Ok before anyone says this belongs in the other thread I disagree, the other thread has turned from talking about official froyo to custom ROM's. Anyone else disappointed with their new froyo? GPS still does not work, you have to back out of apps that dont have an exit button before you can close them with advance task killer, everytime I close apps with atk I open it back up seconds later and there are a list of apps open again and when i have an app open if the screen goes into sleep mode the app stops when I unlock the screen back up. Anyone else having these problems? (im sure most are still having the GPS problem) Or any thing else you dont like about the official froyo? Or any tricks on how to fix these problems?
agreed
first, delete advanced task killer, you no longer need it.
next add widget, there is a called program monitor, it is much better and more informative than atk.
last, wait for a custom rom
jgrnght said:
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first, delete advanced task killer, you no longer need it.
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Delete ATK first. If u want to know why, read the first post in the thread 'android memory management' (link in my signature).
Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
So far I am happy and I am coming from Cognition 3.3. My phone feels more responsive and things like market open much more quickly. I believe the GPS issue is hardware based, I had a 1009 build and the gps was crappy, but after receiving a replacement through AT&Ts warranty exchange the GPS is much better. Overall I am pleased with the Update, but will eventually flash whatever Cognition Rom that is based on this update.
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last, wait for a custom rom
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There are two custom ROMs based on KB1 that were released before KB1 was available. Cognition 4 and Torch, both are in the Dev forum.
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Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
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I have a i9000 2.2.1 ROM installed. My phone will last around 30 hours with medium usage (screen on 1hr, probably 20min of calls, 50-60 texts, some web browsing, music, and 15-20 min of gameplay)
Android automatically kills tasks that aren't being used, generally to free up memory for an app that actually needs it, or to free up other system resources (power and CPU included)
*EDIT: This applies to 2.2 as well as 2.2.1, which is the reason not to use a task killer.
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Where do I find this program monitor widget? Before I installed atk my batter would drain in about half a day now it last most of the day. Would the program monitor do the same?
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I too would like to try the program monitor app, but I just checked the Market and its not there. I did however, find "Process" Manager. Is that it?
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I too would like to try the program monitor app, but I just checked the Market and its not there. I did however, find "Process" Manager. Is that it?
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It should already be on the phone. It's a widget.
I gather that the official ROM is KB1. Is that 2.2.1?
ragincajun713 said:
It should already be on the phone. It's a widget.
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I dont see it
ewingr said:
I gather that the official ROM is KB1. Is that 2.2.1?
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No just 2.2
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I'm not seeing it on Serendipity.
program monitor can only use at tW launcher. i think...
tried go launcher, AWD, LauncherPro, all of them dont have proram monitor in the widget option.
Yeah I looked at it, doesnt seem to be avilable with launcher pro only tw launcher. I believe it is the same thing as the task manager in the app drawer?
I don't know why everyone is still complaining about the GPS, my Froyo 2.2 update did fix the GPS.
I used Google Navigator to drive from home to work for 30 minutes today - 20 minutes of it on freeway at 70 mph. It never lost me, it worked just as it should the entire way and I've never had that happen before.
Are people honestly still having issues with the GPS not tracking?
I had no problem with the gps this morning. And the program manager is not just a widget I found it listed in the apps section after updating this morning
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I'm disappointed that they didn't add select/copy functionality to e-mail.
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Program Monitor, add a widget to your home screen and select program monitor.
My GPS is still slow to lock, those of you who say yours is fixed, while you have wireless assist turned off how many seconds does it usually take you to lock? Mine takes around 18 seconds at times. I had one of the first ones off ATT preorder so I dont doubt it could be hardware related. I havent tried a custom ROM yet though and people have commented that their GPS improved.
anyone have problems with kies mini? says unrecognized device I searched internet see a bunch of people with problems same on vibrant. Upgrade button greyed out. and regular kies says what version of elcair i actually have and recognizes it but says it cant update it. I odin 1click restored back to stock, deleted everything on phone, and still same problem.
Btw on task manager, I use samsung task manager I like it better then the others.
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Not sure why, but most of the apps I have are auto-starting after every reboot. Most of them are apps that are on the desktop. Any idea why? I'd have to go into TaskPanel to close them all individually. Gets kinda old.
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Not sure why, but most of the apps I have are auto-starting after every reboot. Most of them are apps that are on the desktop. Any idea why? I'd have to go into TaskPanel to close them all individually. Gets kinda old.
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Widgets are supposed to be running, that's what they do.
All apps that have a listen function for phone events start on bootup, some go to sleep others stay awake, which does which depends on the use of the app and the dev who coded it.
Also, you shouldn't be using a task killer on Android. Head over to geekfor.me to read the article about why.
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Also, you shouldn't be using a task killer on Android. Head over to geekfor.me to read the article about why.
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The article in question. A must read.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Wow! Thanks a lot for the amazing input! I keep killing tasks because my Hero gets sluggish at times...
Yep, once I stopped killing apps and started using ttg 1.6 I am completely satisfied with the speed of my phone. It wasn't until I used fresh that even noticed an increase in speed, and after switching to ttg 1.6 I couldn't believe the results.
There is the location services bug that will slow your phone down and eat your battery
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Yep, once I stopped killing apps and started using ttg 1.6 I am completely satisfied with the speed of my phone. It wasn't until I used fresh that even noticed an increase in speed, and after switching to ttg 1.6 I couldn't believe the results.
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Completely agree.
Went Fresh --> Modaco --> TTG 0.16
Phone is flying.
abcdfv said:
There is the location services bug that will slow your phone down and eat your battery
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Which no one has proven affects our Hero.
posguy99 said:
Which no one has proven affects our Hero.
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It's the HTC location service bug. Id say it effect the hero
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It's the HTC location service bug. Id say it effect the hero
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No, it's a bug described as being present in the Android 1.5 location service, which was rewritten for Android 1.6 and later. Removing a HTC-specific piece of software doesn't do anything to change what lies underneath.
Someone randomly renaming it the "HTC location service bug" doesn't make it so either.
I've read the bug report, you see. You can too. It's all about a flawed piece of *Google's* code.
No one's tested, we just have random people falling all over themselves to blame something because their battery decreases .001% faster than they think it should. The one person who did any testing at all (flipz) pointed out that he didn't have any valid data.
Maybe there is a fault. I don't know. I have location services enabled, don't see the 100% CPU people claim, don't see the sub 3 hour battery life people claim.
So until someone shows our Hero has the runaway problem described in the bug report... it ain't so.
I wanted to know if anyone knew why apps like Sprint Navigation, Sprint Voicemail, and the stock text messenger all start up when I send a text with Handcent, I never use Sprint Navigation because of Google Maps same with Sprint Voicemail because of Google Voice, I know the Stock message app still has a little to do with messages but it lacks a lot of the customization that Handcent has
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I wanted to know if anyone knew why apps like Sprint Navigation, Sprint Voicemail, and the stock text messenger all start up
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This is why you read the article linked in this thread.
Hi,
Mods, feel free to move this to the Q&A if you think this is inappropriate. Thanks.
I would like to request whether a similar function like the "Home app in memory" for "Spare Parts" can be extended to critical functions like the Dialer and Contacts app? I find it irritating having the phone to constantly restart the application when coming off the browser or some other applications. It takes a good 2 seconds to load it completely. I have tried clearing the logs etc. but I think having it in memory would really speed up its use.
Can such a thing be done? Or has it been done? Please comment, thank you
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This is more of a request than a question...probably would go to the apps forum,
but anyway,
My solution is to download the AutoKiller app, and set it to whatever setting you like...go to settings, and find the running processes, long click on Dialer and select "Keep Alive"
Works for me. Always seems to stay in memory whenever I check running services. If you have any other task managers or app killers, be sure to "ignore" Dialer for those as well, so they don't close it either. Hope that helps. This is a great idea though, I've been introduced it along time ago, with no response, maybe you'll achieve otherwise. Good luck.
Klyentel said:
This is more of a request than a question...probably would go to the apps forum,
but anyway,
My solution is to download the AutoKiller app, and set it to whatever setting you like...go to settings, and find the running processes, long click on Dialer and select "Keep Alive"
Works for me. Always seems to stay in memory whenever I check running services. If you have any other task managers or app killers, be sure to "ignore" Dialer for those as well, so they don't close it either. Hope that helps. This is a great idea though, I've been introduced it along time ago, with no response, maybe you'll achieve otherwise. Good luck.
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Thanks for the alternative solution However, I am hoping that it would automatically boot it into memory when the phone starts, instead of having to run it once before it gets shifted into the memory. Hope I am making sense... but I'll certainly try your solution.
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Thanks for the alternative solution However, I am hoping that it would automatically boot it into memory when the phone starts, instead of having to run it once before it gets shifted into the memory. Hope I am making sense... but I'll certainly try your solution.
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Im not sure...good point though, let me know how that works for ya
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Im not sure...good point though, let me know how that works for ya
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Yeah, I tested your method and it works perfectly, just 1 second or less to switch. But as expected, I need to run it through Autokiller again when I reboot the system. I really hope that it can be autostarted and remained in the memory from the start. But that's a lot... this will have to do while we wait for a kind developer who may take pity on us on this matter
So they're loading slowly on your phone i'm guessing?
another app...
There is another app in the market called autostarts that you can set to start the dialer on startup, a long way of accomplishing what you want, but my work for you.
OP, it seems AutoKiller app will do this for you. Check this post in the How to configure Android's *internal* taskkiller thread.
Thanks for the advices guys. I have tried all of it, and as I am looking at the documentation for 'taskkiller' I seriously am sadden that it is more technical and complicated than "Spare Parts" simple feature of ticking a box
My phone at times loads things slower than usual, especially the dialer app when I have more than 10 call log contacts, etc. I guess it is a HTC Dream problem with its now ancient 528Mhz processor. *shrug*
If a developer can help out on this, it would be great
wait for my HTC cupcake Rom...
dialer is part of the phone and stays in memory.
takes around 1 second to load...
domenukk said:
wait for my HTC cupcake Rom...
dialer is part of the phone and stays in memory.
takes around 1 second to load...
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Thanks, will definitely wait for it I wonder whether this can be integrated into CyanogenMod?
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I seriously am sadden that it is more technical and complicated than "Spare Parts" simple feature of ticking a box
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It is not complicated at all.
1) Install AutoKiller
2) Start AutoKiller
3) Allow it root access permanently if it asks, relaunch AutoKiller
4) Click on Processes tab
5) Long press on Dialer
6) Choose "Keep Alive"
Super Jamie said:
It is not complicated at all.
1) Install AutoKiller
2) Start AutoKiller
3) Allow it root access permanently if it asks, relaunch AutoKiller
4) Click on Processes tab
5) Long press on Dialer
6) Choose "Keep Alive"
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I understand the process. When I say it is complicated, I am referring to the need to redo every 5 steps whenever my phone is restarted. I restart my phone daily, and would find that having to relaunch Autokiller, and click this and that is more complicated than just clicking a box 'once' and not needing to worry about that anymore. In fact, this is the problem stated in the thread given under "durability". Thanks again.
Huhu... I've asked the same question too (less clearly than you do, but got the same answer) here and elsewhere...
I'm looking for exactly the same than you.
meuhlavache said:
Huhu... I've asked the same question too (less clearly than you do, but got the same answer) here and elsewhere...
I'm looking for exactly the same than you.
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I still hope there will be a kind developer who will help with this request. If the solution can be incorporated into a ROM like cyanogen's ROM, even better. Thank you anyone who may be interested.
www.bit.ly/b26PcJ <<this rom has the dialer locked into memory.
Big release will be as soon as I have the time for it.
please report if you like it and if everything works
have fun with it
I agree that this feature is a good idea and should be more standard. Making calls is the primary function of our devices and as such, I should be able to do it instantaneously. On my last non-smart phone, I was able to push talk and get the dialer in like, 1 micro-second. On my G1, I've gotten more used to waiting anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds.
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I would love this feature to be implemented in the future.
I too have been looking for a way to set the oom of a few processes to -17 so they'll never close. I've used autokiller, but i too hate that everything has to be set after every boot. I've set the minfree values through custom_init on my hacked up version of StupidFast 1.2, and I'd love to be able to set the oom values there too.
Well I am currently looking in the android source for a way to set it...
playing around with adb shell a little. will report soon
as long as I am doing this, you can still use the rom from above... HTC dialer is just sooo much better when it comes to speed, memory consumption and usability...
best thing would be to get this ported to donut...
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/proc/<pid>/oom-score shows process' current badness score.
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/proc/<pid>/oom-adj
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ther you could set the oom score....
get the pid with 'pidof [app name]'
you can include the pidof in the whole thing.
so it should be something like
echo -17 > /proc/'pidof [whatever app]'/oom-adj
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But I am not shure... still trying
but be aware that there is already waay to little memory avaliable on our phones...
possible for badness (this value) is anything from -17 to +15...
-17 will never be killed, no matter what.
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oomkilladj = OOM-DISABLE
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stupid :/
/edit: android contacts is com.android.contacts.
/edit: sorry, I have no more time. Anybody else try it please...
seems not to work for me like i have posted it...
Not really sure how many have used this----->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807989 It's supposed to be similar to JuiceDefender and/or Tasker. The app is currently in beta and can be found in the Market. I'm only posting to get some feedback from other users to see if it's a viable alternative to the other offerings currently available. Also, it's been stated that JuiceDefender is recommended in conjunction with the Colin_ph battery tweak to further optimize the tweak----->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822618
I've been using it for about a week now, and its pretty much like Juice Defender but with a lot more options...the option that sold me was switching Background data on and off automatically based on your preferences...it keeps it off even when I have the screen on, and only turns it on during scheduled sync periods...
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I've been using it for about a week now, and its pretty much like Juice Defender but with a lot more options...the option that sold me was switching Background data on and off automatically based on your preferences...it keeps it off even when I have the screen on, and only turns it on during scheduled sync periods...
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Have you noticed any conflicts or bugs? Are you using it in conjunction with any of the battery tweaks(Colin's or Neotelo's)?
I can't seem to get the thing to run. Just sits at setting up preferences on first run.
Btw, running miui's newest beta with default kernel.
-Swyped away on my addiction
Wasney said:
I can't seem to get the thing to run. Just sits at setting up preferences on first run.
Btw, running miui's newest beta with default kernel.
-Swyped away on my addiction
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I haven't tried it on an AOSP rom but flashed right away with Myn's. I guess I'm gonna restore my MIUI nand tomorrow and see if I can get it to run. There's been a lot of chatter about battery savings with the tweaks out now and by chance, while searching the market for the XDA app, I came across this. I definitely prefer the UI of this over JuiceDefender and Tasker. I know I saw it mentioned, I believe in the change log, that WIMAX controls are also available...
*Disclaimer* This is all from a personal experience and testing/research from a long time android user, what I have discovered over time and has helped me and some friends. This will work whether your rooted OR not. I kept it as basic as I can so everyone can benefit. If you dont like what you read and disagree, or want to add something PM me, Ill change/add and give credit to you. Hopefully, this can grow with the community.
*Rooted Section Will be Added*
*When I charge my battery I usually drain it all the way down or as much as i can (around 20% left) then charge plugged in till green, then power down and charge for another hour or so. Not sure if this matters or not but seems to help me out try it!*
This guide will help you if your rooted or non-rooted, all the apps I talk about I honestly have no ties to the devs. I don't use any SUPER AWESOME AMAZING BATTERY SAVER 5000 apps or anything like that. Those mostly just turn ur radios off and on and kill apps in the background. In my experience a lot of them cause syncing issues with my e-mail and other notifications. I like to receive my information instantly not have an app waiting for me to turn my screen on to check for updates.
About my personal setup: Basically, I want my phone to last me all day but still perform well with a heavy use, WITHOUT needing to constantly change settings to save battery. With what I have here Im able to keep my Sensation running for a full day of moderate-heavy use (7:30am to around 10pm) with its STOCK battery (Did damn well on my Evo 4G too). Days of very minor use Ive gone into the second day with 60% + battery. Yes, I use all my home screens and have a good amount of widgets, I love sense and its widgets. I play games, surf the web, do a lot of texting, listen to a lot of music, decent amount of fbing and email, usually take a few pictures a day. Half my day is wifi/other is mobile data.
Here goes the real basics, mostly common sense here not trying to insult anyone. Feel free to browse thru it quick (green text) if your not totally new to the android scene, whats after it will be a good read for noobs and vets.
*I use the power control widget, make getting to a lot of settings quicker. Why waste battery digging thru menus?*
Basics:
-Screen brightness: (duh ) these pretty screens eat battery brighter=quicker drain naturally and from my experience leaving it on Auto Brightness kills more battery too. Each time your phone pulls information from the sensor to decide on how bright it should adjust itself too.
-GPS: If GPS is on it should not effect battery unless an app is using it and you see the GPS icon on your notification bar. I noticed a very slight increase in mA discharge when i had it enabled, to be safe leave it off if you dont use it extremely frequently.
Location thru mobile networks: Not to hard on battery. I leave mine on it does add drain but it takes away from my weather widgets updating when Im traveling.
-Bluetooth: Moderate battery drain. I honestly don't use it at all myself but if you do try your best to keep it off when not in use.
-Wifi: Android has gotten a lot better at managing wifi over the past few years. It doesn't drain that bad on battery and it shuts off/on periodically on its own when screen is off depending on whats using it.
Google Back-Up: Takes a little juice here and there no biggie. I dont use it just because I like to fresh install my apps when I try a new rom, run into less problems that way.
2G/3G/4G: This varies phone to phone, the slower speed the better battery life. If you know your not going to be using 4G for a while turn it off. I leave mine on 4G or wifi all day with my sensation. When I had Sprint and my Evo I would leave it off most of the time. Depending on your carrier and how their data works this is a big one. T-Mobile seems to handle well, Sprint and Verizon's 4G Ive seen eat an insane amount of battery.
Sync/Background Data: I lumped them together because sync is pretty much reliant on background data. These kill a lot of your battery in general. It syncs your apps (email, facebook, google data, contacts, etc.), the periodic checks your apps do to check for and download new emails and notifications, using background data (data still transmits when screens off). I always leave these on and still manage great battery life, I like things instant if I wanted to wait Id just wait till i got in front of a PC. Sync and Background data are the settings most battery saving apps control because they really can help your battery if you turn it off. You can control what core apps sync in settings>accounts and sync. Or the power widget that 95% of android phones have has it on there. I recommend minimizing the amount of apps you allow background data with, example: WeatherBug first launch it asks if it can automatically update itself in the background for apps were thats not necessary hit no.
Radio/Airplane Mode: Pretty self explanatory, turns off your connection to your wireless provider. No point in ever turning it off in my eyes, your phones no longer a phone.
What has really helped me with my battery life (non-basics):
There is a lot to be said when it comes down to 2.2+ android phones and whether they need a task killer anymore or not. Since Ive had a lot of android phones and a few now that are 2.2+ Ive done a lot of testing. I usually go about a 2 weeks on one idea or new task killer and keep a close eye on battery drainage using Battery Monitor Widget, free app in the market. It tells you exactly how much of your battery is being drained without killing battery itself. Each phone/rom settles at a different average mA lower the better. In my experience if I can keep my phone anywhere under 100mA when idle im doing good. This held true on both the Evo 4G and my Sensation. Some ASOP roms i could get down to the 30's but for sense under 100mA is good. Keep in mind you will get the occasionally spike here and there its just android and/or apps in the background. You can view the a chart of the battery data in Battery Monitor.
Instead of boring you guys with each task killer Ive used and its results, Ill just get down to what I found out in the end.
Basically, the way android 2.2+ works it really isn't necessary to run a task killer it does a decent job removing apps from memory when you need more memory. But at the same time I found running a task killer periodically (BUT not killing frequently used apps) results in a lower average mA drain leading to overall better battery life.
The best application I have used has to go Automatic Task Killer , trust me Ive used a lot from the top free ones to a few of the more popular paid ones. What this task killer does is kill a selection of apps you allow it too every time your phones screen shuts off and goes idle. On Automatic Task Killer's first boot your shown a screen of every application that could at some point run in the background on your phone. This part sucks a little bit but it is worth it, you need to select which of the apps you want to allow it to kill automatically. It does not kill foreground apps the ones you currently have open on the screen aka a browser or a game. Example your playing NFS: Shift and your boss walks by so you quickly pause and hit the power button turning off the screen, next time you turn the screen on it will kill all other allowed background apps but your game will still be up front and center.
Now the trick is to go thru and set it to kill apps you know your phone won't automatically just restart or you don't use 90% of the time. So don't select things like Dialer, Contacts, Clock, Calendar, Messages or apps you constantly use/check such as a third party SMS app or your main E-Mail Client or third party keyboards (various by person and what you use most). Letting the app automatically kill those is just going to lead to worse battery life because your phone will just restart it each time leading to more CPU cycles (not what you want and part of the reason some consider task killers bad things).
Also, when using any task killer and killing the proper apps sense seems runs smoother, a big deal with sense 3.0.
Re-calibrate Battery: After you flash a new rom or start using a new battery, you should use your recovery (CWM or other) to Wipe Battery Stats. Before you do this make sure your battery is at 100% and has been on the charger for over an hour with the fully charged green led on. This will allow your device to better drain your battery and can really help battery life.
So hopefully with a little messing around you can get a good setup where your phone lasts you all day without having to constantly keep changing settings and watching your battery life. All while everything stays syncing and instant. Hope this helps!
Thanks to people who have contributed:
-JadeSoturi
*ROOT Section (now that we have s-off )
Everything posted above can be done on any rom, rooted or none. There has been a lot of posts on "freezing apps" that you dont need or typically use, which does in fact really help battery life. Since, we (by we i mean sensation users) now have a permanent root this is my tiny second part of the guide for rooted devices.
I dont freeze my apps I prefer them to be gone for good if its something I dont see myself using or its bloat that came with my phone/rom. Since 98% of us will be using custom roms now this usually isnt an issue since most dev's r good at what they do and remove all the bs we dont need or normally use. Still there is some apps we may not want on our phones so for that I use SystemApp Remover . Its a great App for people who dont want to have to worry about going in manually and getting rid of system apps.
Its just basically an Uninstaller that allows you to access any and every app on the phone for you to uninstall (thats y roots needed). For me I just go in an drop the apps I know i wont use. A lot of roms come with carrier add-ons and such, those I normally delete as well as a few HTC sense widgets and apps I see no need for. It will free up space and increase your phones battery life with most things you delete.
Now, be careful. You are prompted upon opening SystemApp Remover that messing in system apps is dangerous and it is. If your not sure what something is DONT touch it, simply do a google search or ask around to see if its safe to remove first.
Nice to have needed guides posted. Hopefully someone will see fit to add this to the Stickies. Thanks.
no problem glad to give back.
itd be nice to have my first sticky, maybe when some people start noticing results and the thread picks up
Leaving GPS on has NO impact on battery life unless you have an app that is actively using it (you will notice the little satellite icon in the notification bar).
Thanks your this what is the automatic task killer you used because there are a few when I search on the market and wasn't sure which one to get?
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TheBiles said:
Leaving GPS on has NO impact on battery life unless you have an app that is actively using it (you will notice the little satellite icon in the notification bar).
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Updated OP. I do still notice slightly higher mA when it is enabled even if theres no apps using it
Thanks for the info, I'm trying out the automatic task killer to see how it affects my battery life.
Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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No offense bro, but you should read his entire post before you start ripping it apart. It looks like he put a lot of effort into it. He explains his reasoning for the task killer with evidence and it makes sense.
Thanks OP, I'm using your suggestions already. Will update soon.
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No offense bro, but you should read his entire post before you start ripping it apart. It looks like he put a lot of effort into it. He explains his reasoning for the task killer with evidence and it makes sense.
Thanks OP, I'm using your suggestions already. Will update soon.
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With more evidence than the article I posted? Yeah, right.
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Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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I address the fact that android doesnt need a task killer but if you read the whole thing automatic task killer lets you choose which apps to kill, leaving out worry of killing system apps that just restart.
Also, this is for battery life and performance, my battery's mA drains slower when i use a task killer for non system apps as well as keeps Sense 3.0 running smoother. I have had sense bog down on me a few times when not keeping a task killer handy.
It isnt necessary to have have a task killer and in the average users hands it can cause more harm than good. But this threads helping to school people on a way for better battery life using a safer method than a BASIC KILL ALL task killer.
Lastly, why did they include a task killer with my android if they dont think we need one?
TheBiles said:
Oh, and I didn't even read the bottom of your post. DO NOT USE TASK KILLERS WITH ANDROID. PERIOD.
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Wow, that was helpful. What a waste of an attempt to incite a useless forum war.
@ bobzoz
Nicely put, it will definitely help the newbies to android and made me think twice about a couple of things even though I'm on my 4th android phone.
bobzoz said:
I address the fact that android doesnt need a task killer but if you read the whole thing automatic task killer lets you choose which apps to kill, leaving out worry of killing system apps that just restart.
Also, this is for battery life and performance, my battery's mA drains slower when i use a task killer for non system apps as well as keeps Sense 3.0 running smoother. I have had sense bog down on me a few times when not keeping a task killer handy.
It isnt necessary to have have a task killer and in the average users hands it can cause more harm than good. But this threads helping to school people on a way for better battery life using a safer method than a BASIC KILL ALL task killer.
Lastly, why did they include a task killer with my android if they dont think we need one?
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The same reason HTC and T-Mobile included all of that other BLOATWARE crap.
dazzlet said:
Thanks your this what is the automatic task killer you used because there are a few when I search on the market and wasn't sure which one to get?
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Updated OP with links, good call
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The same reason HTC and T-Mobile included all of that other BLOATWARE crap.
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It's made by Google, not HTC or T-mobile.
Im just sharing how with people how I get good battery life. Trying to help out, if you dont agree with my method than just dont use it and ignore this thread.
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Its made by Google, not HTC or T-mobile.
Im just sharing how with people how I get good battery life. Trying to help out, if you dont agree with my method than just dont use it and ignore this thread.
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That looks like part of HTC's Sense. You definitely won't find that in AOSP Android.
TheBiles said:
That looks like part of HTC's Sense. You definitely won't find that in AOSP Android.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
Apps section.
Im not trying to have a battle man just ignore the thread if you dont agree with it. Easy stuff
bobzoz said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
Apps section.
Im not trying to have a battle man just ignore the thread if you dont agree with it. Easy stuff
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Wow, you cited Wikipedia. Credible info there!
I'm only trying to help out the other forum users who are being mislead. I've been through a lot of Android devices and spent a lot of time focusing on things like this, and I know what I'm talking about.
Edit: And the only task killer you will find made by Google is the one within Android OS itself. Go download an AOSP build of Android with the latest Google Apps and let me know when you find a task-killer app.
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Wow, you cited Wikipedia. Credible info there!
I'm only trying to help out the other forum users who are being mislead. I've been through a lot of Android devices and spent a lot of time focusing on things like this, and I know what I'm talking about.
Edit: And the only task killer you will find made by Google is the one within Android OS itself. Go download an AOSP build of Android with the latest Google Apps and let me know when you find a task-killer app.
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Im just sharing what works for me and like i said in the OP ive been doing this for a long time too. If you want to continue coming at me please do it thru a PM.
So, I've heard the new update 2.21.401.10 still has the well known limited multitasking issues (see YT videos for One X, it's the same for us: http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...0.0.0.119.352.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.R68YKWQ8QnE )?? Is it true? How can we persuade HTC to keep standard Android multitasking?
I've also heard the audio issues (crackles, trashed sounds, some micro-stutters sound-related. You can easily notice this with games, f.e. Pinball Arcade or Mame4Droid etc. Won't hear these problems on GS2 and other Android phones) are still there too, so the audio driver is still the same.
Should I go back to GS2? Multitasking problem is very important for me...
I don't have issues with sound now, never have. A lot of games ether aren't compatible completely (gta 3), and others are just trash audio. If you want to test audio run a GOOD mp3 file, if it crackles its your phone....
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the multitasking of the one X and S isnt' bugged, it is in this way for a choice of HTC. Basically the system doesn't left completly open apps but it freeze them which is almost the same of restart the app from zero more or less. This is because HTC want to keep some resources free to have a more fluid sense experience.
Anyway if you have an unlocked device you can flash this script http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27318828#post27318828 that should give you real multitasking and leave the cool HTC interface ( the task manager ) to swith from an app to another. I would try it but I don't want to unlock my device at the moment.
none of the scripts work. wait till developers will fix it on kernel level. no other solutions here.
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So, I've heard the new update 2.21.401.10 still has the well known limited multitasking issues (see YT videos for One X, it's the same for us: )?? Is it true? How can we persuade HTC to keep standard Android multitasking?
I've also heard the audio issues (crackles, trashed sounds, some micro-stutters sound-related. You can easily notice this with games, f.e. Pinball Arcade or Mame4Droid etc. Won't hear these problems on GS2 and other Android phones) are still there too, so the audio driver is still the same.
Should I go back to GS2? Multitasking problem is very important for me...
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I agree with hexaae. It's worth nothing having a super-fluid UI if it means killing your opened browser when you try to live it in background. You just can't browse between browser and email: how is this supposed to be called multitasking??
I really believe this choice of HTC's is senseless... On a smartphone with 1GB of RAM...
Edit1: by the way, what is the "background processes limit" option in "development options" supposed to do? Possible values are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, default.
Edit2: would it be an idea to make a poll and see how many people would be interested in this?
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none of the scripts work. wait till developers will fix it on kernel level. no other solutions here.
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why do you say that it doesn't work? On the thread some guys has reported that it works!
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why do you say that it doesn't work? On the thread some guys has reported that it works!
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It worked for me, problem was the battery started draining like crazy. Which got me thinking, the reason HTC did this was battery life. Nothing else. Sense was still just as smooth for me, but apps would multi task like I used to, but my battery would last less than half as long. So I went back to stock and am getting decent battle life again.
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MadJoe said:
It worked for me, problem was the battery started draining like crazy. Which got me thinking, the reason HTC did this was battery life. Nothing else. Sense was still just as smooth for me, but apps would multi task like I used to, but my battery would last less than half as long. So I went back to stock and am getting decent battle life again.
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Well this is quite natural, you should manually clear everything once that you put the phone on stand-by ( and here the cool HTC task manager interface lack of a " close all" button ) or if you don't want to do this you can put task killer widget on the home that kill everything by a tap. Anyway this would kill also the background process not started by you which is not good so HTC should really put a "close everything" button on task manager interface so we can kill just recent apps opened by the user and not from the system.
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it works for about "10 minutes". all script "fixes" are nothing more than a placebo.
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it works for about "10 minutes". all script "fixes" are nothing more than a placebo.
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That is not true. Yes, the multitasking is not stock quality... but the scripts do have a noticeable effect that improves performance (assuming you have enough free memory).
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it works for about "10 minutes". all script "fixes" are nothing more than a placebo.
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this shouldn't be a script ment to improove performance, this should be something that it works or not, an off/on ...
light_n_roses said:
Well this is quite natural, you should manually clear everything once that you put the phone on stand-by ( and here the cool HTC task manager interface lack of a " close all" button ) or if you don't want to do this you can put task killer widget on the home that kill everything by a tap. Anyway this would kill also the background process not started by you which is not good so HTC should really put a "close everything" button on task manager interface so we can kill just recent apps opened by the user and not from the system.
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It lacks the close all option because it is not needed. You dont have to close any apps unless they are something that need to be operating all the time like music player when it is playing songs or navigator and stuff like that. There is no difference for your batterylife whether you clear the "recent apps" list or not. And its called "recent apps" for a reason because it means that it has nothing to do with the fact is that application actually running or not. It has always being like that in android. It just makes it easier to jump between apps.
Using task killers and such only increases battery usage since the app it has closed needs to be loaded again when you use it the next time instead of it being just unfreezed from the memory.
HTC has set the automatic killer which kills apps on the background when running out of memory way too aggressive when you compare that to how it works on vanilla ICS or even older HTC phones running android 2.2 or 2.3.
However the latest update made multitask way better for One S. And Iam talking about the one which updatet android version to 4.0.4. Now you can jump between many apps without the fear of them closing immediately so Iam very happy with that now and it works as its should be.
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However the latest update made multitask way better for One S. And Iam talking about the one which updatet android version to 4.0.4. Now you can jump between many apps without the fear of them closing immediately so Iam very happy with that now and it works as its should be.
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I've read comments by users who installed latest update and still have the limited multitasking issue (I'm waiting for the OTA update in Italy). Are you saying instead this has been "fixed"...?
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I've read comments by users who installed latest update and still have the limited multitasking issue (I'm waiting for the OTA update in Italy). Are you saying instead this has been "fixed"...?
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Well its working fine for me. I can now jump between 4-6 fairly light programs and 2-3 heavier ones without the previous app always closing like before the update.
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Well its working fine for me. I can now jump between 4-6 fairly light programs and 2-3 heavier ones without the previous app always closing like before the update.
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Actually I still don't know because I do not have the last updated, I'm waiting that it goes online on automatic update.....
Hope you are right!
Paqu1 said:
Well its working fine for me. I can now jump between 4-6 fairly light programs and 2-3 heavier ones without the previous app always closing like before the update.
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Please can you test this?
Open Google in the stock browser and type in something to search (but don't start searching!)... then switch between other apps and finally go back to the browser. Does it still reload and delete your input text?
I'm going to test the script now. Available memory is not an issue for me, as I removed Sense and am running Nova Launcher. My available memory usually sits around +230, ranging from 170-270. Haven't seen it drop below that. As for battery life, as long as you actually use the HTC multitask button and kill the apps that you don't want to go back to, the battery shouldn't really be affected, or at least the only effect will be a result of the apps that you actually want running, so it's a trade off, right? Keep in mind that means not killing the processes that will be automatically restarted by Android (ie using an auto task killer, or some pre Froyo type apps), only user apps that you recently launched and are now killing.
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As for battery life, as long as you actually use the HTC multitask button and kill the apps that you don't want to go back to, the battery shouldn't really be affected, or at least the only effect will be a result of the apps that you actually want running, so it's a trade off, right? Keep in mind that means not killing the processes that will be automatically restarted by Android (ie using an auto task killer, or some pre Froyo type apps), only user apps that you recently launched and are now killing.
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Oh god, didn't I just explained this few post earlier? You dont have to do any of that since it DOESNT have any impact to your battery life. Go ahead and test it if you dont believe me.
hexaae said:
Please can you test this?
Open Google in the stock browser and type in something to search (but don't start searching!)... then switch between other apps and finally go back to the browser. Does it still reload and delete your input text?
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Ok, I just did what you asked. After doing that with the default browser I was able to jump between Dolphin HD which had two tabs open, youtube app and chrome without any of them closing. And I even went to home screen between them. I think thats pretty good compared how it worked previously. Because then often it was enough if I just jumped to homescreen and then right back the previous app to make it close.
Confirmed.
Official stock ROM, via OTA, ver. 2.31.401.5... and there IS multitasking, finally! Task manager is much more conservative (around 70-80% of cases) with executed apps in the multitasking-history-menu...
Yes, also the browser now won't reload pages if you switch to the mail app for a moment and go back...
~200MB free mem.