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[Q] HTC Desire S s-Off and ROOT

Hi there everybody,
I'm probably in the wrong section of the forum, and my questions are nubby I know, but I get confused.
My Desire S is S-ON, and I would like to get is S-OFF. Is this possible, because it is needed to be able to root the phone right?
And an offtopic question, what is a flash-able app, and what is the difference with a normal custom .apk which can be installed from the sd card.
Thanks in advance

eurynox said:
Hi there everybody,
I'm probably in the wrong section of the forum, and my questions are nubby I know, but I get confused.
My Desire S is S-ON, and I would like to get is S-OFF. Is this possible, because it is needed to be able to root the phone right?
And an offtopic question, what is a flash-able app, and what is the difference with a normal custom .apk which can be installed from the sd card.
Thanks in advance
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Software S-OFF is not possible yet (Only Hardware - XTC Clip)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012045

So its not possible to root yet?
Is there work in progress?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

eurynox said:
So its not possible to root yet?
Is there work in progress?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App
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so far, no one ever mention about developing one. so, you might need to wait. if you can't wait, just get someone with XTC clip to do it for ya...

Can anyone tell me what S-OFF means? Thank you!

Bogdanbd said:
Can anyone tell me what S-OFF means? Thank you!
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Yet another lazy boy...
http://tinyurl.com/4xhq2u7

It seems that HTC reverse its decision to block everything on the latest versions, after the petition that circulated on the net, requesting the release.
See article below:
htc-reviewing-its-bootloader-policy-well-believe-it-when-we-see-it/
and the other:
confirmed-evo-3ds-bootloader-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/

philos64 said:
It seems that HTC reverse its decision to block everything on the latest versions, after the petition that circulated on the net, requesting the release.
See article below:
htc-reviewing-its-bootloader-policy-well-believe-it-when-we-see-it/
and the other:
confirmed-evo-3ds-bootloader-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/
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Actually, no.
From the same article:
"In short: custom ROMs, kernels, and recoveries (like ClockworkMod) may never come to the EVO 3D, barring some kind of epic HTC screw-up."

New security update for HTC Sensation!

Hey guys I just got this notification. The security patch that was mentioned earlier is released

were you rooted when you got this?
yeah thats the security patch

Pikabat said:
Hey guys I just got this notification. Is this the security patch that was mentioned earlier?
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Seems like it is, the security patch was reported to be 10mb in size, just like this one.

Still no update for me. Tmobile USA, Michgian

Nope , no root , stock rom and operator free. I forgot to take the screenshot at that moment but now I recall that update description mentioned something about it. Good on HTC they released it pretty fast and on a day ICS was announced

O2 UK Just received it
S-OFF, was rooted

Whats this patch supposed to do?
Am I missing out on something?
Matt

mrg02d said:
Whats this patch supposed to do?
Am I missing out on something?
Matt
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ii want to know the same thing good question

Maybe it is the "old" one. Because there was an update a week ago, somebody is slow moving here *cough* OP *cough*

TheStigx said:
Maybe it is the "old" one. Because there was an update a week ago, somebody is slow moving here *cough* OP *cough*
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LOL
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

In Thailand also got this notification too since couple day ago.

got mine on XE too
Just did a quick search for updates when I saw this thread and got one on my new XE - the same one I guess?
Thought I might not need it with a brand new phone but any other XE users reading this... you do
Thanks
Stewart

stewarta13wsb said:
Just did a quick search for updates when I saw this thread and got one on my new XE - the same one I guess?
Thought I might not need it with a brand new phone but any other XE users reading this... you do
Thanks
Stewart
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My XE is also brandnew...bought it Oktober 7th....it is already rooted, s_offed, supercid and cw-recovery ...can I Do that Update?

I have the same update alert, and when I download updates and click install now, it turns off and a symbol appears and nothing happens, and then I should remove the battery and then turn it on again. and it does not installed!

m.m.m said:
I have the same update alert, and when I download updates and click install now, it turns off and a symbol appears and nothing happens, and then I should remove the battery and then turn it on again. and it does not installed!
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It's mentioned in several places that you've to have a stockrom to install the update. No rooting, no nothing.

Anyone receive ICS FOTA?

Like my title, whose Sensation / XE already receive ICS FOTA ?because i saw some forum post the HTC official Europe ICS RUU for public download, i suspect that is fake official RUU.

The posted RUUs are leaked. They were built by HTC.

Not fake, im using it atm, runs perfectly

bitnes said:
Not fake, im using it atm, runs perfectly
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screenshots of hardware/software properties please?

bitnes said:
Not fake, im using it atm, runs perfectly
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Just to inform you, I accept PMs with ICS ruu link.

Too hard to search? Really? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1408961

freco said:
Just to inform you, I accept PMs with ICS ruu link.
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Lol, same for me!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using xda premium

TamCore said:
Too hard to search? Really? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1408961
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That's old news (beta). I think they were talking about a new stable official RUU.

Just seen someone comment about a new ota earlier on Google+. Could happen.

Shay D. Life said:
Just seen someone comment about a new ota earlier on Google+. Could happen.
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There is a finished ICS, and some HTC employees are using it, I seen a Sensation XE running the final version today (see my other post in general)....now hopefully one of the devs contacts can get hold of a copy of it, well, we will be laughing

im s-off and rooted will i have to s-on to update via ota?

dmcb123 said:
im s-off and rooted will i have to s-on to update via ota?
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That can be found with the search button but iirc:
If you update the update will be downloaded but not installed
Then you have to boot in recovery and install updaet yourself

nothing new from HTC sources?

Need advice before rooting a new Desire S :D

Hi all,
I am new to android and just* want to root my phone as many apps demand your phone to be rooted such as full backup apps, firewall apps and other similar apps.
I am still on HTC's stock 2.3.3 with HTC sense v.2.1 (though i have downloaded the OTA update for 2.3.5 but kinda confused over negative reviews of 2.3.5 update..so I am holding it here right now)
But when I saw a guide here though quite helpful but I was a bit confused as what I read on other articles on XDA + on other blogs that a thing called HBOOT is a bit tricky to tackle while following a particular rooting method; as there are many ways to root like using revolutionary..installing custom bootloaders etc (is it really neccessary? I just want to root my phone and don't plan to install any custom ROMs in near future.)
I am confused
- as to should I really let my warranty go off the table as its just a month old phone sacrificing it for just a few apps I want to use.
- Please tell me that, will I be able to search for and install the officially released OTA updates such as the 2.3.5 / ICS after I have done S-OFF + Rooted my phone??
If answer to both of the questions above is a "YES"
then plz tell me step by step of how to S-OFF and ROOT my phone (I found multiple ways to Root the phone and now I am confused and not really confident on which way/approach to follow)
Any advice would be appreciated.
Regards,
Sky770

If you want to root, do not download the OTA and install!!
You are in a great position, and you can easily root your hboot with the alpharevx.
Do it, you won't regret it.
Also, we can't give you step by step guides... Follow the index links.
Also, you can't install updates after rooted. But you won't need to. We will have the official ICS prerooted before.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

Revolutionary now, not AlphaRevX
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2

olyloh6696 said:
If you want to root, do not download the OTA and install!!
You are in a great position, and you can easily root your hboot with the alpharevx.
Do it, you won't regret it.
Also, we can't give you step by step guides... Follow the index links.
Also, you can't install updates after rooted. But you won't need to. We will have the official ICS prerooted before.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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well..
dan-fish said:
Revolutionary now, not AlphaRevX
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2
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Thx for both of you replying here..
LOL accidentally pressed "thanks" for dan-fish so had to do the same for olyloh6696 (I mean should express gratitude towards both of you..but its actually better if I had done it at the end/mark the thread as "solved" )
Looks like we have a standoff here.. which one guys? the alpharevX or the revolutionary?

sky770 said:
well..
Thx for both of you replying here..
LOL accidentally pressed "thanks" for dan-fish so had to do the same for olyloh6696 (I mean should express gratitude towards both of you..but its actually better if I had done it at the end/mark the thread as "solved" )
Looks like we have a standoff here.. which one guys? the alpharevX or the revolutionary?
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Both are the same alpharevX is the old name for revolutionary
Tapatalked from a Desire S waiting for Kernel 3 sources. WAKE UP HTC!!!!!!

Revolutionary, alpharevx was before

Yeah oops my bad! Shows how far behind I am with the rooting buisness! I can't even remember how I rooted mine exactly now!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

suku_patel_22 said:
Both are the same alpharevX is the old name for revolutionary
Tapatalked from a Desire S waiting for Kernel 3 sources. WAKE UP HTC!!!!!!
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I was wishing for you only to land here..voila
eyahl said:
Revolutionary, alpharevx was before
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Thx for the update.. yep just read it on revolutionary.io's home page
olyloh6696 said:
Yeah oops my bad! Shows how far behind I am with the rooting buisness! I can't even remember how I rooted mine exactly now!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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:| looks like am here for that now
ok guys here is my HBOOT info:
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saga pvt ship s-on RL
hboot-0.98.0002
radio-3805.06.02.03_M
eMMC-boot
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So, should I be worried about the HBOOT ver. number? the 0.98 ? :|

You should be less worried that the hboot is 0.98....
No need of downgrading,
It's simple, just do revolutionary....
And you will have S-off
And yes, don't download the OTA
Tapatalked from a Desire S waiting for Kernel 3 sources. WAKE UP HTC!!!!!!

There's a video in the index thread on How to root and S Off the HTC desire S ... Follow the instructions & u r good to go!!!

suku_patel_22 said:
You should be less worried that the hboot is 0.98....
No need of downgrading,
It's simple, just do revolutionary....
And you will have S-off
And yes, don't download the OTA
Tapatalked from a Desire S waiting for Kernel 3 sources. WAKE UP HTC!!!!!!
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ok.. I really have no idea about what happens and what not happens if i do downgrade my HBOOT but I see many people here on XDA done that (downgraded their HBOOT) Can you shed some light on this topic?
Also, I would definitely want to try official 2.3.5 and/or the official ICS release (whenever they release one; around Q3/Q4 2012? ) so is there any* way to install these if I do revolutionary? I would def. like to find these updates via OTA (will my phone detect these from official HTC servers?)
PS: I am trying to stay as long as with official ROM as of now :| so no near future plans to flash my baby with a custom one
Just need the root
just a few more noob questions to follow
Thanks for reading and replying

You will not thank me for this, but for your sake I suggest reading instead of writing. All of the info you're asking for is written in the guides, and people that write the guides don't have enough patience to answer those that don't bother reading and ask the same questions over and over. Writing questions instead of reading FAQs and guides leaves you with less probability of having a good answer or having an answer at all, and clutters the already cluttered forum.

sky770 said:
ok.. I really have no idea about what happens and what not happens if i do downgrade my HBOOT but I see many people here on XDA done that (downgraded their HBOOT) Can you shed some light on this topic?
Also, I would definIitely want to try official 2.3.5 and/or the official ICS release (whenever they release one; around Q3/Q4 2012? ) so is there any* way to install these if I do revolutionary? I would def. like to find these updates via OTA (will my phone detect these from official HTC servers?)
PS: I am trying to stay as long as with official ROM as of now :| so no near future plans to flash my baby with a custom one
Just need the root
just a few more noob questions to follow
Thanks for reading and replying
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As you are on the old hboot, there is no need of downgrading, that's why I said, do not install the upgrade.
We have a ROM, by Proxuser, which is the rooted version of the OTA with no modifications and will work out pretty well.
Once rooted you will not be able to receive any OTA upgraded, but IMHO, hardly matters, you will get the same and better versions out here.
We already have the leak of ICS build for desire S, and it's pretty fast, forget q3
Also we have very functional sense 4 lite, which is faster than sense 3.6
So again, do the revolutionary, it's quite simple actually for you, and flash the saga 3D,, for a stock experience
Tapatalked from a Desire S waiting for Kernel 3 sources. WAKE UP HTC!!!!!!

sky770 said:
ok.. I really have no idea about what happens and what not happens if i do downgrade my HBOOT but I see many people here on XDA done that (downgraded their HBOOT) Can you shed some light on this topic?
Also, I would definitely want to try official 2.3.5 and/or the official ICS release (whenever they release one; around Q3/Q4 2012? ) so is there any* way to install these if I do revolutionary? I would def. like to find these updates via OTA (will my phone detect these from official HTC servers?)
PS: I am trying to stay as long as with official ROM as of now :| so no near future plans to flash my baby with a custom one
Just need the root
just a few more noob questions to follow
Thanks for reading and replying
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Well the beauty of rooting is trying out custom ROMs... I don't think you should root if you don't intend too. You seriously won't regret it. Just take a NAND backup, you can always restore to it if you don't like the custom ROMs.
And as I have said before...
No, you can't get OTAs once rooted, but you can still install these maually, and you will be able to do it way before the update actually hits your phone 'officially'.
As we have said too, you are in a good position. No need to downgrade at all. Your hboot version is the right one.

Jack_R1 said:
You will not thank me for this, but for your sake I suggest reading instead of writing. All of the info you're asking for is written in the guides, and....
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:|
well..thats what forums are for..uhmmm? to ask people about your doubts and things you don't understand simply. period. anyways..thx for motivating me to through 100+ threads
suku_patel_22 said:
We already have the leak of ICS build for desire S, and it's pretty fast, forget q3
Also we have very functional sense 4 lite, which is faster than sense 3.6.....
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thx bro I have not upgraded my 2.3.3 to 2.3.5 so np
well can you name me the ROM which is the ICS build for htc desire S + has the sense 4 lite (faster than sense 3.6? :O )
olyloh6696 said:
Well the beauty of rooting is trying out custom ROMs... I don't think you should root if you don't intend too.....
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Right.. When I acually was craving for a droid I was crazy as hell to root n try out new ROMs but... when I got an HTC I was simply hands down n thought not to touch this beauty. HTC Desire S is quite a package at this cheap price + hardware config.
PS: just a last ques. for now: which OS is the recommended one? I do have linux mint 10 32 bit edition installed on my machine; its a bit old.. rarely updated the packages n all AND I have windows 7 ultimate 64 bit edition ..so which one would you recommend me to root with?
Thanks a lot guys.
I'll get on it.. and will tell you how things go
Regards,
sky770

Well i felt the same too. It's great out if the box, but you can achieve so much more when rooted.
Do it. Also, Windows 7 is easier.
ROMs? Have you checked the dev forum yet?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

sky770 said:
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well..thats what forums are for..uhmmm? to ask people about your doubts and things you don't understand simply. period. anyways..thx for motivating me to through 100+ threads
thx bro I have not upgraded my 2.3.3 to 2.3.5 so np
well can you name me the ROM which is the ICS build for htc desire S + has the sense 4 lite (faster than sense 3.6? :O )
Right.. When I acually was craving for a droid I was crazy as hell to root n try out new ROMs but... when I got an HTC I was simply hands down n thought not to touch this beauty. HTC Desire S is quite a package at this cheap price + hardware config.
PS: just a last ques. for now: which OS is the recommended one? I do have linux mint 10 32 bit edition installed on my machine; its a bit old.. rarely updated the packages n all AND I have windows 7 ultimate 64 bit edition ..so which one would you recommend me to root with?
Thanks a lot guys.
I'll get on it.. and will tell you how things go
Regards,
sky770
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First thing, you dont need to read 100+ threads, the index is in my signature with all sorts of information
STOCK ICS Sense 3.6: Virtuous Saga
Sense 4.0A(One V port): Fallout
And yes, any OS that you are comfortable with should be fine.. I did it on Win 7

sky770 said:
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well..thats what forums are for..uhmmm? to ask people about your doubts and things you don't understand simply. period. anyways..thx for motivating me to through 100+ threads
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No, that's not what forums are for. You should probably look at the name of the forum and think, what does "-developers" part stand for, and why isn't it called "XDA-users-in-doubt-that-are-too-lazy-to-bother-reading". Your "period" you can use elsewhere.
To your last question: Windows is what the guides are written for, so doing everything on Windows will be better - it won't require you to understand and "translate" everything to Linux.

Jack_R1 said:
No, that's not what forums are for. You should probably look at the name of the forum and think, what does "-developers" part stand for, and why isn't it called "XDA-users-in-doubt-that-are-too-lazy-to-bother-reading".
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(wish I could give this a thumbs up too )

@sky770... The guys are right, In my opinion it's only worth rooting your device if you plan to try a couple of custom ROM's. You seriously won't regret. HTC have a habit of leaving some of the older devices to "fall & die" without providing updates. Through the hard work and determination of some of these guys on here, You will not only have your handset kept alive but also at the same level as some as HTC's flagship devices.
As for recommendation on ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679125

RUU 1.94.6

I managed to get my hands on a newer RUU and can confirm bootloader unlock, cwm and rooting are still working.

xiambax said:
I managed to get my hands on a newer RUU and can confirm bootloader unlock, cwm and rooting are still working.
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ok so are you going to upload it?

really??
for ATT?

i doubt its for att

Seems to vague to me
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

ok well can you tell us what has been fixed and if its android 4.0.4 or still 4.0.3

Please get in contact with someone that can check for any special blockers and checks. Maybe we can extract a radio and keep you employed :thumbup:
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

Yeah there are ways of extracting info and keeping you anonymous
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Shenanigans.... I call shenanigans
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

maybe posting the build.prop will give us more info? android version etc.

when the update arrives OTA can I update directly through the software update if i am rooted?

Tell us if it has a different hboot version. The new EVO ota added a much more strict hboot, as well as added wp to more partitions. Those who accepted, that were not already s off can no longer s off, cannot flash kernals, or radios while unlocked. Is hboot updated??? A yes or no should not jeopardize your employment and could offer the community enough time to warn the members. Thus avoiding the forum being flooded with the people silly enough to accept an ota posting help me threads all over the place
...........My EVO Ways..........
(You can S-Off for all I care)

Thanks for the heads up! I'm glad to finally see an OTA update is coming from Rogers.

why bother making a post if your not going to upload it?
I call bullshiz
Oh BTW, I have RUU 1.94.7 and confirm bootloader unlocked and cool stuff

Simpsons did it.

xiambax said:
http://imgur.com/a/mCn8f#0
Happy?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbs8OTEauHc

Can you tell me what the kernel build date is in About Phone?

xiambax said:
Not showing, I do recall seeing something about early june though.
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Okay, thank you!

18th.abn said:
Tell us if it has a different hboot version. The new EVO ota added a much more strict hboot, as well as added wp to more partitions. Those who accepted, that were not already s off can no longer s off, cannot flash kernals, or radios while unlocked. Is hboot updated??? A yes or no should not jeopardize your employment and could offer the community enough time to warn the members. Thus avoiding the forum being flooded with the people silly enough to accept an ota posting help me threads all over the place
...........My EVO Ways..........
(You can S-Off for all I care)
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Hboot isn't necessarily what's closing the exploit. Sbl is more likely.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Thank you for the clarification beaups. I wasn't trying to imply that the hboot itself will be responsible for all the added security and patches.
It would be the updated hboot that enforces Sig checks for kernal and radio flashing, right? Or is it a new hboot version because its a MAY be a newly wp partition?
(^^^^^all based on speculation that these security patches are indeed applied of course)
............My EVO Ways...........
(You Can S-Off For All I Care)