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which ROM KITCHEN do you use/like ? post ur reviews/feedback here.
I like Pandora's, seems complete and the ROM is fast. Even without overclocking
I was using Pandoras so I could have the latest and greates WM6 ROM however it proved to be too unstable and most importantly: I couldn't make A2DP work. Anyway I switched back to the previous WM6 .960 and grabbed Core 2.0, chucked it into the Core Pro kitchen and found it to be awesome - the programs just do it - no problems and even less clicks than the other kitchens! Plus it can extract any ROM you like into packages which is the biggest bonus.
I've used Faria's RK, edhaas' RomPacker, and now the Core RK. Overall, I like the Core one the best due to what all it can do. My only complaint with it is that all the scripts assume everything is on your system drive and in the directory Core. I'm going to have to rework all the scripts so it isn't like this, as I will sometimes have multiple kitchens setup as I test various things (and to keep old versions where I can fall back to them but still be in a working kitchen). This isn't an issue with the RomPacker kitchen.
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I've used Faria's RK, edhaas' RomPacker, and now the Core RK. Overall, I like the Core one the best due to what all it can do. My only complaint with it is that all the scripts assume everything is on your system drive and in the directory Core. I'm going to have to rework all the scripts so it isn't like this, as I will sometimes have multiple kitchens setup as I test various things (and to keep old versions where I can fall back to them but still be in a working kitchen). This isn't an issue with the RomPacker kitchen.
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I agree with you on this but one thing it did remind me of is that its very good about backing up previous files cooked in the kitchen in the Core kitchen.
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I like Pandora's, seems complete and the ROM is fast. Even without overclocking
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ROTFL
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ROTFL
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But surely that's the kitchen you use to produce your ROMs?
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But surely that's the kitchen you use to produce your ROMs?
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Whaaaat ?
Joking as you have your own kitchen....
I have a tough time choosing between CorePro and Pandora's, simply because I like the option, of being able to check and uncheck the boxes!! LOL. But the corePro kitchen is very advanced, it shaved ~13mbs off of the ROM I cooked in Pandoras.
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I'm probably one of the few who prefers to use Molski's Devpack kitchen. only reason i use it is quite simply because it was the first kitchen i used! that and it was relatively easy to learn (i only really use it to add/remove programs and stuff, nothing exotic). the best bit of it is you just lob the 'nk.nbf' into the source folder, dump and its ready for you. i dont know if the different kitchens like pandora give you this option.
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Joking as you have your own kitchen....
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Ah...sorry
Yes, that's the kitchen i used, mostly. But i had to repack it so that others can use it...since i had it all spread allover across my HDD ...
I think i forgot to thank 004 cos his kitchen meant the begining of my kitchen.
So : Thank you double_ofour !
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I'm probably one of the few who prefers to use Molski's Devpack kitchen. only reason i use it is quite simply because it was the first kitchen i used! that and it was relatively easy to learn (i only really use it to add/remove programs and stuff, nothing exotic). the best bit of it is you just lob the 'nk.nbf' into the source folder, dump and its ready for you. i dont know if the different kitchens like pandora give you this option.
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Mine does !
It is a combination of molski's way of cooking combined with the new stuff that's out there.
I kept both ways of cooking.
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I have a tough time choosing between CorePro and Pandora's, simply because I like the option, of being able to check and uncheck the boxes!! LOL. But the corePro kitchen is very advanced, it shaved ~13mbs off of the ROM I cooked in Pandoras.
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You can do that in my kitchen too LOL . I thought i saw a option.xml generator somewhere .... Hmm, dunno where tho ...mabe the Hermes forum
I started to think this thread was heading towards a "popularity contest" like the "best chef" thread...
I'd like to think everyone's goal in this forum is to offer support to other developers and users, and to improve the overall user-experience.
I personally don't care if anyone uses the kitchen I primarily support - which is based on doubleofours adaption of the new mUn rom.
However, if you do want use it, I'll do what I can to help make it work as best as I can. Because in the end, if we all work to fix all the issues, we all end up with an excellent rom - and just the way we each individually want it. Which kitchen isn't the base factor, it's working together as a team.
My goal is to help other users, not to win a contest of "who's the best" or whatever. I build a rom as I would want it, let others try it, and update the kitchen as issues are found. Is it the best way? Who cares? As a group working to debug issues, everyone can benefit.
Maybe someone should start a poll for who's the most supportive in the forum? At least that would reward others by recoginition for support, rather than how many users they can convince to use their stuff. There's no monitary reward here - let's not treat it that way.
So who's is best? I have a "philosophy" on that and it's debate:
Opinions are like a "rectum" (don't like to use profanity in public...).
One individual's may stink/smell nice more than others, but that's only up to the other individuals who smell it.
We're all human, and entitled to opinion. Sometimes its just better to keep it to ourselves.
How about we kill the poll's and get back to developing!
I have experimented with every kitchen thats been released so far. I still like the old school methods of rom cooking though.
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I started to think this thread was heading towards a "popularity contest" like the "best chef" thread...
I'd like to think everyone's goal in this forum is to offer support to other developers and users, and to improve the overall user-experience.
I personally don't care if anyone uses the kitchen I primarily support - which is based on doubleofours adaption of the new mUn rom.
However, if you do want use it, I'll do what I can to help make it work as best as I can. Because in the end, if we all work to fix all the issues, we all end up with an excellent rom - and just the way we each individually want it. Which kitchen isn't the base factor, it's working together as a team.
My goal is to help other users, not to win a contest of "who's the best" or whatever. I build a rom as I would want it, let others try it, and update the kitchen as issues are found. Is it the best way? Who cares? As a group working to debug issues, everyone can benefit.
Maybe someone should start a poll for who's the most supportive in the forum? At least that would reward others by recoginition for support, rather than how many users they can convince to use their stuff. There's no monitary reward here - let's not treat it that way.
So who's is best? I have a "philosophy" on that and it's debate:
Opinions are like a "rectum" (don't like to use profanity in public...).
One individual's may stink/smell nice more than others, but that's only up to the other individuals who smell it.
We're all human, and entitled to opinion. Sometimes its just better to keep it to ourselves.
How about we kill the poll's and get back to developing!
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I agree with you, that's why i decided to have some fun. I however think some of your message was addressed to me. I don't want to win an popularity contest and i think the number of posts and if you read them all you'll see that i always tryed to help others...even when the question was asked 100000 times before.
I started to hate polls...just because the fact that i know how much i worked on every release that i made, and how big support i gave every time and i don't say that others didn't do it, cos i am sure that they did ...but i don't like to get my hard work in any stupid contest.
All messages written above by me had a bitter sweet sarcasm in them.
You can't imagine how i feel untill you do it yourselves. It is really degrading to see that after over 3000 downloads with previous roms and another 500 with this kitchen(for the wizard only) i released...which i surely consider the only FULL kitchen there is out there except Scoter Kitchen , people making my hard work into some stupid contest.
I did it for all not for just a few, and i didn't made any test on who's the best one to have my rom.
You're right, this is democracy but it's wrongfully understood. Why ? Because i asked soooo many time for suggestions with my every release and i took notice of them all but people still not satisfyed. I asked : what do you think it's missing from my kitchen ...no responses...what should i think ? That is perfect the way it is or that people just don't care and only start stupid threads so they can use the "best" rom , the "best" kitchen..and so on.
Mabe it's just me...but i don't want to spend so many hours in front of my pc so that some people trash my work as they think.
I am so fed up with this that you can't even imagine.
just my 2 cents and i forbid using my kitchen, roms or even my nickname in any stupid contest!
Well said my friend. May the polls be dammed!
Edit: Oh, forgot to mention that no direct negativity intended - more so at the whole idea of "who's got the best ...". I can see where it could look that way - my apologies. Venting after long weekend of sleeping in till 11, drinking till 3, kicking back by the ocean... and thinking of what I could be doing if I only had my computer...
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nottoosmart said:
I like Pandora's, seems complete and the ROM is fast. Even without overclocking
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Is Pandora's what you used to build your "MyOS" with?
MaciejN said:
Is Pandora's what you used to build your "MyOS" with?
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Correct, but the contents are from all over the Wizard forum.
I am a bit surprised that so many new WM6 ROMs are appearing on this board. The majority just appear to have been created using the Pandora kitchen.
The Pandora kitchen is so incredibly easy to use so why not just create your own ROM. We all have different requirements so no downloaded ROM is likely to suit anyone other than its originator.
The current Pandora kitchen is IMHO close to perfect. Cook your own it really is easy.
Provided you only flash the OS and nothing else you are no more likely to "brick" your Wizard than if you flash one of the preprepared ROMs - perhaps even less likely.
Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
I am not trying to tell you that I've got balls and super-knowledge to do that and someone else doesn't. The Pandora's Box is awesome, so is the Core Pro Kitchen also. But If it was THAT easy, MS would have also released a kitchen for every user to cook their ROM.
Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
It reminds me of all these "WINXP UTILITIES AIO 2007 XP GOLD" packages that you often see.
I moderate a few boards and I do remove such things, Its not to say that what is being produced here isnt worthy of recognition, but I think it is certainly an idea to thin it a little.
For example lock the topic as soon as it is created and then have simply 1 well moderated thread for bug reports.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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Im afraid I must agree with scotch whisky.
(And for gods sake can someone please shoot the noobs that feel they must post useless cr*p in every thread i.e "plzz sum1 [email protected] WM6 4 my PSP!!! PLZZZ!!!)
Just my 2ct...
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i like idea of wm06 for PSP ( screen calibration specifically ).
rofl.
Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages, so was starting to question even releasing it (I may do some customizations to things, but really not sure). There are so many slight variations with minimal "custom" changes (other than splash screens) that pretty much any of these can be built by about anyone with minimal work (or thats the way it appears).
Faria and Doubleofour opened the cooking floodgates with their easy to use Kitchens. The Core and Pandora kitchens have just increased the proliferation.
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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...so was starting to question even releasing it...
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While the shear quantity of ROM's is, perhaps, unneeded, I for one sure hope you release the next version of XM6! Part of the internet community's ideals is reuse. I surely appreciate mfrazzz's (and the others' he built on!) ROMs.
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Yep, I sort of agree... I'm about to work on the next release of XM6, but it basically is just going to be from the excellent Pandora Kitchen and packages
mattk_r's work on providing a "Complete" solution (kitchen, excellent base rom, and tons of oem packages, and even cleaning up MMS and all and giving multiple versions) makes Cooking like a Instant Dinner. Just add the premade ingredients that you want, mix, and bake... Presto, your "perfect" rom just for you...
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.
Thanks!!
I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.
I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)
But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.
I stop for it - and started USING my device.
BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.
Like other say: Just my 2 cent
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Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.
I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.
User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.
The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier
Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
This is a simple question to answer.
Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.
You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.
Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.
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So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!
Try faria's kitchen
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I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!
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So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")
So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?
Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
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the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.
For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.
scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day
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Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).
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Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.
theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..
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Dude, not all ppl have the patience, the knowledge (to edit files, edit/delete hex strings), and probably neither the courage to flash their own device for uncountable times in order to make something that will suit their needs.
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I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.
You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.
You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?
I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
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I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.
Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.
A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.
Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen
hi to all
i would like to say that: i finally ported a real build after getting some instructions in porting the roms from a device to another.
the good thing is that i fixed the known issues about the phone, like if you call a busy number you will get busy tone and the phone shows busy instead of showing connected , also when you recieve a waiting call and you didn't answere that you get missed call instead of recieved call, these things will know them if you use any other builds like 1437, 1620 and 318(the official one).
all my roms cooked using old builds because of these issues, thats why i started working and learning about porting. (i will never use any other cooks like 1437 or 1620 and you know for that with the releasing)
the new build will be exclusivly for TNT users (no need for write the causes)
the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )
So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.
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So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.
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sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
WOOT!!!!
its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.
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FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.
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good notes bro, about compressions i don't like to compress any file, compressions sure will give some of issues if you don't noted now you note later, but give more explain for BT DUN
its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.
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Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.
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i'm looking for crediting the work for every one helped and worked very hard for any part of cooking, go to the most of rom threads and check if they credit something to anyone else or not!! is it mean the rom cooker did all the work hemself !!!
I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO
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I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO
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this thing will kill the extractor efforts to do any new working
these thing will never be full understaing till you see someone used your works w/o credits, for example dr.yar and winxplore i never saw them on any rom, i did the package and of course i lost a lot of time to looking for usefull apps, finally you will see other people used them as he did it himself.
Thank you, its right!
You make excellent ROMs and I am looking forward to this next one!
@its right, many people who gives credit i think should be allowed via PMs, i say. I mean if we don't share then basically there will be no community. I'd say can you can give kitchen to ppl who gives out credit like mfraaz, myself and alot others. As far as i go, i don't release my cook anymore because alot of other pros like you and mfrazz have em out. I keep it for myself because of the appz i like in there. Anyways do take in consideration.
Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release
peter petrelli said:
Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release
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Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.
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Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.
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the purpose started with the starting of this thread bro, its discussion.
of course microsoft and HTC have all credits w/o writing the credits.
Looking foreward to it...Its Right
Credit
Sorry for saying this but not releasing the kitchen because of not giving credits is bull ****, why?? if only 1 freak don't give credit's to witherat is not a reason not to releae a kitchen . I don't see you give credit to microsoft for suppling you the rom what will they say???
But nice work if you do it and will release it.
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the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )
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Excellent. I am a happy user of TNT 4.0 (because of most of other ROMs having problems with registering missed calls properly when data connection is active).
Thank you for the great work.
IMHO it would be good to release the all info for community (there will be always people stealing other people work, it is just reality), but if you do not want to do it, I understand...
Being quite happy with TNT, I do not need kitchen personally.
Mirek
This is turning into the PSP community in which the latest custom firmware (similar to the ROMs here) was encrypted and had a check placed to brick the PSP of anyone that went to a specific website which had stolen work in the past - no one deserves a bricked device and it won't be long before the attitude here will be the same...
can't wait for this release.... TNT 4 is clearly one of the best ROMs out there.
I'll state first I don't agree with the whole "I'm not gonna share because you might not give me credit" however since he did all the work porting it, then really he's free to do whatever he chooses.
That being said...don't most of the current kitchen's allow you to take a released rom and extract it directly to use as a base? Doesn't that make the whole "I'm not gonna release" issue moot?
*I have not cooked a rom so I'm asking based on posts I've read.*
I've been a regular reader of these forums since researching my first Android purchase. Over this time I have seem many new ROM projects born. I would like to argue that many of these projects are so similar that they are pointless.
I'm calling out anyone whoever made a new Hero/HTC-Sense ROM. Seriously. When you saw the 10 other Hero guys out there, what made you think it was better to release your own flavour instead trying to participate in an existing project?
I've taken a look, and as far as I can tell, there should only be 3 non-factory ROM projects:
- CyanogenMod, because of the effort Steve goes to stay 100% legal and teeter on the bleeding edge of Google's source code
- 1 Hero/Sense UI ROM, because we actually only need 1, why don't you guys work together, sheesh
- 1 Blur rip-off ROM, because goodness knows there are going to be people who actually think it's a great idea
Just because Android is based on Linux, doesn't mean we have to make all the same mistakes that has dogged and doomed Linux from the beginning. We don't need to splinter into a billion different distributions, at least not yet. Looking at the feature lists for many of these similar ROMs, the only thing that is different is additional locales or small bug fixes, hardly worth the effort of repackaging. /sigh
*end nerd rage*
i doubt they end. its their project, they build it how they like it and they share it. people do not have to download it. there are many reasons why they release their own, they have more freedom to do what they want. in past rom devs work together then they split up due to differences. working together is all fine and good but this isnt a utopian world haha, people have different opinions on how to move forward with a project.
just because you dont want to download and try different builds dont mean they should stop
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I've been a regular reader of these forums since researching my first Android purchase. Over this time I have seem many new ROM projects born. I would like to argue that many of these projects are so similar that they are pointless.
I'm calling out anyone whoever made a new Hero/HTC-Sense ROM. Seriously. When you saw the 10 other Hero guys out there, what made you think it was better to release your own flavour instead trying to participate in an existing project?
I've taken a look, and as far as I can tell, there should only be 3 non-factory ROM projects:
- CyanogenMod, because of the effort Steve goes to stay 100% legal and teeter on the bleeding edge of Google's source code
- 1 Hero/Sense UI ROM, because we actually only need 1, why don't you guys work together, sheesh
- 1 Blur rip-off ROM, because goodness knows there are going to be people who actually think it's a great idea
Just because Android is based on Linux, doesn't mean we have to make all the same mistakes that has dogged and doomed Linux from the beginning. We don't need to splinter into a billion different distributions, at least not yet. Looking at the feature lists for many of these similar ROMs, the only thing that is different is additional locales or small bug fixes, hardly worth the effort of repackaging. /sigh
*end nerd rage*
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I understand how you feel, but isn't that what this site is for? If we only had those three ROM's, then this would be a very boring site. I personally like when people take other ROM's and tweak it to their liking. I don't have a clue on how to cook ROM's, but others do, and they might make one that fits my needs. Just my opinion though....
jokeyrhyme said:
I've been a regular reader of these forums since researching my first Android purchase. Over this time I have seem many new ROM projects born. I would like to argue that many of these projects are so similar that they are pointless.
I'm calling out anyone whoever made a new Hero/HTC-Sense ROM. Seriously. When you saw the 10 other Hero guys out there, what made you think it was better to release your own flavour instead trying to participate in an existing project?
I've taken a look, and as far as I can tell, there should only be 3 non-factory ROM projects:
- CyanogenMod, because of the effort Steve goes to stay 100% legal and teeter on the bleeding edge of Google's source code
- 1 Hero/Sense UI ROM, because we actually only need 1, why don't you guys work together, sheesh
- 1 Blur rip-off ROM, because goodness knows there are going to be people who actually think it's a great idea
Just because Android is based on Linux, doesn't mean we have to make all the same mistakes that has dogged and doomed Linux from the beginning. We don't need to splinter into a billion different distributions, at least not yet. Looking at the feature lists for many of these similar ROMs, the only thing that is different is additional locales or small bug fixes, hardly worth the effort of repackaging. /sigh
*end nerd rage*
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As a regular reader you should know that there are about 5 different versions of Hero floating around to base off of. There are 2 different versions of blur. There is also pulse, donut, cupcake, and variations on them.
Hero includes: Tattoo (a specialized mix of donut and sense), the sense ui merged with magic, the official release Hero, the non-official beta Hero, and the Sprint Hero. (And if you ever read the threads, we do all work together) There are also multiple opinions on BFS and a2sd, which allows for variations.
Blur has both a Hero and a Cyanogen based version, depending on which way they decided to go to get the supporting files for the main system.
The rest are obvious, and I don't feel like going into that much detail.
If we all followed your beleif, updates would take twice as long and not have nearly as many features. Rather than Drizzy, JustAnotherCrowd, Cyrowski, and myself all waiting for the one day we all have 2 hours to meet on google talk, share files, and build an update... JAC relelases an update, Cyrowski writes a new boot image, I restructure the way a2sd operates, and Drizzy comes along and adds in some new apps he restructured to work on that build. Some people choose to stop somewhere along the path and stick to that ROM, others go all the way down the road. If there were only one update, most Devs would spend half the day just telling people how to disable, remove, or add the feature they integrated.
I just dont see how less is more in this case. If you don't like all the updates, do what I do. I have the ones I actually read followed, and I only ever take a quick glance at the first page of posts before checking those. If I miss anything important, it is only ever by a day. If it's that important, it inevitably gets bumped to the first page long before it becomes so old that I surely learned it somewhere else.
*end informed response*
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Hehe.
Okay, I get that there's a matrix of every possible version of Android against every different sort of UI (ie Hero+Donut, Blur+Cupcake, etc). My shortlist is obviously too short. But it's difficult to pick out, for example, the best Hero ROM. And I can see the same thing happening with Blur as it becomes more and more in vogue.
Watching 3 different Hero versions, you might decide that ROM A almost perfectly suits your needs except for the bug that only got fixed in ROM B. And ROM C has both the features and the bug fix, but has an ugly custom UI somewhere. So then you think to yourself "why don't I just make package D?". The only way you'll know anything for sure is to spend time trying out however many different ROMs knowing very well that there's a chance you'll be forced to compromise. The only differences between many of these ROMs seems to be the Android version, pre-installed applications and custom kernels.
I know I came off fairly irate and impetuous in my original post. But when you can see all these talented developers producing so many different forks and reproducing so much effort, it can be very frustrating for an enthusiastic end user.
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As a regular reader you should know that there are about 5 different versions of Hero floating around to base off of. There are 2 different versions of blur. There is also pulse, donut, cupcake, and variations on them.
Hero includes: Tattoo (a specialized mix of donut and sense), the sense ui merged with magic, the official release Hero, the non-official beta Hero, and the Sprint Hero. (And if you ever read the threads, we do all work together) There are also multiple opinions on BFS and a2sd, which allows for variations.
Blur has both a Hero and a Cyanogen based version, depending on which way they decided to go to get the supporting files for the main system.
The rest are obvious, and I don't feel like going into that much detail.
If we all followed your beleif, updates would take twice as long and not have nearly as many features. Rather than Drizzy, JustAnotherCrowd, Cyrowski, and myself all waiting for the one day we all have 2 hours to meet on google talk, share files, and build an update... JAC relelases an update, Cyrowski writes a new boot image, I restructure the way a2sd operates, and Drizzy comes along and adds in some new apps he restructured to work on that build. Some people choose to stop somewhere along the path and stick to that ROM, others go all the way down the road. If there were only one update, most Devs would spend half the day just telling people how to disable, remove, or add the feature they integrated.
I just dont see how less is more in this case. If you don't like all the updates, do what I do. I have the ones I actually read followed, and I only ever take a quick glance at the first page of posts before checking those. If I miss anything important, it is only ever by a day. If it's that important, it inevitably gets bumped to the first page long before it becomes so old that I surely learned it somewhere else.
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twisted your roms are always the most polished and daily functionable
i appreciate your input on these forums as well as drizzys and jac's
im glad there are multiple possibilities so i can see which one runs the best for my intended uses
party a may use their phone for internet texting and facebook
when party b may use their phone for calls email and business
party A is using XXXHerorom that runs his needed functions the quickest and most efficient way possible
party b is using XXXherorom that runs his needed functions the quickest and most efficient way possible
jokeyrhyme said:
I've been a regular reader of these forums since researching my first Android purchase. Over this time I have seem many new ROM projects born. I would like to argue that many of these projects are so similar that they are pointless.
I'm calling out anyone whoever made a new Hero/HTC-Sense ROM. Seriously. When you saw the 10 other Hero guys out there, what made you think it was better to release your own flavour instead trying to participate in an existing project?
I've taken a look, and as far as I can tell, there should only be 3 non-factory ROM projects:
- CyanogenMod, because of the effort Steve goes to stay 100% legal and teeter on the bleeding edge of Google's source code
- 1 Hero/Sense UI ROM, because we actually only need 1, why don't you guys work together, sheesh
- 1 Blur rip-off ROM, because goodness knows there are going to be people who actually think it's a great idea
Just because Android is based on Linux, doesn't mean we have to make all the same mistakes that has dogged and doomed Linux from the beginning. We don't need to splinter into a billion different distributions, at least not yet. Looking at the feature lists for many of these similar ROMs, the only thing that is different is additional locales or small bug fixes, hardly worth the effort of repackaging. /sigh
*end nerd rage*
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I don't agree and don't understand your frustration. You use what you want to use, let other people make their own decisions.
I happen to prefer Enomther's roms because they are more customizable in terms of what is included on the rom through the expansion pack and expension pack setup. I don't like arbitrary modifications as I prefer to have my phone close to vanilla Android but have performance improvements added. But going by your opinion it should not exist. Who are you to determine which rom's are pointless? I really don't understand the fuss. Different people have different preferences. If you prefer limited/no choice get an iPhone.
Unfortunately each Rom runs differently on each phone. My friend has the blurry screen problem while I dont. He can only run a few selected roms some of which doesn't do what he wants to do. I have gone though about 30 different roms before settling on one and quite frankly I think its pretty fun. I am on the bleeding edge of. techology.
I wish I would make a Rom. I have so many ideas for one.
The concern about multiple builds makes sense, but other folks have mentioned that different builds fix different things.
I've tried many of the Hero flavors, but sadly (unless I simply missed it) none of them have fully gotten bluetooth to work. I prefer using bluetooth for calling, and so far only Cyanogenmod's roms seemed to be able to nail this on the head. It's what I've been using for quite some time, and has proven to be the quickest and most stable.
It would be great if they all worked on just one version of the Hero rom, but it won't happen. Just imagine how many more are going to pop up when the official SenseUI shows up for the Saphire.
Eh
I completely disagree with the OP. Everyones needs are different and having a build thats just right for you is a luxury that you wouldn't get on most other types of phones. I really don't see an issue with having multiple builds even if they are fairly similar. Its not like we are wasting development time, there is no downside. Some may argue it makes it harder for users to find a good rom, but the bottom line is anyone who is flashing their android phone has an interest in technology and is going to enjoy trying out different builds. And once you've tried a few builds you get a pretty good idea of what your looking for in your ideal build making it much easier to choose. Using your Linux example, between work and home I use 3 different distributions everyday, the reason being each has strengths that make it ideal for specific applications, its not a problem or a mistake, its simply not everyones needs are the same.
Even for the novice like me it is not too hard to make sense out of what is available. I never liked when people do not read full thread before posting a question. Is it a problem of impatient generation or just a simple laziness? IDK.
Also, it has been a exiting jorney for me to learn everything about my phone and tremendous possibilities. Fear of bricking and yet the desire to try new stuff.
There are useful bits and pieces in almost every thread except yours, sorry to say that. There is nothing that can replace user's feedback and their own disoveries that are not necessarily coming from devs or people remotely in the field of android development.
Cease the proliferation of similar ROMs!
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I also disagree with this thread. More choice is better for everyone!
Also if there are 2 similar roms, as a user rather than a dev you can still take the bits you like from both and make it your own.
jokeyrhyme really? have you made any roms or customized anything for your personal use? if so did you like it? if not, how come you didnt make one custom rom? is it because you dont know how or just rely on others to do it for you? there are soooooo many ppl with different "styles, perceptions and ideals" that one extra rom might be their next rom of choice!! whats wrong with a larger amount of variety? who gives you the right to try and call everyone out when they are the ones spending the time to learn, make and fix all the bugs for everyone when it started off for them selves?!?!? this thread is a joke and is taking up space in development. request for it to be moved to the trash or general. which ever is easiest.
WTF?
Ok at this point i'm kinda getting sick of this whole android forum. Way to much fighting, ignorance, complaints like damn who gives a **** (sorry just vex) who does what or doesnt do what or makes what or doesnt make what. If you dont like something...move onto the next. I mean those who alert the devs/cookers (whatever you choose to call them ) to issues with the rom only for the betterment of the rom are in the right. But when i see dumb **** like "this person's rom does this and that" i get pissed..just reflash that rom sit down shut up and think about that little life of yours that obviously is worthless since you can spend time downing people's work and yet you can make a rom or troubleshoot a rom on your own. Y'all need to relax yourselves find **** that works for you and stick wit hit. If it aint what you want..move on silently. dont fault the creator just move the hell on. Dont post dumb threads like this and most off DONT SAY ****!!! it's these very same forums dedicated to development of our devices that make our devices that much more amazing so dont flood the forum with dumb ****!!!. Show respect to our developers, give em props for taking time out of their lives to make our android experience benificial and super amazing.
I also disagree with OP's sentiment. I'd rather there be as many ROMs as possible than to have my choice restricted to a handful.
And daeshawn you're right, some people are so rude and unappreciative. I just ignore the douchebags and try to contribute as positively as I can.
I completely understand what you're saying. These forums can be really overwhelming at first. But honestly, I enjoy switching between different builds of Android just to see what they're like. Some people want APPS2SD, some don't. Some people want to split FAT32/EXT3/Swap, some don't. There are simply too many combinations for a small set of ROMs to handle.
sigh..... guess well never find the middle of the tootie pop
If a middle ground were to exist it could go something like this:
Everyone can do whatever they want as far as their ROMs go. Perhaps, for new people who might otherwise be overwhelmed with choices, the Q&A (if it doesn't already) could link to a few long-running, stable ROMs that typically accomplish the very basics. And once people get a chance to try those, figuring out what you want becomes a little simpler and the tons of threads start making some coherent sense.
It's like "which is better, Cyanogen's rendition or Enom's" and the answer, for a lot of people, is that it depends. There might be similarities and both ROMs ultimately accomplish a lot of the same things (root, A2SD, compcache, linux swap, etc.) but preferences remain. I like one, you like another. There's no reason both developers, each of whom presumably likes their own, can't go on making what they want to make and offering it out there. More over, the experienced users are already aware of the alternatives.
It's really newbies that might find the choices overwhelming.
As for reinventing the wheel with every ROM, many threads already provide credit to a variety of developers, so clearly the work gets around. Just because they all do it at their own leisure and in the order of their choosing doesn't mean the developers are living in closed bubbles. Maybe the colab work that needs to be done is already being done even if it's not obvious. More over, even if two ROM cookers decide to both implement similar changes apart from each other, the choice to do so is totally in their court. Their time and their money and their brains.
There is kind of, for me, a question of stability. I have a fair confidence, for example, that Cyanogen is not going to drop Android development entirely any time soon and his ROMs will continue to exist with updates and bug fixes. Other developers share this sense of stability, but it's not an all around type of thing. There are ROMs out there now that are interesting because they are cool and new, but will they still be maintained a year from now is another question entirely. And I think that's a legitimate concern and reason for wanting at least a few long-lasting ROMs. Because, essentially, if 5 devs work on something and one gets bored, there's still 4 left. Conversely, if there's only one dev and he/she decides they're done, now what?
Just my $.02
I've no issue with the number of roms.
however, what is missing is a simple resource that lists them and a summary of features.
trying to wade through all the post to see what does what is a total ball ache. I think this is more the problem than the number of roms.
An up to date one pager that showed the current status of what was available would be perfect.
Well, I totally deserve all the hate this thread has brought my way.
*bows head in shame*
I agree that if there was ever a place to test out dozens of difference features, then this is that place. So it's totally appropriate to have as many different ROMs as there are demands for different features and such.
I do think more could be done to draw new users towards stable and long-term projects, as has been suggested by sleepykit and moa77. Maybe that's really the solution I was after. An update to the listing or something perhaps?
Sorry about being a poohead, I'll be good now.
*hugs all round*
PS. I changed the topic title to be less evil and more open.
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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There is a similiar Thread already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572788
this is not a development topic. this belongs in q&a
We ARE working together, but we want to create ROMs for different purposes.
'ultimate' is pretty subjective.
it's easy to see all the different, seemingly random threads about different roms and mods and assume there's no teamwork involved, but really, it's just different people trying different things and when one works well most others adapt it. otherwise, everyone has a different 'ideal rom' anyways.
it's a fairly darwinian approach, but it works pretty well. you COULD try to get everyone to organize and work on one idea, but i think we can save that for companies like htc, motorola, huawei, samsung, google, etc.
besides, anyone who follows this or other android dev sites for more than a couple weeks knows which devs to kep an eye on.
what i feel is the ultimate rom, you don't think is the ultimate rom...
the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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And I like fast and feature heavy. Best of everything. :-D
All of your responses is exactly what I mean... Lets say for example, the devs focused on the fastest, most stable and lightest rom as a base. then moved on a way to easily create or modify a theme.
from there, we could move on to different versions... like a hero or blur, etc.
ultimately, every user is going to pick there favorite programs, so maybe we develop a way to easily choose which programs you want included before you flash the rom and voila...
i mean, im sure im making this sound easier than it might be, but with clear and open communication/ exchanging ideas and coming to a reasonable base... the possibilities are endless.
users could focus on the aesthetics like icons, themes, widgets, etc.
ALL WE NEED IS A SOLID BASE...
sure, there are some talented individuals accomplishing this on their own and thats all fine and understandable. I just know that with the power of many over one... a lot more could be accomplished easier, more deliberately and effectively.
Each dev could have a specialty that they focus on...
1. Themes
2. Troubleshooting
3. Speed/ Framework
4. Battery Life
5. The list goes on...
Create an FTP for everyone to access and we could show Google exactly what theyve been hoping for... which is developers alike coming together for the greater good... again, this is just my opinion, but im glad ppl are leaving their input
and with the choosing of apps example... my idea is, if there were a lite version and an ftp or somewhere to host a list of signed apks that you could choose via checkmark, click download and it would automatically save them to a special folder on the sd card. then, the lite version could have a script that auto runs during the initial boot to install directly from this folder on the sd card.
I guess im just trying to create simplicity for the newbs and the devs or veterans that have been on the site and are tired of flaming or answering the same question.
I say, we streamline this process, create simplicity through orginization and leave more room for progress...
Ok, well thats all i have for now... I mean, I have a lot more ideas, but we'll see where this goes...
It's HTC / Google's fault for releasing different models of the same phone, as most blog publishers are oblivious to the difference and post news under the *insert adverb here* title 'htc magic donut'
Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
Michaelr219 said:
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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LOL... thank God for the internet. Id read some of the debates youve had in other threads and they got me laughing. Im on the fence, because Im not one to take sides, but not only are you funny... but I actually agree with you on this. I mean, just one thread above me I have some guy telling me that I dont know what Im talking about. For one, Im not claiming to know all there is to know about these phones... or Id be working for Google making the big bucks... and two, he only reiterated things Id already disclaimed.
I didnt start this thread to get flamed, but opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
I realize that most of my ideas wont see the light of day, because without the cash or proper credit, people wont work together unless they "get theirs"
A lot of these devs work their @$$es off and receive "tips" or donations purely because they love what they do and I respect that sincerely.
However, the idea that working "together" to create the ULTIMATE rom is possible. Devs asking for tips, help, or using work that one already accomplished isnt what im referring to. It would take moderators, coordinators, infrastructure, hierarchy, etc... To those that see the light of what im talking about, thank you... to the rest, thanks anyway
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Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
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Read my words carefully... I am aware of what has gone on here on this site. I acknowledged that a lot of developers work well together. Unlike you, im not giving specific credit to any one or two individuals. We all know who has hit the brick and mortar with the foundations that have been set. A lot of those individuals communicate regularly.
I was nearly drawing into the fact that with technology, they could all (those who are willing, of course) conference regularly, establish agendas, specific tasks, and create a template. One that has been re-worked inside and out by each of their hands till there isnt any input that one individually could produce. From there, the focus objective could be the bigger picture like compatible themes, updates, easier installs, more features, etc.
I know im repeating myself to a degree, but I want to make sure the image is clear. There are a lot of devs doing the same thing, for some of the same reasons. But us users all come here for the SAME reason. To take our toy/ pride and joy/ project/ whatever you wanna call it... to the next level. To make it better than it was out of the box, to see the realms that it is truely capable of.
So rather than seeing some devs running into similar problems with their roms individually or simultaneously... One of two things would happen, either A: Solve it immediately once and for all or B: Catch the bug before it was even released. Hopefully my words inspire some of you. If not, keep up the great work.
Lol - cracking read