There is a battery conditioning procedure recommended by HTC - probably would work with any battery
To also help with Battery Life you can do these steps exactly:
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well
The above is a cut-and-paste from the G2x forum, which also was a cut-and-paste.
Is this for any HTC device or for Sensation or any LiION in general?
Is this only for one time or everyday?
Personally, I don't think it will work.
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one time.
it takes a while to do so do the 8 hours overnight, but it did improve my battery life a lot and same with everyone in the g2x forum who tried it. also it was said to do a factory reset before doing this procedure. with a full charge. but it was not part of the procedure that HTC made , the OP post. a factory reset is always good to do on a new phone IMHO though.
This should definitely work. Batteries develop a 'memory' and I always go through a similar process when I first get new devices. I discharge them completely. Then turn them off to charge completely and then discharge completely once more before normal use.
Battery "memory" only applies to the Nickel Cadmium days. Lithium Ion batteries do not have memory effects:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lithium-ion-battery.htm
"If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined."
that is correct. li-ion batteries do not have "the memory effect". but this does seem to help setup the battery for best performance. it's been tested and tried at the g2x forum where i came from, and this method was released from HTC. someone just pasted it over on the g2x general forums since initially the battery had some serious issues. try it and repost. whats the worst that could happen? full battery?
This is called bump charging ave last time I checked nobody officially endorses it because it ruins the lifespan of LI-Ion batteries...
Cheek your sources dude. If HTC recommended it you wouldn't have to cut and paste it from forum posts to disseminate the idea. They would just put it in the User's Manuals for their devices.
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Plus, what is HTC doing making battery recommendations for LG devices (G2x)?
i tried this, it helps. here is the original post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990 it was from an evo4g user
ps. i think that the phone some how is not giving the % of the battery correctly. i have notice if i charge the phone and as soon it says its charge i unplug it, the battery drains quickly. but if i let it plugged about an hour after its says that is fully charge the power consumption its really good. it last in average like 16 hours with normal use.
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This is called bump charging ave last time I checked nobody officially endorses it because it ruins the lifespan of LI-Ion batteries...
Cheek your sources dude. If HTC recommended it you wouldn't have to cut and paste it from forum posts to disseminate the idea. They would just put it in the User's Manuals for their devices.
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if you have a problem then don't do it. im reposting because it works for me and it was for HTC. it probably did come from the evo forum because it was a repost on the G2x. they did not say anything about a g2x. if you trolls have a problem then ignore the thread, move on, and F*ck off. im here to help people with what worked for me, and many many others. get off of XDA. we don't need people like you bringing the site down. i've known too many devs who bounced because of people like you. get out or shut up. especially if you're just here to argue with no evidence of your own.
i apologize to the others posters. nothing meant towards the other people, just the 2 who decided to waste time being trolls. not the evo4g guy either. he may have to original post. ive seen this a few places. and everything but the last line on the OP is copied and pasted from a g2x forum post.
p.s. i didn't say it was officially their stand point. my understanding is it was something people at HTC and tried and tired and seemed to work. actually it sorta says that in the OP in the blue at the bottom....
i wish we had more control of our profiles, posts, threads. that way i could ignore/ban/delete people who act like that.
i think you're right bro. just read that link. seems like that appears like the original. more info there too. im gonna save that. thanks
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if you have a problem then don't do it. im reposting because it works for me and it was for HTC. it probably did come from the evo forum because it was a repost on the G2x. they did not say anything about a g2x. if you trolls have a problem then ignore the thread, move on, and F*ck off. im here to help people with what worked for me, and many many others. get off of XDA. we don't need people like you bringing the site down. i've known too many devs who bounced because of people like you. get out or shut up. especially if you're just here to argue with no evidence of your own.
i apologize to the others posters. nothing meant towards the other people, just the 2 who decided to waste time being trolls. not the evo4g guy either. he may have to original post. ive seen this a few places. and everything but the last line on the OP is copied and pasted from a g2x forum post.
p.s. i didn't say it was officially their stand point. my understanding is it was something people at HTC and tried and tired and seemed to work. actually it sorta says that in the OP in the blue at the bottom....
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Actually you are the troll and ACTUALLY your post does say that it's recommended by HTC and actually this isn't news. It's bump charging and actually it means that you'll have to replace your battery sooner. And actually it's one thing to say that something works and one thing to say that it's a recommendation from the manufacturer of the phone.
Trollaz dey gon troll
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This procedure does make your battery last longer that one time you bump-charged it, but it unfortunately shortens the batteries life...
Here it is in detail:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
No need to fight about it
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i apologize to the others posters. nothing meant towards the other people, just the 2 who decided to waste time being trolls. not the evo4g guy either.
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Are you calling me a troll because I post a link about battery facts?
Hey OP, thanks for the post. It all depends on your preference anyway. Btw, do you really think we needa factory reset our device? Cos I got a lot of apps installed in my device which are not from market. Thanks in advance.
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This procedure does make your battery last longer that one time you bump-charged it, but it unfortunately shortens the batteries life...
Here it is in detail:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
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Very mixed bag "analysis". For so much effort he failed to answer the most basic questions.
Does bump charging the battery once provide a capacity advantage that persists? If so, how much of an advantage? Is it the 15% quoted figure? If doing it once only lasts a while then how often should it be done? And how much would that actually shorten the battery life? If the normal battery life is 1 year, and I can get 15% more capacity each day but shorten the life by 2 months I would bump charge. If it cuts the battery life in half I would still be tempted, since OEM replacement batteries aren't that expensive.
What would be useful is a graph of bump charging frequency, percent increased storage capacity, and battery life. With that information we could make rational decisions.
When we can root our phones, it's best to charge the phone on the new rom and delete batterystats.bin and let it drain to 0%
That way android knows what is 100% and what is 0% and how many volts it is.
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I think that you should edit your OP so that it does not say that bump charging is recommended by HTC, especially because it can and will lead to damaging your LI-Ion battery's overall lifespan and because it simply isn't true.
This is akin to creating a thread called "HTC phone improvement procedure" and then telling everyone that HTC recommends that they flush their phones down the toilet. Most people probably wouldn't believe you but it'd be pretty terrible if someone did simply because they believe that an experienced forum member wouldn't post mistruths that could lead to damaging their device or components of it, and claim that HTC recommends it.
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I just read the whole intire (every single freaking word) thread about official batterys in the accessory thread,and it delivered no answers. It seems as if the people in that thread would rather argue,than help the movement and find the best alternitive. Does anyone know of a battery for the inspire,that would deliver better battery life?
I have tried this aswell. Could not find answers ... being a heavy user , I did the next best thing. I Installed a ROM which gave me a good battery life. I am currently using Gingerbeast and I am pretty happy that it gets me through most of the day. This is 'my' solution until a decent battery with bigger capacity comes in.
I am sorry this is not the answer you were looking for... however , it may help someone who may want to go that route!
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I have tried this aswell. Could not find answers ... being a heavy user , I did the next best thing. I Installed a ROM which gave me a good battery life. I am currently using Gingerbeast and I am pretty happy that it gets me through most of the day. This is 'my' solution until a decent battery with bigger capacity comes in.
I am sorry this is not the answer you were looking for... however , it may help someone who may want to go that route!
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Yeah i def plan on rooting and flashing whatever sense rom there are,that was gonna be my next step after i receive the phone tomorrow. I know with my old cappy there was a rom that conerved battery and boosted my battery life by atleast 3 or 4 hours a day. Amazing what the devs can do,but me,im a VERY HEAVY user but im only using my phone from around 5pm until maybe 2am because of my work shcedule. I just hope a better battery comes out. My whole past week consisted of 2384720589 million google searches and reading through 84573809 million threads to see if i should get an atrix,or an inspire and i chose the inspire. After all the android phones ive had,i want this one to be something that makes me wanna stick with it for my 2 years. ehh,we'll see
If you guys want good battery. I have my wife's inspire running inspired saga rom using the 12.35..... radio and using juice defender and she avgs 1d 4hrs on one single charge with the stock battery. Just thought i would share that. Also it is 100% stable.
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If you guys want good battery. I have my wife's inspire running inspired saga rom using the 12.35..... radio and using juice defender and she avgs 1d 4hrs on one single charge with the stock battery. Just thought i would share that. Also it is 100% stable.
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Yeah, I am using juice defender as well. Not a fan of the fact that it toggles my data on a schedule ... but hey... it sure helps.
Yeah , some replacement battery is sure to come along ! Right now, you are probably better off flashing the right rom and working with it a little bit. I am sure when a genuine/ good quality high capacity battery comes in.... we will surely see the "OMG...Inspire's new battery can power my house" threads
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Yeah , some replacement battery is sure to come along ! Right now, you are probably better off flashing the right rom and working with it a little bit. I am sure when a genuine/ good quality high capacity battery comes in.... we will surely see the "OMG...Inspire's new battery can power my house" threads
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The thing is, due to the design of the phone, there's not a lot of wiggle room to make a larger capacity battery.
A larger capacity battery has to be physically bigger in size. That works for phones that have the battery on the back side of the phone, because you can provide a modified battery cover to accommodate it.
The inspire, not so easy, as it slips inside the phone, from the side, so the only dimension that could be enlarged is the length.
A little more length *might* be possible, but it would be a tight squeeze, and probably wouldn't result in that much of an increase in capacity.
Better to try to focus on optimizing the phone with the existing battery, by way of roms and such, as mentioned, instead of holding your breath waiting for some dramatic advance in battery technology to appear that allows more juice to be stored in the same physical space.
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The thing is, due to the design of the phone, there's not a lot of wiggle room to make a larger capacity battery.
A larger capacity battery has to be physically bigger in size. That works for phones that have the battery on the back side of the phone, because you can provide a modified battery cover to accommodate it.
The inspire, not so easy, as it slips inside the phone, from the side, so the only dimension that could be enlarged is the length.
A little more length *might* be possible, but it would be a tight squeeze, and probably wouldn't result in that much of an increase in capacity.
Better to try to focus on optimizing the phone with the existing battery, by way of roms and such, as mentioned, instead of holding your breath waiting for some dramatic advance in battery technology to appear that allows more juice to be stored in the same physical space.
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is the evo's battery thicker or wider? i know the evo's wont work but i know it cant be too much bigger
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The only possible way to get a larger capacity battery would be very tricky. It would require a battery door that had power posts to contact the battery contacts, while maintaining connection of the required contact points on the battery door. Sounds simple enough, but trust me, the development and production costs of said battery would prolly far outweigh potential profit. As a result, I don't think we'll ever see one those type batteries. I suggest following the advice of the other members previous replies, as their insight is that of a Jedi Master. More like, we are Droidi, they are Droidi Masters. Lmao
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Why couldn't they just stick a battery pack that attaches to the back of the phone, and have a wire with a little adapter that goes into the normal battery spot. Make a rubber case to go around it, and hot dang, ta-da you're done.
For me, I use an iSound 8000mAh battery that's about 2 pounds, and cost me all of $80. A bit steap, but being able to fully charge my phone a handful of times on the go makes it worth it to me.
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Why couldn't they just stick a battery pack that attaches to the back of the phone, and have a wire with a little adapter that goes into the normal battery spot. Make a rubber case to go around it, and hot dang, ta-da you're done.
For me, I use an iSound 8000mAh battery that's about 2 pounds, and cost me all of $80. A bit steap, but being able to fully charge my phone a handful of times on the go makes it worth it to me.
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Sheesh, you use your phone *that* much? I mean, how about a couple more stock batteries and an external charging dock?
Two pounds is a bit more than most people want to lug around.
The type of setup you suggest sounds like the rigs we used to use to power our portable DAT recorders to tape Grateful Dead shows.
Whatever floats yer boat, but that starts to remove the portability of the device.
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Hooray for deadheads. Anyway, I'm tired of seeing these threads pop up and stick on the first page of the forums in the DHD and Inspire sections. If you have seen how the battery goes in there, there is no way to stick a new one in there without some serious R&D. There have been a number of efforts on xda attempting to dispel the myths that state a battery that's identical in physical volume to the stock battery can hold any more juice. That's a boldfaced lie until something better and more cost-effective than Li-Po comes along. Even the giant batteries that say "3500 mah" usually have 2,xxx mah. I used to not care about the latter because I could make my Wizard, Hermes, Kaiser, and Rhodium last for two or three days on a charge for $10 on ebay. I testmed my "2800 mah" batteries and they were anywhere between 1940 and 2300 mAH, but it was still worth it to me until I got my Rhodium and figured out HTC made an official 2,150 mah battery and door that I tested and sent to xda member "Dougie" to test with a more accurate method than mine and it tested at exactly 2,150 mAH. Stock HTC batteries usually test around 95% of their rated capacity.
I don't want to write a 5 paragraph essay on the chemistry of Li-Po batteries, so please take it from a battery life freak that a larger battery in this phone is impossible. The best they'll be able to do is things like the iPhone's Mophie Juice Pack. My solution is that of the previous poster in that I bought an 8,800 mAH battery that weighs a couple of pounds that I take with me when I go camping for a week or two and use the phone for satnav with satellite imagery. It takes a while to load on GPRS, but who cares when I've got 10,000 mAH of juice? For outdoor sessions greater than 14 days I have a few photovoltaic panels and a waterproof project box to get it to 5V. It'll charge the big battery in about 4 days of direct sunlight as long as I don't uberkill the battery and have to 'shock' it back to life.
Yet another thread on battery. Sigh.
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Sheesh, you use your phone *that* much? I mean, how about a couple more stock batteries and an external charging dock?
Two pounds is a bit more than most people want to lug around.
The type of setup you suggest sounds like the rigs we used to use to power our portable DAT recorders to tape Grateful Dead shows.
Whatever floats yer boat, but that starts to remove the portability of the device.
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I've seen that type of setup work on some equipment where I work too. Except professionally done so that its housed right and doubled nicely as protection for the devices.
As for the external battery, it isn't much in weight for me, but I tend to go everywhere with some kinda backpack on, or a laptop bag, so to me its just there. Plus when I'm at work, all the outlets are in areas that I'd have to either duck under my desk to mess with my phone, or buy longer USB cables. I just go with the battery, more so since I can use it when out of the office and there isn't any outlets around. Same with like on a plane, at an airport, etc where outlets are crowded or not as enjoyable to work with. Plus the case I have the phone in requires I use a knife to get the stupid thing open, which means changing batteries is ten times the work as plugging in a USB cable.
if you think about it. a few years ago everyone probally thought it was "impossible" to squeeze so much into a phone and make them as thin as they are today. but as technology evolved the manafactuers have put alot into the thinnest phones on the market. so i believe that within time they will make a battery for us thats the same size and has more mAH. just my opinion,others may argue but i mean,when dulecore proccessers came out im sure no one thought we would never see a phone with all that squeezed into a cell phone. never doubt the possibilities
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if you think about it. a few years ago everyone probally thought it was "impossible" to squeeze so much into a phone and make them as thin as they are today. but as technology evolved the manafactuers have put alot into the thinnest phones on the market. so i believe that within time they will make a battery for us thats the same size and has more mAH. just my opinion,others may argue but i mean,when dulecore proccessers came out im sure no one thought we would never see a phone with all that squeezed into a cell phone. never doubt the possibilities
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Oh I have no doubt the technology will improve, more juice in a smaller space, kinda like hard drives... Somehow they always manage to get more into the same space.
Just not in time to be an alternative after-market battery solution for this particular phone.
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i read through the whole entire other battery thread,and it did not answer my question. it was filled with arguing abd people trying to prove there "intelligence". i just wanted a "no,no decent after market battery yet" or and kick towards the rite step which i recieved. no need to post in the thread no more with the complaining over "another battery thread". xda is built on the threads and each user receiving help so that maybe they can help someone else out. damn
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brd912 said:
i read through the whole entire other battery thread,and it did not answer my question. it was filled with arguing abd people trying to prove there "intelligence". i just wanted a "no,no decent after market battery yet" or and kick towards the rite step which i recieved. no need to post in the thread no more with the complaining over "another battery thread". xda is built on the threads and each user receiving help so that maybe they can help someone else out. damn
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Truely........yer answer was available in every battery thread. Whybdid you think this thread would be less then those? Same thread type, same answers........
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Truely........yer answer was available in every battery thread. Whybdid you think this thread would be less then those? Same thread type, same answers........
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No,people gave bad reviews of battery and argued the fact if there will be a better battery. My question was has anyone found one that boosted it at all. Any,whatsoever. I didn't post in that thread because I didn't want one of those rude asses to jump down my throat. So as I have the right,I started my own thread.
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So then to answer your question. I have not read, heard or seen a battery that will do any better than the original. Best bet at this point in time is to by a spare or carry a charger with you.
I have experience much better battery life with custom ROMs vs the stock ROM.
So, I have been using one battery that came with my first NS4G that I had to return because of a softkey issue. I forgot that I had the original battery for the second one. The one in it now doesn't seem to be breaking in and giving excellent battery life like everyone else is talking about. So, my question is: How do I cycle both of these batteries(the newer one I would probably have better luck with) to get better life out of both of them and swap out later if need be?
I don't know much about breaking in new lithium ion batteries, but most of the googling I have done ends up being a site that just wants to sell me their batteries instead of inform me about how they work and how to properly care for them. I also think it may be a little more device specific in this case.
There is no need to break in LiIon batteries that I am aware of.
Since you had bad luck googling:
http://batteryuniversity.com/ is an interesting read any day.
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There is no need to break in LiIon batteries that I am aware of.
Since you had bad luck googling:
http://batteryuniversity.com/ is an interesting read any day.
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That is chocked full of great information, thank you. I didn't see anything about breaking it in either, I have just seen several posts that talk about it. Maybe I will just use the newer battery for now and see if there is a difference in a few weeks.
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This is not my work, only my findings, credits goto androidworld.nl
ORIGINAL POSTING, TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN< POORLY AT BEST>
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Proceed as follows:
1. Turn your HTC Sensation ON continuously, and then loads 8 HOURS .
2. Get eight hours after the HTC Sensation of the drawer and then turn the power off . Now load another 1 hour .
3. Get the Sensation back of the drawer and turn it ON . Now wait a few minutes and then turn it back off . Finally, you still charge a 1 HOURS .
And voila, you now have the battery of the HTC Sensation longer trained to perform. You should make a clear difference and now you can even double as a battery to perform this method. You should start when the battery is already low on the Sensation and before sleeping. So you do not the daytime Sensation 8 hours long to miss.
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In Layman's terms curtesy of ldelossa.ld aka, not badly converted german.
"Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%."
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Also, please do the research about the bump charging, the forum i found this at, had NO mentioning of that, but I am glad people here knew about it before people started using it.
It does work, you will get better and longer battery life, but you will need to replace your battery sooner.
It is not as if you will need to replace it in a month, so weigh the pro's and con's, this still may be a very viable solution
Thank you XDA members for the input, I tried to update the OP to have the information needed to make the correct decision.
For more information on Bump Charging, Please Read
Quote from website above - ""To also help with Battery Life you can do these steps exactly: 1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well." - HTC Support's advice to an XDA Developer forum member.
This will reportedly increase your battery life two fold however in my test with the HTC Thunderbolt, I saw 14 hours usage which still isn't bad compared to the 9 hours I was previously obtaining"
An Article refereed to as the "truth about bump charging" that loops right back here to XDA A big thanks to byrong of XDA for his amazing thread.
*From my reading, the newer phones, like Sensation Evo3d, can handle the bump charge better then older, like the droid, etc....* (take that with a grain of salt......)
In my personal opinion, i think it is worth doing. The more i read about it, the more it seems like a good idea. I use my phone alot, and to get a full day with heavy usage is very important to me without plugging in on the ride home from work, etc.
can't make sense of it.
Indeed these instructions don't make much sense
after the phone is fullly charged,i delete /data/.battery-calibrated and then reboot
Its saying to manually set your batter stats, and yes it does work.
Charge to 100% take off the charger and power it down, when you boot back up you'll be anywhere from 80-95%, charge back up to 100% and then take off the charger, repeat this pattern till you can take your charger charger off (after a power down of course) and the battery readout on the phone stays at 100% for more then ten minutes, at this point just use the phone till it does completely, once it dies plug it in and charge it up to 100%.
It's called "bump charging". It's well documented to shorten battery life. Google it and make your own decision regarding using it.
Yeah bump charging will kill your battery
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Yeah, the sensation has pretty good bump charge protection. I wouldn't recommend it, you'll get longer life for a while then it will ruin your battery.
definitely bump charging....do it at your own risk!
Thank you to all that have replied so far, i updated the OP so users can make a more informed decision.
I think i will try it on 1 of my sensations to see the difference. If i get 30%+ more life, as some of the people in the other forum claim, and i have to replace the battery in a year, I personally think that is a good choice.
All of this is upto you..
Remember, its your phone, what you do to it, is your choice, what happens to it based on those choices, is YOUR FAULT, good or bad. Dont try and play the blame game, good or bad.
The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more
2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour
3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour
Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well.
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It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
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The original post that i think that the OP is trying to explain was
It was a suggestion from HTC for a couple of their phones a while ago
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood it was a "suggestion" from some of the people in HTC tech support. I've contacted HTC tech support several times asking questions about the Sensation. Simple stuff they should know. "Does it use noise cancellation?" "Does it have Gorilla Glass?" "What are the holes on the back for?". I've been majorly disappointed. All I've ever gotten is "we don't know", "we did a internet search and this is what we found", "we tried one of our phones and you're right it does record in stereo.", etc. Never have they contacted real HTC techs and found the answer to my question. So, even if someone in HTC support said they tried this and it seemed to work that's not, in my view, an official endorsement from HTC.
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i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
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i found the original post, it says it is a "official response" & it was originally for the Evo 4G.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
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I've done some Google searching and am still sticking to my belief that the original posted email was at best from HTC support, and not HTC engineering. As I mentioned I've received long emails from HTC support as well. I won't go into all the ugly details, but trust me they aren't tech smart. Battery bump charging, which is precisely what's described here, is widely known to provide temporary increases in storage capacity, but at a cost in battery life. But you can get batteries for as little as $10, so if you want to bump charge every day or two, have at it. Just be aware it could shorten the life of the battery and speed up the inevitable gradual loss of capacity.
I am using the Anker 1900mAh battery for last 3 weeks and I am satisfied with the battery life it provides. I did 4-5 charge-discharge cycles and now I regularly get 24hrs - 27hrs life out of it. Today I noticed that BMW Pro is showing battery '14% aging'! What does this mean? Is my battery dying? To confirm I installed the HTC battery widget and it shows nothing abnormal. Please check the screenshots. Is something wrong with my battery?
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My aging says 0%, on stock battery... 5 month old.
I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
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I gave up using BMW after getting my sensation, the battery driver by HTC is useless and the statistics the driver gives to BMW can't be trusted.
If you're that concerned then charge to 100%, delete your your battery stats and history and hence start again - but I don't think anything has changed for you, it still guesses your battery as around 1900.
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Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
My phone is not rooted. So I cant delete battery stats. And I get excellent battery life. But the 'aging' thing was worrying me. But after reading your comments not so much worried now. What does 'aging' mean anyway? i.e. in the context of the battery.
Over time and use batteries age... They lose their capacity.... Aging 10% Means that the battery has 10% less capacity than it had when it was new....
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Absolutly right about BMW and Sensation. BMW Useless and confusing only. Don't worry about ageing - continue to use as before.
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There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
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There's nothing wrong with the app, it worked perfectly on my HD2, it's just the battery driver that's the issue for the sensation.
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I know that is Senasation's driver reporting not correct discharge current, only correct charge current. I meant BMW is useless with Sensation.
And i guess it is not problem of HTC's driver but hardware chipset used in sensation and evo 3d - driver can't read proper values from measurment circuit of chipset. If i would be driver itself, HTC could fix it easely.
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Don't expect from Anker same quantity of charge-discharge cycles as original battery. It may not work as long as original one(cycles i mean). Nothing can be done with it and nothing can help. They are cheap, so just buy new one when capacity will badly decrease.
Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
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As countless people told you by now - those stats don't mean ****. Stop relying on them. It's useless, confusing information with absolutely no value.
Your battery is fine.
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I have understood it totally.
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^ What he said. If the developer set the app to say it's 99% aged while your battery still lasted about 25 hours or so.. would you believe that? I'm banking on the assumption that you're not a complete moron and WOULDNT believe that. This is almost the same thing, accrding to all the other users, the app and the battery drivers don't work well together. As everyone else has stated, stop using it? There really is only one way to test your battery properly, and that is to use it. If one day you only got like 15 hours out of your normal 27.. then you know there's a problem. screw the bmw app
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Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
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Now BMW is showing aging to be 0%. How and why it showed 14% previously I dont know! The battery is hardly 3 weeks old. It cant begin to age so soon, can it? Maybe the earlier value was some wrong reporting. There seems to be a definite problem with the phone's battery driver.
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. Just ignore. How can you trust it if BMW doesn't even report mA correctly (not it's fault). So stop worrying and just enjoy your phone.
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Thats what I am going to do!
You may see what are aged battery here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/htc-desire-battery-shutdown-analysis/ and here :http://78michel.unblog.fr/?p=164
The SoC curve ( state of charge) shows a step during the charging cycle before reaching 100% and a shutdown while discharging. This is very typical.
The aging is in fact the amplitude of the step.....
A precise battery analysis requires a full charging cycle from 0% to 100% with a AC charger.
Your battery is clearly not aged at all..... don't worry
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I have understood it totally.
Is there really any need for being this rude? I thought we were just having a discussion. Why are you getting exasperated?
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How am I being rude? You should change the tone of how you read it. I didn't call you the moron, I was assuming you weren't and trying to give some kind of crappy analogy to make sense of it lol
Folks, wiping battery stats is to no use. It only contains the data of what have used the battery since last charge. When you unplug your phone from the charger, the stats are reset. You can't extend or damage the battery life by deleting/altering the battery stats file.
Got an Sensation which has been running ARHD since the day after i bought it.
The first day i got it i held the phone when my hans were full of diesel, so the screen some small marks from the wet diesel. Didnt do anything with the functions of the phone. Unless that, the phone turns off sometimes. Dont know if this is rom related, as i went to ARHD the day after i bought it
That was just to explain everything thats happend to the phone. This was when i bought it, had it for a year now i think, and its been smooth!
But the last weeks its been a real pain in the ass!!
When using it, and when im not using it, sometimes it gets really hot. I'ts always gotten hot when using it hard, normal hot, but this is different.
It gets so hot on the lower part of the phone (back and front), that its actually HOT to touch.
So hot that is smells warm plastic, just like it does before it melts
And the battery is horrible, im 99% it because of the heat, or a combination.
For instance, the phone last about 8-12 hours, IF I DONT USE IT?
Like now, the phone was at 100%, was on internet for 2 minutes exactly, and sendt 1 text, the battery is now down to 82%.
I reset battery stats yesterday, stil same issue.
The heat and battery problem occured for a couple of weeks ago, and havent been this way before.
The battery gets hot also, but i dont know if its the heat transfered from the phone, or if the battery transfers the heat to the phone.
Also when the phone turns off, i get the blinking orange light when i try to charge it, sometimes it wont charge at all.
And when battery is below 40-50% the phone acts all wierd, for example:
-When taking a photo, the phone turns off after the picture is taken
-Cant listen to spotify, changes songs every 5 secound, and calls the last person i called all the time automaticly
-When i try to call people, it turns the phone off.
Phone specs now, and for the last 3 months is
ARHD 3,6,3
Kernel: 2.6.35.14-Sensation-faux123-v0.2.3b+
Radio: 10.56.9035.00U-10.14.9035.01_M
Any ida? Im going to try with a mate's battery to see if its the batterys fault
I've also thought about contacting HTC, maybe it could be a warranty case.
But since the phone has some small wet marks behind the screen, ill guess they just blame it on that?
pls dont take this as a promotion, i just wanna help you, as i felt the same thing with you when using gb roms, very hot and fast battery drain
ppl that have been using blitz5 or blaze 2 have said they got pretty good batt life ( u can see for ur self in some of the rom threads) with HTC stock kernel, it might help you mate, and it doesnt get hot quite easily too (very hard to get hot) if ur using HTC stock kernel which comes out with it, which infact is already smooth as, so no need for unlocked kernels
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pls dont take this as a promotion, i just wanna help you, as i felt the same thing with you when using gb roms,
ppl that have been using blitz5 or blaze 2 have said they got pretty good batt life ( u can see for ur self in some of the rom threads) with HTC stock kernel, it might help you mate, and it doesnt get hot quite easily too (very hard to get hot) if ur using HTC stock kernel which comes out with it, which infact is already smooth as, so no need for unlocked kernels
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WTH is wrong with you? YOU ARE promoting your ROM , if you cant help him dont post at all. I'm sick of your useless posts that only advertise your ROM
OP it looks like a you have serious hardware problems, its maybe the diesel that got inside or you sensation was defective from the start BUT no software will be able to fix that . Moreover, I suggest you replace it or ask HTC for a replacement (if you still have the warranty ) its dangerous to carry that phone around , your battery might explode
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WTH is wrong with you? YOU ARE promoting your ROM , if you cant help him dont post at all. I'm sick of your useless posts that only advertise your ROM
OP it looks like a you have serious hardware problems, its maybe the diesel that got inside or you sensation was defective from the start BUT no software will be able to fix that . Moreover, I suggest you replace it or ask HTC for a replacement (if you still have the warranty ) its dangerous to carry that phone around , your battery might explode
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mate, please. I dont want to debate this over and over again especially on a thread posted by a guy who needs help.
Im saying, maybe he can give it a try as it might help his battery drainage problem and overheating, that I too face when i used to use GB roms. ( I seriously mean this because i seriously faced this prob before, and i think ICS will fix his issue)
Please, im just trying to give a suggestion and if u think that wasnt a suggestion/help for the OP to maybe fix the batt issue, u should go f urself mate,
im tired of reading ppl saying this and that towards my posts, even though im giving a suggestion to a guy that needs help in regarding battery issue,
pls, idont wanna debate a bout this unnecessary stuff again, lets stay on topic
Go back to the original stock rom the phone came with.
If your getting overheating issues with stock, then chances are there is something wrong with it.
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Go back to the original stock rom the phone came with.
If your getting overheating issues with stock, then chances are there is something wrong with it.
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it definitely seems like a hardware issue but then again, a different rom with an upgraded android OS can solve the issue. But as for the battery life, I bought the ANKER battery which has more capacity compared to the stock battery and the size of the ANKER battery is the same as the stock, so it won't make your phone bulky at all, nor would it require for you to get a new back cover
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WTH is wrong with you? YOU ARE promoting your ROM , if you cant help him dont post at all. I'm sick of your useless posts that only advertise your ROM
OP it looks like a you have serious hardware problems, its maybe the diesel that got inside or you sensation was defective from the start BUT no software will be able to fix that . Moreover, I suggest you replace it or ask HTC for a replacement (if you still have the warranty ) its dangerous to carry that phone around , your battery might explode
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Useless posts? The only useless posts I see is yours...His posts and his PMs helped me so much. I'm sure I can find hundreds of people that will agree that he is a great help anywhere he posts And he clearly stated that he is not promoting his rom.
Have a good day and forget about this negativity!
PS: I had heating issues with insertcoin 4.5.4...The weird thing is that it came all of a sudden. I've been using it for 10 days and no heating issues. But today it overheated and drained 50% of the battery
Hi this is a long shot but I think your problem might be spotify...
I am running same ROM as you, and have been experiencing similar issues since getting spotify. I also found out that spotify isn't actually officially supported on our phones.
When did u get spotify? like I said this is a long shot, could just be a coincidence.
beston94 said:
Useless posts? The only useless posts I see is yours...His posts and his PMs helped me so much. I'm sure I can find hundreds of people that will agree that he is a great help anywhere he posts And he clearly stated that he is not promoting his rom.
Have a good day and forget about this negativity!
PS: I had heating issues with insertcoin 4.5.4...The weird thing is that it came all of a sudden. I've been using it for 10 days and no heating issues. But today it overheated and drained 50% of the battery
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dont feed the trolls
I've had this happen twice with my stock 02 UK Sensation in the 3 months i owned it and it has happend once with the replacement Sensation they issued because of a screen fault.
when it happens, the phone will get quite hot to the touch fairly quickly, even when on standby and the battery will drop dramatically. Taking the battery out and letting it all cool down fixs it.
I have had this with the stock battery and also with an anker battery on the new device.
It never feels like it is going to get hot enough to burn, but it does get worryingly hot.
This also happend maybe 2 or 3 times in 18 months with my HD2 - that was also stock.
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WTH is wrong with you? YOU ARE promoting your ROM , if you cant help him dont post at all. I'm sick of your useless posts that only advertise your ROM
OP it looks like a you have serious hardware problems, its maybe the diesel that got inside or you sensation was defective from the start BUT no software will be able to fix that . Moreover, I suggest you replace it or ask HTC for a replacement (if you still have the warranty ) its dangerous to carry that phone around , your battery might explode
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Even if it was promoting (which it's not), what's wrong with promoting a successful rom that people actually are saying they're battery life is improved? It's not like OP is signing a contract that they'll stay on a certain rom. The OP can try the rom, and if it doesn't work, can remove it and try something else.
I use battery drain analyzer to see how fast my drain is..
The problems OP describe seems to be faced by me too. I can last 8-12 hours without using it and mobile network on.
A little bit of multi work, switichong between apps causes my phone to heat up and battery drain shoots sky rocket with up to 2% per min!
Cause of this, no chance for me to play games without a charger as 30 minutes of game could just deplete my entire battery.
Does this really seems like hardware related?
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
sshede said:
Even if it was promoting (which it's not), what's wrong with promoting a successful rom that people actually are saying they're battery life is improved? It's not like OP is signing a contract that they'll stay on a certain rom. The OP can try the rom, and if it doesn't work, can remove it and try something else.
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I dont really wanna continue this debate and change the subject of this thread but his attitude towards others and the community annoy me. I cant explain why but to me he is like that Best Buy employee who tires to sell you additional warranty service or a gold high Def cable
I think if someone want to say something they should say it directly without all the crap like "It may sound like I'm promoting my ROM but I'm not...."
On topic, it seems OP didnt respond to the thread yet but as others have suggested maybe he should try a different battery, that might help to eliminate "faulty phone" theory
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I dont really wanna continue this debate and change the subject of this thread but his attitude towards others and the community annoy me. I cant explain why but to me he is like that Best Buy employee who tires to sell you additional warranty service or a gold high Def cable
I think if someone want to say something they should say it directly without all the crap like "It may sound like I'm promoting my ROM but I'm not...."
On topic, it seems OP didnt respond to the thread yet but as others have suggested maybe he should try a different battery, that might help to eliminate "faulty phone" theory
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Mate, I think Ur ridiculous. U just said u don't wanna debate but u just put me down with more than a half of Ur post, pls mate. I just wanted to help him that's all, if u dot mind, how the hell am I promoting something I won't even got back in anyway? Doesn't make sense. I don't even have donation link yet, mate. It doesnt make sense. Ur putting me down of just bcos I suggest the guys to try my Rom becos it has got some good results that's all. Ur pathetic.
Too many haters in this forum I can't stand anymore. Ur ridiculous and doesn't make sense. Pls, idont wanna continue debating, ill stop here. What ever u say next I won't care at all. Thank you.
sent from my beast HTC Sensation powered by my Extreme Sensation Blaze™ 2 with HTC Sense 3.6
If you are not blind you could see that I responded to some other guy and not you. Furthermore, I didnt insult you whereas you called me pathetic. anyways MATE just keep your crap to yourself and don't insult my intelligence with your posts full of nonsense and grammatical mistakes.
If you continue this behavior someone might report us and we both will get a warning so I suggest you chill out and live your life.
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If you are not blind you could see that I responded to some other guy and not you. Furthermore, I didnt insult you whereas you called me pathetic. anyways MATE just keep your crap to yourself and don't insult my intelligence with your posts full of nonsense and grammatical mistakes.
If you continue this behavior someone might report us and we both will get a warning so I suggest you chill out and live your life.
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I know u responded to other guys and I never said u didn't, did I? Furthermore, you said u didn't insult me, pls read Ur first post and tell me what is that. U are fully pathetic. If someone reported me, ill just say I didn't do anything wrong whatsoever. And I don't get what u meant by "my behaviours" wtf did I do? U said u didn't insult me, what about this
" anyways MATE just keep your crap to yourself and don't insult my intelligence with your posts full of nonsense and grammatical mistakes"
If u really said that's not an insult. U really do have no intelligence.
Im sorry for the op, and mods, feel free to delte my posts because this has gotten too far. As for this, I just started my post with a suggestion that could be a help for the op. But the other guy choose to start a debate and trying to be smart, by telling me off even when I didn't do anything whatsoever.
Imsorry op.
sent from my beast HTC Sensation powered by my Extreme Sensation Blaze™ 2 with HTC Sense 3.6
thunderskain said:
I use battery drain analyzer to see how fast my drain is..
The problems OP describe seems to be faced by me too. I can last 8-12 hours without using it and mobile network on.
A little bit of multi work, switichong between apps causes my phone to heat up and battery drain shoots sky rocket with up to 2% per min!
Cause of this, no chance for me to play games without a charger as 30 minutes of game could just deplete my entire battery.
Does this really seems like hardware related?
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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If at all possible, try purchasing a anker battery. The stock battery sucks in my opinion. The anker battery is always at 25 C and also lasted significantly longer while the stock battery shot up to high temps and didn't last as long. This is just a guess also but doesn't efficiency reduce when there is heat? More heat = less battery life (just a guess). ROM's also help in reducing battery usage so I would suggest switching to an ICS ROM since my battery life significantly improved after switching. I personally use Virtuous Inquisition.
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If at all possible, try purchasing a anker battery. The stock battery sucks in my opinion. The anker battery is always at 25 C and also lasted significantly longer while the stock battery shot up to high temps and didn't last as long. This is just a guess also but doesn't efficiency reduce when there is heat? More heat = less battery life (just a guess). ROM's also help in reducing battery usage so I would suggest switching to an ICS ROM since my battery life significantly improved after switching. I personally use Virtuous Inquisition.
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Thanks for the tip!
So you think its battery related, rather than hardware problems??
Heating up is the battery issue rather than that of the phone?
And im using ICS btw! IC 4.5.4
thunderskain said:
Thanks for the tip!
So you think its battery related, rather than hardware problems??
Heating up is the battery issue rather than that of the phone?
And im using ICS btw! IC 4.5.4
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I do think it's battery related but I can't be 100% sure.
When the phone gets really hot, try going to the dialer and typing in *#*#4636#*#* and then click battery information. Then look at the temperature and health of the battery. Then report back here with what it said.
Ah, didn't notice. I think that should be fine ROM-wise.