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Why are we not getting honeycomb to play with?
You really need to read some threads before posting a question that has already been answered many times.
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And the honeycomb you are referencing has no practical use in the real world. Its a hacked together UI that does nothing but run the preview sdk
if it was worth it we would have it. our devs kick ass
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I hate to sound like a jerk but what is it with all the people whining about honeycomb. The only version out so far is a hacked version built off the prelim sdk and in no way will work for the g tablet. Anyone who has been Modding for anytime knows the cardinal rule for android...
DON'T ASK FOR ETA'S.
When honeycomb is officially released by Google I'm sure it'll be like every other release and in a short time we'll have our own version. Until then have some patience please and do some research.
or if you want honeycomb straight away then get a xoom and pay the big bucks
What i dont get is why do people ask and ask...........
Doesnt your gtab do everything you need It to?
honeycomb... Hero cookie....danish....pop tart...soda cracker........flap jack or royal with cheese
Just names I dont see anything i cant wait for.
Now when they say the next android version will give my gtab the ability for it to make me samwiches and give me oral pleasure on demand that is when i will be all over the devs to build that $hit....
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
Really?
BilliamB said:
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
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Let me get this straight. You post in the wrong section, you ask for an ETA, and you obviously did not search, which also means you did not read any of the forum rules or stickies. Yet, somehow we are all assholes. You know if you just follow a few simple rules your experience with XDA will be much better. The rules here are no different than any other forum. I am going to assume you are new to this, so I will help you a bit. Search for what an SDK port is and you will quickly realize why you do not want this.
BilliamB said:
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
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I think you should flash the Nook Color ROM BilliamB, you obviously know what you're doing, I'm sure you can get it to work. I mean come on, the G Tablet has a Tegra 2 processor, it should totally work right? Although you may want to read a few threads.... oh wait, you obviously don't do that. Come on dude, the only one here being an AH (as you put it) is you.
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Seriously.... You will not see Honeycomb on the G Tablet until another unit is released with Honeycomb and has the Tegra 2 chip. The issue is the instruction sets are different enough that its not a one for one port. The Nook, Dell Streak 5, Tegra 2, etc. are all based on the ARMv7 instruction set but there are difference in their implementation enough that make them incompatible. In addition the biggest differences lay in the I/O subsystem which makes these platforms completely different. With these major differences it makes porting from the emulator (which is how they are getting Honeycomb to work) a daunting tasking and nearly impossible on a Tegra 2 based device.
I am very confident after the first Honeycomb system image is posted it will be running on our tablets... It will be a race as to who gets props on Engadget for being the first to port to the G Tablet..
You would get less hostility if you read, learned and asked accordingly. Its a give and take community. Unfortunately the way you asked makes it seem your less inclined to contribute and just take...
BilliamB said:
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
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Honeycomb is coming to the g-tablet in March, till then.
RERRRAAXXXX
BilliamB said:
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
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Seriously dude....This is about the 10th thread with this same topic started since the nook got the honeycomb sdk running. You ask questions without searching and then cause you dont get the answer you want you call us names. Don't worry, most of us won't answer your questions anymore.....ever.
BilliamB said:
Instead of anwers that are coherent and useful we get alot of mouthy folks that serve no purpose. What a bunch of AH's!
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Whoa!!! Bad move man, bad move. You need realize that you can't call people who are willing to spend rediculous amounts of thier personal time to provide the community with amazing firmware AH's! Quite the contrary - They are saints (and, actually, you serve no purpose).
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deep_powder2012 said:
Whoa!!! Bad move man, bad move. You need realize that you can't call people who are willing to spend rediculous amounts of thier personal time to provide the community with amazing firmware AH's! Quite the contrary - They are saints (and, actually, you serve no purpose).
Swyped from my VEGAn-TAB-v1.0.0B5.1
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Totally agreed. XD.
Hey Alpha06...
I'm just curious if that is a confirmed news or word of mouth that the G-tablet would have Honeycomb around the March?
I wouldn't guarantee that Honeycomb for the G-tab would be available for sure in March, however I wouldn't be surprised to see Alpha-versions of Honeycomb ROMs shortly after the first Tegra2 devices are released and rooted. Like everyone has been saying around here, don't ask for an ETA, because the people around here that do develop do it on their personal time. They have lives, work, and possibly kids, wives, or whatever that also wants their time as well.
Remember, porting a ROM is a lot easier if there is solid reference material to build from. As you may notice, TNT-Lite comes from his building on and improving the existing TNT version of Android that came with the G-Tablet. Vegan is a modification and improvement of the Vega OS. I don't believe that the developers of either package (and correct me if I am wrong) went to Google's GIT repository for Android and compiled their own versions of the OS specifically for the device - along with writing their own custom device drivers for all of the internal hardware. They built off of, and improved what was available.
IIRC, the Nook port of Honeycomb is only partially functional. The just released port for the Dell Streak (http://www.mytabletlife.com/2011/02/08/dell-streak-honeycomb-port/) is as well. Why, because they are essentially starting from scratch.
Which brings everything back to my original point. As soon as reference devices are out in the wild, I'm sure that will be the point where we will see Honeycomb ports start to pop up here as well.
BigJohn
march can not get here soon enough... heh.
hey guys please dont be mad im just trying to see if this will help ur development as i want a g tablet myself currently i am in the hd2 android development forums on xda and there a guy found some honeycomb for desire hd i know honeycomb is suppose to be for tablets so i thought why not let u guys see what u could do with it here a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=960503 or u could just google hd2 android development xda its there in the nand development part of it the devs in there are working on porting it to hd2 maybe ur devs can get it working
most of the gtab devs are still working on gingerbread.
I would imagine that they won't focus on Honeycomb until an official SDK is released. Right now everything you are seeing is probably based off of the preview SDK.
Google has 30 days to release the SDK after someone releases the first product (probably the XOOM) with honeycomb on it.
trust me, i'm patiently waiting too...
Yeah, probably it is ported from the SDK preview so it is not very usefull to usbecause it is not complete and it doesnt suports our dual core.
digitalslacker said:
most of the gtab devs are still working on gingerbread.
I would imagine that they won't focus on Honeycomb until an official SDK is released. Right now everything you are seeing is probably based off of the preview SDK.
Google has 30 days to release the SDK after someone releases the first product (probably the XOOM) with honeycomb on it.
trust me, i'm patiently waiting too...
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Really? i though we were really waiting for the xoom release because the rom could be ripped out from the xoom and ported for our beloved tablet.(Xoom release this thursday)
I also though, because i read a post, that making a rom from an SDK was not very convinient and that it implied a lot of work. I could be wrong or i could have read wrong.
BTW: I think this is the wrong section to post this. XD, I could be wrong about that also.
Well, I think it's possible to port it from xoom to gtab.
Buy me one and I'll do it for you, for free! =D
Cheers
Not development. Moved to General.
It could be an SDK port, but I'll check it out. Thanks for the link.
EDIT: Yeah, this looks like an SDK port - I can tell just from the build.prop.
Folks at NotionInkHacks claim they are close to a port already:
http://notioninkhacks.com/index.php/2011/02/18/notioninkhacks-com-what-we-need-for-honey-comb/
Given what they say they are still missing, I'm not so sure, but...
EwanG said:
Folks at NotionInkHacks claim they are close to a port already:
http://notioninkhacks.com/index.php/2011/02/18/notioninkhacks-com-what-we-need-for-honey-comb/
Given what they say they are still missing, I'm not so sure, but...
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If this is true, i think it needs its own topic and maybe a sticky.
Pazzu510 said:
If this is true, i think it needs its own topic and maybe a sticky.
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When a real honeycomb rom is available i guarantee there will be a stickied topic in development. NotionInkHacks are no closer than anyone else. Some of the same people are working on their roms as the GTab roms. Everyone is still missing the same files.
yeah, probably you are right. I hope we can get those files from the Xoom in its release this Thursday.
The A-Team at Notion Ink Hacks takes pride in our secrecy and the ability to get things done. We are very close to porting Honeycomb for both the Notion Ink Adam and the Viewsonic GTab. However, we need your help to find a Tegra based Boot.img and System.img for Honeycomb.
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I'm guessing that's all the xda developers here need to get Honeycomb up and running gtab also.
Don't worry about Adam versus GTAB - they are so similar that if one gets it, the other won't be far behind. And the VEGA too, we'll all benefit I'm sure.
Guys,
Have at it ! Here is the Xoom build.prop thanks to thefredelement... Give him a HUGE thanks for sharing this
Just download it; then extract the zip file and there you go!!!
Thanks again thefredelement !!!
Does this mean we will have honeycomb soon or do we still need the drivers from nvidia?
You still need a boot.img. Just so you know people have had access to the xoom for more than a week already and have been working on this.
Thanks, but based on the early indications this fingerprint will actually cause the market to shrink rather than expand. It is interesting to read though as it specifically states nosdcard, and does include the telephony stuff, if nothing else there is potential that once we have a honeycomb port 3G usb modem drivers may become available.
I just posted this so we could take a look at what was in it... it is a good read if nothing else ;-)
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You still need a boot.img. Just so you know people have had access to the xoom for more than a week already and have been working on this.
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I would have thanked you but I've exceeded my max per didn't know there was a maximum. You learn something new everyday.
Anyways, it's also my understanding that to get the boot.img, the Xoom will need to be rooted. Is that correct? So, is that what we should be really looking for? Xoom has been rooted threads?
Look for "Rom based on Honeycomb". And yes it needs root. It will happen people. Posting endless honeycomb threads is not gonna make it any faster.
Ok I'm kind of a noob, please don't slam me 'frog. Since the whole purpose of Android and the whole Open Source thing is to make source available, don't either Motorola, nVidia or Google NEED to release this Honeycomb-Tegra 2 code at some point. I do realize that there may be proprietary pieces but I thought once you used open source code, you were obliged to release your resulting code to the community. Am I missing something here or is all this chatter just an attempt to get it faster?
I hate seeing all of the teaser threads as well, but I also try to keep an open mind and view it more as humorous than obnoxious. I'm sure the real dev's are quite adept at skipping and ignoring the stupid comments by people like me.
I'm just saying ...
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Look for "Rom based on Honeycomb". And yes it needs root. It will happen people. Posting endless honeycomb threads is not gonna make it any faster.
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Lol. I shouldn't have posted the last two sentences. It's not like I was saying that I was being impatient. Just wanted to learn that's all.
I'm assuming we'll see a lot of the bits and pieces of the XOOM system posted in here and just wanted to know what's relevant or not.
Thanks again.
Its all good. I understand people wanna learn.
Yes they have to release anything that is open source but if you use linux you can use the nvidea and ati example. They don't release their proprietary libs for their cards and as a result its quite likely when you upgrade your kernel you break your video drivers. Its not so bad now but a couple years ago I couldnt keep an ati card working.
All the endless threads that are repeats make it nearly impossible for noobs to find good information and it makes it harder for me to link the correct posts for noobs to follow. Everyone was new at one time but you will never learn anything if you keep asking and not looking. This is a developer forum....xda DEVELOPERS.... not a customer service forum. Most devs here go out of their way to answer questions as do a few of us power users. My tirades are not directed at people like the 2 previous posts. Its the ones that dont want help. They want someone to hold there hand and type out each and every command for them and supply them a fix for every problem. And they want it now
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Ok I'm kind of a noob, please don't slam me 'frog. Since the whole purpose of Android and the whole Open Source thing is to make source available, don't either Motorola, nVidia or Google NEED to release this Honeycomb-Tegra 2 code at some point. I do realize that there may be proprietary pieces but I thought once you used open source code, you were obliged to release your resulting code to the community. Am I missing something here or is all this chatter just an attempt to get it faster?
I hate seeing all of the teaser threads as well, but I also try to keep an open mind and view it more as humorous than obnoxious. I'm sure the real dev's are quite adept at skipping and ignoring the stupid comments by people like me.
I'm just saying ...
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Typically one week is the lead time afforded the trail blazing device for each generation of Android, and then the plain vanilla source AOSP is posted at source.android.com (read about git first, where the kernel is posted). However none of the proprietary information in specific devices needs to be made available right away.
Will th devs that made the honeynook sdk preview be able to update that if they get a Xoom, amd in turn would that help the g tab devs?
I'm just curious about how much of a problem the fact that the XOOM has a Gig of system ram rather than 512 megs will be. I could see an easy way to protect some exclusivity under the guise of "ensuring compatibility" where one of the first boot steps is to check for enough available ram...
Good thing my Zpad has 1 gig ram then eh
boot img and tegra 2 aosp source here
http://android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/333138/xoom-rootboot-img/#entry1614605
I think.
Alpha06 said:
boot img and tegra 2 aosp source here
http://android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/333138/xoom-rootboot-img/#entry1614605
I think.
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It's a Xoom boot.img, and the (tegra 2) kernel source for honeycomb (2.6.36).
Ok, per Engadget Xoom has been rooted... Next?
Here are the init files as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11615922&postcount=9
You can get a rooted boot image here: http://www.koushikdutta.com/2011/02/motorola-xoom-rooted.html
Love it when things start moving at nearly the speed of light,... uh oh, getting dizzy... frog, will you hold my hand?
MikeTheSith200 said:
Will th devs that made the honeynook sdk preview be able to update that if they get a Xoom, amd in turn would that help the g tab devs?
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The Nook is so heavily supported because it's so god damn cheap for a tablet. (it's really an "e-reader")
there was no touch interface released with the version of honeycomb from the preview sdk.
With a real Honeycomb product (and full SDK) full development is possible.
If you wait, They will build it, we will come. =]
Okay, so I did a search and couldn't find a discussion or any word on XDA of this. So for those of you who don't know about it, this goes out to you: the title says it all. For those of you who know about it, any thoughts, criticisms, praises, hopes? I just figured I'd make a place for this. I saw this over at RootzWiki so here is a direct link to their article, props to them. And then direct link to the website where you can get sample code, a Hello World, and plenty of other fun information regarding the project.
http://rootzwiki.com/content.php?356-Download-DART-Developer-Preview&
http://www.dartlang.org/
I didn't know this was considered Android just because it's Google?
well, it is supposed to be able to replace java, I was looking around for more info here and not much!! i was thinking with recent rumors that jelly bean might be tablet oriented and dart runs in chromium that we might see chromebooks start to share in android or android share into chromium os, any thoughts? i want to chat it up?
yeah the whole chatting it up thing is what I was hopin for when I posted this to see what people think about Dart, if they have begun to dabble in it, and for any news of it.. Are you saying that Chromium? If so I hadn't known that..
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Current News 11/28/2012
Well Fosser2 and his gang have finally hashed out a GIT with the source for the 3.1 kernel they are compiling. It is to my displeasure that NVIDIA requests are a complete failure, but because of this amazing open source comunity that we have with Android we are still able to bring our devices around to match that of what we desire out of our tablets. Thank you to their valiant efforts in creating a better user environment and we tip our hats to them. Please be sure to give them a thanks and buy them a beer. Here is the GIT
GIT Source from Fosser2
Old Info -
Directly quoted from Fosser2. I have been checking daily to see when the forums would come back up, and it looks like they have. Please get your petitions over there to get the sources so our g-tabs can be 100% functional (Well as close as you can) =]
Hey guys,
I know you all want the camera working but NVIDIA is really holding back on the information that they are releasing. As you know Notion Ink and the developers who have been working with the Adam tablet have really helped this project along. NI is asking people to post in My Post on the NVIDIA Forums to see if we can get the camera source code and information on the interface the camera runs on. Please take the time to read this Post and register and complain in the NVIDIA forums about the camera. Please try to make your posts sound professional, but we're gonna need some support behind this one if we have any hope on getting the camera active again. Even if NI gets the camera sources and we don't, I'm sure that the work that they finish will be able to be ported to our camera with minimal efforts. Thanks for your time!
You can find my topic over here
please register and keep this post on the top. The more traffic we get there the sooner we will hear back from them.
Link
I see a couple of people who have posted and I thank you all for the help, lets try and keep the forum as the top hit list so MODs will see it and hopefully get a response. If they refuse we will threaten with the better business bureau and I am sure they will listen then.
I know its a pain to have to create another user account, but please the more people they see posting on the nvidia forums the higher chance we have of getting the sources released to the public. Imagine the possibility of the device without poking around blindly at the kernel, but having a complete map available.
I just registered and posted. I really hope someone notices how important this is to us.
Cheveron just said in the Dirty Bean forum on Slatedroid that the camera is already fixed.
This is more than just the Camera though. The Devs are poking blindly without source. The fact they got it working is a miracle, we would rather have the hard solid evidence to make sure we get the most out of the devices with the source from Nvidia.
We tried very hard the first time. They just arent willing to help out. With a middle finger in the air I think all devs who have contibuted their time can walk the streets proud of their accomlishments. Thanks for the hardware Nvidia...screw you for the support.
We don't need anything from NVIDIA; apparently dwagner already got the camera working (for the most part). This is what Ch3vr0n5 said over on Slatedroid. So it's coming, just be patient.
In the future you should consider boycotting NVIDIA; go with Qualcomm or Samsung. They are far more receptive to the community than NVIDIA and will have much better longevity than any NVIDIA products. Yes, the Nexus 7 uses a Tegra III but that doesn't mean much since NVIDIA still doesn't share source with the community. Eventually even the Nexus 7 owners will have a G-Tablet like situation on their hands.
Yes we did get the camera working w/ our own set of code. Not sure when its going to be fully available to the public. Hopefully sooner than later though!
You guys are amazing. Does that mean once you work out the kinks in theory the tab should be 100% functioning?
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Yes we did get the camera working w/ our own set of code. Not sure when its going to be fully available to the public. Hopefully sooner than later though!
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Pl make it sooner. ... where is the link to the original development of the can driver?
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I wish you luck getting the camera working through your petitions, but this thread needs to be in General so I am moving it now.
Thank you,
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Here is the camera source. We're in the middle of porting it to our 3.1 kernel right now.
https://github.com/TeamDRH/android-tegra-nv-2.6.39-rel-14r7/tree/camera