[Q] motorola defy help needed - Defy Android Development

hi i am having really bad problems with my defy it is a great phone but when i got it it was on eclair 2.1, i wanted to update it so looked around and found a debranding kit that updates it to 2.2 only to find out that its not a officiall rom an now i cannot down grade iit back to 2.1 so i can root it an put a custom rom onto it i dont have the hold volume down option or tap bottom right of the screen, so any help would be very gratefull as just want to sort it out i have searched through xda an some links are not avail any more so i cant follow any guides proplerly i have found a proper nand back up if thats any good then let me know i just want to restore it first then go from there, thanks in advance
i also cannot do a factory reset either, i know there is someone out there that can help me so please come and help me restore my defy to life.

There is a volume key on the right side of your defy. Upper one is volume up and the lower one is volume down. Switch on your phone by pressing power button and volume down key together to enter recovery mode or power button and volume up key together to enter bootloader mode.
Download the official 2.2 for your phone, I beleive defy has 2.2 all over the world now, find the correct version for your Defy and download.
When you enter the recovery mode and see an Android with the exclamation mark, press both the volume keys together to enter recovery mode.
First do a facfory reset and clear cache in Recovery mode, then reboot and keep the volume up and power key pressed together. This will take you to bootloader mode, connect your phone via usb to your computer. Open rsdlite, see that your phone is detected. Browse to the 2.2 rom you downloaded and press "start".

^ this guy also forgot to mention, make sure you have the correct drivers for the defy and the correct version of rsdlite, also, make sure your battery is 50% or higher. The last thing you,would want to do is have to perform the mcguyver trick.................
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get the latest drivers and RSD lite, and make sure your sbf is a full sbf, and not a fixed sbf. full sbf is at least 160MB and above. i understand this is for blurless. for blur rom, could be up to 360MB

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Motorola Milestone busted part way through 2.1 update?

Hi.....
I've just attempted to do the update via the moto tools update manager program and during installation my phone shown 'critical error' followed by 'coff' & 'CABE' on screen... the installation then failed and advised me to try again... Have tried three times now, does anyone have any ideas?
I'm back at work now and have left the phone at home so I cant supply many details right now..
I've been advised to try a master reset which I will try as soon as i'm home.
When I attempt to turn the phone on, it shows the boot loader menu and says 'something Failure'
Any help is much appreciated!
Well, you might try finding a 2.1 Milestone .sbf for your device and flash it with RSD Lite. Can you even boot into the recovery?
Hold camera button and power on. When you see the triangle screen hold volume up and then tap camera. (Just in case you didn't know)
Hey,
The device wont even boot into recovery mode so I don't think that idea would work
I would still try with RSD Lite. I had a problem similar to what you have, but luckily RSD Lite would still see phone and let me flash a .sbf of the Telus 2.1 I had.
When I plug the device into my machine though, it just flashes with low battery ect... its been on charge all night.
Broken said:
Well, you might try finding a 2.1 Milestone .sbf for your device and flash it with RSD Lite. Can you even boot into the recovery?
Hold camera button and power on. When you see the triangle screen hold volume up and then tap camera. (Just in case you didn't know)
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I thought it was "D-Pad Up" to get to the Boot loader screen? From there, RSD should see it no prob. Then, you can either push a recovery image, or the fill 2.1 swf
Volume up works for me. D-pad also probably does the same...
Broken said:
Volume up works for me. D-pad also probably does the same...
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as long as you can get into flash mode you should be ok,flash the sbf file like Broken said. Im not sure how to get into flash mode on the Milestone,but on the Cliq its the Menu Button+the Power Button. Do a google search for how to get into flash mode or maybe someone here will be able to tell you,the more difficult part is finding the original .SBF file for the Milestone. You have to use RSD Lite 4.5.7 or higher,dont use the Flash&BackUp program. once you get into flash mode RSD Lite should see your phone,and you shouldnt have any problems from there.
f he is lucky, just booting up to the error will allow RSD Lite to see the phone and allow flashing. As for the right .sbf should be easy. I can probably find it for him and point him to it if I new the locale of the phone, ie where it originated: Thai, Canada UK, Brazil, etc.

I need the 2.2.1 update!!!

My phone never updated to the 2.2.1 I am still stuck on the 2.2. I called t mobile, but they didn't do much to help. Anyone know how to help?
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Did you try *#*#checkin#*#* ?
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joeman55 said:
My phone never updated to the 2.2.1 I am still stuck on the 2.2. I called t mobile, but they didn't do much to help. Anyone know how to help?
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Method 1 - Update.zip
http://www.filedropper.com/update2
1. Put the file on the root of your sdcard and rename it to update.zip.
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Remove the battery.
4. Reinstall the battery.
5. Hold volume down + power until you get to a white screen.
6. Use the volume rocker to highlight FASTBOOT and press power to select.
7. Use the volume rocker highlight RECOVERY and press power to select. If you see an exclamation point instead of the blue menu, you might have to press volume up or down to get into the blue recovery menu.
8. Use the volume rocker to highlight and press power to select APPLY SDCARD UPDATE.ZIP.
9. DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL IT'S DONE AND REBOOTS ON ITS OWN.
10. You should now be in 2.2.1 with all of your data preserved.
Method 2 - pd15img.zip
This procedure will completely erase ALL of your data but it is guaranteed to work.
http://www.filedropper.com/pd15imgglaciertmous1175312radio1228b60140e26030226mrelease155771signed
1. Put the file on the root of your sdcard and rename it to pd15img.zip.
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Remove the battery.
4. Reinstall the battery.
5. Hold volume down + power until you get to a white screen.
6. Let the phone "detect" the update. You might have to use the volume rocker to highlight the option and press the power button to select.
7. When the phone is ready, use the volume rocker to highlight and power button to select BEGIN UPDATE.
8. DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL IT'S DONE AND REBOOTS ON ITS OWN. THIS MIGHT TAKE A WHILE.
9. You will now be on a clean install of Android 2.2.1. Enjoy.
Thank you Phateless!
I've just bricked my phone this afternoon, and been looking for some noob way for recovering it.
It is all because I rooted this phone and might delete some critical apks that caused my phone lost its desktop/main screen.
Doesn't PD15img kill WiFi?
If you read the How To Root. . . thread carefully you will see that PD15img is only partially 2.2.1 and more has to be added to get a full install of 2.2.1 with working WiFi.
After waiting more than a week for an automatic update after I got my phone, I tried the PD15img thing without reading all of the posts and only too late discovered that my WiFi didn't work and a lot more had to be done to get it back. And it appears that PD15img can't be undone. I had decided to take the phone back for an exchange but. . .
That very night TMo did an automatic update from my incomplete 2.2.1 to real 2.2.1, which fixed the problem.
I didn't get the phone from TMo directly and I never gave them my IMEI. I wonder if the automatic update was just luck or PD15img had something to do with it.
Thank you.. My phone hasn't been rooted yet, but I'll give that a try. I hope it's a full update.. That'd suck if my wifi didn't work...
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raphael888 said:
Thank you Phateless!
I've just bricked my phone this afternoon, and been looking for some noob way for recovering it.
It is all because I rooted this phone and might delete some critical apks that caused my phone lost its desktop/main screen.
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Glad I could help!
ecdy said:
If you read the How To Root. . . thread carefully you will see that PD15img is only partially 2.2.1 and more has to be added to get a full install of 2.2.1 with working WiFi.
After waiting more than a week for an automatic update after I got my phone, I tried the PD15img thing without reading all of the posts and only too late discovered that my WiFi didn't work and a lot more had to be done to get it back. And it appears that PD15img can't be undone. I had decided to take the phone back for an exchange but. . .
That very night TMo did an automatic update from my incomplete 2.2.1 to real 2.2.1, which fixed the problem.
I didn't get the phone from TMo directly and I never gave them my IMEI. I wonder if the automatic update was just luck or PD15img had something to do with it.
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You're thinking of the OLD pd15img.zip that was part of the procedure to undo the OTA update. The one I linked to is the NEW one posted by Football that completely restores to 2.2.1 without issue. NEW radio, NEW SPL, NEW software.
I tested it on two different phones and everything worked perfectly.
You were thinking of this method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832642
I posted the file from this one. Ignore the part about gfree.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863899
raphael888 said:
Thank you Phateless!
I've just bricked my phone this afternoon, and been looking for some noob way for recovering it.
It is all because I rooted this phone and might delete some critical apks that caused my phone lost its desktop/main screen.
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If all you did was delete the wrong APK and it can be restored by flashing a stock image, it certainly is not bricked by any means.
TeeJay3800 said:
If all you did was delete the wrong APK and it can be restored by flashing a stock image, it certainly is not bricked by any means.
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People definitely use that term way too loosely on xda... lol
NRGZ28 said:
People definitely use that term way too loosely on xda... lol
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Most people don't know what brick even is they do something wrong and think they bricked it lol I remember in HD2 forum someone did BINFS format and didn't flash rom manually thought he bricked it cause he had no rom installed and only stuck on bootloader. So told him to just flash using LeoCustomRRU as he could do task29 and flash.
BTW NRGZ28 thanks for cooking NRG roms bro loved your 6.5.X work specially the whole 29XXX base as it was most stable and fast to bad HD2 is stolen.
ForceUpdate
I would check out these instructions
----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843428
Hmmmm, NRG creeping around in a android thread....
Phateless said:
Method 1 - Update.zip
http://db.tt/oDkWb2k
1. Put the file on the root of your sdcard and rename it to update.zip.
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Remove the battery.
4. Reinstall the battery.
5. Hold volume down + power until you get to a white screen.
6. Use the volume rocker to highlight FASTBOOT and press power to select.
7. Use the volume rocker highlight RECOVERY and press power to select. If you see an exclamation point instead of the blue menu, you might have to press volume up or down to get into the blue recovery menu.
8. Use the volume rocker to highlight and press power to select APPLY SDCARD UPDATE.ZIP.
9. DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL IT'S DONE AND REBOOTS ON ITS OWN.
10. You should now be in 2.2.1 with all of your data preserved.
Method 2 - pd15img.zip
This procedure will completely erase ALL of your data but it is guaranteed to work.
http://db.tt/peYZBi5
1. Put the file on the root of your sdcard and rename it to pd15img.zip.
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Remove the battery.
4. Reinstall the battery.
5. Hold volume down + power until you get to a white screen.
6. Let the phone "detect" the update. You might have to use the volume rocker to highlight the option and press the power button to select.
7. When the phone is ready, use the volume rocker to highlight and power button to select BEGIN UPDATE.
8. DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL IT'S DONE AND REBOOTS ON ITS OWN. THIS MIGHT TAKE A WHILE.
9. You will now be on a clean install of Android 2.2.1. Enjoy.
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I followed the guide you gave me since i was using an obsolete one and it worked perfectly. My phone says its on 2.2.1 but it doesnt feel like i am.... i remember after my update the market app was completely different, it has this half circle kind of look to it where it featured some popular apps. this version of 2.2.1 doesnt have that. is there any specific reason for that or am i missing something?
thanks again for your help!
The market update itself was a separate update "just to the market app" than 2.2.1. I had to force 2.2.1 on my phone early on; market came later. You should be able to find it in the apps/themes section, or just give it time and it should update itself.
Great post but I really need help.
I guess my phone is from some other batch or ... who know these chinese these days.
Anyways my menu is just different from described.
as folllows:
HBOOT screen
FASTBOOT (gets me to FASTBOOT screen)
RECOVERY (just give triangle makeing out with exclamation point)
FACTORY RESET
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
FASTBOOT sreen
BOOTLOADER (gets me back to HBOOT screen)
REBOOT
REBOOT BOOTLOADER
POWER DOWN
Don't really want to go with pd15img.zip route to preserve data. (So far)
Thanks
btw - I'm on Simple Mobile so no OTA for me
kb-evo said:
Great post but I really need help.
I guess my phone is from some other batch or ... who know these chinese these days.
Anyways my menu is just different from described.
as folllows:
HBOOT screen
FASTBOOT (gets me to FASTBOOT screen)
RECOVERY (just give triangle makeing out with exclamation point)
FACTORY RESET
SIMLOCK
IMAGE CRC
FASTBOOT sreen
BOOTLOADER (gets me back to HBOOT screen)
REBOOT
REBOOT BOOTLOADER
POWER DOWN
Don't really want to go with pd15img.zip route to preserve data. (So far)
Thanks
btw - I'm on Simple Mobile so no OTA for me
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I don't quite understand your issue here? Is it that you get stuck at the recovery screen with a triangle? Did you read step 7 of the previous posts clearly?
7. Use the volume rocker highlight RECOVERY and press power to select. If you see an exclamation point instead of the blue menu, you might have to press volume up or down to get into the blue recovery menu.
Ok, maybe this time it will post.
Thanks for your answer Genocaust
I'm noob so I'm trying everything that comes to my mind several times before bugging good people.
Somehow my menus seems to be different than expected. Anyways, right after hboot my first screen has following options:
* FASTBOOT
* RECOVERY
* FACTORY RESET
* SIMLOCK
* IMAGE CRC
Clicking on recovery gets me triangle/exclamation screen after several tries i managed to get blue menu by pressing VolumeUP and POWER simultaneously (just up or down does nothing at all).
there is apply update.zip but when clicked returns yellow message:
E:Can't open /cache/recovery/command
Invalid operation
and goes black and not responsive.
After waiting for say 20 min decided to pull battery. (phone works, still 2.2)
Tried above few times. Downloaded update file yet another time, even changed file name using file manager on the phone (i know).
I will appreciate any suggestions. I guess next step is pd15img.zip which I wanted to avoid or stay on 2.2
Phone is few days old and all stock
Thanks again

[Q] Help for my Huawei Ideos U8150

Hi all,
I was trying to install a new Rom Dronix 0.4. Upon entering the bootloader I accidentaly somehow no idea how,deleted clockwork mod recovery that was on there and now just can't get into bootloader mode or even get my phone to start up past the 1st screen.I've tried volume up +green button and power button to try to get in,volume down + end call red button and power button no go.The only thing it goes into is if I hold the volume down button + call green button and power which takes me to the firmware update but just flashes and says unpack failed.The other thing is that if press the red and green buttons for calls and the power button it brings the screen to a purplish colour but does nothing as well.I've tried to get the computer to recognize the phone but it won't even after installing the usb drivers with windows xp and windows 7.Atm there is no ROM on the phone after deleting it,cache and dalvik cache. It's just empty with not even a bootloader to try and boot into, only hardware is available now.
I'm at a loss as to what and any help if trying to get it back and running would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Paul
Flash UltraJack recovery from the PC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908178
hello, i think you kinda deleted the boot!!
try following instructions on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011527
ITS SAYS UPDATE FAILS CUASE YOU DONT HAVE THE FIRMWARE on YOUR SD CARD>>>DO YOU???? JUST GO TO THEAD AND FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AND LET ME KNW!
YOU SIR ARE A CHAMPION!!!!!!!! If ever you are in Sydney, Australia I'll be treating you a few beers if you do drink heh.
Again THANK YOU!!!!

[Q] SBF Flash failed!

Hey Guys
i need your help
I tryed to flash a SbF on my phone, but at 100% my phone did an reboot an now it loops at the Bootlogo.
I can´t access the bootloader again
what should i do now?
ps: sorry for my bad english
Hi mate, can you give us a bit more details.
What was the sbf file you flashed? What was the name and version? Also make sure you got the correct file for droid global 2 and not for droid 2
Normal if fails, its best getting the old sbf file (303) and starting again.
i used the 2.2.2 Service Version (DE,ATCH)
and-developers[dot]com/sbf:milestone2
The Problem is can´t access to my bootloader or to the Clockworkrecovery
no idea what i can do???
please!!!
or do you know what would happen, if i would use my Guarantee?
you cant use your warranty if you've played with.
If you are very sure you are using a droid 2 global and you've flashed a milestone 2 sbf file then this is your problem, these phones are not the same build and you cant use the roms and sbf files, you will need to file sbf file for droid 2 global, follow this link and download the rar file (http://modmymobile.com/forums/649-m...re-vrz_a956_2-4-33_1ff_01-droid-2-golbal.html), flash this file (using rdslite 4.9) and then if you want to use a new rom you can, if you want to flash a ginger bread rom (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...veryone-4-5-606-rooted-unrooted-versions.html)
, then follow this guide first (i did) and all works fine, im now using the venus rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259807) after i did the gingerbread up date. If you need anymore help, either pm me and post another reply.
kurpter said:
you cant use your warranty if you've played with.
If you are very sure you are using a droid 2 global and you've flashed a milestone 2 sbf file then this is your problem, these phones are not the same build and you cant use the roms and sbf files, you will need to file sbf file for droid 2 global, follow this link and download the rar file (http://modmymobile.com/forums/649-m...re-vrz_a956_2-4-33_1ff_01-droid-2-golbal.html), flash this file (using rdslite 4.9) and then if you want to use a new rom you can, if you want to flash a ginger bread rom (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...veryone-4-5-606-rooted-unrooted-versions.html)
, then follow this guide first (i did) and all works fine, im now using the venus rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259807) after i did the gingerbread up date. If you need anymore help, either pm me and post another reply.
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thank you for your answer
My Problem is that rdslite or adb devices can´t see my phone, because i stuck in the bootlogo screen.
I can not enter my bootloader or clockwork recovery.
hi mate,
to put your phone in boot loader mode.
turn off the phone, press and hold the up and down volume buttons together (make sure you are pressing and holding them down together keep them hold down and dont let go) press the power button while still holding the volume buttons and wait till bootloader comes and then let go
you are in bootloader mode
now Launch RSDLite
Select SBF
Start
oh thanks this button combination works!
Is it normal that rsdlite runs for 1 hour?
Once it gets to 100% , pull it out and restart the phone (it should reboot it normally but I find it doesn't always do it) so either unplug and let it reboot or pull the battery out and reboot, fingers crossed it will boot in to stock and then you can upgrade from there.
Did you get it working mate?
nope dude
i tryed many different SBF files, but not a single one worked?!
Is there an alternative?
Is there an option to get from my bootloader to my recoverymode?
because i want to try adb recovery?
thanks for your help bro!
Ok, here's 2 things you can try, the 2nd option will work though.
To put your phone in recovery mode = turn off the phone, press and hold the 'x' and keep it hold in and then press the power button and keep them hold down untill you see the yellow '!' And then let go of them and press up and down volume buttons together together, now your in recovery mode.
If you can't get any thing to load, do this one, but this will put you on stock gingerbread.
Take your sd card out of the phone and download the Full Stock Version (Signed) file from here = http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...veryone-4-5-606-rooted-unrooted-versions.html
Make sure you download the signed version.
Then copy the update.zip file and place on root of sdcard. (Rename anyother file called update.zip before this or back it up)
reboot phone into recovery (X + power key, like we did before)
Then select install update.zip this will install, will take about 10mins to install but then another 15mins on first boot.
Let me know how you get on
kurpter said:
Ok, here's 2 things you can try, the 2nd option will work though.
To put your phone in recovery mode = turn off the phone, press and hold the 'x' and keep it hold in and then press the power button and keep them hold down untill you see the yellow '!' And then let go of them and press up and down volume buttons together together, now your in recovery mode....
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I see the yellow "!" but i can´t enter the recovery mode
Ah ok, Your Phone reflashed the Stock Recovery back onto your Phone! (so sorry, you dont have clockmod on anymore, so your going to have to use option 2, but to get in to the stock recovery after the yellow '!' you must hold the Volume "UP" key and hit "camera to access the ORIGINAL recovery options
YEAH this works!
thank you very much
no problem mate, im here top help.
once you've got yourself on to stock 2.3, you can install z4root and Droid 2 Recovery Bootstrap v1.0.0.3, (you can get thiese 2 things from here = http://www.mediafire.com/?t7k4nu87lpuho
these 2 will root your phone again and allow you to go in to recover mode again, make sure you install clockwork again and then you can install new roms on your phone, i recommend this rom if you dont want a motorola rom (non blur version)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259807
kurpter said:
Ah ok, Your Phone reflashed the Stock Recovery back onto your Phone! (so sorry, you dont have clockmod on anymore, so your going to have to use option 2, but to get in to the stock recovery after the yellow '!' you must hold the Volume "UP" key and hit "camera to access the ORIGINAL recovery options
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I had the same problem and tried the same thing but when I get to the yellow "!", and press VOL up and the camera button nothing happens
Having problems was trying to re vert back to stock SBF failed now bootloader says code corrupt battery low cannot program. Can I just plug it in the charger for a bit then try again?
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Did you try the other way? "To put your phone in recovery mode = turn off the phone, press and hold the 'x' and keep it hold in and then press the power button and keep them hold down untill you see the yellow '!' And then let go of them and press up and down volume buttons together together, now your in recovery mode."
kurpter said:
Did you try the other way? "To put your phone in recovery mode = turn off the phone, press and hold the 'x' and keep it hold in and then press the power button and keep them hold down untill you see the yellow '!' And then let go of them and press up and down volume buttons together together, now your in recovery mode."
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Yes I tried that it is stuck in boot-loader mode & it wont charge at all.

[Q] xoom not powering on

Hi
After being on numerous custom Roms for the xoom I decided to return to stock and was succesful in return to the 3.01 stock image for the wifi MZ604 model
I was also successful in relocking the xoom.
I then began to receive the offical updates though everytime the were applied I had to go into recovery and wipe the device as otherwise it would bootloop on the dual core screen.
On the last update that it received and that was installed , on rebooting nothing happend and the screen just went blank
No combination of volume up + power would show any sign of doing anything.
After leaving the tablet to the side for awhile I noticed it came up with the following
model mz604 : Revision0 (0x8000) modem none
InitBl Info function failed with codes 299/3
failed to boot 0x0001
starting RSD mode 3
one wire : charger is not connected or battery is not being charged
battery charge level : 56%
I tried fastbooting and adb at this point but no devices are found. However when plugging in the xoom my laptop recognises something is attached.
After some searching I found out about RSd lite and SBF files.
When opening rsdlite v5.6 (running as admin) the tablet is recognised and I have now attempted to use two sbf files
HUBWF_W5.H.6.4-20_SIGNED_UCAHUBLWFRTCOREEU_P010_A010_M004_HWwifi_hubble_AP1FF.sb f
and
HUBWF_W5.H.6.2-24_SIGNED_UCAHUBLWFRTCOREEU_P006_A006_M003_HWwifi_hubble_Service1 FF.sbf
however both fail when it attempts re numeration.
I would greatly appreciate any help that anyone could give on this
Thanks
Try this.
My mom's Xoom had a similar problem. Reboot the tablet by pressing Volume Up and Power.
Then quickly turn on the xoom and press the down button as fast as possible, and continue pressing until you see "Recovery Mode" (or something similar) on the top left of the screen.
Once you see that, press the volume up button. Quickly, when you see the Android guy with the exclamation mark tap the power button and the up button.
This will take you to recovery mode. In there use the up and down volume keys to navigate and the power button to confirm things.
Go down to restore/delete data (may vary) and press power. use the volume down key to scroll to Yes.
This will restore your tablet back to factory settings. If you're trying to backup your data, don't try... No such luck and you won't be able to without the tablet booted.
thanks for the reply but this didnt work. Tried quite a few times. The screen just goes blank and again after a long while the error shown in the op appears. Should add there is no Motorola logo showing.
I have also tried forcing fastboot by the instructions found in other similar threads but again this does not work.
I think my best bet is the SBF files , but need to understand why this is failing on re-numeration

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