Having owned a galaxy s, I prefer the SLCD of the newer HTC phones coming out. They are just so much more clear/crisp and the colors look how they are supposed to look.
I've always thought of super amoled screens as HDTV's on display in a store with the brightness and contrast cranked up, and SLCD screens as HDTV's that have been properly calibrated.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd take SLCD anyday over super amoled. Anyone else feel the same?
brian85 said:
Having owned a galaxy s, I prefer the SLCD of the newer HTC phones coming out. They are just so much more clear/crisp and the colors look how they are supposed to look.
I've always thought of super amoled screens as HDTV's on display in a store with the brightness and contrast cranked up, and SLCD screens as HDTV's that have been properly calibrated.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd take SLCD anyday over super amoled. Anyone else feel the same?
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You aren't the only one. I've played with a Samsung Focus extensively at work, and I honestly don't like it that much. Yes, the blacks are amazing, because they're actually really truly black. It's a really dramatic difference on the black-heavy WP7 interface.
Every AMOLED screen I've used has this pixelated look to it that just kills me. They do not look smooth.
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I think it's just a personal preference thing. Some people like the wow factor of the super saturated colors on AMOLED. Some like how smooth a normal LCD looks.
Blacks look great, I'll give it that, but as soon as I started using an SLCD display, I completely forgot about deep blacks. Overall I just feel that SLCD screens are better.
I prefer Super Amoled to SLCD, but I prefer qHD SLCD to a WVGA Super Amoled. Not sure about Super Amoled Plus though.
Super AMOLED Plus = Super AMOLED - all the bad bits.
Bad bits of Super AMOLED:
Oversaturated? You can adjust the color hue from dynamic (color pops out), standard (erm, standard- looks similar to my Sensation) and movie (dull).
Pixelation? The standard (Real-Stripe) RGB layout on the Plus screen replaces the previous PenTile layout (RGBG). It makes the pixels look like any other normal LCD screen's.
Only gripe is the low-ish resolution now.
The Engadget review explains it quite well:
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The Galaxy S II's screen is nothing short of spectacular. Blacks are impenetrable, colors pop out at you, and viewing angles are supreme. This would usually be the part where we'd point out that qHD (960 x 540) resolution is fast becoming the norm among top-tier smartphones and that the GSII's 800 x 480 is therefore a bit behind the curve, but frankly, we don't care. With a screen as beautiful as this, such things pale into insignificance. And we use that verb advisedly -- whereas the majority of LCDs quickly lose their luster when you tilt them away from center, color saturation and vibrancy on the Galaxy S II remain undiminished. It is only at extreme angles that you'll notice some discoloration, but that's only if you're looking for it and takes nothing away from the awe-inspiring experience of simply using this device.
Whether you're pushing it to its limits with movie watching or just tamely browsing the web, the Super AMOLED Plus panel inside the Galaxy S II never fails to remind you that it's simply better than almost everything else that's out there. For an instructive example of the contrast on offer here, take a look at our recent post regarding the LG Optimus Big's upcoming launch in Korea. The pattern on that handset's white back was so subtle on our desktop monitor that we completely missed it, whereas when we looked at the same image on the GSII, it looked clear as day. Maybe that doesn't speak too highly of the monitors we're working with, but it underlines the supremacy of the display Samsung has squeezed into the Galaxy S II.
We'd even go so far as to say it's better than the iPhone 4's screen, purely because, at 4.3 inches, it gives us so much more room to work with. It's almost impossible to split the two up in terms of quality of output, they're both top notch. Notably, however, that was also true of Samsung's original Super AMOLED display, the one that graced the 4-inch Galaxy S, and by now you must be wondering if there's actually anything significant enough in the new S-AMOLED technology to justify appending that "Plus" to its name. The short answer is yes, and it's all in the pixels.
The one major downside to the original Super AMOLED panel was to be found in its PenTile matrix subpixel arrangement. It employed an RGBG pattern, wherein you got two green subpixels for every pair of red and blue ones, but the overall resolution was counted on the basis of green subpixels. Ergo, a PenTile 800 x 480 resolution wasn't as rich at the subpixel level as your standard RGB screen (768,000 versus 1,152,000), which resulted in slightly grainier images than would otherwise have been the case. Well, that "otherwise" scenario is now with us, because Samsung has switched to a Real-Stripe RGB array in the 4.3-inch Galaxy S II, which means it packs the full 1.152 megasubpixel count and, as we've already noted, the display looks delectable for it. A lesser criticism of the original Galaxy S was that its colors were a little blown out and oversaturated, but that's once again rendered moot on the successor device -- a software setting called Background effect allows you to tweak saturation, so if you're feeling a little melancholy, you can tone down the intensity of your handset's colors to match your ennui. Basically, if we haven't made it clear already, this is everything that Super AMOLED was, minus the bad parts and plus an extra .3 inches in real estate. A triumph.
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Disclaimer: I own both the GSII and the Sensation. Yes, I'd take a SLCD over SAMOLED (PenTile really bugs me), but SAMOLED+ over the SLCD on the Sensation any day. The higher resolution is really nice though.
And something for all the cynics who undoubtedly think I'm just a sammy fanboy who doesn't actually have a sensation:
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z451/yamanote/Image0050.jpg
Maybe I'll prefer the Sensation when I can load custom ROMs onto it, who knows?
i think most of us have read the reviews and specs. When I compared them side by side I had to choose the Sensation though. Which is not to say the Sensation's screen is better, just much more to my liking.
IMHO the S2's screen is an acquired taste. Delicious if you like it, but essential you try before you buy.
The good thing about SAMOLED is it's very very bright when outside. Go outside in bright sunlight and look at your Sensation's screen. That's right...it's very difficult to see anything.
But SAMOLED also draw backs, especially screen burn in. Personally, if there was a qHD SAMOLED screen, I'd take it, but there isn't, and having used qHD, I don't think I could ever go back
No problem seeing the Sensation screen in direct sunlight. The other thing about samoled screens to remember is that they ABSOLUTELY KILL batteries! I've had a Samsung Vibrant for almost a year now and have NEVER had the brightness above 50%. It's usually all to way down so i can get a days battery charger out of it.
Agree. <( ' ' <)
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I prefer Super Amoled to SLCD, but I prefer qHD SLCD to a WVGA Super Amoled. Not sure about Super Amoled Plus though.
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I agree. Currently have the Sensation, what kept me getting that over the Galaxy SII is the resolution of the screen. Absolutely amazing and definitely worth it!
I have both and the extra resolution is nice but the gs2 screen is nicer specially with the better viewing angles, its when you put 2 together you notice how much better it looks.
Samsung sold 10MM Galaxy S phones last year making it the top selling phone behind iPhone. 10MM people think the screen's pretty cool - flaws and all. HTC started to use SAMOLED (Desire, Incredible) but Samsung backed out of the deal. HTC must of thought it was pretty cool too because it's a lot more expensive than LCD.
Pick what works for you.
Just wait for Sammy to produce the qHd Super amoleds, then redue the comparison. So far some widgets and apps don't fit correctly with the qHd screens yet. But I like the higher res instead.
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Because its Super AMOLED
I got two HTC Desire, one the original AMOLED and the other one the LCD.
And if my normal AMOLED is anything to go by, I do understand why people would want something like Super AMOLED in there phone.
The vibrancy and the black level just blows you mind away.
So yeah.
It's just a matter of preference. Some people like having LED/LCD tv's in their living rooms, and others like myself prefer the deeper blacks, crazy viewing angles, and amazing colors that plasma's provide. It's the same with AMOLED vs LCD. Amoled's do tend to oversaturate colors but it isn't a bad thing.
What seems to turn off most people from Samsungs implementation, is the colors that are used in touchwiz. It makes the experience seem a little circus-like. But once you root it and get rid of touchwiz, it becomes an amazing experience. Believe me, if you owned one you'd understand. You'd learn to love how blacks are pure black, instead of a washed out gray. You'd love that the icons pop out at you. I'm getting the Sensation because i'm with t-mo and I have a nasty obsession with new gadgets, and the Hercules can't get here fast enough.
I personally like the color definition of the AMOLED screens. Comparing my Nexus One to my Sesation I believe that the Nexus offers better color definition and graphics seem to look crisper as well.
The Sensation does seem to offer a brighter screen and ofcourse who can complain against a 4.3 inch screen.
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It's just a matter of preference. Some people like having LED/LCD tv's in their living rooms, and others like myself prefer the deeper blacks, crazy viewing angles, and amazing colors that plasma's provide. It's the same with AMOLED vs LCD. Amoled's do tend to oversaturate colors but it isn't a bad thing.
What seems to turn off most people from Samsungs implementation, is the colors that are used in touchwiz. It makes the experience seem a little circus-like. But once you root it and get rid of touchwiz, it becomes an amazing experience. Believe me, if you owned one you'd understand. You'd learn to love how blacks are pure black, instead of a washed out gray. You'd love that the icons pop out at you. I'm getting the Sensation because i'm with t-mo and I have a nasty obsession with new gadgets, and the Hercules can't get here fast enough.
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I owned a super amoled phone for a year...
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Thanks to xda-developer members we can now confirm SLCD and AMOLED device's screens can be swapped.
Currently the only known way to do this is to replace the whole motherboard.
Because it seems the connectors look the same but will not work when switched to another screen type.
Other ways are yet to be discovered.
I recommend you only to try swap if you really have to, otherwise stick to the one you currently own because the difference isn't that big.
Here I uploaded a pair of instruction videos of assembling and disassembling the device:
HTC Desire Assembly Video
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Here are some videos on Youtube of the comparison:
Comparison on Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/spot-the-difference-htc-desires-slcd-versus-amoled/
Other:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqkMxWEAG_E&feature=player_embedded
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9yL3Av86E
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9EPEsiT8p4
'HTC also claims new SLCD displays have “approximately five times better power management” than older LCD technology'.
AMOLED has better viewing angles than LCD & SLCD but LCD/SLCD shows better results in direct sunlight.
you can buy one, but I dont know If it would still work (connectors..)
heres one, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260646947638&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
hope this help! good Luck!
Quick question: I thought the SLCD's were the better screens between the two types?
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Quick question: I thought the SLCD's were the better screens between the two types?
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who told you that lol amoled has much better colour definition and much better black definition, its also less power hungry
Amoled has awesome contrast and unbelievable dark blacks. In addition the colours are more saturated and look better in general.
HTC had to change to SLCD Panels because Samsung cant produce AMOLED screens fast enough (Samsung needs to produce them for Galaxy S too!).
!PANDA said:
you can buy one, but I dont know If it would still work (connectors..)
heres one, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260646947638&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
hope this help! good Luck!
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Thanks hehe, I'll try it out if I feel like spending money on this experiment.
I'm also not sure if it has the same connectors. Have to research that.
Anyone here knows if it works or has tried it already?
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who told you that lol amoled has much better colour definition and much better black definition, its also less power hungry
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Ah I see. Makes me glad I have the Amoled version.
lol, and I read on multiple reviews that SLCD was the better screen when it comes to power consumption
AndroHero said:
who told you that lol amoled has much better colour definition and much better black definition, its also less power hungry
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Who told you that? ...
The AMOLED draws less power when displaying mixed-color and dark images... as soon as about 40% of the screen is white, traditional LCD (and I suppose SLCD even more) is superior in power consumption. In fact, when displaying a page that's mostly white (like black text on white background), AMOLED draws 2x-3x MORE power than LCD.
In addition, the pentile matrix on our Desire AMOLEDs makes text look like it's gone through a meat grinder (jagged edges, not sharp at all), and the colors are all neon-y. Not to mention the pink tint at low brightness...
The SLCD has far more realistic colors, is color-stable at basically all brightnesses and produces sharp text. Oh, and for my use (surfing the web, reading eBooks), it uses a LOT less power.
Check out the Froyo Battery Use thread over in the Desire General forum for more info, there's a ton of background information in there.
But the AMOLED screen stays perfect in heavy sunlight right?
Or do you think I should forget to replace it and just stay with the SLCD.
AMOLED is piss poor in direct sunlight!!
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But the AMOLED screen stays perfect in heavy sunlight right?
Or do you think I should forget to replace it and just stay with the SLCD.
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More like the other way around, although tbh the difference is slight.
Well I have done extra research on this. Seems, over all AMOLED is better. SLCD suffers from light bleeding from the edges.
I used my phone in direct sunlight today - wasn't perfect - however I could clearly read the screen and make out the text on it, etc.
If you can, I so go with AMOLED.
Edit: I have yet to notice the pink tint issue? And text looks clear and perfect to me.
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Well I have done extra research on this. Seems, over all AMOLED is better. SLCD suffers from light bleeding from the edges.
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The status LED bleeds through like crazy on both versions anyway... what's a little LCD backlight bleed?
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I used my phone in direct sunlight today - wasn't perfect - however I could clearly read the screen and make out the text on it, etc.
If you can, I so go with AMOLED.
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Why go with AMOLED? Because you can barely read it in sunlight? Because backlight bleed trumps far lower power consumption, sharp text and realistic colors?
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Edit: I have yet to notice the pink tint issue? And text looks clear and perfect to me.
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Compare it to screenshots (you can take them directly with the SDK) on your PC and you'll notice right away. All the greys are pink when the brightness is low...
Both have their pros and cons.
The SLCD is sharper, because of RGB Subpixels, has maybe better battery life with white backgrounds. The colors are more natural.
SLCD has a worse contrast (no true black). It also has worse viewing angles. The colors are more natural but less vibrant, and more vibrant colors just look better on a phone, so the colors are worse for me
AMOLED has a super contrast and real black. It has a better battery life with black backgrounds, which most mobile operating systems are optimized for in my opinion (or is the settings dialog white?). The colors are gorgeous. They are very vibrant, which means they don't represent the true color value, but who cares, it just looks better Who has an AMOLED screen? It's something new, unique, something special.
AMOLED is less sharp, because of the pentile cheating, no RGB subpixels.
Pink color: That's because of the pentile technique and is easy to fix with proper color profiles, which was done with the release of Android 2.2. So no visible pink at low brightness any longer.
Sunlight: In the images and videos none of them performed better. Both are readable in direct sunlight. None good.
HTC was forced to change to SLCD.
So both are almost equal. SLCD is a normal display type most phones have.
The only real disadvantage AMOLED has, is the pentile technique.
Else, it's my preferred display type, especially because I just wanted to have an AMOLED screen. The black and the colors are just impressing. I don't care if hte colors are natural or not, they have to look great, which AMOLED colors do. Especially photos look superb.
If I compare the Desire AMOLED display with the AFFS+ (similar to IPS, just better, it's the best you can get on a laptop) Display of my tablet PC, then I see a huge difference in the colors. Sure, the laptop display shows me the true colors, but they just don't look that nice. The black is not as black and the colors, like red, are not that vibrant. It looks somehow boring.
AMOLED was one important reason why I've bought the Desire.
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Who told you that? ...
The AMOLED draws less power when displaying mixed-color and dark images... as soon as about 40% of the screen is white, traditional LCD (and I suppose SLCD even more) is superior in power consumption. In fact, when displaying a page that's mostly white (like black text on white background), AMOLED draws 2x-3x MORE power than LCD.
In addition, the pentile matrix on our Desire AMOLEDs makes text look like it's gone through a meat grinder (jagged edges, not sharp at all), and the colors are all neon-y. Not to mention the pink tint at low brightness...
The SLCD has far more realistic colors, is color-stable at basically all brightnesses and produces sharp text. Oh, and for my use (surfing the web, reading eBooks), it uses a LOT less power.
Check out the Froyo Battery Use thread over in the Desire General forum for more info, there's a ton of background information in there.
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I've always read that a black screen on a LCD display used the most power because every pixel is effectively on (blocking light) while white shown on a LCD uses less power because all the crystals are allowing light through... It would make sense, though, for AMOLED to use more power with white because every pixel is on.
But maybe this only applies to large format displays? (i'll look for sources)
Found quite a few sources just searching google for "LCD use less power with white" (including a scientific american article). But there's a current thread about the n900 where they talk about this specifically: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-59872.html
@Upspin
You're right, of course - both have their upsides. I just don't understand why you'd want your screen to show "unreal" colors. Might look better when you're just looking at the homescreen or icons, but what about watching video or looking at photos? I hate the way people (skin tones) look on my AMOLED Desire
As for battery life, there really is no contest when it comes to things like web browsing. Since most web sites use dark text on bright backgrounds, the power consumption with AMOLED displays goes through the roof... CyanogenMod has added color inversion to the browser to help, but that makes the scrolling in the browser choppy, and I like Dolphin HD
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I've always read that a black screen on a LCD display used the most power because every pixel is effectively on (blocking light) while white shown on a LCD uses less power because all the crystals are allowing light through... It would make sense, though, for AMOLED to use more power with white because every pixel is on.
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You just have to understand how a LC and an AMOLED Display work. Both work totally different.
On an AMOLED each pixel emits light on their own. Thus, dark pixels consume zero energy, red 1/3, green 1/3, blue 1/3 and white all of them combined. With the pentile technique it's not 3*1/3, but a bit different, not that important.
A LC, just as the name implies, consists of Liquid Crystals. The easiest structure is TN (Twisted Nematic). The principle is simple. You have a white background source, which consists of blue, red and green light. Together it appears white, easy. This background light is on, the whole time, regardless if you display black or white content on the display. But how do we get colors and black and white? Now you just have to place a (1) polarizer, (2) an array of Liquid Crystals, and a (3) second polarizer, which is rotated by 90 degree in relation to the first, in front of this light source.
To keep it easy we use a TN structure.
Without any voltage applied to our LC, the light from the background source passes the (1) first polarizer and gets linearly polarized. Then it passes the (2) LC, gets rotated by 90 degree by the twisted molecules and passes the second polarizer, and you see white light.
With voltage applied, the molecules in the LC get rotated, so they aren't twisted any longer. Now light passes the first polarizer and gets polarized again, passes the LC without getting rotated this time, thus gets blocked by the second polarizer and it appears black to you.
So finally:
A LCD has an always on background light. However, black needs more power because you have to apply a voltage to a liquid crystal, and a leakage current causes the power draw. White however needs less power, because you don't have to apply any voltage.
However, I think this effect gets really interesting if you have large displays or a high number of pixels.
Several magnitudes more power consuming is the background light.
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@Upspin
You're right, of course - both have their upsides. I just don't understand why you'd want your screen to show "unreal" colors. Might look better when you're just looking at the homescreen or icons, but what about watching video or looking at photos? I hate the way people (skin tones) look on my AMOLED Desire
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hehe, and I love it Love the deep black in dark movies and the saturated colors. Skin tones, didn't noticed some odd tones yet.
bemymonkey said:
As for battery life, there really is no contest when it comes to things like web browsing. Since most web sites use dark text on bright backgrounds, the power consumption with AMOLED displays goes through the roof... CyanogenMod has added color inversion to the browser to help, but that makes the scrolling in the browser choppy, and I like Dolphin HD
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Yup, true. I have to life with this drawback. Not that huge in my opinion, because battery life is fine for me. I recharge every day, regardless how full/empty my desire is, so really, I don't care that much if it consumes a bit more or less.
But nice tip with the color inversion mod, great for night browsing.
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Yup, true. I have to life with this drawback. Not that huge in my opinion, because battery life is fine for me. I recharge every day, regardless how full/empty my desire is, so really, I don't care that much if it consumes a bit more or less.
But nice tip with the color inversion mod, great for night browsing.
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I need all the battery life I can get - almost never make it through a full day
I'll just stay with the SLCD if it doesn't make a really big difference anyway.
Recharging your phone every day? I always wait till the battery is drained almost completely then recharge till 100% full because that is supposed to be better for your battery.
Might just add a poll just to see ratings between what favors people the most hehe.
I've seen many phone screens but so far the sharpest crisper phone screen I've seen is the sidekick lx 09, followed by the iphone 4 and the tmobile G2 and the nexus one. The reason for being that the sidekick has 854 x 480 resolution in a 3.2" screen.
The iphone has a 640 x 960 resolution in a 3.5" screen about the same resolution but the sidekick has more pixels per inches because its a smaller screen than the iphone.
Tmobile G2 and the nexus one with a 480 x 800 resolution are the sharpest screens I've seen after the sidekick lx 09 and iphone 4.
What are the sharpest crisper cellphone screens you've seen so far?
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I've seen many phone screens but so far the sharpest crisper phone screen I've seen is the sidekick lx 09, followed by the iphone 4 and the tmobile G2 and the nexus one. The reason for being that the sidekick has 854 x 480 resolution in a 3.2" screen.
The iphone has a 640 x 960 resolution in a 3.5" screen about the same resolution but the sidekick has more pixels per inches because its a smaller screen than the iphone.
Tmobile G2 and the nexus one with a 480 x 800 resolution are the sharpest screens I've seen after the sidekick lx 09 and iphone 4.
What are the sharpest crisper cellphone screens you've seen so far?
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Really? The G2 and Nexus one? Yeesh... First would have to be iphone 4 though the screens too tiny for my taste. From there I'd say the Samsung Focus, then the Dell Venue Pro, from there it's all downhill... I don't think android really shows the beauty of a screen properly or I'd put the Galaxy S line somewhere on there... probably along-side the focus.
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Really? The G2 and Nexus one? Yeesh... First would have to be iphone 4 though the screens too tiny for my taste. From there I'd say the Samsung Focus, then the Dell Venue Pro, from there it's all downhill... I don't think android really shows the beauty of a screen properly or I'd put the Galaxy S line somewhere on there... probably along-side the focus.
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Galaxy s phone screens aren't shraper than the G2, they have less pixels per inches, and I don't like the super amoled either. And have you seen the sidekick lx 09? Its belive to be rank as the sharpest screen in the world because is so small and has so many pixels per inches. The screen is ****in gorgeous, iphone 4 is nice too
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Just got a Desire Z/G2 today. Don't really notice the screen compared to the HD2 with the same resolution on a .6" bigger screen.
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Just got a Desire Z/G2 today. Don't really notice the screen compared to the HD2 with the same resolution on a .6" bigger screen.
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Must be yu cuz the evo resolution is wack and they the same resolution, the evo looks less sharper and its a .6 screen
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This.
My next phone will have that screen.
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This.
My next phone will have that screen.
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Awesome can't wait!!!!, the G3 should have that resolution in a 3.8 display wow only imagine.
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Galaxy s phone screens aren't shraper than the G2, they have less pixels per inches, and I don't like the super amoled either. And have you seen the sidekick lx 09? Its belive to be rank as the sharpest screen in the world because is so small and has so many pixels per inches. The screen is ****in gorgeous, iphone 4 is nice too
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PPI is no big deal to me especially considering the difference in screen size and the fact that nothing looks sharp on an HTC LCD screen. The lx 09 I guess has a decent screen but for a tiny non-touchscreen screen that doesnt really mean much... iPhone 4 has an awesome display, just too small a phone and too ugly a UI for me...
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PPI is no big deal to me especially considering the difference in screen size and the fact that nothing looks sharp on an HTC LCD screen. The lx 09 I guess has a decent screen but for a tiny non-touchscreen screen that doesnt really mean much... iPhone 4 has an awesome display, just too small a phone and too ugly a UI for me...
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Super lcd has is the sharpest after retina display on touchscreen phones, the super amoled isn't as sharp as the G2's screen. And to add that the colors on the super amoled look over saturated no natural colors, only thing the super amoled got on the super lcd is the blacks lol the only thing super amoled got better than lcds. I don't understand what yu mean by that htc screens aren't sharp?
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Super lcd has is the sharpest after retina display on touchscreen phones, the super amoled isn't as sharp as the G2's screen. And to add that the colors on the super amoled look over saturated no natural colors, only thing the super amoled got on the super lcd is the blacks lol the only thing super amoled got better than lcds. I don't understand what yu mean by that htc screens aren't sharp?
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The no natural colors argument is an excuse for lack of quality. The vibrancy of AMOLED and SAMOLED looks much more natural than the washed out colors of HTCs LCD screens... If by sharp you mean PPI then I'm sure I could get a phone with a 3 inch screen that owned any of those... However for all visual purposes AMOLED looks best with SAMOLED in a close second (SAMOLED puts a blue hue on white colors that I dislike) then in distant last is LCD screens. I'm watching the same show same episode of smallville on an HD7, a Dell Venue Pro, and a Samsung Focus right now. The Focus and the DVP are right on par with each other, the HD7 is trailing... I mean the Focus has 223 PPI which unless you're holding the phone less than a foot from your face is hardly discernible and the DVP is at 228, again barely discernible. There really isnt much difference between that and the 256 of the g2 and with that you sacrifice screen size and get caught on an LCD screen... no thanks.
I love how this is just a hate thread. I'd prefer to read something other than this hateful garbage. WAHH WAHH HTC PHONZ SUKS KAWS I GOTZ AMOLED. Perhaps the iPhone and G2 ARE sharper quality physically, but the human eye can barely distinguish. My screen looks beautiful whether you agree or not.
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I love how this is just a hate thread. I'd prefer to read something other than this hateful garbage. WAHH WAHH HTC PHONZ SUKS KAWS I GOTZ AMOLED. Perhaps the iPhone and G2 ARE sharper quality physically, but the human eye can barely distinguish. My screen looks beautiful whether you agree or not.
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Cool, way to bring immaturity to a thread containing primarily intelligent and informative conversation.
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The no natural colors argument is an excuse for lack of quality. The vibrancy of AMOLED and SAMOLED looks much more natural than the washed out colors of HTCs LCD screens... If by sharp you mean PPI then I'm sure I could get a phone with a 3 inch screen that owned any of those... However for all visual purposes AMOLED looks best with SAMOLED in a close second (SAMOLED puts a blue hue on white colors that I dislike) then in distant last is LCD screens. I'm watching the same show same episode of smallville on an HD7, a Dell Venue Pro, and a Samsung Focus right now. The Focus and the DVP are right on par with each other, the HD7 is trailing... I mean the Focus has 223 PPI which unless you're holding the phone less than a foot from your face is hardly discernible and the DVP is at 228, again barely discernible. There really isnt much difference between that and the 256 of the g2 and with that you sacrifice screen size and get caught on an LCD screen... no thanks.
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I was talking about the super amoled which you agree sucks with white colors, and not only that but it has a greenish tinge on yellows that looks very unatural, I haven't seen an amoled screen, I only seen OLED and SAMOLED, my cousin got the epic and super LCD has way more natural colors, look at the youtube video comparison and you'll see what I'm talking about and remember to YOU it looks better than SLCD not to me, it all depends on what looks better to you I personally don't think colors are washed out like you claim on SLCDs, however I think colors are over saturated on SAMOLED. Thank god htc can't implement SAMOLED displays on htc devices hopefully they'll keep SLCD since samsung is the only one that makes SAMOLED
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I love how this is just a hate thread. I'd prefer to read something other than this hateful garbage. WAHH WAHH HTC PHONZ SUKS KAWS I GOTZ AMOLED. Perhaps the iPhone and G2 ARE sharper quality physically, but the human eye can barely distinguish. My screen looks beautiful whether you agree or not.
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What phone do you have? And which screen you like better SAMOLED or SLCD?, and listen some might think Samoled has better colors but who cares IMO, and probably yours too, SAMOLED is does not have better colors, we all have different taste and opinions, and SLCD out of all I've seen is the best, its natural in colors, reds doesn't look like. Orange or like they're bleeding and yellows don't look greenish, it is very sharp and has great brightness, if it only had the blacks the SAMOLED has it would be the perfect screen, but still I could give two cents for how black are the blacks.
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I was talking about the super amoled which you agree sucks with white colors, and not only that but it has a greenish tinge on yellows that looks very unatural, I haven't seen an amoled screen, I only seen OLED and SAMOLED, my cousin got the epic and super LCD has way more natural colors, look at the youtube video comparison and you'll see what I'm talking about
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I agree that it looks pretty nice... I personally prefer AMOLED over the alternatives Super LCD included. SAMOLED is a little out there but I'll take that over devices with the basic LCD screen that most devices are still harboring. I mean all in all it's not a huge difference between most devices but AMOLED and things like that... they just appeal more to me. The colors even though they can be almost cartoony are still visually enthralling. AMOLED is good, Super LCD would take second, from there I'd say amoled, oled, then LCD. Pixel density is hardly visible to the naked eye so as long as it's not just terrible it's all about the type of screen... this is all just my opinion though.
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I agree that it looks pretty nice... I personally prefer AMOLED over the alternatives Super LCD included. SAMOLED is a little out there but I'll take that over devices with the basic LCD screen that most devices are still harboring. I mean all in all it's not a huge difference between most devices but AMOLED and things like that... they just appeal more to me. The colors even though they can be almost cartoony are still visually enthralling. AMOLED is good, Super LCD would take second, from there I'd say amoled, oled, then LCD. Pixel density is hardly visible to the naked eye so as long as it's not just terrible it's all about the type of screen... this is all just my opinion though.
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OLED looks good now that I like look at youtube videos OLED is kinda nice, colors aren't that oversaturated and blacks are blacks
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I agree that it looks pretty nice... I personally prefer AMOLED over the alternatives Super LCD included. SAMOLED is a little out there but I'll take that over devices with the basic LCD screen that most devices are still harboring. I mean all in all it's not a huge difference between most devices but AMOLED and things like that... they just appeal more to me. The colors even though they can be almost cartoony are still visually enthralling. AMOLED is good, Super LCD would take second, from there I'd say amoled, oled, then LCD. Pixel density is hardly visible to the naked eye so as long as it's not just terrible it's all about the type of screen... this is all just my opinion though.
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I understand, you like more vibrant colors while I like more neutral not that vibrant or not washed out, we all have different taste so we can't say one is better than the other because its all base looks and on opinions. Just like some people like strawberries some don't lol
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I understand, you like more vibrant colors while I like more neutral not that vibrant or not washed out, we all have different taste so we can't say one is better than the other because its all base looks and on opinions. Just like some people like strawberries some don't lol
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Agreed, I think my distaste for the washed out colors is because a heavy portion of Windows Phone 7 is black and blacks are not too good on LCD screens as you mentioned earlier.
I like Super Amoled actually, nevertheless, I will wait for WP 7 phones from Nokia.
They will throw the Clear Black Displays in them, I reckon. And the clear black displays were proven to be the best in a GSM Arena review.
BTW, I don't like Nokia, but I always go for the best.
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Hello,
I've been reading these forums for ages and decided it was time to actually share some thoughts.
Since my HD2 broke a few weeks ago I am looking for a new phone. I wanted to buy a GSII or HTC Sensation but after hearing about HTC's One line I decided I could wait another month.
Now I am considering both the One S and the One X.
My thoughts about these phones:
I do not really care about the processor as long as the phone runs smooth, I expect them both to be fine at this point
The lack of a SD-card slot doesn't really bother me as well
A non-removable battery will be something I have to live with
Now the real differences to me are:
Size/form: The one S looks like a way better sized to me. I doubt I could like a phone beyond ~4.5". I also think the black ceramic looks really beautiful. The One X looks good as well, but the vulcano-shaped camera is just ugly to me.
Costs: the One S is a bit cheaper
Display: reading the reviews I think it's easy to conclude the One X is definitely way ahead of the One S
Now my question: Is the qHD Super Amoled Pentile display on the One S really that bad? Sure it might not look good when viewing at 15cm distance. But that won't be the way I will be using the phone. I read about the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus One having a PenTile Amoled screen as well. Though a lot of people complain about the Nexus One, I do not hear that much complains about the Galaxy Nexus' screen. Is this due to the higher resolution?
How would the One S' display look compared to, say, the HD2 800x480 WVGA display?
Can't wait to test them in real life!
Advantages of qHD Pentile SAMOLED:
- Excellent contrast
- True Black
- Colors that pop out of the screen
- In 4.3" is a decent PPI but not best, meaning it will sharp but it could be better (coming from HD2 you shouldn't notice that much difference unless you compare it side by side with a higher resolution screen)
- Longer battery life IF using a lot of black (which ICS uses, but webpages don't)
Disadvantages:
- Not so sharp text (because of Pentile Matrix and not so high resolution combined)
- "Dirty Whites", no matter how well calibrated is the screen white is one of the colors that usually suffer more with Pentile Amoled screens
- Shorter battery life IF surfing the web a lot or using applications with predominant white color
- Poor outdoor performance in shiny days compared with many LCD screens
I'm sure I'm missing some others, but that pretty much sum the pros and cons of SAMOLED screens with Pentile.
And you're right about Galaxy Nexus screen, the only advantage that alleviates the sharpness problem is the higher PPI, but even so the problems are there just less noticeable.
Compared to the HD2s 64K only colors screen I think you will be delighted with any of the newer screens, pentile or not.
I had an Amoled Desire and indeed the pentile layout is a little less sharp but it didn't bother me at all and I will be happily buying a One-S when it becomes available.
You should see what people say about the Droid Razor because that has a qhd samoled pentile screen. Check reviews and stuff, from what I read (very little) the screen isn't that great according to theverge and engadget, but go check it out at the Verizon store and you will have a good idea of how the screen will look. IMO its just a small "issue" because the rest of it is pretty bad ass.
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Yeah, I have a friend who has the RAZR and the screen is pretty shoddy. Its not so much the sharpness, but it has a really strong blue tint if you look at it even slightly tilted. Its not even a tint, white turns into blue. Not sure if that just came from a bad batch but if that's the screen that the One S will have I have to be a bit concerned.
My Vibrant has a slight blue tint as well but its not nearly as strong. If the One S has a screen closer to the Vibrant than the RAZR then it's perfectly fine.
Nice to read your opinions! It's always nice to see how people have totally different opinions about the same thing.
I, really like a sharper, higher resolution screen. I kinda get annoyed when text gets blurred. Yet if it is only really noticeable when taking a closer look I won't mind.. The colored white is something I am a bit worried about though. I quite like the more saturated colors.
I think we can conclude that I (we) will just have to wait to see the device in real life. As long as it does not bother me when watching from a little distance I guess I will take it! Apart from the screen the specs are great and it just looks very very nice..
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
The Screen seems to be that same like the one in the motorola razzr. I did have the razzr for a few days and i can tell that i didnt like it. Colors were not accurate and in some circumstanced it looked really really bad (red backgroud with text on it)
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I didn't think there was anything wrong with the AMOLED screen on the One S when I had a play with it on Friday just gone, and colours were noticeable brighter than the One X's SLCD2 screen (as you'd expect)
The weight and thinness of the One S was nice, though - didn't expect it to be so light/slim
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Thanks for the impressions.
I think that this may be a Motorola thing. I had a look at a Droid 3 yesterday and despite it being qHD, it was noticeably more pixelated than my Vibrant at WVGA. I barely notice the pixelation on my phone unless I really look for it. Does Samsung provide these screens? Maybe they're sabotaging their competitors?
doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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doesn't seem too bad even compared to the one x
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You'll never notice a difference between two small screens from a far distance, remember you use a phone very close to your face, and even then not everybody see things in the same way and some people claim not being able to notice the pentile pixelation (others like me see it).
For me the pentile SAMOLED is good if not the best... I have a Galaxy S and I found the screen to be pretty good(Was using LCD droid before).. Anyways gsmarena reported the pentile screen of the One S to be better than earlier pentile screens.They said HTC used some of its tech on the screen resulting in better pentile SAMOLED.. Btw am also planning to buy the One S .. Very disappointed by Samsung support.
Here is the article on the One S screen
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s_and_one_x_displays_detailed-news-3940.php
Yeah it's kinda weird how everyone is really positive about the One S' screen. It sounds like it has the same screen as the razzr, and a lot of people complain about Motorola's screen.
Anyway, maybe they improved the PenTile performances. We'll see soon enough!
I think Motorola just does a poor job calibrating their screens. I have no problem with the Pentile screen on the Vibrant. Its obviously no retina display but it's very sharp considering the screen size and resolution.
The only thing that sort of bugs me about the screen is how saturated everything is. Some people like that but I would prefer more natural tones. This is just personal preference though.
As an owner of AMOLED desire, i can say that its the best! It depends a lot on when and where you use your phone most. For me, thats in office and in my room at night.
Especially in a dark room, nothing can compare to the infinite contrast and excellent blacks of SAMOLED screens. Also very good for showing pictures to others, as they appear vibrant.
I guess my 2nd preference would be the IPS display from LG (like the one on Optimus 2X).
One VERY annoying aspect of SuperAMOLED is the burn in and wear.
I had an SGS before and the black statusbar got burned into the screen after 3-4 months of use.
It won't go away no matter what and it gets super annoying when holding the phone in landscape and watching video.
The wearing of the screen makes the colors less vibrant and not as bright.
I did love AMOLED before it burned in but after that I couldn't take it anymore so I got a sensation and passed my SGS down to my little sister.
I'm not sure that is normal.. though all screens can get some degree of burn in, it shouldn't be permanent.
Could be just a bad phone?
Both me and wife have amoled phones (me desire, her sgs) and don't notice any Burn in.
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It would be nice to know how the screen compares to say a SGS
I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I have a one s and my wife also, no issues with screen this is now my 9th HTC and clarity and colours are fine, you'd have to be very picky to complain that its not up to the job. This is one cracking phone, i'm sure i'll find some bugs but for now its great.
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I am thinking about both One X and One S, but screen is really important for me, because I had iPhone 4S for more than a month and can say, that I see so many pixels now So the question is, can you see pixels on One S screen? Is it sharp and clear?
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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By not being incredibly picky. The phone wasn't cheap, so before I signed a contract, I made sure I was happy with every aspect of the phone. While I do agree it's pixelated, and that my Sensation had slightly better quality, I am incredibly happy with the screen. I'm rarely centimeters away from the screen so I can live with it especially because the color reproduction is amazing.
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I think you just get used to it after a while. I couldn't stand the screen when I first got the phone, It stopped me using it regularly because I just used to get annoyed at the screen! (sad I know) But now I don't even think about the screen because I'm so used to it. I came from the Desire S which had a S-LCD display and a 480x800 display so that was a very good screen considering it was only 3.7 inches! I found the amoled colours of the one s to be extremely saturated. I didn't like the yellowish/blueish whites and the fact that every time you slightly changed the angle of the screen the colours would turn slightly blue. Text looked pixelated especially on a white background, that doesn't help considering a key part of sense 4 settings is all white background. It took me a good month to get used to the screen and 3 months in, I'm used to it Possibly getting the Nexus 4 soon so doubt I'll have much longer with this phone anyway.
Sorry for the little off topic might pickup a one s didn't want to start a new thread...
I saw the one s at my local fido store and damn its so snappy even whit sense !! But i tried the one x and it was somewhat slower is this normal ? Flicking through homescreens just werent the same..
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I did notice it some when I first got it, but I really don't anymore at all, and like was said above, I'm never close enough to my display to really notice it. I think the screen is incredible, as is every other aspect of the phone. I LOVE my One S.
I thought it would annoy me, but the phone was free so I decided to bite the bullet. I've had the phone 6 months now, and I really don't notice it at this point.
I love the one S display, sure the screen isn't as sharp as the GN, GS 3 and one X etc. and you don't get as much screen real estate but everything else is just as good, if not better:
- one of the best screens in sun light, don't even have to put my screen above 70% brightness in direct sun light in order to be able to make stuff out easily and this is on a darkish background too, MUCH better than the GN and GS 2 in this area
- colour reproduction is superb, my screen is pretty much perfect, whites are super white, brighter white than my dell u2311h, iirc a review site stated that the screen is better calibrated than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- no tinting at all on mine, usually with AMOLED screens you get a blue or yellow tint, which is noticeable at angles on whites but not on mine (this varies with every single screen though)
- of course blacks are black and the viewing angles are superb
- high contrast ratio etc. so games and videos look great
I only notice the pentile when looking at white text on black backgrounds and a few icons, but only when I really look for it and have my face pretty close to the screen. I find the one S screen to be sharper overall compared to the GS 2 screen.
I have had the one S beside the GS 2, GN and GS 3 and personally I didn't like the GS 2 screen at all, res. is too low so things are huge (felt like an old man using a phone designed for people with poor eye sight ), colours are far too saturated/warm. The GN screen is nice and sharp but the colours aren't saturated enough, rather dull over all and plus both phones are poor in comparison to the S for view ability in the sunshine. The GS 3 screen is great, better than the GN, however, I think the one S screen looks better for colours.
Anandtech more or less summed up my thoughts:
What’s different, however, is how well HTC has controlled the color temperature and gamma compared to Motorola in the RAZR. As shown in the HCFR galleries below, gamma is pretty close to 2.2 until you get to the high end, and color temperature is pretty close to 6500K, except at the two darkest grey points. This is so much better than any other OEM calibration of an AMOLED panel I’ve taken a look at, which is rather humorous because the panel is undoubtably Samsung’s. HTC is also letting the panel go pretty bright, up past 350 nits, instead of clamping it way down around 200 (I’m looking at you, Galaxy Nexus) to save power. I also haven’t noticed blacks not being totally off on the One S like I have with some others. Of course, colors are still massively oversaturated if your source color space is sRGB.
I’ve griped about PenTile RGBG before on this panel and other SAMOLED displays, but I find the One S to be completely enjoyable in spite of having it thanks to two things. First, how well HTC has controlled the panel (no awful hues, weird white points, or dramatic shifts as you change brightness) - this is basically the best I’ve seen this particular panel, and until SGS3, the best I’ve seen AMOLED in general. Second, because HTC doesn’t appear to be applying any processing that applies sharpening (like Samsung’s mDNIe) to text.
How you feel about PenTile really is the final factor: it’s there, but I’ve slowly become accustomed to it after staring at it for so long. If you go back to the Nexus S days, I was one of the most outspoken critics because of how large those subpixels were. With small enough subpixels (below visual acuity), PenTile starts to make sense. In other news, HTC moving back to Samsung AMOLED for phones is an interesting move after supply issues forced HTC to SLCD with some earlier phones, here on the HTC One S however, it looks great.
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My solution: Get old. You probably can't see all the minute issues you guys think matter, and you don't really care if you do. Every phone I've ever had has had a better screen than the previous and I think that's pretty nice.
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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Have to agree. Thing is apart from the screen it's a fantastic phone. It's so fast, battery life is great and the camera is great. I don't even think the screen would be that bad if it wasn't pentile it's just the fact that it's a pentile display it makes the phone look way more pixelated than it should be
I think I need to go to specsavers, I've never noticed a problem with the screen.
The screen on this is amazing. Don't notice any pixellation whilst on it . It's quite an improvement over my old Wildfires QVGA 3.5 inch 240x320 TFT display.
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If you switched from Wildfire you cant see this but if you had any phone in the alike pixel density and resolution you can see the difference. According to others opinion its not bad, the perfect color saturation, contrast etc will eliminate the bad feeling about those subpixels.
HTC does calibrate their screens nicely
I suppose it depends on what you're used to. When you come from an iPhone or high-end LCD-screen you probably will get annoyed with this display. However, when this is your first touchscreen smartphone or when you had a smartphone with a low-end display before this one, you will probably be able to cope with the slight pixilation.
Personally, even with this being my first touchscreen smartphone and coming from an E72 with a PPI of about 170, the display of this device would be the only reason for me to buy a One X or Nexus 4. That being said; you don't buy a smartphone solely for its display, you buy it for the complete package (price, battery, design, display, size, cpu/gpu, storage, support, OS, cloud integration etc.). And for me, the package the One S offers is more compelling than that of most other smartphones one the market.
I compared the One S screen to that of my Galaxy Nexus and honestly, when it comes to clarity, there isn't much of a difference. If you are in your twenties with near perfect eyesight and able to hold the phone less than a foot from your face then you will probably see pixelation but at normal distances it isn't an issue. For me it seems that anything above 250ppi is fine - my original Galaxy S was less (I think 233ppi) and that display was pixelated to me, but then again it was an earlier generation screen, I'm sure there have been other refinements besides resolution since then.
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
I come from an LG Optimus 2x, 4'' ips display, 800x480, and I feel this display better IMHO.
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One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
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I said Galaxy S, not S2.
Yes the S2 was/is superior despite the lower resolution thanks to the RGB arrangement (not pentile). The original Galaxy S was pentile, and not that great by today's standards.
It's okay, but I'm actually kind of unsatisfied with the blacks. I thought it would be completely black, but when I have a black picture shown on the phone in a completely dark room, the screen still lights up
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Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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And here some interesting related info provided (once again) by Barry:
BarryH_GEG said:
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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betoNL said:
Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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I only buy Samsung because of the AMOLED screens.
it's true there will eventually be some bluish pixel burn-in after you have used the phone for a good 3 or more years
and it doesn't seem to affect all AMOLED screens, but specific to the 5 color ones, the S-AMOLED seems unaffected by it.
I'm basing that from my old AMOLED i9000 and Nexus S vs. the S-AMOLED on the S2
As for color accuracy, I like the more vivid color provided by the AMOLED than the LCD / S-LCD
Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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even after learning what they do to the LCD displays?
you will probably have to run your own tests to see which phone has a correct LCD display, or waiting until some one has done a Gamut color level review on it before getting one.
at least with AMOLED you know what to expect.
I will not go into fight any about this, but after using both AMOLED and LCD, I simply don't find LCD 'interesting'.
But if we really want to go deep into technical analysis, you will find that a AMOLED display is considered to be the best display commercially available now. Check Samsung's new OLED TV KN55S9C reviews. Every reviews (including consumer reports) have mentioned that this has the best picture quality available right now.
I am going to be honest here and put my hands up and say I was not aware OLED screens are still affected by burn-in - but it makes sense.
I think I am going to cancel my pre-order of the Note 3, things like this really put me off - I love my nexus 4 screen and I think I may now wait out the Nexus 5 which will in all likelihood have IPS.
My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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betoNL said:
My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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Yeah, screens have come a long way since even my galaxy nexus, which I didn't like it always looked greenish to me. But I played with a note 2 and that screen is great, the gs4 is even better, screens are largely a personal preference but give me true black any day
Interesting find. Gonna have to look for something to replace all the JellyBean blues on the new phone to ensure longevity. Tbh I haven't noticed anything on my current 1.5 yr old amoled phone or the 3 yr old phone before that. But I have noticed how much I enjoy the color, over saturated or not. An Apple genius bar friend had severe screen envy when he saw the size and colors lol.
Only downside has been viewability in sunlight to where I have to drag brightness all the way up to get a decent picture.
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
The chick in the video seems to like making videos about this very same topic every now and then, not sure why she's obsessing over this topic.
Erica move on, is this the only topic you could throw out there to actually sound like you're smart?
Who gives a hoot about the difference it's all a matter of preference and now let's move on to something else.
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Regardless of what the sales and marketing terms are, the simple fact is all current and future Samsung devices have made the switch to "Super AMOLED" based panels so do not concern yourself with any BLED burn-in. This so-called issue was addressed several generations ago when AMOLED was still under testing and Samsung is among the best when it comes to yield/performance.
With that said, both the Samsung and T-Mobile sites show the final NS3 specs, which includes the use of their "Super AMOLED Display".
All is good and here in San Diego, CA, both T-Mobile and Verizon retail stores are sticking with October 1st and 2nd (respectively) as the official release.
Scott
References:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/samsung-mobile-unpacked-event-2013/
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html
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Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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Gonna add this info tomorrow to the first post....
Nighty night
Transparent notification bars ftw
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
Well gn3 might be my first samoled device, but in all honesty I don't really give a damn since in about a year or max 2 I'll get a new device anyways. Disposable
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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Who said saturation is bad? And when did wide colour gamut become a bad thing? Even with a wider gamut, AMOLED still can't cover full range of visible colour space. Even if someone pushes to Adobe RGB or NTSC colour space, I think its good.
AMOLED covers more green-yellow-cyan range. Remember that the eye is more sensitive to yellowish-green light than other colors. G2 is over-saturating the colours, but it can't show additional colours like AMOLED as it's inherently restricted to show just near sRGB space. Why restrict ourself to sRGB when it was designed for CRT monitors?? But the fact remains that AMOLED can show more colours compared to LCD. And that's a good thing.
Reviews have proved that the best available display right now is OLED display. Samsung's OLED TV KN55S9C is considered to have the best picture quality. Saying AMOLED is bad is pure non-sense.
A very irritating woman - Take with a pinch of salt
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.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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LOL...There is no High-end device with better battery performance than the GNote2...Totally energy efficient and the screen is gorgeous....
Maybe the GNote3 will have better battery performance, but that remains to be seen ...
And I hope you really did understand the new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels thing, mentioned just a couple of posts before yours....
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Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.
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Here's my opinion. I could give a crap whether a device I want to purchase has AMOLED or LCD. All I want is a good high quality display. There are crappy LCD displays (there are tons of posts in the One and Z1 forums about display issues) and crappy AMOLED displays. Truthfully, on a 4.7-6" canvas the amount of energy devoted to examining nuances in displays is comical. AMOLED has far superior contrast, bolder colors, better reflectance, better viewing angles and uses less energy on dark colors. LCD produces truer colors (depending on OEM calibration choices), is brighter, and uses less energy on light colors. The hardest part of going from AMOLED to LCD for me is the drop in contrast and greyish blacks which are unavoidable. If the N3 had a high quality LCD display I'd be totally fine with it. More important than the display is what it's attached to and I happen to be happy with Samsung's products. I'm not buying a display; I'm buying the high-end mobile device it's a component of. And the displays in Sony and HTC's phones are all made by Sharp-Renasys or JDI anyway.
And as you ridicule AMOLED, ask yourself why Motorola (Google) used it in the Moto X which is the most important phone they've ever released.
Like LCD? Bully, buy a LCD-equipped phone. Like AMOLED, buy a phone that has it. If you're happy I'm happy for you.