has to offer... Network Usage... Personal Data... Location... etc.
My data is off, sync is off, everything is off, and it keeps popping up. I've noticed quite a bit extra drain since I've seen the Voice Search popping up as well.
What's the dealo? This seems like quite an important app to keep running for obvious reasons. I do like to use voice search here and there (Widget is off, btw), with the android keyboard (when I'm not using swype), using dolphin, etc.
Anyone else notice this?
I think the problem is the task killer. Voice Search is most likely programmed to restart when a certain app is opened. Using a task killer will cause those apps the system needs to restart thus draining the battery. What other apps are running? It could be a misbehaving app not letting the phone sleep. Download Spare Parts and hit Battery History. What is the % of running you have? Then hit the top menu and select Partial Wake Usage and what is on top? Should be Android System.
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Ya think? Interesting, I haven't really had this problem before.
No other apps are running, just the Voice Search app, which is why I'm curious as to why its rebooting. I'm not using any other apps, and I've removed all my widgets temporarily to try and narrow it down.
Great 'sent from' btw.
I am a Evo user so I thought it was fitting.
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locsplitter said:
No other apps are running, just the Voice Search app, which is why I'm curious as to why its rebooting. I'm not using any other apps, and I've removed all my widgets temporarily to try and narrow it down.
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how broad is your task explorer set for? is it only showing apps or system processes too?
Install Spare Parts and let me know what it says from the directions I posted earlier.
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Kagoshema said:
how broad is your task explorer set for? is it only showing apps or system processes too?
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Yea, like Kagoshema said. Make sure it is showing everything.
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Have it on medium ATM.
Will do that install now.
Had rebooted the phone a couple minutes ago so all the data is wiped. Will let it run for a bit collecting data before I plug it in again and let ya know. I'll try to do my usual playing around with the phone to try and give it a more "normal" test.
Set my ATK to show everything also. See a bunch more little processes now.
Partial Wakelock: Google
Partial Wakelock: Dialer
The Voice Search is definitely google. And I have no idea why the dialer would be doing this. How would I go abouts keeping these "apps" and whatnot from draining like this?
I found that the voice search app runs In the background when I use the android keyboard. It does not run when I am running swype.
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locsplitter said:
Partial Wakelock: Google
Partial Wakelock: Dialer
The Voice Search is definitely google. And I have no idea why the dialer would be doing this. How would I go abouts keeping these "apps" and whatnot from draining like this?
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So the dialer and Google are on top for wakelock? That is not right. Go delete the cache for them.
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Did you upgrade to the new voice search?
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So the dialer and Google are on top for wakelock? That is not right. Go delete the cache for them.
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No, sorry. Android was on top, but Google was doing a decent amount of waking.
Also, where's this new Voice Search upgrade? I may have already grabbed it.
mm1983 said:
I found that the voice search app runs In the background when I use the android keyboard. It does not run when I am running swype.
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Good call. I've had the android keyboard on for a bit trying it out as opposed to Swype, thats probably one of the culprits.
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No, sorry. Android was on top, but Google was doing a decent amount of waking.
Also, where's this new Voice Search upgrade? I may have already grabbed it.
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The new search is in the market. But you may need 2.2. If you reboot, does this happen again?
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!!!If you have Android 2.1 the app now is in the market!!!
Android 2.2 and higher are also still supported
This is not another Auto Task Killer, no.
Thanks for all the help from everyone! We've moved into a lite and full version now on Android 2.2 and 2.3 phones.This is a new program which allows the user to specify alert levels to phone tasks and give you insight into what your phone is really doing. Make a call, ever wonder what apps may be listening? What's going on when you phone is in standby? In creating this, I will say that I've been surprised a few times at what is really going on. I want any and all feedback as well as we are trying to make this into something special. I am the actual developer of this app.
The full version has:
-Common Names and Actual Application Icons
-No Ads
-Access to all App Settings
-Ability to change alert level from List Tasks
-Removed Internet and Location Permissions
And we have a slew of other features planned for only the full version, but we don't want to spill the beans on those quite yet, but they will enhance the tool greatly!
Both versions now have the new UI as well.
Anyone who had the beta should be notified to upgrade to the lite version now.
Download Task Identifier Lite from your phone:
market://search?q=pname:com.task.identifier
Download Task Identifier Full from your phone:
market://search?q=pname:com.task.identifier.full
I've also attached a QR Code to scan for both versions. Or just search for Task Identifier in the market.
I hope you all find this useful and enjoy!!
smart work
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smart work
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Thanks!
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Hehe, I like how the only comment for the app (5 stars and "awesome" as comment) is currently by a user named 'x2k'. Hmmm.
I've just installed it and it's been less than a minute and I got an alert from an app that no longer needs to sync...So I disabled it (every little bit of non-sync means longer battery life!).
So far it's looking very promising! I'll definitely report back on my experiences!
Okay, first big thing...
Can you please resolve the cryptic app names to their more friendly name variants?
It's hard to read and make out the com.blah designations.
Thanks!
So far it seems like a cool app. I've been using WatchDog for ages to alert me when an app misbehaves.
But I'm confused about this app. When would you want to be using this? Can you give an example?
I'll keep it installed and see how it goes. Thanks.
Paul22000 said:
So far it seems like a cool app. I've been using WatchDog for ages to alert me when an app misbehaves.
But I'm confused about this app. When would you want to be using this? Can you give an example?
I'll keep it installed and see how it goes. Thanks.
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Thanks for trying. This is more of an app to alert you as to what your phone is doing, ie what loads at a given point in time on your phone.
x2kjosh said:
Thanks for trying. This is more of an app to alert you as to what your phone is doing, ie what loads at a given point in time on your phone.
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Thanks. I'm playing around with it and actively trying to make notifications pop up I opened Facebook and Google Reader started, as did Maps. Weird.
Which brings me to a question: how do we know whether the task started was CAUSED by the current app I'm using, or Android just randomly started it?
For example, it's possible Facebook opened Maps in order to try to get my location, but I don't see the connection between Facebook and Google Reader. Which is why I ask if it's random, or the app I'm using is causing other tasks to run.
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Thanks. I'm playing around with it and actively trying to make notifications pop up I opened Facebook and Google Reader started, as did Maps. Weird.
Which brings me to a question: how do we know whether the task started was CAUSED by the current app I'm using, or Android just randomly started it?
For example, it's possible Facebook opened Maps in order to try to get my location, but I don't see the connection between Facebook and Google Reader. Which is why I ask if it's random, or the app I'm using is causing other tasks to run.
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I've found when you start doing things you see patterns. On my old Eris while I was testing this, every time I made a phone call, ebay would start! Glad it seems to be working for you! Thanks!
Great thanks
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You're welcome.
Sounds like a great troubleshooting tool. Nice work!
I'm liking this app more and more. A few more comments and requests.
Comments
* I like the main app window. Large fonts, long-press to get quick-help or short press to go to the item. Nice
* Screen off app start notification, nice!
Requests
1. Possible to get more detail about why or how an app was triggered? Like, was it triggered by a service? another app? etc. And did the triggered app take any actions? Like sending network traffic or queried the GPS and such?
2. The 'Setup Alerts' window is hard to read through, could you maybe add color so all the status 'Green' items have the word 'Green' in green font and so on?
Just added a 5 star rating on Market, keep up the good work!
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I'm liking this app more and more. A few more comments and requests.
Comments
* I like the main app window. Large fonts, long-press to get quick-help or short press to go to the item. Nice
* Screen off app start notification, nice!
Requests
1. Possible to get more detail about why or how an app was triggered? Like, was it triggered by a service? another app? etc. And did the triggered app take any actions? Like sending network traffic or queried the GPS and such?
2. The 'Setup Alerts' window is hard to read through, could you maybe add color so all the status 'Green' items have the word 'Green' in green font and so on?
Just added a 5 star rating on Market, keep up the good work!
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Thanks for the suggestions. Those are features we truly will consider adding as it will just make the tool even better. Thanks!
There will probably be updates from time to time through the market
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First of all, thanks for a great app.
I really like the fact that it reports on tasks/processes started while the screen was off!
I have some suggestions though:
1: When I click the icon in the app list to open the menu, it just shows the "Starting monitor" message and nothing else. I have to open an app to get the message in the pull down bar and click on that to start the application it self.
2: On my Samsung Galaxy S i9000 the layout of the application is just a bit to long for a full screen. We are talking about 1 cm or something.
3: I would very much like a log, so that I can check back, what applications started during screen off, and at what time/date.
4: The way the Android memory management works, I guess it's normal for Android to start and application/process to memory by itself from time to time. Is it possible to show this somehow? For what is interesting here is when an application is launching another application or process, and not when Android memory management is putting an application in memory.
Thanks for your great work, I'm looking forward to further updates to the application!
Just saw this on the front page and thought it looked pretty interesting. Installed a few minutes ago, but so far I like it. Not too intrusive with the pop-up.
As Namuna posted though it would be nice to get more detail.
Also to have the actual app name rather than com.xxx.
Really good work.
Installed.
I like the idea that we can see what tasks are really doing in the background. But as noted by some above, the notifications are a bit cryptic at the moment.
After installing and running the app, I started updating some of my other apps in App Market and my phone crashed. This has not happened before and I seems from my layman eyes that too many things might have been running in the background.
When the phone restarted, it too forever for anything to be displayed and the 3 widgets I had on the homescreen refused to load up. Again it seems to me that this app is popping up too many notifications - I have now stopped the app from starting up and running on start up.
I don't know whether this is unique to me or not though. I am running the app on Samsung Galaxy S (international) on stock Froyo with LauncherPro.
Still, I like this app and will use it more. Keep up the great work and many thanks.
Edit : just checked app settings again, and although I explicit unchecked app running on phone startup, the box is checked again. I unchecked the box and pressed save again. Re-entered app settings and the box is checked again. Am I missing something?
This looks very interesting.. So it's installed and ready for testing
Thank you very much for that app, it's awesome. I agree with the recent posters that the name of the app in addition to the com.blah.blubb would be a great help to identify the task. Also I'd like to see a possibility for a logfile.
Keep up the good work!
EDIT: I can hardly read the small, dark font when setting task levels since I use almost the very darkest display settings to save battery. So being able to chose the font color would be great but has absolutely no priority. Again: great app!Using it all day long now and I am surprised what tasks are being started!
Ok before anyone says this belongs in the other thread I disagree, the other thread has turned from talking about official froyo to custom ROM's. Anyone else disappointed with their new froyo? GPS still does not work, you have to back out of apps that dont have an exit button before you can close them with advance task killer, everytime I close apps with atk I open it back up seconds later and there are a list of apps open again and when i have an app open if the screen goes into sleep mode the app stops when I unlock the screen back up. Anyone else having these problems? (im sure most are still having the GPS problem) Or any thing else you dont like about the official froyo? Or any tricks on how to fix these problems?
agreed
first, delete advanced task killer, you no longer need it.
next add widget, there is a called program monitor, it is much better and more informative than atk.
last, wait for a custom rom
jgrnght said:
agreed
first, delete advanced task killer, you no longer need it.
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Delete ATK first. If u want to know why, read the first post in the thread 'android memory management' (link in my signature).
Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
So far I am happy and I am coming from Cognition 3.3. My phone feels more responsive and things like market open much more quickly. I believe the GPS issue is hardware based, I had a 1009 build and the gps was crappy, but after receiving a replacement through AT&Ts warranty exchange the GPS is much better. Overall I am pleased with the Update, but will eventually flash whatever Cognition Rom that is based on this update.
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last, wait for a custom rom
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There are two custom ROMs based on KB1 that were released before KB1 was available. Cognition 4 and Torch, both are in the Dev forum.
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Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
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I have a i9000 2.2.1 ROM installed. My phone will last around 30 hours with medium usage (screen on 1hr, probably 20min of calls, 50-60 texts, some web browsing, music, and 15-20 min of gameplay)
Android automatically kills tasks that aren't being used, generally to free up memory for an app that actually needs it, or to free up other system resources (power and CPU included)
*EDIT: This applies to 2.2 as well as 2.2.1, which is the reason not to use a task killer.
poprocksncoke said:
Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
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I too would like to try the program monitor app, but I just checked the Market and its not there. I did however, find "Process" Manager. Is that it?
aicirt17 said:
I too would like to try the program monitor app, but I just checked the Market and its not there. I did however, find "Process" Manager. Is that it?
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It should already be on the phone. It's a widget.
I gather that the official ROM is KB1. Is that 2.2.1?
ragincajun713 said:
It should already be on the phone. It's a widget.
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I dont see it
ewingr said:
I gather that the official ROM is KB1. Is that 2.2.1?
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No just 2.2
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It should already be on the phone. It's a widget.
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I'm not seeing it on Serendipity.
program monitor can only use at tW launcher. i think...
tried go launcher, AWD, LauncherPro, all of them dont have proram monitor in the widget option.
Yeah I looked at it, doesnt seem to be avilable with launcher pro only tw launcher. I believe it is the same thing as the task manager in the app drawer?
I don't know why everyone is still complaining about the GPS, my Froyo 2.2 update did fix the GPS.
I used Google Navigator to drive from home to work for 30 minutes today - 20 minutes of it on freeway at 70 mph. It never lost me, it worked just as it should the entire way and I've never had that happen before.
Are people honestly still having issues with the GPS not tracking?
I had no problem with the gps this morning. And the program manager is not just a widget I found it listed in the apps section after updating this morning
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I'm disappointed that they didn't add select/copy functionality to e-mail.
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Program Monitor, add a widget to your home screen and select program monitor.
My GPS is still slow to lock, those of you who say yours is fixed, while you have wireless assist turned off how many seconds does it usually take you to lock? Mine takes around 18 seconds at times. I had one of the first ones off ATT preorder so I dont doubt it could be hardware related. I havent tried a custom ROM yet though and people have commented that their GPS improved.
anyone have problems with kies mini? says unrecognized device I searched internet see a bunch of people with problems same on vibrant. Upgrade button greyed out. and regular kies says what version of elcair i actually have and recognizes it but says it cant update it. I odin 1click restored back to stock, deleted everything on phone, and still same problem.
Btw on task manager, I use samsung task manager I like it better then the others.
*Disclaimer* This is all from a personal experience and testing/research from a long time android user, what I have discovered over time and has helped me and some friends. This will work whether your rooted OR not. I kept it as basic as I can so everyone can benefit. If you dont like what you read and disagree, or want to add something PM me, Ill change/add and give credit to you. Hopefully, this can grow with the community.
*Rooted Section Will be Added*
*When I charge my battery I usually drain it all the way down or as much as i can (around 20% left) then charge plugged in till green, then power down and charge for another hour or so. Not sure if this matters or not but seems to help me out try it!*
This guide will help you if your rooted or non-rooted, all the apps I talk about I honestly have no ties to the devs. I don't use any SUPER AWESOME AMAZING BATTERY SAVER 5000 apps or anything like that. Those mostly just turn ur radios off and on and kill apps in the background. In my experience a lot of them cause syncing issues with my e-mail and other notifications. I like to receive my information instantly not have an app waiting for me to turn my screen on to check for updates.
About my personal setup: Basically, I want my phone to last me all day but still perform well with a heavy use, WITHOUT needing to constantly change settings to save battery. With what I have here Im able to keep my Sensation running for a full day of moderate-heavy use (7:30am to around 10pm) with its STOCK battery (Did damn well on my Evo 4G too). Days of very minor use Ive gone into the second day with 60% + battery. Yes, I use all my home screens and have a good amount of widgets, I love sense and its widgets. I play games, surf the web, do a lot of texting, listen to a lot of music, decent amount of fbing and email, usually take a few pictures a day. Half my day is wifi/other is mobile data.
Here goes the real basics, mostly common sense here not trying to insult anyone. Feel free to browse thru it quick (green text) if your not totally new to the android scene, whats after it will be a good read for noobs and vets.
*I use the power control widget, make getting to a lot of settings quicker. Why waste battery digging thru menus?*
Basics:
-Screen brightness: (duh ) these pretty screens eat battery brighter=quicker drain naturally and from my experience leaving it on Auto Brightness kills more battery too. Each time your phone pulls information from the sensor to decide on how bright it should adjust itself too.
-GPS: If GPS is on it should not effect battery unless an app is using it and you see the GPS icon on your notification bar. I noticed a very slight increase in mA discharge when i had it enabled, to be safe leave it off if you dont use it extremely frequently.
Location thru mobile networks: Not to hard on battery. I leave mine on it does add drain but it takes away from my weather widgets updating when Im traveling.
-Bluetooth: Moderate battery drain. I honestly don't use it at all myself but if you do try your best to keep it off when not in use.
-Wifi: Android has gotten a lot better at managing wifi over the past few years. It doesn't drain that bad on battery and it shuts off/on periodically on its own when screen is off depending on whats using it.
Google Back-Up: Takes a little juice here and there no biggie. I dont use it just because I like to fresh install my apps when I try a new rom, run into less problems that way.
2G/3G/4G: This varies phone to phone, the slower speed the better battery life. If you know your not going to be using 4G for a while turn it off. I leave mine on 4G or wifi all day with my sensation. When I had Sprint and my Evo I would leave it off most of the time. Depending on your carrier and how their data works this is a big one. T-Mobile seems to handle well, Sprint and Verizon's 4G Ive seen eat an insane amount of battery.
Sync/Background Data: I lumped them together because sync is pretty much reliant on background data. These kill a lot of your battery in general. It syncs your apps (email, facebook, google data, contacts, etc.), the periodic checks your apps do to check for and download new emails and notifications, using background data (data still transmits when screens off). I always leave these on and still manage great battery life, I like things instant if I wanted to wait Id just wait till i got in front of a PC. Sync and Background data are the settings most battery saving apps control because they really can help your battery if you turn it off. You can control what core apps sync in settings>accounts and sync. Or the power widget that 95% of android phones have has it on there. I recommend minimizing the amount of apps you allow background data with, example: WeatherBug first launch it asks if it can automatically update itself in the background for apps were thats not necessary hit no.
Radio/Airplane Mode: Pretty self explanatory, turns off your connection to your wireless provider. No point in ever turning it off in my eyes, your phones no longer a phone.
What has really helped me with my battery life (non-basics):
There is a lot to be said when it comes down to 2.2+ android phones and whether they need a task killer anymore or not. Since Ive had a lot of android phones and a few now that are 2.2+ Ive done a lot of testing. I usually go about a 2 weeks on one idea or new task killer and keep a close eye on battery drainage using Battery Monitor Widget, free app in the market. It tells you exactly how much of your battery is being drained without killing battery itself. Each phone/rom settles at a different average mA lower the better. In my experience if I can keep my phone anywhere under 100mA when idle im doing good. This held true on both the Evo 4G and my Sensation. Some ASOP roms i could get down to the 30's but for sense under 100mA is good. Keep in mind you will get the occasionally spike here and there its just android and/or apps in the background. You can view the a chart of the battery data in Battery Monitor.
Instead of boring you guys with each task killer Ive used and its results, Ill just get down to what I found out in the end.
Basically, the way android 2.2+ works it really isn't necessary to run a task killer it does a decent job removing apps from memory when you need more memory. But at the same time I found running a task killer periodically (BUT not killing frequently used apps) results in a lower average mA drain leading to overall better battery life.
The best application I have used has to go Automatic Task Killer , trust me Ive used a lot from the top free ones to a few of the more popular paid ones. What this task killer does is kill a selection of apps you allow it too every time your phones screen shuts off and goes idle. On Automatic Task Killer's first boot your shown a screen of every application that could at some point run in the background on your phone. This part sucks a little bit but it is worth it, you need to select which of the apps you want to allow it to kill automatically. It does not kill foreground apps the ones you currently have open on the screen aka a browser or a game. Example your playing NFS: Shift and your boss walks by so you quickly pause and hit the power button turning off the screen, next time you turn the screen on it will kill all other allowed background apps but your game will still be up front and center.
Now the trick is to go thru and set it to kill apps you know your phone won't automatically just restart or you don't use 90% of the time. So don't select things like Dialer, Contacts, Clock, Calendar, Messages or apps you constantly use/check such as a third party SMS app or your main E-Mail Client or third party keyboards (various by person and what you use most). Letting the app automatically kill those is just going to lead to worse battery life because your phone will just restart it each time leading to more CPU cycles (not what you want and part of the reason some consider task killers bad things).
Also, when using any task killer and killing the proper apps sense seems runs smoother, a big deal with sense 3.0.
Re-calibrate Battery: After you flash a new rom or start using a new battery, you should use your recovery (CWM or other) to Wipe Battery Stats. Before you do this make sure your battery is at 100% and has been on the charger for over an hour with the fully charged green led on. This will allow your device to better drain your battery and can really help battery life.
So hopefully with a little messing around you can get a good setup where your phone lasts you all day without having to constantly keep changing settings and watching your battery life. All while everything stays syncing and instant. Hope this helps!
Thanks to people who have contributed:
-JadeSoturi
*ROOT Section (now that we have s-off )
Everything posted above can be done on any rom, rooted or none. There has been a lot of posts on "freezing apps" that you dont need or typically use, which does in fact really help battery life. Since, we (by we i mean sensation users) now have a permanent root this is my tiny second part of the guide for rooted devices.
I dont freeze my apps I prefer them to be gone for good if its something I dont see myself using or its bloat that came with my phone/rom. Since 98% of us will be using custom roms now this usually isnt an issue since most dev's r good at what they do and remove all the bs we dont need or normally use. Still there is some apps we may not want on our phones so for that I use SystemApp Remover . Its a great App for people who dont want to have to worry about going in manually and getting rid of system apps.
Its just basically an Uninstaller that allows you to access any and every app on the phone for you to uninstall (thats y roots needed). For me I just go in an drop the apps I know i wont use. A lot of roms come with carrier add-ons and such, those I normally delete as well as a few HTC sense widgets and apps I see no need for. It will free up space and increase your phones battery life with most things you delete.
Now, be careful. You are prompted upon opening SystemApp Remover that messing in system apps is dangerous and it is. If your not sure what something is DONT touch it, simply do a google search or ask around to see if its safe to remove first.
Nice to have needed guides posted. Hopefully someone will see fit to add this to the Stickies. Thanks.
no problem glad to give back.
itd be nice to have my first sticky, maybe when some people start noticing results and the thread picks up
Leaving GPS on has NO impact on battery life unless you have an app that is actively using it (you will notice the little satellite icon in the notification bar).
Thanks your this what is the automatic task killer you used because there are a few when I search on the market and wasn't sure which one to get?
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TheBiles said:
Leaving GPS on has NO impact on battery life unless you have an app that is actively using it (you will notice the little satellite icon in the notification bar).
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Updated OP. I do still notice slightly higher mA when it is enabled even if theres no apps using it
Thanks for the info, I'm trying out the automatic task killer to see how it affects my battery life.
Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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No offense bro, but you should read his entire post before you start ripping it apart. It looks like he put a lot of effort into it. He explains his reasoning for the task killer with evidence and it makes sense.
Thanks OP, I'm using your suggestions already. Will update soon.
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No offense bro, but you should read his entire post before you start ripping it apart. It looks like he put a lot of effort into it. He explains his reasoning for the task killer with evidence and it makes sense.
Thanks OP, I'm using your suggestions already. Will update soon.
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With more evidence than the article I posted? Yeah, right.
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Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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I address the fact that android doesnt need a task killer but if you read the whole thing automatic task killer lets you choose which apps to kill, leaving out worry of killing system apps that just restart.
Also, this is for battery life and performance, my battery's mA drains slower when i use a task killer for non system apps as well as keeps Sense 3.0 running smoother. I have had sense bog down on me a few times when not keeping a task killer handy.
It isnt necessary to have have a task killer and in the average users hands it can cause more harm than good. But this threads helping to school people on a way for better battery life using a safer method than a BASIC KILL ALL task killer.
Lastly, why did they include a task killer with my android if they dont think we need one?
TheBiles said:
Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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Wow, that was helpful. What a waste of an attempt to incite a useless forum war.
@ bobzoz
Nicely put, it will definitely help the newbies to android and made me think twice about a couple of things even though I'm on my 4th android phone.
bobzoz said:
I address the fact that android doesnt need a task killer but if you read the whole thing automatic task killer lets you choose which apps to kill, leaving out worry of killing system apps that just restart.
Also, this is for battery life and performance, my battery's mA drains slower when i use a task killer for non system apps as well as keeps Sense 3.0 running smoother. I have had sense bog down on me a few times when not keeping a task killer handy.
It isnt necessary to have have a task killer and in the average users hands it can cause more harm than good. But this threads helping to school people on a way for better battery life using a safer method than a BASIC KILL ALL task killer.
Lastly, why did they include a task killer with my android if they dont think we need one?
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The same reason HTC and T-Mobile included all of that other BLOATWARE crap.
dazzlet said:
Thanks your this what is the automatic task killer you used because there are a few when I search on the market and wasn't sure which one to get?
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Updated OP with links, good call
TheBiles said:
The same reason HTC and T-Mobile included all of that other BLOATWARE crap.
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It's made by Google, not HTC or T-mobile.
Im just sharing how with people how I get good battery life. Trying to help out, if you dont agree with my method than just dont use it and ignore this thread.
bobzoz said:
Its made by Google, not HTC or T-mobile.
Im just sharing how with people how I get good battery life. Trying to help out, if you dont agree with my method than just dont use it and ignore this thread.
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That looks like part of HTC's Sense. You definitely won't find that in AOSP Android.
TheBiles said:
That looks like part of HTC's Sense. You definitely won't find that in AOSP Android.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
Apps section.
Im not trying to have a battle man just ignore the thread if you dont agree with it. Easy stuff
bobzoz said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
Apps section.
Im not trying to have a battle man just ignore the thread if you dont agree with it. Easy stuff
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Wow, you cited Wikipedia. Credible info there!
I'm only trying to help out the other forum users who are being mislead. I've been through a lot of Android devices and spent a lot of time focusing on things like this, and I know what I'm talking about.
Edit: And the only task killer you will find made by Google is the one within Android OS itself. Go download an AOSP build of Android with the latest Google Apps and let me know when you find a task-killer app.
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Wow, you cited Wikipedia. Credible info there!
I'm only trying to help out the other forum users who are being mislead. I've been through a lot of Android devices and spent a lot of time focusing on things like this, and I know what I'm talking about.
Edit: And the only task killer you will find made by Google is the one within Android OS itself. Go download an AOSP build of Android with the latest Google Apps and let me know when you find a task-killer app.
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Im just sharing what works for me and like i said in the OP ive been doing this for a long time too. If you want to continue coming at me please do it thru a PM.
Okay, I'm trying to find out how much an app is using. I have BetterBatteryStats, but I'm not understanding all that much. What I'm able to understand from BetterBatteryStats is what is waking my phone.
For example, I have a live wallpaper, but I can't see how much it's consuming my battery. Of course it's doing something and I want to know how much. How much the app is using.
I also assume that some apps are thrown into other services. For example, the live wallpaper may be thrown in with Apex Launcher when it comes to how much an app has used. I know Google Services combines a lot of other apps. How can I find that out?
I'm trying to find out what's really using my battery. I know I have like everything under the Sun syncing on my phone. LoL!! But wouldn't that mean Google Services should be using most of my battery since it's doing a lot of syncing?
I'm just trying to better understand what I'm reading.
Also, why does Settings > Power > Usage and the percentages there not equal 100%? I have the HTC One M8 and when I add all the percentages, it gives me about 75%. Does that mean everything else that's not listed is using the other 25% of my battery? So if an app isn't listed, then it's using such a small amount that it's thrown in a Misc category that's not listed?
I've been doing some searches, but EVERY friggin' time you search anything with the word "battery" in Google it always comes up with "How to save battery" or something of the sort. LoL!!
I'm more than sure there's a thread explaining this. Something related to Kit Kat would be nice. Thanks for any help.