I'm not saying that other roms have to look like MIUI; I'm Just thinking out loud here. MIUI Is a totally custom skin over android correct? Can't we have more of this? The developers here usually re-theme an existing rom or port roms from other devices. Android is GREAT and the developers here are talented for sure, but look at what the Chinese are doing for android, Where is the American counterpart? The devs do a fantastic job of porting MIUI to other devices, and with all the talent on this site can't we get another rom like MIUI where it totally redefines android? There is a lack of originality with most of these roms here.
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I have been scouring all over this Forum for a while now.
Anyway, I have a proposal.
Why dont all the Customized WM6 ROM creators work together and build SINGLE ROM for all?
Maybe they can create a few additions such as Multimedia, Business or Ultimate edition. Can try identifying key areas and programs and make them work flawlessly in this single ROM.
Just an idea.
The reason there are so many is because they do this for themselves in most cases, so you will find things they wanted to include, not for the great unwashed masses.
You will find one or two that work together, and they solve issues that have been a problem for them, but this is as a learning experience so they can overcome an issue, not to benefit mankind.
You could also ask why don't all of the world governments work together to get world peace, since they all claim to want it.
It's possible to built a vanilla ROM and make several Extended ROMs with flavors for every taste...
In the other hand it's good to have some "competition" between developers.
AlanJC said:
You could also ask why don't all of the world governments work together to get world peace, since they all claim to want it.
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Hehehe.... well said...
Also, this was done recently(or something quite like it...) by Leo and Beast, to create the new ROM, hopefully bug-free...
yeah i love cyanogen he is one of the best developers ot here in my opionion i need some 2.0 or 2.0.1 now this 1.6 thing is old cyanogen i know you could do it ur a great developer please try making this for us alot of people on here will be appreciated !
DO THE POLL ABOVE
it saddens me to see all these devlopers working on the 2.0 update and just seeing cyanogen work on all these 1.6 updates i know hes doing it out of his kindness and he dosent have to do it but why stay on the oldies why not hop on the new topics
ALLL HAIL CYANOGEN!(in my opinion)
He's not doing 2.0 because camera drivers haven't been released yet, among other things.
I just have to say that this is sorta disrespectful to Cyanogen? He's doing this in his spare time and he's been doing a fantastic job so far as a major motivating force in the community. And you're trying to tell him what to do?
If you'd been paying attention to his twitter feed or to him in general you'd know that he's been working on an experimental version that will mostly likely be 2.0 based.
People like you give all users a bad name.
he has ported much of 2.0.1 too 1.6 . and its HTC's fault he hasn't went to the newer build. They are no longer providing us recovery images or drivers. Plus you can build cyanogens eclair but you need to from git, its not really production quality without drivers. Trust me Cyanogen mod get allot of credit due to quality,. he will start a new experimental rom when the drivers are out.
Also, Cyanogen if I remember right creates his builds from the Android Source code rather than porting roms from other phones. If that's the case, Google announced yesterday that 2.0 isn't being open sourced for a couple of days.
this is COMPLETLY DISRESPECTFUL TO CYANOGEN. ANY ANDROID ROOTER WITH A BRAIN KNOWS THAT CYANOGEN HASNT GONE FULL 2.0 BECAUSE OF THE CAMERA DRIVERS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE CLOSED AND THE OP SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO FLASH CM ROMS anymore due to lack of respect and a ****ing brain.
If you are not happy - move on. Cyanogen's ROM is the only ROM I will put on my phone. I will not vote in your poll.
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Also, Cyanogen if I remember right creates his builds from the Android Source code rather than porting roms from other phones. If that's the case, Google announced yesterday that 2.0 isn't being open sourced for a couple of days.
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Thats totally incorrect. there is a 2.0 AOSP , cyanogen even has 2.0 code in his git repo. It is open source. At first it wasn't and you could only get it with a droid but now its open.
There are plenty of devs who only work on the latest stuff meaning their ROM's are never 100% stable. IMHO, sticking with one version and working on it, will lead to a more stable ROM's.
It is entirely up to cyanogen what ROMs he makes and which he doesn't. I don't think needs pressure on that front. This thread is already getting into disagreements, and is in the wrong forum.
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Over at Desire development we had a great idea. The idea is to organize ROMs for all phones on a website. Chefs can post their ROM's features, different versions, etc. The website will allow users to compare different roms using a sophisticated comparison tool. Much like this: h t t p://clips.srious.biz/WindowClippings_bd156b9be2ef4749a0bac8ca541cb0ee.png
Currently, it's really hard to find a decent ROM. There is no place where you can find different ROMs and compare their features.
I am wondering if there is any incentive for chefs to maintain their ROMs on such a website.
As new ROMs are released every day, and there are so many phones, it is really hard to keep track of for staff of such a website.
I will build this website myself if there are enough people to support this idea.
art0rs said:
Over at Desire development we had a great idea. The idea is to organize ROMs for all phones on a website. Chefs can post their ROM's features, different versions, etc. The website will allow users to compare different roms using a sophisticated comparison tool. Much like this: h t t p://clips.srious.biz/WindowClippings_bd156b9be2ef4749a0bac8ca541cb0ee.png
Currently, it's really hard to find a decent ROM. There is no place where you can find different ROMs and compare their features.
I am wondering if there is any incentive for chefs to maintain their ROMs on such a website.
As new ROMs are released every day, and there are so many phones, it is really hard to keep track of for staff of such a website.
I will build this website myself if there are enough people to support this idea.
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I know NRGZ28 cooks a lot of Roms for a lot of Devices and i do not think he would have time to be posting anywhere else, Plus i do not think its right to compare Roms to each other, last thing a cook wants to see is his hard work being being compared and told its not as good as X its up to each individual to see what they like the best as the same ROM can run differently on the same two devices depending on where they live how old is the battery what they are running, just my 2p worth
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Plus i do not think its right to compare Roms to each other
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How do you pick your ROMs? Randomly? Isn't that what you do with any other piece of software? Pick the best? If they do not want their roms to be compared to others, there is no reason to post them.
Ok guys, it's been brought to my attention that my post was
1. Cantankerous.
2. Seemingly disrespectful of devs great work on here.
3. Taken too seriously for being an internet forum.
I would like to say sorry, and explain what I mean I tihnk it would be awesome to pull together the necessary funding for our very talented developers to create an XDA exclusive, completely original ROM. I'm not sure if it is possible, but something that is just for the Thunderbolt alone and isn't sense, isn't AOSP, isn't MIUI, and DEFINITELY not like Motorboat... I mean Motorblur. I think we really are on to something with the work that the Dev's are doing with taking different roms and porting them/using other roms as bases and then building from them; lets see what we can do to completely change the way that this stuff is done(if possible) by polling ideas(not unreasonable wishlists) and putting it all together. Possibly coordinating between Team BAMF, Chingy, and some other the other recognized DEV's.
What does everyone else think?
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I'm not sure if it is possible, but something that is just for the Thunderbolt alone and isn't sense, isn't AOSP, isn't MIUI, and DEFINITELY not like Motorboat...
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If it isn't sense/blur/touchwiz, it is AOSP. Miui is just modified AOSP (with no sources given back), just like all the other roms not sense/blur/touchwiz are also based on AOSP. You do know what AOSP means right? Android Open Source Project as in the android operation system that is the basis to all android phones just modded by the OEMs. What you're asking is similar to saying:
"Hey, I'm bored with linux, unix, osx and windows, can we make a new operating system totally not based on any of those for our computers?"
Perhaps rephrase your question one more time in a way that makes more sense? Third time is a winner
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If it isn't sense/blur/touchwiz, it is AOSP. Miui is just modified AOSP (with no sources given back), just like all the other roms not sense/blur/touchwiz are also based on AOSP. You do know what AOSP means right? Android Open Source Project as in the android operation system that is the basis to all android phones just modded by the OEMs. What you're asking is similar to saying:
"Hey, I'm bored with linux, unix, osx and windows, can we make a new operating system totally not based on any of those for our computers?"
Perhaps rephrase your question one more time in a way that makes more sense? Third time is a winner
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Ya got a point, I actually didn't know that! BUT, regardless of how its phrased, what do ya think it would require to do somethig like I mentioned? I, personally would love to see something excitingly new put out here. Like with the miui project, any chance of people putting their heads together to figure it out?
You've got OS's and you have UI's. Obviously it is entirely possible to custom build a UI, but its FAR more difficult than porting one over or mixing and mashing parts of Sense together. UberBAMF is definitely something new and out of the box. That's more radical than anything I ever expected... Or have ever seen elsewhere. UIs do a lot to sell a device, so its worth it for HTC or Samsung to invest in building one. Not so much for a team of volunteer devs.
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Ya got a point, I actually didn't know that! BUT, regardless of how its phrased, what do ya think it would require to do somethig like I mentioned? I, personally would love to see something excitingly new put out here. Like with the miui project, any chance of people putting their heads together to figure it out?
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Chances are unlikely to get a new user interface geared to only one phone built from the ground up from the android source by a team for a few reasons:
1) Lack of like-minded (knowledgeable) developers for one device that are currently free. Developers are very opinionated (just from my own experience even if they don't want to admit it). What should/shouldn't go into it would be a mess to deal with and debate alone, especially since the opinions of developers are generally not the same as those that don't develop. The ones already developing most likely don't want to give up their current projects as well. Basically, the developers that want to develop already have their projects and most treat them like it's their "baby" and most likely not willing to give them up or put them on hold. That moves into issue #2
2) Time. It would take considerable amount of time and organization to do that. Probably to get something stable that's original would take longer than most people would keep their Thunderbolt. Guys that work on their phones do this part time for fun as well and that combined with other side projects would press for time.
3) True developers & designers. There's a big difference between hacking some already made stuff to work with things and actually writing object oriented software from scratch. Obviously some guys putting stuff out for the thunderbolt are true developers that code professionally and others are just hacking around making things work done by others. Both have their uses, but you need real development for something like this and I don't think there's enough of those willing.
Forgot to add that the only way change happens is to build interest, so don't let my pessimistic observations detour anyone from posting their thoughts and ideas in this thread
Good day!
I am pakpaker, and I hav been browsing xda-developers for about a month now for developments for my beloved xt800w, thanks to J.Y.Daddy for his awesome work of porting ROMs to this Korean-specific unit.
Now for the question: how can I port a ROM made for the Motorola Milestone XT720 to the XT800w? There was one post that said that it was a matter of symlinking, because they almost have the same hardware.
I have experience in Linux, but I have only tried tinkering with ROMs, and maybe it is time for me to learn how to port than to impatiently wait.
Thank you very much!
If someone has already ported some ROMs for your device, one easy way to start getting a feel for what need to be changed when porting is to download both the ported and original versions. Then extract them and start comparing for differences. But make sure you get exactly the same versions that were ported otherwise you'll have a lot of overwhelming false positives. The same approach also helps if you're interested in a source-based ROM (e.g. CM7). In that case you should first rebuild the unported version and then you can start making the same changes in the source tree. Feel free to ask questions. It takes way to long to learn this stuff, but some of the things I was worrying about seem silly in retrospect so hopefully if you get stuck we can try to help troubleshoot.
Thank you very much! I shall start from CM based ROMs then, and maybe if I will have the time, I might just start as soon as possible (because I do have a day job). More power to devs!