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Hi guys,
I just got a SGS4G about a week ago and I would like to tweak it a little bit but I do have some concerns. This is my first android smartphone
Here are my concerns:
I would like to do a Backup of my ROM in case I ever want to go back to it. How could I do that? Do I need to install a bootloader other than the one that comes with the phone? if yes which one should I install?
I have rooted my phone and would like to get rid of a bunch of apps but was reading that if you remove some of the apps it could cause the phone to malfuncion. Is there a compiled a list of apps that should not be removed? or this is just not true?
When I'm ready to install a Stock ROM how do I do that? Via Odin? (I can look for some guide if it's via Odin)
Can anyone tell me what would be the benefit of installing Deodexed instead of using the Stock ROM?
Will i always me able to come back to my Stock ROM once i figure how to create a backup ROM?
Am I missing any important point that I should know about?
I would really appreciate if you can help clarify this doubts that I got before i try to do anything.
Thanks
i'm new to all of this too but ill try to answer some questions. Although, I think this thread should NOT be in development and should be in general. I personally have read through a lot of threads to get the answers that I was seeking for.
As far as backup goes, I think its possible through Odin via dump option? don't quote me on that, I have not had to do that before, nor have I read up on it. bootloader as far as i see, i did not need it.
there is a thread in here with virgin rom request, LOOK for it.
There is NO compiled list of apps that you can or cannot delete, but if you read, there is a dl for BLOATWARE, use that as a template to what you want deleted.
Right now, ODIN is the only way that you can flash your phone, and use the two roms listed in this development thread.
From what i read a deodexed rom just helps with file system and structure. I think?
you will always be able to go back to stock, if you have the virgin rom.
Imo, you should read up/skim through every thread in here to see what is available, problems people are having and the fixes for them. I know there is alot of information in here and it maybe overwhelming, but there were 172 views of this thread without any replies because us noobs need to READ/SEARCH. Thats the answers we'll get if we continue to make new threads. Just fyi if your new to forums.
Moved as not android development.
As newbie you should first read and use search
then if you dont see question you want, you just ask it
And about Roms , well i tried that deox v2.2 and didnt like it , switched to stock with removed bloat and love it more but thats for different thread
Well thanks for you answers and I do apologize for posting this here. I didn't know. I think i will go with what you have done. Stock ROM without bloatware. Did you flash the Stock ROM from this forum? or did you just deleted the apps one by one?
I will do the fota fix as well.
moshe22 said:
Hi guys,
I just got a SGS4G about a week ago and I would like to tweak it a little bit but I do have some concerns. This is my first android smartphone
Here are my concerns:
I would like to do a Backup of my ROM in case I ever want to go back to it. How could I do that? Do I need to install a bootloader other than the one that comes with the phone? if yes which one should I install?
I have rooted my phone and would like to get rid of a bunch of apps but was reading that if you remove some of the apps it could cause the phone to malfuncion. Is there a compiled a list of apps that should not be removed? or this is just not true?
When I'm ready to install a Stock ROM how do I do that? Via Odin? (I can look for some guide if it's via Odin)
Can anyone tell me what would be the benefit of installing Deodexed instead of using the Stock ROM?
Will i always me able to come back to my Stock ROM once i figure how to create a backup ROM?
Am I missing any important point that I should know about?
I would really appreciate if you can help clarify this doubts that I got before i try to do anything.
Thanks
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ClockWorkMod is the preferred way to backup your ROM, but it does not seem to be working on the SGS4G currently. I was messing with it one night and actually think I got it to backup the Rom one time but I cannot guarantee that I did because I was working on a supposed fix and did not get a chance to copy the backup file to my computer before it got wiped off my SD card. The process is called nandroid backup. If you have a virgin phone and want a clean backup of your ROM you might want to wait until the fix comes out for CWM.
Once you root your phone you can install Titainum backup. That allows you to backup your apps/Data/System settings. At least that’s what it says it does. From what I’ve read, the best way to backup your apps is with ADB which is part of the Software Development Kit. You can also use Android Commander which uses ADB to Pull your apps to your computer and make a backup there. Check http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010006 for info on SDK and ADB commands. There is also a direction to making new apps install to your SD card natively. This link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001202 also shows that command and how to Reverse/Check status of settings.
The Noobs guide to Oden covers the basics to flashing your ROM fairly well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001759
The [ROM-ODIN]T959VUVKB5 Stock + Root and [ROM-ODIN] Deodexed KB5 Enhanced v2.2 are the two ROMs that are working now for most people. The first is Odexed the second is Deodexed. Odexed is how it comes stock and takes up less room but making modifications or taking apks from other roms is hard, While Deodexed allows modders to work on the apks & easily change stuff like themes. (Description Taken from Damage's DamageControl Thread) My suggestion is to have some patience and wait for ClockWorkMod to be updated and working for the SGS4G before you dive in too deep. Take some time to look around the 4g posts and read as much as you can to get familiar with what is working and what is not. Check some of the threads with locks on them to see what not to do. There is a wealth of information in these pages.
ClockWorkMod is the preferred way to backup your ROM, but it does not seem to be working on the SGS4G currently. I was messing with it one night and actually think I got it to backup the Rom one time but I cannot guarantee that I did because I was working on a supposed fix and did not get a chance to copy the backup file to my computer before it got wiped off my SD card. The process is called nandroid backup. If you have a virgin phone and want a clean backup of your ROM you might want to wait until the fix comes out for CWM.
Once you root your phone you can install Titainum backup. That allows you to backup your apps/Data/System settings. At least that’s what it says it does. From what I’ve read, the best way to backup your apps is with ADB which is part of the Software Development Kit. You can also use Android Commander which uses ADB to Pull your apps to your computer and make a backup there. Check http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010006 for info on SDK and ADB commands. There is also a direction to making new apps install to your SD card natively. This link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001202 also shows that command and how to Reverse/Check status of settings.
The Noobs guide to Oden covers the basics to flashing your ROM fairly well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001759
The [ROM-ODIN]T959VUVKB5 Stock + Root and [ROM-ODIN] Deodexed KB5 Enhanced v2.2 are the two ROMs that are working now for most people. The first is Odexed the second is Deodexed. Odexed is how it comes stock and takes up less room but making modifications or taking apks from other roms is hard, While Deodexed allows modders to work on the apks & easily change stuff like themes. (Description Taken from Damage's DamageControl Thread) My suggestion is to have some patience and wait for ClockWorkMod to be updated and working for the SGS4G before you dive in too deep. Take some time to look around the 4g posts and read as much as you can to get familiar with what is working and what is not. Check some of the threads with locks on them to see what not to do. There is a wealth of information in these pages.
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Thanks man! Really helpful. I will read into these threads and probably will wait for the clockwork to work for SGS4G.
I really don't see the advantage of flashing to Deodexed. Maybe i'm missing something?
So yesterday, completely oblivious to the fact that this forum existed, I went ahead and googled how to root my Charge.
What I came up with is what I believe to be a Kernel (what ever the crap that means) called Voodoo.
I (and please excuse my potentially improper use of terminology here) flashed the new Kernel to my Charge using Odin.
Great, I have superuser (what ever that is) and a rooted phone.
Here's what I want to:
1) Remove most if not all of stock apps/bloatware.
2) Increase speed and efficiency of the phone.
3) Increase or have the option to increase battery life.
4) Be able to do a wireless tether (hotspot?) or just regular tether.
5) Have gingerbread if it is worth getting in your opinion(s).
How do I get from where I am now, to where I want to be?
Here's what I've come up with based on what I have read on the forums here.
1) Install Gingerbread
2) Install Humble 2.0
3) ....
4) Profit?
Thanks for helping a noob, your reward will be only in your head
I have tried the lot of the Roms for the Droid Charge. And to me IMNUTS EE4 Debloated Stock ROM works the best and runs me all day from 4am to about 8pm without needing a charge. I happen to like the puzzle lock screen so thats why i chose this one. If you want AOSP (stock Froyo) then use one of the other roms and the P&J Kernel to save battery.
BTW. If you just don't like the TWLauncher, as I don't, you can use your own. I run the ADW EX Launcher using the y0rk's black ADW Theme. All inexpensive or free ways to make your Charge look better.
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I have tried the lot of the Roms for the Droid Charge. And to me IMNUTS EE4 Debloated Stock ROM works the best and runs me all day from 4am to about 8pm without needing a charge. I happen to like the puzzle lock screen so thats why i chose this one. If you want AOSP (stock Froyo) then use one of the other roms and the P&J Kernel to save battery.
BTW. If you just don't like the TWLauncher, as I don't, you can use your own. I run the ADW EX Launcher using the y0rk's black ADW Theme. All inexpensive or free ways to make your Charge look better.
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Sweet! Thanks for all the info.
Can I just install IMNUTS right over my voodoo install using Odin? Will it erase the voodoo kernel? (Sorry, noob's gotta ask noob questions)
Would you suggest going to gingerbread? I mean is there any benefit yet?
What is ADW EX Launcher? Something I can get off the market, something I have to use odin for, or something else entirely?
kagaos said:
Sweet! Thanks for all the info.
Can I just install IMNUTS right over my voodoo install using Odin? Will it erase the voodoo kernel? (Sorry, noob's gotta ask noob questions)
Would you suggest going to gingerbread? I mean is there any benefit yet?
What is ADW EX Launcher? Something I can get off the market, something I have to use odin for, or something else entirely?
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The EE4 debloated rom is just a rom - it is installed over an existing kernel (such as the voodoo kernel you installed) and won't overwrite its work.
I would not suggest going to the GB leak as of yet - there is no voodoo lagfix for it, the display quality is compromised, and the EG2 radio is subpar compared to our current EE4. Stick to the EE4 roms, for now.
As for the launcher, that's all personal taste. I personally use LauncherPro, and many like Go Launcher. Try them all out.
I'm new to the Charge scene as well, in fact my Charge is still waiting to be shipped. I do have some experience with Odin having used a Galaxy Vibrant before.
I'd like to get an answers on the following:
1. I intend to install the GummyCharge EE4 ROM located at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116086. Since this is a ROM flashed via CWR, do I Odin flash the Root Kernel from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1092114 and after that flash GummyCharge ROM via CWR?
2. On some of the ROMs that are flashed via Odin, can I simply Odin flash those ROMs w/o my phone being rooted first?
JK, use a .tar to flash in ODIN. They are identified as ODIN flashes. I used AlteredBeast to gain root and get CWM. If you want a different one then AB which is an awesome rom, then use CWM to flash the .zip file that you download.
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JK, use a .tar to flash in ODIN. They are identified as ODIN flashes. I used AlteredBeast to gain root and get CWM. If you want a different one then AB which is an awesome rom, then use CWM to flash the .zip file that you download.
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Thanks dragon, so it looks like if the ROM i want isn't Odin, I just flash an Odin ROM to gain root and CWM, then I can flash whatever ROM I like.
Looks like the 2.3.4 leak just came out too, time to read up on details for it. Decisions decisions.
aznxk3vi17 said:
The EE4 debloated rom is just a rom - it is installed over an existing kernel (such as the voodoo kernel you installed) and won't overwrite its work.
I would not suggest going to the GB leak as of yet - there is no voodoo lagfix for it, the display quality is compromised, and the EG2 radio is subpar compared to our current EE4. Stick to the EE4 roms, for now.
As for the launcher, that's all personal taste. I personally use LauncherPro, and many like Go Launcher. Try them all out.
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Awesome, thank you for the informative post! You guys are incredibly helpful here
Now, back to the launcher thing, what exactly is it? What does it do, and how do I go about getting and/or installing it?
kagaos said:
Awesome, thank you for the informative post! You guys are incredibly helpful here
Now, back to the launcher thing, what exactly is it? What does it do, and how do I go about getting and/or installing it?
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Launcher is basically the phones overlay. How the screens look and react and how the phone looks as you scroll and setup different widgets and apps. Basically when you turn your phone on. and it boots up the way explorer is to windows, is how launcher is to android.
Your phones GuI interface to put it easily. What you see is the launcher and how it works with your phone.
dragonstalker said:
Launcher is basically the phones overlay. How the screens look and react and how the phone looks as you scroll and setup different widgets and apps. Basically when you turn your phone on. and it boots up the way explorer is to windows, is how launcher is to android.
Your phones GuI interface to put it easily. What you see is the launcher and how it works with your phone.
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Excellent! Windows analogies help a lot. Kind of hard for me to take all this rooting business in, after all I hadn't heard of it before last week.
So I plan on flashing the EE4 Debloated using Odin followed by installing a launcher as well (using Odin?).
If the above looks good to you, then on to the next phase...
CWM Recovery. What is it, why do I need it and how do I get/install it?
Is there a comprehensive guide to all this rooting business? Like something that explains all the terminology and gives analogous scenarios to explain what it can do and what I can do with it?
P.S. Just let me know when I'm asking too many questions...
launchers are apps you download from the market.
Ok, I too have some NOOB questions.. I feel like I used to know a good bit about rooting etc etc... This was when I had my D1 though... Once i jumped to the d2 I got out of the scene of modding much.. I then switched to a fascinate and simply used 1 click root method (not too hard.. diff than what i was used to but not hard).. Now i'm completely lost.. I feel using Odin is what was most similar to how I rooted my d1 originally then installed the kernels or themes.. (flash a rom.. flash a kernel.. flash a theme).. Am I wrong?? I keep reading up on how to root, watching the vids.. but there seems to be a disconnect in my tiny little mind!!! lol!
From what I'm gathering when you flash one of the roms listed in other posts you gain root?... Then you can choose which kernel and theme and flash both of those as well? Or are the Roms themselves themed already?? (oh the glory days of the D1 I miss you!) I really hate myself for not keeping up with this stuff!!! My main goal here is root so that I can delete some of the preinstalled apps (just like everyone else wants to).. Of course trying to straighten out this god awful batt life (I have the charging dock with spare battery and go through both batts + some in one day) and possibly a theme (prolly at a later time unless it's easier than I think it is). Anyone care to shine some light on this for me? THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
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From what I'm gathering when you flash one of the roms listed in other posts you gain root?... Then you can choose which kernel and theme and flash both of those as well? Or are the Roms themselves themed already?? (oh the glory days of the D1 I miss you!) I really hate myself for not keeping up with this stuff!!! My main goal here is root so that I can delete some of the preinstalled apps (just like everyone else wants to).. Of course trying to straighten out this god awful batt life (I have the charging dock with spare battery and go through both batts + some in one day) and possibly a theme (prolly at a later time unless it's easier than I think it is). Anyone care to shine some light on this for me? THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
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Most ROMs are themed already by the author, but you can flash other themes over them. The ROMs marked debloated will have some of the preinstalled apps removed already. If that is all you want to do and you dont want the extra stuff some of the ROMs feature, look for "stock debloated" ROMs.
jkcheng122 said:
Most ROMs are themed already by the author, but you can flash other themes over them. The ROMs marked debloated will have some of the preinstalled apps removed already. If that is all you want to do and you dont want the extra stuff some of the ROMs feature, look for "stock debloated" ROMs.
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Ok, that makes a bit more sense... (the fact that they are already themed)
I appreciate the quick response.. I'm assuming then my idea of "how to" is correct. Pick a rom, flash.. Pick a kernel, flash.. if you want another theme... pick it and flash!??
UH OH...I had an accident!
I don't know how the crap this happened, but I had installed a few launchers to try them out. Then I was going to do a CWM backup...so I did. In the process of backing up my phone just randomly restarts and gets stuck at the Samsung logo.
What the crap happened!? Did I brick it? Can I fix it?
Freakin out here...
kagaos said:
UH OH...I had an accident!
I don't know how the crap this happened, but I had installed a few launchers to try them out. Then I was going to do a CWM backup...so I did. In the process of backing up my phone just randomly restarts and gets stuck at the Samsung logo.
What the crap happened!? Did I brick it? Can I fix it?
Freakin out here...
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You are fine. Take the battery out. open odin, plug usb cable into phone, Hold Vol Dn button and plug your usb cable into your pc. Reflash rom that you used to root with. Not sure how you were doin a CWM backup since it does not come with that feature.
dragonstalker said:
You are fine. Take the battery out. open odin, plug usb cable into phone, Hold Vol Dn button and plug your usb cable into your pc. Reflash rom that you used to root with. Not sure how you were doin a CWM backup since it does not come with that feature.
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you beat me to it! I was thinking more along the lines of using an odin restore file though... Wasn't sure which the better option was.
dragonstalker said:
You are fine. Take the battery out. open odin, plug usb cable into phone, Hold Vol Dn button and plug your usb cable into your pc. Reflash rom that you used to root with. Not sure how you were doin a CWM backup since it does not come with that feature.
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question for you.. I'm still missing something here.. Are all the roms listed in the "development" area odin friendly.. OR does it have to have [odin] next to it in order to be flashed with odin?
I'm currently completely stock and looking for the easiest way to root/flash rom.
dragonstalker said:
You are fine. Take the battery out. open odin, plug usb cable into phone, Hold Vol Dn button and plug your usb cable into your pc. Reflash rom that you used to root with. Not sure how you were doin a CWM backup since it does not come with that feature.
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As far as the CWM is concerned...I downloaded it off the app market after I rooted my phone.
But the only thing I did to my phone thus far was root it and added Voodoo Kernel. Should I flash it with that?
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Pick a rom, flash.. Pick a kernel, flash.. if you want another theme... pick it and flash!??
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Most ROMs have their own kernels, if you intend to use the same kernel that comes with the ROM, you can skip the flash kernel part after flashing the ROM.
Your statement should be more like this, "Pick a rom, flash... if you want another kernel and/or theme... pick them/it and flash!??"
So I waited for the GB update and I like it but I think it is time to root this phone. I want to stress that I have had this phone since a little bit after it came out about two weeks after and it has run like a champ from day 1. No problems at all so when I updated to gb it was actually a downgrade in some ways like the camera but I definitly like gb because of the text editing but I havent noticed any improvement in battery life or speed or signal or GPS but All thouse things were great before and they are great now.
So I am running GB 2.3.3 withthe july 15 baseband and kernel 2.6.32.9 and I know it is different to root but I dont fully uinderstand it so if someone can post a detailed guide with as much explanation as possible so I understand what I am doing I would greatly appriciate it. I assume you cant get NV flasher from the market (I Havent looked) and what is cwm or cmw and if I flash a new rom will I loose the new baseband? Or can I get root permissions and keep stock GB? Tahnk you for all your help
First read the sticky at the top of the Android Development page. That sticky basically explains everything you will need to know, step by step.
In summary though....
Step 1 - NVFlash (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847)
Step 2 - Download Xboarders Rooted OTA.zip (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179748)
Step 3 - Boot into Clockwork Recovery
Step 4 - Install Zip from SD Card - the Zip you downloaded above
Voila you have rooted GB 2.3.3 with new baseband.
An alternative that I would suggest would be Eaglesblood 1.06 GB 2.3.3 though, smoothest ROM on the boards IMO and based on GB 2.3.3
jabhome said:
An alternative that I would suggest would be Eaglesblood 1.06 GB 2.3.3 though, smoothest ROM on the boards IMO and based on GB 2.3.3
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I've tried both Roms and I would have to sway that Xboarder's Tweaked Rom is the best GB update 2.3.3 Rom.
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I've tried both Roms and I would have to sway that Xboarder's Tweaked Rom is the best GB update 2.3.3 Rom.
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Did not try Xboarders tweaked, maybe I will give it a try.
Does swype work on that rom as phone just took a dump with swype beta. First reboot in over two months just now.
Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk
Follow the advice above. I flashed a rom for the first time today.
Does the Netflix app work on xboarder's rom? I'm having issues with HDMI on CM7 going out about every 5 minutes but coming right back. I really need the netflix app for travel.
+1 on xboarders. Runs smooth and has all of the stock features
Sent from my LG-P999
thanks guys that was what I thought. So it really is that easy? What actually gives it the root? is it the xboarders rom? I am going to ask alot of questions because I want to understand how it actually works so please bear with me. It sounds like it actually got easir to root with this update no? It seems like NVflash is a app or program that lets me put the rom on my sim card should I go internal or external? I have a whole bunch of external cards with diffewrent capacitys and the one i use now is 16 gig. Then clockwork recovery is a program that is already on the dvice I dont know if it is part of android or what but it is alrady there right? It lets me choose wether I want to recover or make a backup of roms or install new ones correct? Then when I put the tweeked rom on it has something in it hat roots the phone magically.
Please let me know what I am right about and what I am not right about and give me the correct answers because I really want to know I am a nosey motherfer
Charlie
So According to the thread in this forum titles "how to get the new baseband" the rooted version of the new rom does not contain the new baseband. Or is that the leaked gingerbread that came out a few months ago way before the update came out? He is not talking about xboarders rom right? If I do what was suggested here I will in fact have the new baseband and 2.3.3 rooted right?
Charlie
correct
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So According to the thread in this forum titles "how to get the new baseband" the rooted version of the new rom does not contain the new baseband. Or is that the leaked gingerbread that came out a few months ago way before the update came out? He is not talking about xboarders rom right? If I do what was suggested here I will in fact have the new baseband and 2.3.3 rooted right?
Charlie
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If you have the new baseband now no roms will change that.
The roms do not include the baseband .
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thanks guys that was what I thought. So it really is that easy? What actually gives it the root? is it the xboarders rom? I am going to ask alot of questions because I want to understand how it actually works so please bear with me. It sounds like it actually got easir to root with this update no? It seems like NVflash is a app or program that lets me put the rom on my sim card should I go internal or external? I have a whole bunch of external cards with diffewrent capacitys and the one i use now is 16 gig. Then clockwork recovery is a program that is already on the dvice I dont know if it is part of android or what but it is alrady there right? It lets me choose wether I want to recover or make a backup of roms or install new ones correct? Then when I put the tweeked rom on it has something in it hat roots the phone magically.
Please let me know what I am right about and what I am not right about and give me the correct answers because I really want to know I am a nosey motherfer
Charlie
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I flash from my external SD Card. You just need to decide where you want to install from, and then make sure you set up NVFlash with the correct support, external or internal.
Not sure of the exact terminology, but I think the procedure itself would be called to NVFlash ClockworkMod. NVFlash is the procedure to install CWM, while CWM is the program that you will run via Volume Down + Power when you boot up. CWM 4.0.0.2 will boot up and from there you will be able to flash roms, backup and restore Nandroids.
Ah that makes sense Now I see CWM stands for Clock work mod. See I was thinking CWM is a rom I actually thought it stood for cyogen mod I just couldnt figure out the W. So when I flash CWM it contains the root permissions already is that how it works?
So I should use nvflash to install cwm then I should probally make a backup of my stock rom. Also If I just install or flash CWM and not flash a new rom then Will my phone be rooted stock? or do I have to flash the xborders rom to gain root?
Thanks alot guys
Charlie
mojorisin7178 said:
Ah that makes sense Now I see CWM stands for Clock work mod. See I was thinking CWM is a rom I actually thought it stood for cyogen mod I just couldnt figure out the W. So when I flash CWM it contains the root permissions already is that how it works?
So I should use nvflash to install cwm then I should probally make a backup of my stock rom. Also If I just install or flash CWM and not flash a new rom then Will my phone be rooted stock? or do I have to flash the xborders rom to gain root?
Thanks alot guys
Charlie
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CWM doesn't "contain" root permissions, it just allows you to flash any ROM into the phone, rooted or otherwise. The Xboarder ROM is pre-rooted, along with most of the others.
THANK YOU!
I too am a noob and was a little confused. I'd search the forums and come up with too much info. Plus, some terms used on this forum are slightly overloaded (in the C++ context) from the classic meanings, like "ROM" and "baseband". Those terms as used here do not mean exactly what they meant 20 years ago.
I'm sure I need to read more on app dev (but I have too many hobbies already), but I'm confused about the layers of s/w. As a noob, I would think the layers would be BIOS or maybe BSP, Linux, Android. So I don't understand:
1) where does the clockwork mod fit within the layers?
1a) nvdia nvflash installs new drivers in the Linux layer?
2) what is contained in the ROM image? A new version of Linux, andriod, nvdia drivers, baseband?
3) Is there a BIOS/BSP, or is all register access done in Linux drivers?
I'm not looking for a developers level answer to these questions, more of the readers digest version of the answers.
Since I'm having black screen of death (I believe referred to here as "SOD"), on two phones, I'd like to understand more, to figure out if this problem is h/w or s/w. I am definitely leaning towards s/w problems and my wife and I would love to keep these phones.
Thanks again.
-Bob
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Ah that makes sense Now I see CWM stands for Clock work mod. See I was thinking CWM is a rom I actually thought it stood for cyogen mod I just couldnt figure out the W. So when I flash CWM it contains the root permissions already is that how it works?
So I should use nvflash to install cwm then I should probally make a backup of my stock rom. Also If I just install or flash CWM and not flash a new rom then Will my phone be rooted stock? or do I have to flash the xborders rom to gain root?
Thanks alot guys
Charlie
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Continuing off of what Spyvie said, you do need to flash xboarder's rom to gain root, (more like repeating what he said). As for nvflash, this should make things a bit easier. tgagunman made a nice one click feature that if you follow the directions, should be easier to follow. You will get clockwork mod recovery, it will be nvflashed, but it's a lot easier for a non-techie to use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
I want to thank everyone who chimed in you guys have been really good to me Bob has some really good questions also and I hope this thread can help you out bob. That is why I started this thread for people like me who are really good with computers and like to mess around but don't quite understand phones. Every time something goes wrong with my PC I go to the forums and I fix it myself then I feel good. (And I have had some real disasters on my PC I have come back from)
Anyway I will be doing this procedure soon as I feel confident that I can do it and I see there is a fix for unbricking phones. One last question before I hit the green light: Can it be unrooted just in case I have to send it back for warantey issues and can CWM be uninstalled? I suspect that since the ROM is pre-rooted that all I would have to do is format and install my original ROM then uninstall CWM is that on point or no? And Again THANKS TO ALL WHO CHIME IN WITH THE ANSWERS AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OTHERS TO CHIME IN WITH THERE QUESTIONS.
Charlie
Okay so I checked out the links. So I gather that step 1 has to be skipped now because super1click does not work. So we can just NVflash CWM which looks easy enough. Now I have winzip on my computer will that work for extracting .rar files? I am pretty sure it will but I want to make sure. And I am going to shut off user control permissions and I use MS security essentials for my Anti virus so I am thinking of shutting that off for this procedure would that be a wise thing and is there anything else that I should do. I am not a computer expert but I am not a idiot either I am just inexperienced. Thank you guys
Charlie
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Can it be unrooted just in case I have to send it back for warantey issues and can CWM be uninstalled?
Charlie
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You can restore you Nandroid of the preroot OTA, or you can unroot with the unroot zip that Xboarder provided in his link.
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Okay so I checked out the links. So I gather that step 1 has to be skipped now because super1click does not work. So we can just NVflash CWM which looks easy enough. Now I have winzip on my computer will that work for extracting .rar files? I am pretty sure it will but I want to make sure. And I am going to shut off user control permissions and I use MS security essentials for my Anti virus so I am thinking of shutting that off for this procedure would that be a wise thing and is there anything else that I should do. I am not a computer expert but I am not a idiot either I am just inexperienced. Thank you guys
Charlie
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no, there is nothing else you need to do to your computer. The link provided by the brother above (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847) is where you need to be. Skip the one click root and go straight to NV flash. It will guide you through installing the nvidia drivers you need. TGA_Gunnman has is laid out really nice and easy to follow and the program he put together (one click clm recovery nv flasher) is really simple to understand and use. he also has another post out there (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060715) that is also helpfull. Once you get nv flash done make sure you copy the rom you want on your sd card. IMO Xboarders is very nice and smooth. You will hold down volume down and power together until you see the android screen. Then in the menu use vol keys to move to backup and restore and use power to select. Then move to yes and run the backup. then you can wipe data/factory restore. Then wipe cache. Then go to advanced and wipe dalvic and batt stats. Then go back to "choose zip from sd" and find your rom zip and select it. It will run for a while and tell you when its done, Then go to advanced again and fix permission. After that just go to reboot option and let it reboot. It may take a little longer the first time, just let it go. When it reboots you will have a rooted 2.3.3 with the new baseband you just updated to. After that go to the market and get Titanium Backup and run a backup of all your apps and data. From there your pretty much good to start flashing away. Have fun, Good luck
Hi everyone,
Noob here, looking for some phone specific info. After extensive research I have not found exactly what I'm looking for thus the reason for this post. Thanks in advance.
I'm looking for help finding the safest, simplest, most reliable way to root my 959v. I want to root so that I can a) delete preloaded browser bookmarks b) delete preloaded bloatware c) file share with my PC over WIFI (with Samba?) and d) block pop up ads (adfree). I need to be able to undo this in case of a warranty issue and I don't want to lose any of the function of the phone (i.e. front face camera, contacts sync, wifi).
Couple questions: Will factory reset take care of the bloatware and bookmarks?
Also, has anyone found a way to put a 4g toggle switch icon, like the power bar that comes with the phone, or do I need a new ROM to do this, and what does everyone recommend as for an O.S. / ROM. Thanks!
Firmware: 2.2.1
Kernel: 2.6.32.9
Build: FROYO.VUVKD1
i would suggest you flash ravers odin kj6 rom. then flash drhonks kj1 kernel with odin too in order to root it. both go in pda section. then flash through cwm soma's simplysimple rom wich is debloated or just use titanium backup to remove bloat from your rooted stock kj6.
I consider myself pretty technical but I don't completely understand Roms and kernels. By flashing a ROM, are you changing the OS and/or GUI? Does it overwrite the old OS or just make an amendment to it? Will any old Roms be left taking up useless space in memory? What about kernels? Thanks,,
Joe
Flashing a new rom is like re-installing windows on a PC. you need to backup your data before you flash.
The best way to root, is to either use ODIN to flash a new kernel that already had root (doesn't replace the whole rom), or use the latest superoneclick to root. Rooting does not erase your data. Then you can use a program like titanium backup to remove bloatware.
check out the dev form, and look for the bible thread, there are links to roms and guides on how to safely flash your phone. You are going to have to read up a bit to become familiar with how this phone works.
good luck.
Normally, I follow FB's ext4 guide.
But since my phone has been UnBrickable Modded, I've made a kj6 Back-To-Stock One-Click. This oneclick will basically get your phone to where it would be if you got your phone new with kj6 preloaded. RaverX3X tested for me, so I know it works well. After you run the one-click, odin kj1 from drhonk or extract the zImage and Heimdall it to KERNEL and RECOVERY partitions.
If you run the One-Click a second time, you will also get the right bootloaders for GB.
What if I have the KD1? What is all this KJ6/KJ1 about? Do I have to find and manually reinstall drivers for my device? Does a ROM need to be compatible with a Kernel or vice versa? How do I know what ROMS/Kernels will work with my device?
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What if I have the KD1? What is all this KJ6/KJ1 about? Do I have to find and manually reinstall drivers for my device? Does a ROM need to be compatible with a Kernel or vice versa? How do I know what ROMS/Kernels will work with my device?
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Well, KJ6 was just released (leaks and source).
KJ1 (kernel) was the last voodoo kernel that drhonk made.
There isn't a KJ6 voodoo kernel, yet.
KD1 is Froyo.
Drivers... If the drivers you have now work, then don't change them
The roms and kernels we are all talking about will work with your device, because they are modified leaks for your device.
Just don't go off flashing stuff from other device forums. That is stupid.
You're basically safe if you mix froyo kernels with froyo roms, and gingerbread kernels with gingerbread roms.
Ok thanks a lot that I can understand. I'll need to brush up on differences between gingerbraed vs. froyo, and whether or not ice cream sandwich is going to be worth the headache. I'm actually happy with the stock rom, it's just that I hate bloatware, and any spy programs, and I want total control over my file access, wifi file sharing, bookmarks/etc. So really all I need to do is root the phone, I was thinking of superoneclick, but I'm not sure the device is supported.
Okay. You NEED to READ. Really dont know if SuperOneClick works with our phone? Come on. Do some research first.
There's a lot of techno jargon babble out there I'm trying to sort through, I'm not 100% literate on everything smartphone yet. When you flash a new kernel, say, KJ6, what happens to your applications? In a windows system they would stop working, but their data files would still exist. Are programs unchanged, do they leave useless data files, or can they somehow be reactivated, like the installer package and the data are in the same folder, just need a little help filling in the blanks Thanks
I know how you feel, but there is not "do it just like this and you will get this result," because development has been fast and furious, even a little ad hoc. The Bible is useful to a point, but in the end you are just going to have to read and cautiously test. If you stick with stock KJ6, your phone should work as intended. If you move to a custom ROM, some things may be buggy and other things may work even better than stock. For instance, battery life is improved via a couple roms I have tried, but wifi (dynamic dhcp) suffers. You just have to proceeed CAUTIOUSLY. Tha's the best advice I can offer.
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There's a lot of techno jargon babble out there I'm trying to sort through, I'm not 100% literate on everything smartphone yet. When you flash a new kernel, say, KJ6, what happens to your applications? In a windows system they would stop working, but their data files would still exist. Are programs unchanged, do they leave useless data files, or can they somehow be reactivated, like the installer package and the data are in the same folder, just need a little help filling in the blanks Thanks
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If you are looking to JUST ROOT your SGS4G then I would recommend SuperOneClick. Version 2.2 worked for me running stock 2.3.6.
I'm rooting my phone as we speak using superoneclick 1.6.5 shortfuse. I enabled usb debugging, download samsung drivers to pc, installed drivers to pc, then started superoneclick and plugged in the phone. Clicked rageagainstthecage, "ROOT", then after about 10 minutes my girlfriend called me, which I had to answer, only to find out that she was breaking up with me, then it got to the part where it says "running rageagainstthecage" and now it's basically frozen after 30 minutes, superoneclick icon saying "(Not Responding)" Great...
Update: No combination of rebooting and rageagainstthecage was compatible with my device/os/version of superoneclick. I used SuperOneClick 1.6.5, my OS is stock 2.2 froyo, and the with usb debugging enabled, it froze every time. Using psneuter, it worked ok, the superuser icon is there... so, for a test. I went to the browser, still cannot delete those annoying bookmarks. Ok, so now to try and delete some bloatware.... still cannot delete any factory installed programs. So, that seems a bit pointless, I'm going to play with wifi filesharing, file explorer, and see what I can access, will report back.
My ultimate goal is to have a fast as **** phone, complete functionality, no bloatware, all custom apps, I want to be able to shortucut ANYTHING to the desktop, especially a 4g toggle switch. How close am I? So far the phone runs a lot slower than before I rooted.
<< Another wierd glitch, when I went to the market without rebooting the phone first, the screen went black, it vibrated in sets of 3 pulses, and I had to hard power down to reset. Went back to market and problem did not reoccur>>
Ok so I installed Titanium Backup, umm yay now for some fun, started deleting everything that didn't look familiar including those pesky sec.android.acore.blahblahblah and now my phone does that 3 vibe thing and I have to reboot. Ok so next chore is reflashing the rom I guess....
Glad you got it working... ummm, sort of?
From what I understand about where you are, I would
1. Use odin 1.8.5 to flash KJ6 stock.
2. Let it reboot and do its thing for a bit (say, 5 minutes?)
3. Check to see if everything is working, stock--4g, wifi, browser, market etc.
4. Use SuperOneClick 2.2 (after setting usb debug in settings-->applications) to root. May take a few tense minutes, but it works. Least it did for me.
5. Load your titanium and uninstall stock apps as you desire.
6. Get a full charge and calibrate your battery.
7. Lust after the roms (especially the great looking 2.3.5 based one by Raverx3x) that require CWM, but cry over your fear of a no-stock recovery.
Should get you where you want to go.
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Ok so I installed Titanium Backup, umm yay now for some fun, started deleting everything that didn't look familiar including those pesky sec.android.acore.blahblahblah and now my phone does that 3 vibe thing and I have to reboot. Ok so next chore is reflashing the rom I guess....
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Well, I'm officially the master of this sheeet box. DAAAAANG SKIIPPPY FOLKS I had a soft brick condition, didn't know what the f to do, started getting lost on google and good old you tube led me home, can you believe I was bout to cut my usb wire to make a jig no no no not necessary, just hold both volume button and plug in usb, it goes to download mode. Next I couldn't get odin to recognize the phone but eventually went straight to pc (not through my usb hub) and it popped up, I flased the zip of the closest thing I could find to my stock 2.2 froyo, now I have KB5, kernel 2.6.32.9 wtf wow it almost the same but noticeably different, the settings menu is different, it came pre-rooted, but video skype works perfectly and on front facing camera booyah
been fun fellas talk again soon
I am glad you are where you want to be, but DUDE! I assumed you knew how to get into download mode up vol+down vol+plug in usb. Jeeez! That's frickin' basic! Anyway, glad you're sailing. You should be able to Odin 2.3.6 and root it with SuperOneClick 2.2 now, if you want. I am still trying to get upo the nerve to load CWM and try Raverx3x's Octane. It's a downgrade from 2.3.6, but the screenshots look tasty!
Farlander said:
Well, I'm officially the master of this sheeet box. DAAAAANG SKIIPPPY FOLKS I had a soft brick condition, didn't know what the f to do, started getting lost on google and good old you tube led me home, can you believe I was bout to cut my usb wire to make a jig no no no not necessary, just hold both volume button and plug in usb, it goes to download mode. Next I couldn't get odin to recognize the phone but eventually went straight to pc (not through my usb hub) and it popped up, I flased the zip of the closest thing I could find to my stock 2.2 froyo, now I have KB5, kernel 2.6.32.9 wtf wow it almost the same but noticeably different, the settings menu is different, it came pre-rooted, but video skype works perfectly and on front facing camera booyah
been fun fellas talk again soon
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Really wtf. Download phone drivers, Odin program, Ravers Odin Kj6 ROM and drhonk KJ1 kernel. You need nothing else.
SOC 2.x
How many times and in how many (slightly) different ways can one say the same damn thing? If he has flashed KJ6 already and wants to keep that kernel, then I still say SuperOneClick 2.2 will root his device. Am I wrong? Why do people keep using SOC 1.x then complain about not getting it to root their gb 2.3.6 successfully?
SOC 2.x...use it!
http://shortfuse.org/
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Really wtf. Download phone drivers, Odin program, Ravers Odin Kj6 ROM and drhonk KJ1 kernel. You need nothing else.
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Hello, XDA! and, even though we haven't met yet, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STUFF ON MY PHONE!!!!!! This is my first, and dreaded post.
I'm new to smartphones. My first was an iSUCK 3g. Now, I have the SGS4G! I'm totally new to this wprld, and every day, I'm being blown away by something new. Anyways, I have read two guides on this site already, but I'm still suffering from a little confusion. I think my problem comes from when I first rooted my phone. I was in a hurry to root it, because I needed to unlock the carrier permissions, so I could use my ATT sim. I hadn't found this site yet, sadly. I had tried a few things, to no avail, until I came across a you-tube video with some kid showing me how it's done, and other littler kids screaming in the background. Following the video step, by step, got it done, but he failed to go over, and explain what we were actually doing. Now, I don't know what ROM I have, or what kernel. It's not a big issue, because this phone now totally blows me away, especially the launchers.
I really enjoy this phone over the iSucks, becuase I like computers, and I'm more tech savvy than most. Perhaps that's where more of my confusion comes from... the terminology. So, on to the issue:
My RAM seems to run unusually high! with the GOtskmanager, it's always clocking between %72 - %79. I got RAM Manager Pro, which sometimes brings me down to %65 - %69, but it usually doesn't last long. I think I have it nailed down. I think it comes from certain apps that seem to run themselves. I have auto sync off, and I've DONE MY RESEARCH (some of which, I've yet to comprehend) I know not to use a task killer to routinely kill apps, and I know how the OS works, and allocates its RAM. So, I won't even worry about it if someone says these levels are normal.
Any tips on what I should do with my new phone? I saw a video that I can't find again, where this guy had his homescreen set up in such away, that the apps made this 3d cube of tiny boxes (apps) that moved like a rubik's cube. HOW DO I DO THAT!? It's not in any of the launchers I've tried. Anyways, thank you once again, XDA, you guys are awesome. I'm just a newb. Thank you to the users who made the guides!!
Ram is at 84% right now, NOT DOING ANYTHING!
Look at my guide that i have linked in my sig and read through the second post to find a custom rom that you like (i suggest Valhalla Black) and my guide tells you how to flash it. If you have questions, feel free to ask in the guide thread or pm me
And I believe the 3d cubes are part of SPB Shell launcher
Sent from my SGH-T959V using xda premium
Thank you Julz! I have read your guide thoroughly. I know to search, and research before asking questions. Like I said, I'm just slightly still confused. Did I not put a custom ROM on my phone when I rooted it?
Do I have to factory restore, or uninstall the current ROM in some way before getting another?
Also, I think I fixed the RAM issue. What is normal levels for my device? I can't find normal RAM levels listed anywhere on the net for my device.
Read the first link in my signature as an addition to Juls' guide. After rooting GB you need a custom kernel. Look for SGS Kernel Flasher in either guide to take your next step.
I think you should research more. But to help you a bit...
How you rooted your phone? You know about ClockWorkMod Recovery? Know about Odin or Heimdall?
Also, there is a section in Setting that tells a lot of your phone that is called About Phone.
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I think you should research more. But to help you a bit...
How you rooted your phone? You know about ClockWorkMod Recovery? Know about Odin or Heimdall?
Also, there is a section in Setting that tells a lot of your phone that is called About Phone.
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Firmware: 2.3.6
Baseband: TE59VUVKJ6
Kernel: 2.6.35.7-sms-kj6-vo.1.0+
Build: GINGERBREAD.VUVKJ6
I used Heimdall to do this, as per the video guide I followed. I just downloaded Odin, for future tasks. I love the Norse theme to this stuff, I know the Eddas practically by heart, as well as the elder Futhark, and actual history of the ancient Scandanavian Vikings.
Be sure to keep your ODIN and Heimdall ports seperate. You can get by with CWM for custom ROM's now except to recover or clean your phone up. Read the Gremlin Remover thread to consider using after a custom ROM flash or two. Your other option is KJ6 Heimdall One-Click.
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Be sure to keep your ODIN and Heimdall ports seperate. You can get by with CWM for custom ROM's now except to recover or clean your phone up. Read the Gremlin Remover thread to consider using after a custom ROM flash or two. Your other option is KJ6 Heimdall One-Click.
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Thank you very much for the tip. Advice heeded! Now, do you know anything about my ram? Why my Go Task mnger is always reading that my RAM is almost always above 70% used?
Read the guide I mentioned above. Get on a custom ROM. Then look at RAM. You are on stock bloated ROM at the moment.
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Read the guide I mentioned above. Get on a custom ROM. Then look at RAM. You are on stock bloated ROM at the moment.
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I've read the guides, the only thing I don't understand about that process, is that, will I need to set up all my apps again, am I starting my phone from scratch? Which ROM would you personally suggest?
When I'm using a custom ROM, am I restricted in any way? Can I still use the market?
Did you read the guide in the first link in my signature as suggested above?
It is best to start fresh when flashing a new ROM. A lot of apps have back up features within the app for settings and such (i.e. GoLauncher).
I recommend Valhalla Black. But all the 2.3.6 ROM's are great.
No restrictions. Except maybe watching movies in the market on rooted devices.
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Did you read the guide in the first link in my signature as suggested above?
It is best to start fresh when flashing a new ROM. A lot of apps have back up features within the app for settings and such (i.e. GoLauncher).
I recommend Valhalla Black. But all the 2.3.6 ROM's are great.
No restrictions. Except maybe watching movies in the market on rooted devices.
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I didn't read that guide, becuase I'm not on Froyo
Read it.
One more thing. You say start from scratch... Factory Reset? So I will need to root again? Also, I had to unlock the phone to use with ATT. Will I have to do that again?
I mean with your apps. Factory reset won't unroot you. It isn't a bad idea to do a factory reset between flashings as a precautionary measure.
You shouldn't have to unlock again either.
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Also, I had to unlock the phone to use with ATT. Will I have to do that again?
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I'm on ATT as well and flash my phone all the time. I've never lost the unlock.
My brother, thank you so very much for the info! I have been reading the guide you mentioned, and now I know why. 2 guides in there! I can't thank you enough, I've hit thanks on all your replies here, because little by little, you're really helping my understanding of it all. It must be frustrating trying to help people like myself! Thanks for trying to push this stuff through my thick head! However, I've encountered another problem, following your guide:
Trying to back up my efs folder, using Astro File Manager... says it cannot do it! I guess this means I need something that requests superuser permissions?
Any program you would recommend? or can I just do it manually with my computer, like save it on my comp or something?
I recommend starting where it talks about SGS Kernel Flasher. Then once you have the custom kernel with CWM - do and nandroid back up and save the nandroid back up on your computer for safe keeping. That will have your efs folder within it. And I recommended Super Manager
And flash this kernel -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25115050&postcount=1
I guess the kernel I have, doesn't have CWM. So, if I flash a new one, do I need to delete the one I have first or anything? Or just go about flashing a new one, like I never did one in the first place? I can try to find the video guide I followed if you think it will help.