Database Info

system dump posted on androidcentral...

Let's the rom cooking begin...

r_3 said:
Let's the rom cooking begin...
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It's already begun. This is a Desire HD. There is plenty already available, including CM7.

what doesnt work on cm7 for it?

Well the thing is, we have to wait n see what bootloader it has, if it the old one or the one that we can downgrade, then we can root, and if we can root, ummm im pretty positive we can flash any rom from the Desire HD rom section.

romeo0119 said:
Well the thing is, we have to wait n see what bootloader it has, if it the old one or the one that we can downgrade, then we can root, and if we can root, ummm im pretty positive we can flash any rom from the Desire HD rom section.
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I already have a root procedure in mind that I think will work. The HBOOT doesn't matter - the exploit in the newer HTC devices was not in the HBOOT. But the radio version does.

attn1 said:
I already have a root procedure in mind that I think will work. The HBOOT doesn't matter - the exploit in the newer HTC devices was not in the HBOOT. But the radio version does.
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I take it you will be laying down the aria to play with your new Inspire?

aNdroidnut said:
I take it you will be laying down the aria to play with your new Inspire?
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Momentarily. The Aria will still need support for CM. I'm it. This device is established and has good support already. We just need to document the procedure to root and get custom recovery on it, which will be a little more complex than the Euro DHD.

regoice, the great and mighty attn1 has come to the inspire, not sure if its a good thing or not as i still am using my aria but.... oh well.

I will have this phone when it comes out on the 13th, looking forward to some modding. I'm coming from an iphone, JB, customized etc, it's no longer any fun. Hope the roms work and the root is easily attainable, I will be back in here when i get the phone....5 days

I will be getting one of these on launch, though I'm not sure if stores are going to have the phone for a more expensive price than what's shown online. I'm coming from an HTC Fuze and this will be a big improvement for me....now I'll have a nice shiny new gadget to sleep with.
I'm hoping that by some stroke of luck I'll get one that allows sideloading but if not, there are ways around that....I don't like my devices being locked in any way. How long does it generally take to root new phones when they're out? I'm new to Android (been a WM person for quite a few years now) so I'm still trying to read as much as I possibly can about the OS and how it works.

slapdaddy said:
I will be getting one of these on launch, though I'm not sure if stores are going to have the phone for a more expensive price than what's shown online. I'm coming from an HTC Fuze and this will be a big improvement for me....now I'll have a nice shiny new gadget to sleep with.
I'm hoping that by some stroke of luck I'll get one that allows sideloading but if not, there are ways around that....I don't like my devices being locked in any way. How long does it generally take to root new phones when they're out? I'm new to Android (been a WM person for quite a few years now) so I'm still trying to read as much as I possibly can about the OS and how it works.
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I was a WM user for a long time as well.
Once I owned Android Id never go back to anything else.
The complexity of rooting is dependent on the device.
Some phones are rooted even before launch day, hahaha.
Here are 4 links that pretty much break it down for you:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/04/15/rooting-explained-top-5-benefits-of-rooting-your-android-phone/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/01/custom-roms-for-android-explained-and-why-you-want-them/
http://www.firstdroid.com/2010/04/27/rooting-explained-via-android-police/
http://lifehacker.com/#!5342237/five-great-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone

legend221 said:
I was a WM user for a long time as well.
Once I owned Android Id never go back to anything else.
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Also a long time WM user, first Raphael, currently Rhodium. I love HTC devices.
Looking forward to getting the Inspire as well, really thinking that I'll get one at launch. From all indication this should be very similar to DHD. Hopefully the device will be rooted very quick.

I seriously hope we have a root on launch day lol, i mean stock sense is ok but I can only deal w it for so long.

legend221 said:
I was a WM user for a long time as well.
Once I owned Android Id never go back to anything else.
The complexity of rooting is dependent on the device.
Some phones are rooted even before launch day, hahaha.
Here are 4 links that pretty much break it down for you:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/04/15/rooting-explained-top-5-benefits-of-rooting-your-android-phone/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/01/custom-roms-for-android-explained-and-why-you-want-them/
http://www.firstdroid.com/2010/04/27/rooting-explained-via-android-police/
http://lifehacker.com/#!5342237/five-great-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone
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Thanks for the information! Yeah I'm looking forward to this Sunday - I'm probably going to just go in the store when it opens and grab one up then waste the ENTIRE DAY tinkering with it and giggling like a baby with candy.
One thing I didn't see in those articles was the radio firmware for the phone. I've installed and tested... quite a few radios on my Fuze in order to achieve the best possible phone and GPS signal I can get. Is this possible once the phone is rooted?

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Thanks for the information! Yeah I'm looking forward to this Sunday - I'm probably going to just go in the store when it opens and grab one up then waste the ENTIRE DAY tinkering with it and giggling like a baby with candy.
One thing I didn't see in those articles was the radio firmware for the phone. I've installed and tested... quite a few radios on my Fuze in order to achieve the best possible phone and GPS signal I can get. Is this possible once the phone is rooted?
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Looks like the Canadian version from the carrier Telus launched today. From what I've read we should be able to flash that modems soft/firmware and get the full advantage of functioning hsupa. I also will be wasting my entire day in tinkertown lol.

Oh.Y.Not said:
Also a long time WM user, first Raphael, currently Rhodium. I love HTC devices.
Looking forward to getting the Inspire as well, really thinking that I'll get one at launch. From all indication this should be very similar to DHD. Hopefully the device will be rooted very quick.
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All signs point to yes, undoubtedly we are going to blow this Inspire 4G up with root goodness, then once we get a custom recovery BAM! custom roms are soon to come after that. Overclocking the phone will yield results similar to Dual Core devices as posted by me in another thread.
The real power of this phone will shine brightly after all the above

slapdaddy said:
Thanks for the information! Yeah I'm looking forward to this Sunday - I'm probably going to just go in the store when it opens and grab one up then waste the ENTIRE DAY tinkering with it and giggling like a baby with candy.
One thing I didn't see in those articles was the radio firmware for the phone. I've installed and tested... quite a few radios on my Fuze in order to achieve the best possible phone and GPS signal I can get. Is this possible once the phone is rooted?
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As rwon said our Canadian friends have the Inspire / Desire HD now too, the dev ezterry that brought and continues to provide so much to the HTC Dream / G1 community is from there so the talent is definitely of high caliber up north from us.
The MotoDur Atrix to me is seeming to be a bad product already and it hasn't even launched yet, hahaha

So is it safe to go buy the dhd right now? Think there will be root forthe telus desire hd? I can get contract price out of contract today

legend221 said:
All signs point to yes, undoubtedly we are going to blow this Inspire 4G up with root goodness, then once we get a custom recovery BAM! custom roms are soon to come after that. Overclocking the phone will yield results similar to Dual Core devices as posted by me in another thread.
The real power of this phone will shine brightly after all the above
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I'm very hopeful that that many of the tricks and customization from the DesireHD will be able to be adapted. I want my dual core killing battery sipping 4g hsupa enabled monster on release day

rwon said:
I'm very hopeful that that many of the tricks and customization from the DesireHD will be able to be adapted. I want my dual core killing battery sipping 4g hsupa enabled monster on release day
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I'm with you buddy, we all look forward to such work.
I have the phone as of this afternoon, already put a full body shield so I cant play with it as much as Id like to however.
Tomorrow Ill take it out after the settling in process of the skin.

[Q] Should i use XTC Clip ???

I'm tired of waiting for a software S-OFF. There isn't even any news of progress on Sensation or IS forums. I reaalllyyyy wanna try out the LBC sense 3.0 ROM. Should i wait till a software S-OFF comes or should i go to the nearest shop that has XTC Clip and get it S-OFFed from there ? Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what XTC Clip does, and how to use it?

xtc clip make it s-off, can also root, search google
you go to the store, give him 10$ or something, and let him do his job.
what to do? its your choice, i don't understand what you expect to hear, you know the facts, your disition

shrome99 said:
I'm tired of waiting for a software S-OFF. There isn't even any news of progress on Sensation or IS forums. I reaalllyyyy wanna try out the LBC sense 3.0 ROM. Should i wait till a software S-OFF comes or should i go to the nearest shop that has XTC Clip and get it S-OFFed from there ? Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what XTC Clip does, and how to use it?
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XTC clip is a communication device that connect to a HTC phone on a very low level (that's why it communicates through SIM card adaptor) It is a way HTC originally used to lock/unlock their phones - but it has been reversed engineered specifically to unlock...
But back on your original question: YES, get unlock

hi...
i have xtc clip ..i.m in mumbai/india if u loking then mail me i can do for u ..
mail= [email protected]
tnx u

nik_immy said:
hi...
i have xtc clip ..i.m in mumbai/india if u loking then mail me i can do for u ..
mail= [email protected]
tnx u
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Yeah, i'll probably be better off going to a local shop. Mumbai is quite far off........... I just wanna know if it's safe and any disadvantages it has.

Irreversible. That's all. ._.

i have a question too
does it void the warranty? some people say it does & some say it doesn't im a bit worried about the warranty part

[Q] Sensation box date for S-Off?

I remember a T-Mobile employee mentioning that he opened a Sensation box and discovered it to be S-Off. The date on the box was 5-18-2011. The recovery screen listed a date of 5-13-2011. For everyone who has already gotten their phone:
If you have S-Off - Please post your box/recovery dates
If you have a box date of 5-18 - Please post your recovery date and if your phone is S-Off or S-On
If you have a recovery date of 5-13 - Please post your box date and if you have S-Off or S-On
I just thought with the release at T-Mobile stores tomorrow it would be very helpful to people like me who will be waiting outside for the store to open to have a good idea if it will be S-Off or S-On based on the box date. I tried to include all scenarios that replicate the discovered S-Off to find the best way to estimate.

I am not sure if this would be a correct assumption as each date could have a S-On / S-Off variant. I have yet to see any correlation between date and S-Off.

Rod3 said:
I am not sure if this would be a correct assumption as each date could have a S-On / S-Off variant. I have yet to see any correlation between date and S-Off.
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I know it is not going to be [insert date] = S-off but if it can be narrowed down to a point where there is a higher probability that a certain date will be S-off it's still better than nothing. Oh, and in addition, how big of a fuss would the salespeople make with a request to open it up and boot into recovery before committing to a purchase?
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mpjohns3 said:
I know it is not going to be [insert date] = S-off but if it can be narrowed down to a point where there is a higher probability that a certain date will be S-off it's still better than nothing. Oh, and in addition, how big of a fuss would the salespeople make with a request to open it up and boot into recovery before committing to a purchase?
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I know in the UK I can mess around with a phone before I buy it. I just ask to take a look at a phone, boot it into recovery/fastboot/whatever and check S-ON, S-OFF, or whatever I need to check The sales people don't really know what I'm doing, but they don't care if I want an S-OFF or w/e version. Most of the time, they just want to make a sale. If me making sure I get an S-off phone gets a sale, they'll do it. It's the exec's that care about that kind of thing.
No idea if rules are different in the US though

I doubt this has any correlation, but my first sensations default ringtone or the one that it was set on from the factory was the HTC ringtone, which I returned because of touch screen issues, but my second sensations default ringtone is the tmobile jingle. I never checked the first one but this one is S-ON.

Recovery date 13-05-2011, s-on. There are no date on my box?
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slamslugeren said:
Recovery date 13-05-2011, s-on. There are no date on my box?
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Same
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The date on my box is 5-25-2011 and I have S-ON;

no date on box; europe.

azsl1326 said:
The date on my box is 5-25-2011 and I have S-ON;
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+ 1 this
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azsl1326 said:
The date on my box is 5-25-2011 and I have S-ON;
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Same for me....
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redbullcat said:
I know in the UK I can mess around with a phone before I buy it. I just ask to take a look at a phone, boot it into recovery/fastboot/whatever and check S-ON, S-OFF, or whatever I need to check The sales people don't really know what I'm doing, but they don't care if I want an S-OFF or w/e version. Most of the time, they just want to make a sale. If me making sure I get an S-off phone gets a sale, they'll do it. It's the exec's that care about that kind of thing.
No idea if rules are different in the US though
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If you do this with multiple phones then you sir are an ass. I'd hate to go & get a phone to see it's already been opened, just because someone was looking for a specific thing.

xnifex said:
If you do this with multiple phones then you sir are an ass. I'd hate to go & get a phone to see it's already been opened, just because someone was looking for a specific thing.
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Why the hostility? Just tell the salesperson you want an unopened box. Problem solved!

Lol this could be pointless
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What's the purpose of this thread?
There's only one person on XDA that has an S=OFF Sensation.

Paul22000 said:
What's the purpose of this thread?
There's only one person on XDA that has an S=OFF Sensation.
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Really? How do you know?

Paten said:
Really? How do you know?
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Because there's only 1 thread on the development section with 1 person that has the S=OFF. Unless there's been a few others, that's the only person I know of.

Paul22000 said:
Because there's only 1 thread on the development section with 1 person that has the S=OFF. Unless there's been a few others, that's the only person I know of.
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So you're saying we shouldn't invite people to check their phones to see if they are S-OFF and post it here because one guy posted in the development forum that he has S-OFF? How does that make sense?

I would not expected to be able to open the box at all before you buy it in the store at launch. The salesman will likely say no and just sell it to the person standing behind you.
If you want to try and open boxes you should wait until the initial rush dies down, you will have a much better chance of getting someone to let you do that once the stores are not worried about selling out.

Paten said:
So you're saying we shouldn't invite people to check their phones to see if they are S-OFF and post it here because one guy posted in the development forum that he has S-OFF? How does that make sense?
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Okay sure, I'll humor you.
Let's see how many people post that they have S-OFF.

update from agrabren. (07/04/11)

He was in #sensation-devs around 15:19pm PST.
http://pastebin.com/LNE9bjjp

What is this???

Elvis_Freshly said:
What is this???
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IRC log of brief convo with TeamWin dev. Personally, I think his comments are bad news, since we're relying on 'hope' on the radio check...this thing is tighter-locked than I'd imagined.

I think what he has done already is alot. I mean alone my battery life has doubled. I can go a good 14+ hrs on heavy use and still have plenty of battery. plus i have over 350MB of free ram at most times. I can deff wait for him to get the rest done.

trilaxx said:
I think what he has done already is alot. I mean alone my battery life has doubled. I can go a good 14+ hrs on heavy use and still have plenty of battery. plus i have over 350MB of free ram at most times. I can deff wait for him to get the rest done.
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Nice! My battery also improved. Can you ist what apps you disabled to get all tthat free ram? I disabled a few but still have around 150mb free so there's alot running in the background. Thanks in advance.

Can anyone copy that here? Can't view this due to the corporate firewall here at work.

bongd said:
Can anyone copy that here? Can't view this due to the corporate firewall here at work.
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Here you go, boss.
15:19:55 <+pinPoint> before you do something screwey?
15:20:00 -!- mode/#sensation-devs [+v agrabren] by Sensation-Devs
15:20:04 <@W4lth3r> indeed pinPoint
15:20:16 <@giorgis> agrabren!
15:21:00 <@giorgis> agrabren, how's fre3vo^2 going?
15:21:13 <+pinPoint> ??
15:21:14 <+agrabren> I've been focusing on Fre3Dom today...
15:21:22 <@giorgis> ah, even better
15:21:24 <@giorgis>
15:21:29 <+pinPoint> instead of having some beer and steak agrabren ??!!!
15:21:36 <@W4lth3r> agrabren: !
15:21:42 <+agrabren> We ran into a few snags with fre3vo^2 and most of us think getting S-OFF is more important
15:21:53 <@giorgis> is there a confirmed way for fre3dom to work?
15:22:16 -!- mode/#sensation-devs [+v grantland] by Sensation-Devs
15:22:19 <@giorgis> agrabren, definitely
15:22:28 <+agrabren> Not yet. We've discovered some of their protections, though.
15:22:54 <@giorgis> good to hear
15:23:10 <+pinPoint> protections that guarded s-on?
15:23:29 <+agrabren> Protections that guard against flashing a signed eng bootloader.
15:23:49 <+pinPoint> do we even have a signed eng boot?
15:24:03 <+agrabren> We do for the EVO 3D, but it doesn't matter. It won't help either team.
15:24:17 <+pinPoint> how so?
15:24:26 <+pinPoint> because we cannot flash it?
15:24:29 <@giorgis> pinPoint, we only have an unsigned one...
15:25:00 <@W4lth3r> agrabren: you cant even flash a signed eng hboot ?
15:25:06 <@W4lth3r> neighter if its signed by htc?
15:25:21 <+agrabren> If you flash an eng signed hboot, it apparently still rejects because the radio reports S-ON
15:25:37 <+pinPoint> dang, all types of protections
15:25:43 <@giorgis> oh, correct..
15:26:27 <+pinPoint> agrabren: are you able to discuss what approach your team is taking or is it hush hush for now?
15:26:47 <+agrabren> I'm personally looking to attack the radio itself.
15:27:10 <+pinPoint> attack?
15:27:15 <@giorgis> agrabren, is there any hope that this will succeed?
15:27:25 <+agrabren> There's always hope, or I wouldn't be wasting my time.
15:27:31 <@giorgis> true
15:27:34 <@W4lth3r> giorgis: ofc everything can be passed by
15:27:56 <+pinPoint> agrabren: is emmc proving to be more problematic vs evo4g's?
15:28:00 <@W4lth3r> like real life, shoot down the soldier and walk trough.
15:28:24 <@giorgis> indeed
15:28:28 <+agrabren> It's not eMMC that's a problem. It's the boot rom with the radio.
15:29:49 <+pinPoint> hmm...
15:30:11 <+pinPoint> so what is the difference between hboot, s-on, bootloader
15:30:21 <+pinPoint> I must be missing something
15:30:26 <+agrabren> Ok, so the radio controls S-ON/S-OFF, called @secuflag
15:30:34 <+agrabren> HBOOT asks the radio if it should be S-ON or S-OFF.
15:31:03 <+agrabren> The problem is, there is a boot ROM with the radio which checks for S-ON, and if so, verifies the HBOOT is production.
15:31:09 <+agrabren> (That's what it appears to be)
15:31:30 <+agrabren> Most of the recent hacks attack HBOOT, and make it ignore whatever the Radio reports for @secuflag
15:32:09 <@giorgis> so we can't put an s-off hboot that will ignore radio because the boot rom will detect it right?
15:32:16 <+agrabren> Yup
15:33:02 <@giorgis> and when does this boot rom runs, is it the boot.img of a rom (i know i may be talking bs now )
15:33:39 <+agrabren> It's in the radio, it runs before the bootloader (HBOOT)
15:33:42 <@W4lth3r> i bet agrabren fixed s-off before i got my sensation anyway
15:33:54 <@giorgis> ah ok
15:34:16 <@giorgis> got it now
15:35:51 <+agrabren> Ok, gotta run. I'm actually trying to get some hacking in before dinner.
15:35:56 <+agrabren> Got family coming over
15:36:07 <@giorgis> nice
15:36:43 <@W4lth3r> agrabren: don't brick ur evo
15:36:52 <@W4lth3r> and have a good time :>
15:37:19 <+agrabren> Thanks. Later.
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StefanB86 said:
Here you go, boss.
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Thanks, brother!
Message 'thanked'!

trilaxx said:
I think what he has done already is alot. I mean alone my battery life has doubled. I can go a good 14+ hrs on heavy use and still have plenty of battery. plus i have over 350MB of free ram at most times. I can deff wait for him to get the rest done.
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i wanna know what you disabled too. I got more ram, but nothing close to 350megs...
this is not bad news, its just gonna take a little longer, thats all... Lets not forget that HTC also promised S-off so who knows, they might even come in faster than team win (highly doubt it though.

r3awak3n said:
i wanna know what you disabled too. I got more ram, but nothing close to 350megs...
this is not bad news, its just gonna take a little longer, thats all... Lets not forget that HTC also promised S-off so who knows, they might even come in faster than team win (highly doubt it though.
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Didn't a few days ago they said they have no roadmaps for a unlocked bootloader?

nitrogen618 said:
Didn't a few days ago they said they have no roadmaps for a unlocked bootloader?
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If htc have no idea to s-off the devices why make a promise to update the locked bootloader? Losing trust in htc though. Making a promise that they cannot keep. Words are words but action talks louder than words.
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whats key are the words they chose :/ they said that all FUTURE devices will be S-OFF and this was post-S4G and evo3D production started...
they also DID say that sensation and evo3D will recieve bootloader unlocks, but i think they will either discontinue efforts and let teamwin do all the dirty work, or support them but not pushing OTA security updates (fingers crossed )
the thing that kills me is that HTC came out and said thet the evo3D bootloader would be unlocked out of box, and so far almost every one is S-ON

bongd said:
Thanks, brother!
Message 'thanked'!
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lol you said u thanked his message but doesn't show that u did

piimp said:
lol you said u thanked his message but doesn't show that u did
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Uhh... I thanked it before I even replied. Probably didn't go through because of the filters here at work. But not like it matters, right?

bongd said:
Uhh... I thanked it before I even replied. Probably didn't go through because of the filters here at work. But not like it matters, right?
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True true, I was just bored n noticed it, that's all
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Nobody working on s-off

I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. You can constantly update ROMs and never be done so why doesn't somebody just finish something for once and get us s-off. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a difference instead of continually adding changes to your ROMs from cm. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm sick of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi.
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Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.

I'm sorry I went too far there And I deserved it but a progress update would be nice don't you wanna know where were at?
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Vain III said:
Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.

We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.

invasion2 said:
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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What I was saying was if some of our dev's took time off making ROMs they might be able to get us s-off. Go look at one x forums and it'll make you a little mad....
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stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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That forum was crazy...
And there's a HUGE difference between a rom developer and someone who could actually get S-off on a device. Not many people can do it.

Technically, ROM makers are considered "chefs" and being a developer is actually more work isn't it?

invasion2 said:
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though

This kind of talk is so depressing for people like me who were on the fence about getting this device lol. When I had the offer to get the HTC One S I first looked in these forums and seen a lot going on, so I thought it was well supported but it wasn't til after i got it that I dug a little deeper to find out things like this. And now here I am stuck with the higher hboot. Very depressing but hey, it's still one of the best phones out. It just seems it is gonna turn into an EOL device. Pretty soon everyone we'll say to hell with it and go to a nexus only attitude!

stratax said:
You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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LOL RIGHT!
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stratax said:
There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.

Don't complain and be happy that we are at least able to flash boot.img. Look at AT&T One X forums. They are not even able to unlock their bootloaders with the latest hboot.

tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?

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LOL RIGHT!
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
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I stayed a while after they achieved S-OFF, then I sold the phone for a nokia n9 and then traded that for the iphone 4 then traded that for this phone hahah
yeah, they sure did have motivation, I guess people are getting sick and tired of achieving something that we shouldn't have to achieve. almost every other manufacture allows their bootloader to be unlocked, etc. HTC is going to have to make more changes if they want to succeed in this market.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z2cOGHC8Q&feature=g-all-u @2:20 my point

dc211 said:
If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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Yeah but the time it took to get to this point distracts dev's from even considering purchasing this phone. DOA

dc211 said:
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
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..Change recoveries.
We do have a big difference between the 'old' and 'new' hboots, tho.
The older ones can flash pretty much anything from normal recovery. The newer hboots are way more restricted. Even if we can't get permanent s-off, it would be very nice if we got the means to downgrade hboot to 1.06 or 1.09.
-Jobo

tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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lorddart said:
Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I too am in this thread to get something to change. I want people who work almost full time and go to college full time to stop what they are currently working on and start working on S-OFF. Seems like a dumb request huh? That's what you're asking the dev to do......

tylerjholmgren said:
Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I get ya, but it really came across as, it's a pain to boot to fastboot to flash a kernel. Which sounds incredibly lazy. Because it doesn't take long at all. I probably came across harsh I get that. But at least if you're asking devs to do something for you at least offer something, some help, suggestions, time, donations, something. I don't think it's good practice to come in asking devs who are busy and already do all this without asking anything in return to cater to just your needs. When you are not offering anything in return and even donations are to show appreciation. Most devs do have a life and as stated above me, are busy as hell too. So remember before asking this that you wouldn't have anything to complain about if the devs weren't already sacrificing their time, because you'd have no roms to flash to even be concerned with changing kernels.
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