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I've only had T-Mobile for 6 months and I've already had 4 warrant replacement phones, and I'm getting royally screwed with them. I'm going back to Sprint, now that they have a new CEO who's vowed to clean up Customer service, and because of the Simply Everything plan (outstanding).
I am not going to be financially ready to pay the early termination fee for T-Mobile (or buy a new phone) until June, which conveniently is the unveiling of the Samsung "Instinct" which looks like an outstanding phone.
I was torn between the Instinct and the Sprint Touch... Any thoughts/comments/opinions on this?
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I've only had T-Mobile for 6 months and I've already had 4 warrant replacement phones, and I'm getting royally screwed with them. I'm going back to Sprint, now that they have a new CEO who's vowed to clean up Customer service, and because of the Simply Everything plan (outstanding).
I am not going to be financially ready to pay the early termination fee for T-Mobile (or buy a new phone) until June, which conveniently is the unveiling of the Samsung "Instinct" which looks like an outstanding phone.
I was torn between the Instinct and the Sprint Touch... Any thoughts/comments/opinions on this?
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Please provide a link to this phone.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/instinct/
http://www.nowisgood.com/?id12=UHP_Billboard_nowisgood
well i was just about to start a thread if there wasnt one already... im really suprised that this phone draws so litte attention from the xda crowd. but now that i think about it none of the other iphone closes do either. any way the phone is not windows mobile based so your going to loose all the functionality and customizibitly that all the guys here love so 99 percent of them are going to tell you touch. you need to look in to the driver crisis with the tilt touch moguel and a few other devices htc class action google it up.
as far as the instict goes though im pretty sure im going to get one i work at sprint and get a free service from them so its either the instict or the music. i know there not very close to the same but i love the music lol
the instict for me is still up in the air till i get my hands on one
I just have a question about this whole Java problem with the Instinct. You can't use Opera Mini because the Instinct won't allow 3rd party apps to use the keyboard because they don't have the right kind of Java. Is there anyway somebody can "rip" the Java off of the Instinct and update it? Or is there anyway you could just install the right Java. I'm not really sure how this works but I know there are some pretty crazy hackers/programmers here at XDA and It would be awesome if just one of them would try to help all of us Instinct owners out.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like a nice little toy to have, but get the Touch! If it was possible, I'd say try both for a week, and I'd bet you would keep the Touch.
Android 3.0 Gingerbread
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface.
We have all those
1ghz Hummingbird
512mb ram
4" SAMOLED
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Knowing samsung ... my guess is they will never build a release with it. On to the next piece of hardware.
I hope they prove me wrong.
Regardless if Samsung releases a 3.0 ROM for us or not, it will be ported.
I want Froyo when it comes available, because I already know it rocks.
As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
However... it would be nice to know there will be long-term support and development for this device. It is quite an expensive piece of equipment to hit end-of-life a year later.
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I want Froyo when it comes available, because I already know it rocks.
As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
However... it would be nice to know there will be long-term support and development for this device. It is quite an expensive piece of equipment to hit end-of-life a year later.
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I was lucky to snag it for $350 off-contract, new in box
That way I'm saving a virgin family line, to get the next best thing, cheap
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I was lucky to snag it for $350 off-contract, new in box
That way I'm saving a virgin family line, to get the next best thing, cheap
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I got mine for $150... but with the 2 year contract.
However, since AT&T is the only provider that has good coverage at my house, i am locked into them regardless of whether I have a contract or not.
2 year extension only means I have to wait 18 months to get the latest-greatest phone... I'm not complaining.
I could've gotten the Captivate for free, or the Iphone 4 for $199 still keeping my unlimited plan.
But I just bought the Captivate $350, still have my plan. Just waiting for the latest thing lol
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I could've gotten the Captivate for free, or the Iphone 4 for $199 still keeping my unlimited plan.
But I just bought the Captivate $350, still have my plan. Just waiting for the latest thing lol
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Did they tell you you could not keep your unlimited plan?
My wife ha sthe iPhone4, and I have my captivate, and we both still have unlimited data...
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Did they tell you you could not keep your unlimited plan?
My wife ha sthe iPhone4, and I have my captivate, and we both still have unlimited data...
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I had 3 choices
1) Get captivate for free, keep my plan, put 2 year contract on a family line.
2) Get iphone 4, do "cross-upgrade" (put contract on a family line) register micro-sim/imei to me, and keep my plan.
3) Buy either phone off contract
I went with 3, but not "official", I saw some guy on craigslist selling it new in box $350, so I bought it, took my sim out of old Motorola Backflip (CRAP OUT-DATED DEVICE) and placed it in my Captivate.
So I don't know if the phone is "technically" covered by att, but I registered it with samsung.
You didn't buy it from AT&T so they will not cover anything. Not even support if they didn't want to. The latter is not likely as I have purchased 2nd hand devices and they have not refused to provide technical support.
joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS
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joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS
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Talk to AT&T if you bought the device from them.
I got my Captivate via LetsTalk.com and I was given a checkbox that says "I WANT TO KEEP MY 30$ UNLIMITED PLAN"
If you're still fresh into your new contract you should be able to tell them to switch it to your good ol' unlimited data plan and don't let them tell you the otherwise. Be persistent.
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Regardless if Samsung releases a 3.0 ROM for us or not, it will be ported.
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Ports might not be possible since samsung doesn't release driver source code.
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joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS
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I just told them i wanted to keep it.
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I just told them i wanted to keep it.
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same, they asked me if I wanted to make any changes to the account and said, heck no I want my unlimited data since I tether off you guys for free... j/k
But on Gingerbread.. How far along are we actually in development? Are there even any screenshots or videos of it yet? Whats the expected release date?
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... my guess is they will never build a release with it. On to the next piece of hardware.
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You know, I've been worried that this may be a general problem for all smart phones.
There is little, actually negative, incentive for manufactures to upgrade the OS of any phone. They don't charge for the upgrades and new phones are "relatively" cheap.
Additionally, the players in question tend to be hardware manufactures not software manufactures.
I think the deck is stack against those of us that want to see OS upgrades on smart phones.
Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV.
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You know, I've been worried that this may be a general problem for all smart phones.
There is little, actually negative, incentive for manufactures to upgrade the OS of any phone. They don't charge for the upgrades and new phones are "relatively" cheap.
Additionally, the players in question tend to be hardware manufactures not software manufactures.
I think the deck is stack against those of us that want to see OS upgrades on smart phones.
Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV.
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Yep, I'm going to agree here. A wireless company would need to invest lots of money for a team to test and prepare a new OS after it's received from the manufacturer to be sent out to a device. Or they could just spend that money on checking a new incoming phone which would already be prepped for the new OS.
In today's world they know a majority of us are going to be drooling over the next big thing in a year. Why give you something for free when they can get you to buy it?
The only phone to really break this mold is the iPhone. Only because it's one piece of hardware controlled by the manufacturer. They only have to worry about the OS working with their own hardware. Where Gingerbread will need to be adapted to every manufacturer that wants to use it.
If it looks amazing I'll be praying for Samsung and AT&T to step up to the plate for their customers; but I won't be checking BGR expecting anything.
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As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
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If it's late next year, we will all be running 3.2 roms be then. Gingerbread is supposedly only 4-6 months away
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But on Gingerbread.. How far along are we actually in development? Are there even any screenshots or videos of it yet? Whats the expected release date?
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I keep hearing that google said late Q4-early Q1.
The way I see it, samsung, htc, moto, nobody cares if you get a higher os. They will make an update due to calender reasons like the 2.1 to 2.2 to get you to buy a device with an old os.
But if the devs can put 2.2 on a g1, which google said couldn't happen, doesn't really matter what hardware we have. It's up to all of us to support the devs to make anything happen.
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So I'm looking to get my first android powered device , my question is what do you guys suggest to be a good phone for my first experience? Looking at spending around $500 usd budget (will go over for something I really like, but no $800 desire hd stuff lol), and don't want something "out of date" or have a poor build quality.
here is some info to go off of:
-I am not eligible for a upgrade so will pay retail
-In the us
-at&t carrier, no data, so any at&t specific phones are out of the question
-have wifi in vehicle and anywhere I go (one main reason I don't have a data plan)
-like a big screen and or keyboard since my hands aren't exactly small
Thanks in advance for any help. Also one more question that I haven't found the answer for, I saw a marketplace while signing up but cant view, what are the requirements to view?
p.s. I think this might belong in the Q and A section...
my first smartphone was the palm pixi a fantastic OS but then went to htc hero id say thats now a beginners phone
now im with an epic
You could probably score a used Nexus One on eBay or Craigslist for $500.
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You could probably score a used Nexus One on eBay or Craigslist for $500.
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That is one thing that I've thought about, I've also looked at the htc desire, its a little more then other phones but i like the design and the extra ram it offers.
I think nexus one. Just my .02
Thanks for the responses, I guess I need to start hunting for a good condition nexus one. Am I correct for saying that you can not buy them new anymore?
if you can get one (UK only afaik), the Orange San Francisco seems to be a good phone to start with, at about £90.
It's the ZTE Blade, and has an HDPI (high res) screen and reasonable CPU etc.
Worth a look if you can lay your hands on one.
zte blade has a nice exterior, probably one of my favorites so far . But the processor seems a little slow (clock wise), anyone have any experience with how well the Qualcomm MSM7227 competes with say a snapdragon or samsung hummerbird cpu?
id get a nexus one or desire, there not too expensive anymore and have ample power to keep up with technology for the next couple of years, the hero is good but its starting to show its age now, it depends what you want, the nexus one is better built imo but the desire has more ram and an optical trackpad instead of a trackball
Just remember if you do purchase a T-Mobile Nexus One - and you end up getting a data plan down the line.. your stuck on Edge forever while on AT&T's network.
There are AT&T Nexus One's out there.. but your going to be paying a premium.
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id get a nexus one or desire, there not too expensive anymore and have ample power to keep up with technology for the next couple of years, the hero is good but its starting to show its age now, it depends what you want, the nexus one is better built imo but the desire has more ram and an optical trackpad instead of a trackball
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Is the trackball like blackberrys dumb trackball? I hated that thing with a passion when I tried to use it (even though touch screen means I will rarely use it). I have never used a optical trackpad before. Is it like say running your finger on the bottom of a laser mouse? I know it is kinda bad analogy.
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Just remember if you do purchase a T-Mobile Nexus One - and you end up getting a data plan down the line.. your stuck on Edge forever while on AT&T's network.
There are AT&T Nexus One's out there.. but your going to be paying a premium.
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Yes, I have been looking around on craigslist and what not, t-mobile ones in mint condition run about $400, while ones bought straight from google run about $450, which I would want anyways so I don't have all the tmobile bloatware from the get go.
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Yes, I have been looking around on craigslist and what not, t-mobile ones in mint condition run about $400, while ones bought straight from google run about $450, which I would want anyways so I don't have all the tmobile bloatware from the get go.
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Dude... removing bloatware takes every bit of 10 minutes. I'm assuming that you're going to root anyways, so just save yourself $50.
So you can remove it? Did not know that. Yes I will root it, but I just wont our of the box because of a laziness factor lol. (atleast im truthful )
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So you can remove it? Did not know that. Yes I will root it, but I just wont our of the box because of a laziness factor lol. (atleast im truthful )
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Easily, and the chances are that any custom ROM you flash will be already purged of bloatware.
The Nexus One is a great starter phone. I personally started with a cheap G1 I found on craigslist. The owner had bought a new phone and didn't know about modding and even after I told him he wasn't interested in doing it. After a while I traded up and got the Nexus One.
The good thing about the T-Mobile version of the N1 is that if you do decide to get data service, and you're okay with the EDGE speeds (slower than 3G), then you can pay the cheaper price for the data plan. I've heard from here and there of people with the AT&T version of the Nexus One having their phone automatically upgraded to the more expensive data plan because Google must have given them an updated IMEI list for the phones.
Well just a update, purchased a Desire HD. Waiting for it in the mail, I can't wait!
i dont think u can beat this deal anywhere. I got one 2 days ago and now thinking about rooting the bloody thing but christ it seems awfully hard to do and then sticking a rom is even harder compared to my old tilt 2!!
wow what a deal... do people really think this phone is worth that price?? i personally think it's better than the atrix (minus the laptop dock)
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i dont think u can beat this deal anywhere. I got one 2 days ago and now thinking about rooting the bloody thing but christ it seems awfully hard to do and then sticking a rom is even harder compared to my old tilt 2!!
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It is not as hard as you think, all you need do is read the threads and take your time, I rooted a long time ago when bubby first did the one click, since then he has made it less complicated, the hardest part most are having is making a gold card, just take your time and you will do fine. I am rooted and am running Core Droid Gingerbread rom and have no sign of AT&T left on my phone. It is great, give it a try!!!! You can do it, the only thing holding you back is you!!!
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It is not as hard as you think, all you need do is read the threads and take your time, I rooted a long time ago when bubby first did the one click, since then he has made it less complicated, the hardest part most are having is making a gold card, just take your time and you will do fine. I am rooted and am running Core Droid Gingerbread rom and have no sign of AT&T left on my phone. It is great, give it a try!!!! You can do it, the only thing holding you back is you!!!
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Oh yes you do! You have at&t on the back of the phone
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I got better than that from AT&T directly. Free phone, no shipping, no activation, 2 yr contract extension, early-upgrade. Granted I've been with AT&T since 1999 and I give them a decent chunk of my paycheck every month.
You just have to be patient with them, be willing to stay on hold for a bit, ask for a supervisor, and remember a few key phrases: "Long time customer..." "Pay bills on time..." "Been loyal through Iphoney induced network problems..." "Other carriers offering better equipment, and with contract expiring soon..."
That has always worked for me. The phones aren't always free, but I've always gotten a better deal than the normal upgrade price. At the very least the rebate price without dealing with the rebate. I've even gotten an upgrade price on an equipment replacement without contract extension.
Not sure if there are specific guidelines they use as far as longevity, monthly service charge, etc. You just have to be polite and insistant, and companies will generally give you what you want to keep you as a happy customer, AT&T included.
woww that is a deal and a half))my son just came home from school and he said his buddy told him that more people are bricking their phones when they try rooting... but then what does a kid know)))
They have it marked down to a penny if you buy it online with two year upgrade.
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They have it marked down to a penny if you buy it online with two year upgrade.
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any way to make AT&T match this deal? The wife just paid 99 bucks for hers when I added a line last week.
shoot I'd just pay the restocking fee, and then buy from costco and it would still be cheaper. I am not sure att will match it though. I know you can't buy it out of contract Online. I was looking to see what they would charge maybe get my wife one so she can get away from her captivate.
I got mine free from radio shack and I was expecting to pay For it. Don't know how I get it free though
I got my Inspire from Costco about two weeks ago, and then upgraded one of my kids to one last week as well -- took advantage of that Costco deal! And no, AT&T could care less about price matching.
I rooted both of our phones last night. Read more than I did before I flashed my Tilt 2, but after my kid said just watch the Youtube video, I was ready. LOTS and lots of steps, but his rooted exactly as advertised. I did the same steps to mine, got hung up on the final step (pushing the new ROM back to the phone) but found a post in @bubby's thread about the same issue; I manually copied the image to my SD card and entered the bootloader, and now my Inspire is rooted as well.
Lots of great deals out there, BTW. Look at Cartoys and Radio Shack; the Costco deal ends pretty soon.
i got mine from Costco, i only paid the tax and an upgrade fee which will show up on my att bill. id say i came out on top
I just checked ... price is 1 cent now with a 2 yr extension. May have to go to KC!!
I too got mine from Costco for a penny! :-D According to tracking, I'll have it Wednesday. And then...we root! :-D
On a sidenote... I only agree with one line on here. "However now more then ever who you get on the other end of that line MATTERS." ...Unfortunately, this is true. I am a Level 2 technical support agent for Philips Electronics. If you catch an agent on a bad day, then don't expect much. HOWEVER... I personally try to remain fair... If you call me and ask for support, you BETTER be nice. If you are a jerk, yell, cuss, racist, etc...YOU GET NOTHING!
I deal with all walks of people on a daily basis. Kindness is key. It also helps to know how to speak and speak properly.. "Key phrases" mean nothing to me. But that's just me. It's all about the attitude. If you are nice, I'm willing to GIVE you almost anything. If you are an A$$hole...well...you get the idea.
One final note...It DOES NOT matter what nationality you or the tech support rep are. One of the nicest people I have ever met is this guy that sits beside me at work. He is 100% Irish, and hates the world. But again...if you are nice, he will give you whatever you are asking for.
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wow what a deal... do people really think this phone is worth that price?? i personally think it's better than the atrix (minus the laptop dock)
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I have an Atrix, not worth it at all... Even with the Dual Proc and Laptop dock. Call quality sucks, signal sucks and worst of all, it seems like they took someone's custom ROM (Alpha Build) and released it (get Aqua/Robot Voice at times) and instability so they have to make a fix for it and THEN wait for AT&T to release it...
Thanks, but no... not at all worth it.
The Inspire though? Yeah, worth way more. I paid full price for mine (no upgrade available on any of the 5 lines... )
I got my Inspire from Costco for $19.99. It did not take too long either. They also gave me a free car charger, head set, and leather case.
On a side note: I don't like ordering things like phones (Atrix) or laptops(Asus) online because if their is a problem with it takes week to get there and get back to you.
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I paid full price for mine (no upgrade available on any of the 5 lines... )
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How much off contract and from where?
I tried buying it though Costco online but I wont let me keep my grandfathered unlimited data plan. I still cant decide whether to use my upgrade or buy it off contract.
I've been seeing lately that its now $79, and as a CostCo Member, its as low as $50 on a two year contract. Its still a great price.
Staples has it for $50, verified as of yesterday.
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Hey guys, so i have been wanting to try out WP7 for a while, i have an opportunity to snag up an arrive on contract. since im on sprint there doesnt seem to be much going on in the WP7 area. id love to have a titan 2 like device or even one i know is going to get the latest versions, however that doesnt appear to be sprints concern.
anyways long story short is it worthwhile for me to put my epic 4g touch off to the side for while and snag the arrive and give it a run for its money? or should i hope that some day sprint brings another windows phone out? (preferably with a bigger screen)
I really like my arrive, WP7 is a great OS, but please do keep in mind that this device is getting long in the tooth. The arrive was brought to sprint over a year ago.
The DFT rom is great and enables internet sharing.
I'd only go for it now if you are enamored with the idea of a hardware keyboard. Otherwise, I'd wait until the summer to see if sprint brings a Nokia WP in.
http://www.sprintfeed.com/2012/03/sprint-developing-lte-windows-phone-with-fall-release-in-mind/
Sprint apparently has a new windows phone in the pipeline but it wont be until the fall, I havent seen any other rumored windows phones for sprint. I love windows phone and the arrive for the most part suits my needs but there is definitely some apps missing when compared to iPhone and Android.
Hope that helps.
I switched to Sprint and grabbed the Arrive when it came out ($50 on contract at the time). I love the phone and love the OS, but I'd hold off because I expect Sprint to feel the Nokia love before the end of the year.
The two gripes I have about the Arrive is that it's only 3G and I don't even have the option for ICS (sans custom ROMs which I'm waiting for those to shake out a little more before I take that plunge). Those aren't major gripes, just the two biggest issues I have with the phone. If you don't just totally hate your phone, I'd stick with it (or look at getting an Arrive from someone who didn't like it and is selling it used). Save your upgrade for the Nokia and I think you'll enjoy it even more.
yea after a bit of searching and deciding on it all im gunna try and pick up an arrive on teh cheap and us eteh upgrade on the new one...
sadly they still want 50 dollars on contract for this phone :/ which is teh same amount as the photon which is less then 10 moinths old
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yea after a bit of searching and deciding on it all im gunna try and pick up an arrive on teh cheap and us eteh upgrade on the new one...
sadly they still want 50 dollars on contract for this phone :/ which is teh same amount as the photon which is less then 10 moinths old
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I have had my Epic 4g since launch and after trying Win 8 Preview I wanted to try WP7. I went to a sprint store and tried the Arrive and I liked it. So, I found a refurbished Arrive on ebay to try out for $150 shipped. I'm up for an upgrade. But, I know the flagship phones are coming out at the end of the year and I will save it for that. Have you thought about buying an off contract phone and waitng for the phone you really want?
fwiw you can get the arrive for free on contract from wirefly
I just got this phone due to a finally dead TP2. Rest in Peace TP2. I will miss you so very much.
I really don't know why this device isn't more popular. The keyboard is basically the same as TP2, (best ever), and the phone is lightning quick. It's made very user friendly. Slide to what you want and the learning curve is almost non existent. To each their own I suppose, but for me, I will be happy with this device.
i was waiting for a GREAT wp7 on sprint but couldn't wait any longer. Picked up a used arrive today for fairly cheap and man I'm loving it so far. It's so fast compared to my ancient tp2. I've already downgraded spl, rspl/hspl, and flashed dft gold_c v1. Great rom so far. I'm loving ie9.
I agree to others that it is not really worth the contract for this because of it's age, but I still love this phone a lot. Of course I didn't have a chance to try an android phone(or native android phone, I tried the android port on TP2), so I can't say this is better, but it fit my taste.
Now, serious question, how to load 8107?