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Hi,
So.. Reading all these posts about this phone Im already contemplating returning it even though it hasnt arrived yet.
The main reason is the LCD bleeding mentioned by everyone. All the other battery inconsistencies, reboots, shutting down, wifi, whatever are all software and will be updated and fixed after all this is a new phone and as early adopters its part of the risk. BUT..... The LCD is a hardware issue, they purchased defective LCD screens and now they are going to have to sell all the units already manufactured before they make a batch with better LCDs.
Therefore, If I put so much money down on a phone, I dont mind the software bugs which can be fixed, I do mind hardware problems.
That being said I havent even received my phone yet but it does seem like returning it and waiting for the sensation would be a safer bet dont u think?
johnnyp500 said:
Hi,
So.. Reading all these posts about this phone Im already contemplating returning it even though it hasnt arrived yet.
The main reason is the LCD bleeding mentioned by everyone. All the other battery inconsistencies, reboots, shutting down, wifi, whatever are all software and will be updated and fixed after all this is a new phone and as early adopters its part of the risk. BUT..... The LCD is a hardware issue, they purchased defective LCD screens and now they are going to have to sell all the units already manufactured before they make a batch with better LCDs.
Therefore, If I put so much money down on a phone, I dont mind the software bugs which can be fixed, I do mind hardware problems.
That being said I havent even received my phone yet but it does seem like returning it and waiting for the sensation would be a safer bet dont u think?
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if your into rooting and customizing the sensation might have a locked bootloader. also your phone might not have those issues. you could be sending back a perfect or close to perfect device. this is the first batch so you have to expect the worst. you can always return if you have issues.
This is going to be my first android phone so what is rooting and locked bootloader?
johnnyp500 said:
This is going to be my first android phone so what is rooting and locked bootloader?
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oh okay. rooting is like jailbreaking a iphone. it opens your phone up to bigger and better things. a bootloader is basically security. without being able to unlock that you wont be able to use custom roms, and tweaks to make the phone better than what it is.
When do we know the second batch of phones hit the stores?
bighulk666 said:
When do we know the second batch of phones hit the stores?
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I would love to know that too since i returned mine a couple days ago and am waiting to get another one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062748 This poster said they received their phone and it was manufactured 4/29/11 and have not had a single bad issue thus far and everything is working better than before. Mine have been manufactured in early April, so perhaps this is an indication of a fixed batch of sorts.
See my thread of love thread. Manufacturer date of 4/6.
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IMO this phone rocks... As suggested by @ScooterG check out his thread about "thread of love". And another thing sometimes internet and blogs hipe things. Most of the ppl use their phones for 2-3 yrs and they see no problems in it. I know some ppl who still do not know what is FLASH and why some websites do not work with iPhone?? But only advice i would give you is, don ever trust everything you read. Try it yourself... Once you get the phone check things out like battery, reboot issue, freezing issue, lcd bleeding. If you think that ur phone is not good enough, return it.
One more thing i wanna tell you is, about LCD bleeding i agree that some ppl have really bad issues, but as far as the regular use is concerned minor lcd bleeding is unnoticeable. PPL check lcd bleeding by going in the dark room and opening black wallpapers or some app on their phones, now tell me one thing are you ever going to keep looking at black screen on your phone??? NO. You are going to watch videos, play games and do regular stuff. So use your phone like you are going to use for daily use and see if you encounter any problems.
About the Sensation and Galaxy s II, I loved both the phones, but then I realised that I want to root my phones and install custom ROMs on it. I don't think any of these 2 phones will be as easy to root and install custom ROMs on them as G2X. On top of that updates come fast for stock android phones for sure...
This is all my point of view. Read and think. Decide on your own.
I read all the good, bad, and ugly here before buying my G2x (replaced my beloved Nokia N900). Oddly, I had just the opposite reaction than you did. All the chatter here gave me a huge amount of confidence that whatever I didn't like about the G2x -- I could change with a little root magic and some apps.
And so I did. I'm very pleased.
I was a religious crackberry user(used iphone 1st gen and 3g too), then switched to a hd2(first unofficial android phone running gingerbread), then g2 now with the g2x. Be honest with you, the lcd bleeding is not noticable. I'm very happy with it so far.
The LCD bleeding is pretty minor. You really have to be in a completely black room with the screen showing black to notice it.
There are some extreme cases but I think they are rare, even for here.
I suspect the battery issues are a result of what people are installing or doing on their phone. From what I've read, "I've exchanged it 5 times and they all have battery issues"... tells me they are installing an app that eats battery or they are leaving games running in the background or something.
We do know the battery driver is wonky but the developers are working on a fix.
My phone lasts from 8am-midnight on my normal usage which consists of:
Several phones calls, frequently texting, playing WordFeud and Kingdoms Live (both online games) several times throughout the day, Push Exchange email (I get like 80-100 emails a day), I usually look up my horoscope once a day, I also have Push Gmail emails going, and Twitter, Facebook, and a weather widget that updates every 15minutes.
I also use google maps + gps, Google Voice Search, etc. periodically throughout the day also.
That's a ****load of usage ^ I would love to know how your getting that. I'm texting and idling my phone and I don't even get my phone to have that much usage
If you look for flaws in anything, you're guaranteed to find it and then you'll always focus on it, no matter how minor. We have witnessed this in the initial days of the G2x and when someone pointed out the "screen bleed" it was blown out of proportion and many many people kept on abusing tmobile's return/exchange policy trying to get a "perfect" handset.
Anyway, without going into how this has destroyed a potentially awesome phone into a now "free give away" (and maybe now less supported model, oh don't let me get into the change in return policy that tmobile just recently updated, because of the abuse), I just wanted to lessen the impact of new adapters buying the phone and then coming to these forums only to read about the minor screen bleed and think about exchanging their's, so I'll post this link about how very common screen bleed is on LCD's and in the article is a link to a do it yourself fix. Here's the link http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/backlight-bleeding.php
What was the change in their return policy?
mysterioustko said:
What was the change in their return policy?
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I'm pretty sure this policy change has to do with all the G2x returns/exchanges since they weren't "defective" and we're actually "functional".
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-changing-restocking-fees-now-based-on-device/
From the first link you posted
"In general, there is no definite fix for backlight bleeding,..."
"The best way to fix backlight bleed is to have the monitor replaced or avoid LCD's which are known to have bleeding problems all together"
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Backlight bleed is common among inexpensive LCD monitors, this does not mean it's acceptable on a high end smartphone. Any troubles LG or T-Mo are having with returns are more about shoddy manufacturing than they are about picky customers.
jacob808 said:
If you look for flaws in anything, you're guaranteed to find it and then you'll always focus on it, no matter how minor. We have witnessed this in the initial days of the G2x and when someone pointed out the "screen bleed" it was blown out of proportion and many many people kept on abusing tmobile's return/exchange policy trying to get a "perfect" handset.
Anyway, without going into how this has destroyed a potentially awesome phone into a now "free give away" (and maybe now less supported model, oh don't let me get into the change in return policy that tmobile just recently updated, because of the abuse), I just wanted to lessen the impact of new adapters buying the phone and then coming to these forums only to read about the minor screen bleed and think about exchanging their's, so I'll post this link about how very common screen bleed is on LCD's and in the article is a link to a do it yourself fix. Here's the link http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/backlight-bleeding.php
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It really depends what you call minor. If you are in the 2% of the people that doesn't have that issue or it's minor good for you. For us that have that issue and it's not tolerable will exchange my phones until i get a non-defective one!
Spyvie said:
From the first link you posted
Backlight bleed is common among inexpensive LCD monitors, this does not mean it's acceptable on a high end smartphone. Any troubles LG or T-Mo are having with returns are more about shoddy manufacturing than they are about picky customers.
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You have to remember now this is a high end DUAL CORE CPU smart phone. To keep the costs down and be able to have an affordable price for the consumer, they'd have to "cut corners" with some other part of the hardware in order to feature the state of the art Nvidia Tegra 2. It's no wonder they chose to cut corners with a cheaper LCD display then going with AMOLED.
Other manufacturers do this also. I was able to get a Toshiba gaming laptop at the time the intel i7 CPUs and Nvidia's GTX 460m were top of the line at less than $1000. This was a steal when other manufacturer's like Alienware were selling there same internal setups at $1000 more than the Toshiba offering. The reason Toshiba could do this was because they "cut corners" on other parts, giving a cheaper alternative for instance in the keyboard department and using plastic instead of metal for the chassis.
So it seems that LG chose to compromise the screen display with a cheaper alternative, although just as effective as higher end displays, but it would have a minor issue that's common to the "cheaper" manufacturing process of making the specific LCD for the G2x.
At jacob818
If they want to cut corners then they shouldn't make "HIGH END " DEVICES u don't see the attrix with LCD bleed... u don't see Samsung glaaxy s 2 w bleed plz just stop trolling and trying to make people feel guilty for wanting a phone that u can use in 30% 50% 75% or 100% brightness its our phone I can root it mess with it set the setting how ever I feel like it an it should work 100 %
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If you look for flaws in anything, you're guaranteed to find it and then you'll always focus on it, no matter how minor.
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While that may be true if I am paying $500 or even $250 + a 2 year contract I expect something to work as flawlessly as it should be. I dont see anything wrong with exchanging a phone to get what I paid for.
if you paid $500 for a new TV would you be fine with dead pixels in the middle? if you bought a new car would you be fine if only some things worked some of the time?
I think the problem isnt a lot of people exchanging the phones, the problem is LG having the issue the first place and Tmobile changing policy because of the exchanges.
I also have the bleed issue but its not terrible. the only black screens I have noticed it on so far are boot,shutdown and the few times the top 2 corners are all black.
I was going to wait to exchange but Im not sure what my options are now. now that many have been returned I certainly dont want a refurb phone like you get with insurance
jacob808 said:
You have to remember now this is a high end DUAL CORE CPU smart phone. To keep the costs down and be able to have an affordable price for the consumer, they'd have to "cut corners" with some other part of the hardware in order to feature the state of the art Nvidia Tegra 2. It's no wonder they chose to cut corners with a cheaper LCD display then going with AMOLED.
Other manufacturers do this also. I was able to get a Toshiba gaming laptop at the time the intel i7 CPUs and Nvidia's GTX 460m were top of the line at less than $1000. This was a steal when other manufacturer's like Alienware were selling there same internal setups at $1000 more than the Toshiba offering. The reason Toshiba could do this was because they "cut corners" on other parts, giving a cheaper alternative for instance in the keyboard department and using plastic instead of metal for the chassis.
So it seems that LG chose to compromise the screen display with a cheaper alternative, although just as effective as higher end displays, but it would have a minor issue that's common to the "cheaper" manufacturing process of making the specific LCD for the G2x.
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They cut corners by using a cheaper display on the G2x? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the IPS display is one of the best around! The AMOLED displays just look vibrant and fake.
High end or not, there will always be a flaw that people will blow out of proportion. It's just how things are made, when your mass producing not every item can be perfect, but they can come pretty close.
omarsalmin said:
They cut corners by using a cheaper display on the G2x? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the IPS display is one of the best around! The AMOLED displays just look vibrant and fake.
High end or not, there will always be a flaw that people will blow out of proportion. It's just how things are made, when your mass producing not every item can be perfect, but they can come pretty close.
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OK so if not every phone will work the same then y did I pay 500+ just like the guy w no LCD bleed no reboots no problems should t I pay less ...we all pay the same price BC we all should get the same device its call quality control
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jacob808 said:
You have to remember now this is a high end DUAL CORE CPU smart phone. To keep the costs down and be able to have an affordable price for the consumer, they'd have to "cut corners" with some other part of the hardware in order to feature the state of the art Nvidia Tegra 2. It's no wonder they chose to cut corners with a cheaper LCD display then going with AMOLED.
Other manufacturers do this also. I was able to get a Toshiba gaming laptop at the time the intel i7 CPUs and Nvidia's GTX 460m were top of the line at less than $1000. This was a steal when other manufacturer's like Alienware were selling there same internal setups at $1000 more than the Toshiba offering. The reason Toshiba could do this was because they "cut corners" on other parts, giving a cheaper alternative for instance in the keyboard department and using plastic instead of metal for the chassis.
So it seems that LG chose to compromise the screen display with a cheaper alternative, although just as effective as higher end displays, but it would have a minor issue that's common to the "cheaper" manufacturing process of making the specific LCD for the G2x.
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just because a product has a new edge technology doesn't mean it can be defective in another aspect. I think it's just very hard for us to get over the fact that we are paying that much for a defective product. if the screen is made of a lower technology with no defect, then fine, we can't really complain, but i doubt people will be purchasing the phone.
on another note, thanks for the guide. Since I don't mind my bleeding that much, I wouldn't risk toying with my phone
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jacob808 said:
If you look for flaws in anything, you're guaranteed to find it and then you'll always focus on it, no matter how minor. We have witnessed this in the initial days of the G2x and when someone pointed out the "screen bleed" it was blown out of proportion and many many people kept on abusing tmobile's return/exchange policy trying to get a "perfect" handset.
Anyway, without going into how this has destroyed a potentially awesome phone into a now "free give away" (and maybe now less supported model, oh don't let me get into the change in return policy that tmobile just recently updated, because of the abuse), I just wanted to lessen the impact of new adapters buying the phone and then coming to these forums only to read about the minor screen bleed and think about exchanging their's, so I'll post this link about how very common screen bleed is on LCD's and in the article is a link to a do it yourself fix. Here's the link http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/backlight-bleeding.php
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i am on my third g2x. first time i ever returned a phone. the first one had very little back blled some but not a worry im guessing thas wht you have. what you dont understand is my seconnd g2x had so much back light bleed it caused a yellow huge on the screen it was unviewable from any angle other than straight on(which is the big thing with ips screens they allow a pretty good angle view without screen losing color saturation. so im glad your bleed is like my first and now my third minimal and very tolerable(better than my tv) but there are indeed screens out there that have bleed so bad as to make it not usable. my first had such a bad antenna or recep[tion where i now get 11 megs down and 3 uup it wouldnt even complete speed test half the time and if it did it was 0.03 down.
and tmobile can change restocking fee all they want i will not pay a restocking fee for a product that is bad period so they can threaten all they want ill see them in court. im already broke so i have nothing to lose .
restocking fees are for products that you purchased that are in working order but you decided didnt fit your needs not for products that are bad. the horrible back bleed was dated march 23. this 3rd one is dated april 30th. on the back of the box i forgot to look at that on the one wioth the horrible back bleed.
so before you go off on your soap box because you got lucky the first time. dont think that people are just *****ing.
first phone- no recpetion
second phone- terrible back light bleeding, constant reboots, gps would not turn off causing battery to drain only way to turn on or off was with rebooting the phone.
third phone(just got yesterday) rebooted once but i think was a tower update or something. nothing since. backlight bled is minimal good viewing angles no yellow tint.
are there abuses of retunrs yes but there is a reason why the store yesterday had 5 returns in their store. she really tried to push me away from the g2x all together but until sensation comes nothing is comparable. im hoping this one continues to function correctly. it so far has none of the problems that the first 2 had.
its LG and tmobile that are to blame for the returns not the users. the initial batch of g2x's were borked maybe you purchased after this second release that appears to be better.
when paying 600 bucks or committing to someone for 2 years you expect it to function as its advertised, if you just say oh well than they will continue to release subpar products.
just remember just because your device doesnt have the problems people talk about doesnt mean they are overreacting.
jacob808 said:
If you look for flaws in anything, you're guaranteed to find it and then you'll always focus on it, no matter how minor. We have witnessed this in the initial days of the G2x and when someone pointed out the "screen bleed" it was blown out of proportion and many many people kept on abusing tmobile's return/exchange policy trying to get a "perfect" handset.
Anyway, without going into how this has destroyed a potentially awesome phone into a now "free give away" (and maybe now less supported model, oh don't let me get into the change in return policy that tmobile just recently updated, because of the abuse), I just wanted to lessen the impact of new adapters buying the phone and then coming to these forums only to read about the minor screen bleed and think about exchanging their's, so I'll post this link about how very common screen bleed is on LCD's and in the article is a link to a do it yourself fix. Here's the link http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/backlight-bleeding.php
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First of i do want to thank you for finally posting on the screen bleed issue. Like jacob has said if you look for flaws you with always find somthing. if you are a perfectionist and expect the device to be PERFECT as soon as it is released you might as well go spend your money on a something that has been out for a while. I work for TMO and my screen leaks just a bit of light as well in the upper corners. but you dont even notice it unless you are on a black screen. Its a new device there are going to be flaws. Just please be patient while they all get worked out.
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gb091685 said:
First of i do want to thank you for finally posting on the screen bleed issue. Like jacob has said if you look for flaws you with always find somthing. if you are a perfectionist and expect the device to be PERFECT as soon as it is released you might as well go spend your money on a something that has been out for a while. I work for TMO and my screen leaks just a bit of light as well in the upper corners. but you dont even notice it unless you are on a black screen. Its a new device there are going to be flaws. Just please be patient while they all get worked out.
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reboots, gps issues yeh they may be software related. the phones that do have the horrible backlight bleeding can not be fixed by software so waiting for an update wont fix this. i too was sceptical about all the backlight bleeding complaints since my first and third are like yours. but there are phones out there with very bad backlight bleeding. but using hardware for a long time i never thought of posting that you are just overreacting i was glad mine didnt have that problem. and why i tried everytihng not to return my first phone and i got what i was scared of the batch that people on here are complaining about . thiese horrible phones are for real. they are out there.
I like how out of 4 different g2xs ive had ALL of them had bleeding in different spots and worse in each of there own ways.... If it was "meant to bleed" you think it would be standard and in one area.....,ill replace all the g2xs I want... I will not pay anything more... (shipping/restock) its good to be a loyal customer and get good service
Let alone I got the g2x for free the day it was released (4/15) im not gonna complain to much
And another note.... Ive seen two other LG android phones (vortex and the other verizon one)
They dont bleed at all...... Hmmmmm sounds like tmobile just got the ****ty versions of a good phone again (i1900/vibrant)
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nate420 said:
I like how out of 4 different g2xs ive had ALL of them had bleeding in different spots and worse in each of there own ways.... If it was "meant to bleed" you think it would be standard and in one area.....,ill replace all the g2xs I want... I will not pay anything more... (shipping/restock) its good to be a loyal customer and get good service
Let alone I got the g2x for free the day it was released (4/15) im not gonna complain to much
And another note.... Ive seen two other LG android phones (vortex and the other verizon one)
They dont bleed at all...... Hmmmmm sounds like tmobile just got the ****ty versions of a good phone again (i1900/vibrant)
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How did you get the phone for free
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I'm on my first and only G2x, no bleeding. For every complaint on here, there are handfuls of people who don't have the problem and don't create threads like this.
Return as many times as you wish, that's what the warranty is there for.
I don't know about you guys but I can deal with having some slight lcd bleeding issues over running the risk of performing a return/exchange and end up with a rebooting lemon....
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Vaddy23 said:
I don't know about you guys but I can deal with having some slight lcd bleeding issues over running the risk of performing a return/exchange and end up with a rebooting lemon....
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this one bleeds a little but totally tolerable. thats why i ddint want to return the first one because i just wasnt getting the problems peoiple were reporting other than the soignal issue but i was seeing full bars was just not getting any speed. and the second was my worst nightmare horrible. this one seems to be good so far? i hope it stays that way. i have been payong 2 contracts since i dont want to pay verizons early term fee until im sure i have a replacement phone. it does make me laugh how people think we should put up with a shotty produyct because its new . if the product isnt good dont release it. i can put up with my tv not having hulu yet and waiting a couple months. i couldnt put up with a internt tv not connecting to the internet. waiting for a software enhancemnet is one thing bad hardware is different and should not be tolerated in any new product.
The problem that I have with threads like these is the OP comes off like a corporate douchbag. I've posted on other threads with the same response just like I will with this one. The fact that you are talking down to ppl who spend hard earned money on a product that expect quality is quite repulsive. Just because YOU accept mediocrity in products that YOU purchase doesn't mean I nor anyone who expect quality in our products have to agree. Nor will we accept you talking down to us as if we are some how dumb for wanting quality in our products.....Also there are these firestone tires I wish to sale you brandnew from about 5 years ago....
I stumbled across this while looking at some other things and I saw on this list that the G2X (the third line) has a "get healthy" date of mid July. Does anyone know if by "get healthy" they mean inventory will be available or could that be an approx. update date?
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/06/t-mobile-g2-about-to-hit-end-of-life/
We have plenty of them in stock at our store.
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my guess is once we get a working update, tmobile is going to re-launch the device and advertise it as coming stock with 2.3(.4?) rather than 2.2.2 like we have now... i just hope its sooner rather than later...
Yeah that's the same thing I'm thinking too. All of the tmobile employees that I've spoken to have all confirmed that the G2X does not have any inventory problems and that it was indeed pulled due to quality control issues. So I'm figuring that mid-july date, is when they anticipate having everything corrected and an update ready to go.
Got mine at Amazon. Ordered on Friday and was delivered today. They did raise the price by $50 though. Wasn't pleased but I had to have it.
Sooooo much better than my G2!!! I actually think I might have found the perfect phone.
That article is about the the G2, not the G2x. But I did see the reference to G2x about mid-july. I also see references to the Sidekick also, which is already out too right?
So I don't know what "Get Healthy" means but I don't know if it has anything to do with our actual phones and updates. Perhaps it is just sales classes or something.
I ordered mine on Tuesday night at wirefly. It was suppose to come today except stupid fedex decided to leave it at the hub for a while so hopefully it will be here tomorrow.
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Got mine at Amazon. Ordered on Friday and was delivered today. They did raise the price by $50 though. Wasn't pleased but I had to have it.
Sooooo much better than my G2!!! I actually think I might have found the perfect phone.
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So question....even with the bad press about this device, you ordered it anyway. Why? Did the problems not bother you, or, are the problems only on certain or a small % of devices?
I've been around devices for a long time. All devices are problematic. But I have never had a device that was completely unusable, nor have I had a device that was not fixed within a few months.
Why would anyone intentionally order this device now?
...I ask because, I too ordered mine yesterday from Amazon, will be here monday.
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So question....even with the bad press about this device, you ordered it anyway. Why? Did the problems not bother you, or, are the problems only on certain or a small % of devices?
I've been around devices for a long time. All devices are problematic. But I have never had a device that was completely unusable, nor have I had a device that was not fixed within a few months.
Why would anyone intentionally order this device now?
...I ask because, I too ordered mine yesterday from Amazon, will be here monday.
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The G2X has it's share of issues, but it is far from being unusable. The main issue as I see it is battery life and random reboots. I know from trying to the leaked gingerbread rom that the battery life is greatly improved on that rom, so I'm expecting that to be resolved with the gingerbread update. Hopefully they solve the random reboots also. I have used a few different G2X's and at the most I've had my phone reboot once per day, but usually it happens once every two or three days (which I can live with until it's resolved). As far as screen bleeding, I think that really is people being kind of nitpicky really. It isn't something that you can notice unless you set out to notice it (turn brightness all the way up in a dark room and look at a black screen). So I hardly see that as much of a real issue. Overall, I am pretty happy with the G2X other than the battery life (which will be improved after the update).
answers important please
in other words what do u hate about ur phone ? (note 4 edge)
I cant even think this swap.Note Edge is a killer,love that device for its unique design with great specs.
Waleedaligomaa said:
answers important please
in other words what do u hate about ur phone ? (note 4 edge)
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I hate the fact that my 915A has a locked bootloader, so no custom roms
well my g4 is locked too no customs for it that is nearly the main reason am swapping for
well i am offered n915p can that be unlocked ? and i heard that Spen and edge screen dont work with customs is that true ? thanks
The note edge is the best phone ever made IMO. (Primarily due to the edge)
The edge should become a standard feature.
Waleedaligomaa said:
answers important please
in other words what do u hate about ur phone ? (note 4 edge)
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This is probably heresy to say this in this forum but I honestly don't think it's a good idea. I bought the G4 for my girlfriend a couple of months ago and from my limited usage of it, I absolutely love it. The interface is far more responsive (compared to either 4.4.4 or 5.1.1 on the Note Edge) and I like the little touches LG did like swiping down on the screen when the screen is off to see the time. The Note Edge has a similar feature when you rub the Edge screen but there is a considerable delay when it works and often it doesn't. This is a small point but it basically sums up Samsung's software IMO.
Her battery life is also far better than mine with at least an hour of extra screen on time and very little loss during standby.
I do love the Edge screen though and it makes switching between apps a real joy. But I'm starting to think that the performance trade off is not worth it. I've experimented with all kinds of custom/stock ROM and kernel combinations and there was always some kind of major trade-off. I've now settled on the RiverROM COH2 5.1.1 by Evren35 which is remarkably good if not slightly on the low battery life side but the stock G4 ROM already has excellent performance/battery life ratio IMO. If it weren't for the fact that newer phones are just around the corner, I would most likely switch to the G4 now.
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This is probably heresy to say this in this forum but I honestly don't think it's a good idea. I bought the G4 for my girlfriend a couple of months ago and from my limited usage of it, I absolutely love it. The interface is far more responsive (compared to either 4.4.4 or 5.1.1 on the Note Edge) and I like the little touches LG did like swiping down on the screen when the screen is off to see the time. The Note Edge has a similar feature when you rub the Edge screen but there is a considerable delay when it works and often it doesn't. This is a small point but it basically sums up Samsung's software IMO.
Her battery life is also far better than mine with at least an hour of extra screen on time and very little loss during standby.
I do love the Edge screen though and it makes switching between apps a real joy. But I'm starting to think that the performance trade off is not worth it. I've experimented with all kinds of custom/stock ROM and kernel combinations and there was always some kind of major trade-off. I've now settled on the RiverROM COH2 5.1.1 by Evren35 which is remarkably good if not slightly on the low battery life side but the stock G4 ROM already has excellent performance/battery life ratio IMO. If it weren't for the fact that newer phones are just around the corner, I would most likely switch to the G4 now.
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thanks alot !
Sacrilegious that anyone can think that the edge isn't everything! !
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Sacrilegious that anyone can think that the edge isn't everything! !
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I'll let you know if I haven't put a hammer through mine in the next six months!
I've come close more than once.
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I'll let you know if I haven't put a hammer through mine in the next six months!
I've come close more than once.
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Me too, although now that I'm running the RiverROM, I have very little problems (just slightly too high RAM usage but hasn't really affected performance and battery life that's okay on an average day but can't be relied upon sometimes). I just think the G4 is a better experience overall.
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Me too, although now that I'm running the RiverROM, I have very little problems (just slightly too high RAM usage but hasn't really affected performance and battery life that's okay on an average day but can't be relied upon sometimes). I just think the G4 is a better experience overall.
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I'm definitely not trying to knock anyone's opinion but just thought I'd toss mine into the mix too. I always try to stay open minded with companies because I'm aware and understand that we don't live in a perfect world, and I hate to say it but the only company that has ever gotten me to say "I'll never buy another one of their products again".. is LG. I don't know if you guys remember it but I'm pretty sure anyone who had this phone too will understand exactly where I'm coming from, but it's from when I made the unfortunate mistake of getting the LG G2X when it was first launched. This was back when dual core processors had just came out and there was a ton of hype for the new ICS update that was coming out soon.
It was supposed to be LG's "flagship" device and I still clearly remember the store where I got it from had an advertisement on the wall for it that said.. "Android Ice Cream Sandwich update will be coming out soon and the LG G2X will be getting it as soon it does!".. as one of it's selling points. I'll admit it was a long time ago so it might not have said exactly that word for word, but regardless I specifically remember it saying that the G2X would be getting the upcoming ICS update because it was used as one of it's selling points.
Don't get me wrong though because I've always and still do instantly root and usually run custom roms on all of my phones as soon as I get them, so I've personally never given a squirt about updates because a major benefit of rooting and custom roms is that you're not just stuck having to wait for one to come out. Unfortunately though in this situation without an update it meant the phone was practically unusable, because the problems with LG's out of the box software were underlying... so even when you flashed a custom rom the problems would always still be there.
Well not only did we NOT get the ICS update that LG had promised, but EVEN AFTER it was proven and they KNEW that their out of the box software was plagued with multiple and daily random reboots, excessive and practically unbearable lag, constant crashes, almost nonexistent gps (because it was a miracle if you ever got it lock on), overheating, and terrible battery life.. they STILL refused to and never did release a single update for it, and believe it or not that's not even the worst part! There were a lot of devs here on xda who tried like hell to fix the problems with LG's software to at least make the G2X usable, but they weren't able to because LG hadn't made it's drivers available to the public for some reason.
I'm not a developer so I don't know all of the details but from what the devs said at the time was that the drivers they needed in order to get in and fix all of the problems that plagued the G2X.. is something that is usually released to the public. So they contacted LG and asked them to release the drivers so they can at least fix the problems themselves (since the update that LG had promised was never released)... and they STILL refused to release them.
So LG released a phone that had ridiculously broken software and even on top of getting a ton of complaints along with the fact that they had promised the G2X would get the ICS update as a selling point.. they STILL never released an update for it! Then even when devs who owned it were willing to do their job for them and fix it themselves just to make it usable at least.. they STILL wouldn't even do that! They totally hung their G2X owners out to dry and even though they knew damn well their software was plagued with problems which practically made the G2X unusable on top of the fact that they had claimed it would be updated as a selling point.. Not only did they still never release an update for it, but then they also refuse to even release the drivers needed for people who were willing to do their job for them and fix it themselves just so they could have a usable phone??!!
Ultimately LG refused to lift a finger and never released the update they had promised or even the drivers so people could at least fix it themselves, and that's why personally I will NEVER buy another LG phone again (and even now it still pisses me off just thinking about it lol)! Anyway sorry for the long novel but just thought I'd share my experience because I'd never recommend going with LG, they've made it painfully obvious (to me anyway) that they couldn't care less about their customers and they won't lift a finger to fix a problem you might have.. even when it's their fault!
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I'm definitely not trying to knock anyone's opinion but just thought I'd toss mine into the mix too. I always try to stay open minded with companies because I'm aware and understand that we don't live in a perfect world, and I hate to say it but the only company that has ever gotten me to say "I'll never buy another one of their products again".. is LG. I don't know if you guys remember it but I'm pretty sure anyone who had this phone too will understand exactly where I'm coming from, but it's from when I made the unfortunate mistake of getting the LG G2X when it was first launched. This was back when dual core processors had just came out and there was a ton of hype for the new ICS update that was coming out soon.
It was supposed to be LG's "flagship" device and I still clearly remember the store where I got it from had an advertisement on the wall for it that said.. "Android Ice Cream Sandwich update will be coming out soon and the LG G2X will be getting it as soon it does!".. as one of it's selling points. I'll admit it was a long time ago so it might not have said exactly that word for word, but regardless I specifically remember it saying that the G2X would be getting the upcoming ICS update because it was used as one of it's selling points.
Don't get me wrong though because I've always and still do instantly root and usually run custom roms on all of my phones as soon as I get them, so I've personally never given a squirt about updates because a major benefit of rooting and custom roms is that you're not just stuck having to wait for one to come out. Unfortunately though in this situation without an update it meant the phone was practically unusable, because the problems with LG's out of the box software were underlying... so even when you flashed a custom rom the problems would always still be there.
Well not only did we NOT get the ICS update that LG had promised, but EVEN AFTER it was proven and they KNEW that their out of the box software was plagued with multiple and daily random reboots, excessive and practically unbearable lag, constant crashes, almost nonexistent gps (because it was a miracle if you ever got it lock on), overheating, and terrible battery life.. they STILL refused to and never did release a single update for it, and believe it or not that's not even the worst part! There were a lot of devs here on xda who tried like hell to fix the problems with LG's software to at least make the G2X usable, but they weren't able to because LG hadn't made it's drivers available to the public for some reason.
I'm not a developer so I don't know all of the details but from what the devs said at the time was that the drivers they needed in order to get in and fix all of the problems that plagued the G2X.. is something that is usually released to the public. So they contacted LG and asked them to release the drivers so they can at least fix the problems themselves (since the update that LG had promised was never released)... and they STILL refused to release them.
So LG released a phone that had ridiculously broken software and even on top of getting a ton of complaints along with the fact that they had promised the G2X would get the ICS update as a selling point.. they STILL never released an update for it! Then even when devs who owned it were willing to do their job for them and fix it themselves just to make it usable at least.. they STILL wouldn't even do that! They totally hung their G2X owners out to dry and even though they knew damn well their software was plagued with problems which practically made the G2X unusable on top of the fact that they had claimed it would be updated as a selling point.. Not only did they still never release an update for it, but then they also refuse to even release the drivers needed for people who were willing to do their job for them and fix it themselves just so they could have a usable phone??!!
Ultimately LG refused to lift a finger and never released the update they had promised or even the drivers so people could at least fix it themselves, and that's why personally I will NEVER buy another LG phone again (and even now it still pisses me off just thinking about it lol)! Anyway sorry for the long novel but just thought I'd share my experience because I'd never recommend going with LG, they've made it painfully obvious (to me anyway) that they couldn't care less about their customers and they won't lift a finger to fix a problem you might have.. even when it's their fault!
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I'm sorry for your experience. Funnily enough, I did once say to myself that I will never again buy an LG phone but that was after I got their first "Prada" phone way back before even the first iPhone. It was just a ****ty overall experience. Whilst what you described is worrying, I think it can't be used to describe LG now, at least not when it comes to the G4. The G4 has been pretty fast with updates and the Marshmallow update has already been pushed to some people's devices with more to follow (one of the first devices that's not a Nexus or out of the box Marshmallow devices I think).
I've had issue with many companies when it comes to updates including HTC (they kept promising updates were coming soon even though it came several months later) and Samsung (whose updates often made the device worse in terms of battery life or responsiveness). None of them are probably as severe as what you described but if the G4 is anything to go by, I think LG has learnt from their past mistakes.
Correct me if I'm wrong here:
Isn't advertizing a product for sale with a promise of future support in the form of updates and not delivering considered false advertizing amounting to fraud?
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I'm sorry for your experience. Funnily enough, I did once say to myself that I will never again buy an LG phone but that was after I got their first "Prada" phone way back before even the first iPhone. It was just a ****ty overall experience. Whilst what you described is worrying, I think it can't be used to describe LG now, at least not when it comes to the G4. The G4 has been pretty fast with updates and the Marshmallow update has already been pushed to some people's devices with more to follow (one of the first devices that's not a Nexus or out of the box Marshmallow devices I think).
I've had issue with many companies when it comes to updates including HTC (they kept promising updates were coming soon even though it came several months later) and Samsung (whose updates often made the device worse in terms of battery life or responsiveness). None of them are probably as severe as what you described but if the G4 is anything to go by, I think LG has learnt from their past mistakes.
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Yeah I definitely understand what you're saying and I always try to keep an open mind so hopefully you're right and they have changed for the better, and from what you've said it sounds like they're at least doing a pretty good job with the G4 anyway. It just sucks when you get a device from a company that is supposed to be their "flagship", only to have to be stuck with a paperweight because they decided to abandon it and move on to something else. I know I'm not the only one that's ever happened to and that LG isn't the only company that's ever done it either, like you said hopefully they've learned from their mistakes but it's just hard to get rid of that taste in your mouth when something like that happens to you. Anyway if G4 is the phone you've got now or are planning to get I hope everything works out for ya.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here:
Isn't advertizing a product for sale with a promise of future support in the form of updates and not delivering considered false advertizing amounting to fraud?
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I mean you'd think right? The problem for me was that I couldn't prove it along with the fact that T-Mobile might have put that sign up "thinking" that it would get the update because it was a flagship device. I know a lot of people were talking about a class action lawsuit but I guess it never happened, I wound up getting so tired of dealing with it that I just sold it outright (luckily thank god) and I'm trying to remember but I think I went to the Galaxy S2 from there. Anyway I can't say for 100% sure but I'd say you're absolutely right, but if you don't have proof I guess it means you're just SOL.. lol
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Yeah I definitely understand what you're saying and I always try to keep an open mind so hopefully you're right and they have changed for the better, and from what you've said it sounds like they're at least doing a pretty good job with the G4 anyway. It just sucks when you get a device from a company that is supposed to be their "flagship", only to have to be stuck with a paperweight because they decided to abandon it and move on to something else. I know I'm not the only one that's ever happened to and that LG isn't the only company that's ever done it either, like you said hopefully they've learned from their mistakes but it's just hard to get rid of that taste in your mouth when something like that happens to you. Anyway if G4 is the phone you've got now or are planning to get I hope everything works out for ya.
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I mean you'd think right? The problem for me was that I couldn't prove it along with the fact that T-Mobile might have put that sign up "thinking" that it would get the update because it was a flagship device. I know a lot of people were talking about a class action lawsuit but I guess it never happened, I wound up getting so tired of dealing with it that I just sold it outright (luckily thank god) and I'm trying to remember but I think I went to the Galaxy S2 from there. Anyway I can't say for 100% sure but I'd say you're absolutely right, but if you don't have proof I guess it means you're just SOL.. lol
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It's funny, I just came across this article yesterday where they talked about how in the Netherlands, Samsung is being sued for not updating their phones...
How could you in right mind ask that question? You can't compare the two. Prefer Note edge any day.
In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
The probability is zero.
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In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
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Good points, but not really in the scope of what I was wondering. I said *variant*, not replacement. I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
The most tricky problem when it comes to this situation is what the heck else Asus would add to the "more premium" AMOLED model to make it any more appealing than the "budget" IPS model, since the Zenfone 6 offers more beyond the screen than most competitors in the price range of $500+AMOLED=roughly $630 (adjusted for adequate profit) by MILES.
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Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Yikes, that is spooky. I'd hope to not worry about the camera module as its almost literally a pet idea I'd had sketched in my brain for years that would be one of the best instances of killing two birds with one stone I'd ever imagine: solving the offensively awful quality of selfie cams (which I don't use as much as most but the few times I need it are important) and destroying the bane of my interest in new smartphones known as notches with one stone.
However, AMOLED is near a requirement seeing as I use my current IPS equipped phone for rhythm games and other input intensive tasks and sorely miss the lower latency of my previous AMOLED phone. Night and day stuff, for me.
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Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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I am calm...but to have such issues out-of-the-box is unacceptable. But none of what you point to as a bug fixes the problem with the camera module rattling, or not opening or closing properly. Is that a bug? Can software fix mechanical issues? I read where people are using strategically placed strips of duct tape to "solve" the rattling problem. So maybe Asus can throw in a small roll of duct tape along with a clear case? Yes, some people say theirs doesn't rattle or make added noise when the vibration motor is activated. So is this going to be a hit-or-miss proposition? What about when the module loosens from continual use, and someone wants Asus to do something about it, and they just say it's normal wear-and-tear, not covered by warranty? (Let's face it...this camera is a novelty and most people who get one are going to be flipping this thing in and out until the fat lady sings.) No offense to the more rotund feminine gender out there!!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in this phone for many reasons, but along with limited/missing LTE bands, and a possibly faulty camera module design, I will wait until there are many more end users here in the US who give us their personal hands on reviews to make my decision. I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
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But this is exactly what im talking about. Here is how the market works most of the time. If i give you all the specs of a product before hand (including all the models i will be releasing), i take the liberty To make an event so that people can see what im offering and to test it. and i start selling each model of that product. Then all of the suden i decide to add an extra model out of the blue, now that's a risky move from where they might lose rather than gain. Lets number the issues that could happen.
1) People who already bought the IPS screen models would probably not buy it if there are things they already consider as defect (but might no be) in the phone (This alone decreases the sales by a good portion).
2) The cost of production will obviously increase with AMOLED screens, which in terms would also make the sale price of that model to significantly increase. (One of the main reasons this phone is being sold somewhat good is the price, and you will most likely see prices of at least $900+ on that new variant (which in terms kills the appealing price the zenfone has).
3) Following on issue two, (if asus decides to sell the AMOLED screens for repairments, that will obviously increase the repairment price of a cracked screen (accidentally or not accidentally). Believe it or not, more and more people are getting involve on the *fixing their own phones* thing now a days. Some of them will completely disregard the new variant with AMOLED released just because the dont deem it worthy if the cost of the screen repairs exceeds a certain price (which its often the case with AMOLED screens).
4) Following on issue 3, a portion of people are aware of Burn In screens that might develop on AMOLED screens (which we all know it is irreversible). Like always, a portion of people will end up wanting an exchange for a new phone within the warranty time given, then asus have 2 options there: give the customer a new phone if he is not satisfied with the screen performance (because lets say he left the screen on in google maps for 8 hours straight and the status bar got burned into the display, or basically any other app that if left untouched with the screen on for a long time, it might develop burn in image); or withstand the depreciation/anger they will have from those who got the AMOLED variant and got Burnt image on their phones.
These are probably the major issues they could face by doing this out of the blue. (It is just a volatil move). They could have done it if they had announced it along with the other ones at the same time. But now, their best move could be to wait for the next zenfone the are planning to release in the future.
Here is a Bonus issue: I can say with confidence that at the moment of dispatching the phones they might deliver the wrong products since whats going to change is just the screen. (which means returns, exchanges, more time for the consumer to wait, and some bad reviews (like any angry customers would attribute for a very silly mistake) lol)
Your reply is again all about malfunctioning camera mechanism despite that I commented just this your sentence "Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes." I give you the post right here on XDA why it is happening and that this bug will be rectified. But these poor users have caused it to themselves, they made changes at the developer level, and not recognize the negative consequences of doing so, they didn't understand the causal link between the changes they made themselves and the phone's behavior. And then they complained about a broken phone.
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I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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When doing your homework you missed above information, so that's why I came up with a fix for this fake news, not just for you, but mainly for others.
I don't even comment about your hijacking of this thread.