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[Q] MSM8260 vs the GS2 SoC

With the Sensation being rooted and having custom kernels made, can there be a clearer comparison made between the two SoCs as too which one is more powerful than the other?

Yes, it should, since we have only been able to test the Sensation under stock Sense for the most part. It seems that Sense is not optimized for speed.

Rooted and/or overclocked SGS2's can be anywhere from 15-30% faster than stock. Make sure you're comparing rooted Sensation's to rooted SGS2's. Comparing a rooted Sensation to a stock SGS2 isn't apples to apples.

BarryH_GEG said:
Rooted and/or overclocked SGS2's can be anywhere from 15-30% faster than stock. Make sure you're comparing rooted Sensation's to rooted SGS2's. Comparing a rooted Sensation to a stock SGS2 isn't apples to apples.
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Of course. If anyone has any benchmarks etc between the two rooted phones do show

Root doesn't make a phone faster. It's the tweaked roms and kernels that do. I"d say we'd need at least a few more weeks before we see huge performance gains. We may not even see anything until dual core qualcomm cpu's are fully supported in android.

Paging Dr B said:
Root doesn't make a phone faster. It's the tweaked roms and kernels that do. I"d say we'd need at least a few more weeks before we see huge performance gains. We may not even see anything until dual core qualcomm cpu's are fully supported in android.
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I never knew they were not fully supported in android? In what ways are they not?

Joshhedge said:
I never knew they were not fully supported in android? In what ways are they not?
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Apparently our soc is a asynchronous core meaning it isn't using both cores to implement one task like the GS2. That's supposed to be supported in a later build. That's just from what I've read. I have no solid proof of what I just said.

So if anything, its the benchmarking softwares fault for not being able to fully utilise two asynchronous cores, which should be a lot more efficient than the synchronous cores. Thus in one way or another already our SoC is ‘better’,

benchmarks isn't everything,my dhd can run 3900＋ indeed
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Want to switch from WP7

Hi. I am thinking of switching to android from WP7. If I do I want the Infuse. I am a total noob to android. The main reason I want to switch is due to lack of customization for WP7. I want an os and phone that is totally open for customization.
Help convince me by telling me the pros of the system and ease of rooting and customization.
Thanks
Is the Galaxy s2 worth waiting on?

TOA Duck said:
Hi. I am thinking of switching to android from WP7. If I do I want the Infuse. I am a total noob to android. The main reason I want to switch is due to lack of customization for WP7. I want an os and phone that is totally open for customization.
Help convince me by telling me the pros of the system and ease of rooting and customization.
Thanks
Is the Galaxy s2 worth waiting on?
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The pros: Samsung delivers kernel source prior to device releases unlike many vendors. Samsung also does not perform any bootloader locking (except for possibly locking out flashing other bootloaders over the current ones) - this means it'll happily try to run any kernel/ROM you throw at it. Whether that kernel/ROM actually works is another story.
Unfortunately the nature of the Apache license used for the Android userland stack is that the source code for the "userland" portion of firmware is not available. As a result, doing a bringup of the vanilla AOSP source or Cyanogenmod takes some time/effort/patience. We've made a lot of progress on a Cyanogenmod 7.1 port - it's the daily driver for a lot of the devs that are willing to accept some missing features (like Bluetooth). As time goes by, CM7 will mature and this allows for a LOT more customization than the already fairly high degree available by "cooking" Android ROMs.
As to waiting for the GS2 - You don't need to wait, the international version works on AT&T's bands. If you mean the subsidized AT&T specific variant - it'll probably lag the current GS2 by a few months in terms of AOSP/Cyanogenmod bringups.

does the sigle core processor hurt the device as opposed to having the dual core, like the gs2 will have?

TOA Duck said:
does the sigle core processor hurt the device as opposed to having the dual core, like the gs2 will have?
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For most normal things, a single core is fine. Obviously, nobody would buy the phone if it was a slow piece of crap.
But two cores is always better than one.

TOA Duck said:
does the sigle core processor hurt the device as opposed to having the dual core, like the gs2 will have?
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Not really, few things take advantage of the second core of dual-core devices.
And the Atrix proved that well-written software and an unlocked bootloader on a single-core phone smokes ****ty software with a locked bootloader on a dual-core phone. There are a lot of former Atrix users here that ditched it because, despite being dual-core and having great hardware specs on paper, it was a slow laggy piece of junk.
Admittedly, Samsung's default filesystem (RFS) makes many of their phones slow laggy pieces of junk, but fixing that is REALLY easy (and usually the first thing ROM/kernel devs ever do with a new Samsung device.)

DHD GPU overclocked Development

So guys,I was checking the Sensation forums the other day and I saw that they managed to overclock their GPU,something that has been dubbed impossible on the Desire HD.Knowing Qualcomm,however,newer chips are just better than previous one,not different in the way they work.So,my idea is,maybe someone should be contacting these guys in case we can overclock the Adreno 205 as well.That'd give the DHD a much-needed boost.What do you guys think?
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babijoee edit: Updated title
tolis626 edit: No problem.
Anyway,since this thread got the attention it deserved,I have to say a big thank you to shaky153 for all the work he's done,daedric for the pointing to the right direction and to everyone who simply supported the idea.This is XDA!

Welcome to the desire hd gpu development thread
I can get all technical here about the gpu but i think its best i don't
Ive achieved setting the 2dclock at 245mhz on boot but somehow during boot, it kicks back to its 192mhz
This thread will get updated frequently with any news on achieving gpu overclocking

I would love it, but i'm not sure if it's possible. Correct me if i'm wrong

BazookaAce said:
I would love it, but i'm not sure if it's possible. Correct me if i'm wrong
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Well,I do remember much work being done on the original Desire and the Nexus One but to no avail.However the Adreno 200 was a right nasty piece of crap.I once "discussed" this with LeeDroid and he told me that it was not possible,but I think he had based his answer on the fact that work on the original Desire led to nothing.But if a dev actually looks into it and asks the guys at the Sensation forums,we might be next to something pretty cool.

So no one's interested?I'm surprised.Negatively.

Uh... can you provide a link to a thread/tut on how to OC the GPU of the sensation?
With the qualcomm cpus/gpus when you OC the CPU you are also OCing the GPU...

I'm very interested but rarely check the general section. A link would be helpful

Maedhros said:
Uh... can you provide a link to a thread/tut on how to OC the GPU of the sensation?
With the qualcomm cpus/gpus when you OC the CPU you are also OCing the GPU...
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babijoee said:
I'm very interested but rarely check the general section. A link would be helpful
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Thank god!I thought my fellow ol' Desire HD pals weren't mad anymore now that I left!
So,I can't give you a link that shows how to do it,but here is BrickedKernel's thread,which has the GPU overclocked.If you'd ask show-p1984 how it's done,I don't think he wouldn't tell you.

tolis626 said:
That'd give the DHD a much-needed boost.
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Much-needed for what?

clouds5 said:
Much-needed for what?
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lol i second that
much needed for what? the newest 3D games run liquid smooth on the DHD
but maybe it will speed up the GPU accelerated sense 3.0 UI

Well atm it can run most games pretty decent but knowing that there's room for improvement we addicts just need that fix XD

Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.

babijoee said:
Well atm it can run most games pretty decent but knowing that there's room for improvement we addicts just need that fix XD
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Yep,that's the spirit.If we just accepted everything that worked,we-XDA-wouldn't have been here in the first place.It won't hurt to try now,will it?
Plus,decent has a long way to go to become awesome.
lambomanx1 said:
Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.
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Lemme get this straight,you base that information where exactly?Because for the most part I see manufacturer overclocked GPU's and GPU's with manufacturer unlocked clocks,and full PC GPU's are much better examples than mobile,embeded chips.
Another one.On my Galaxy S 2 I used Tegrak Overclock and overclocked my GPU at 400MHz,all the way from 267MHz.Hell,I even raised the minimum clock to 200MHz instead of 160MHz.Performance?You have no idea.Absolutely amazing.Plus,I saw absolutely no increase in battery drain(Not that there isn't,but it's so slight that other parts,like the screen,drain the battery MUCH faster).
So,unless you have some actual references,don't say bullsh!t.Thank you.

tolis626 said:
Lemme get this straight,you base that information where exactly?Because for the most part I see manufacturer overclocked GPU's and GPU's with manufacturer unlocked clocks,and full PC GPU's are much better examples than mobile,embeded chips.
Another one.On my Galaxy S 2 I used Tegrak Overclock and overclocked my GPU at 400MHz,all the way from 267MHz.Hell,I even raised the minimum clock to 200MHz instead of 160MHz.Performance?You have no idea.Absolutely amazing.Plus,I saw absolutely no increase in battery drain(Not that there isn't,but it's so slight that other parts,like the screen,drain the battery MUCH faster).
So,unless you have some actual references,don't say bullsh!t.Thank you.
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Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.

lambomanx1 said:
Overclocking will not yield massive improvements; GPUs for the most part just don't overclock that well in comparison to CPUs.
You will either get worse battery life or worse performance. So it's a choice between the two. But again, there isn't much point, the DHD's GPU is not slow by any means.
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DHD Gpu is pretty slow actually.
And... gpus oc prettty well... As to how these specific ones OC... well no one knows because no1 has tried as of yet right? If we can get ~100-200mhz extra outta the GPU with acceptable drain I'd settle for that

lambomanx1 said:
Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.
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To get this straight,there is no way that you'll overclock a GPU at,say,double its stock speed.By that manner yes,they don't overclock well.But my father's overclocked Ati 6870 kicks my stock one's ass.Not by a lot,but it does nevertheless.
My Galaxy S 2 was merely an example that it can be done in phones.So is the Sensation that isn't THAT much different than the Desire HD.So it's just a matter of can or can't.If we can,no one will force you to overclock your GPU.
So,unlesa you completely disagree,I think we could end this before we end up in a thread full of flaming.What do you say?
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tolis626 said:
To get this straight,there is no way that you'll overclock a GPU at,say,double its stock speed.By that manner yes,they don't overclock well.But my father's overclocked Ati 6870 kicks my stock one's ass.Not by a lot,but it does nevertheless.
My Galaxy S 2 was merely an example that it can be done in phones.So is the Sensation that isn't THAT much different than the Desire HD.So it's just a matter of can or can't.If we can,no one will force you to overclock your GPU.
So,unlesa you completely disagree,I think we could end this before we end up in a thread full of flaming.What do you say?
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Hi,
I guess it will be awsome!!!
This is the XDA spirit!!!
Let's see what the sensation masters have to say...
best regards

Apparently,overclocking the Adreno 200 is possible,as bananacakes has done it for the Desire here.So,will we get left behind?
By the way,the Adreno 200 overclocked runs at 83MHz...I laughed so hard at that one!

lambomanx1 said:
Firstly, rather than being agressive to fellow posters, read their posts. I said, for the most part. Not, "in every single case known to man".
Secondly, I base that information on general knowledge and generally agreed knowledge in the PC community. CPU's overclock well; my old E4300 ran at 3.1GHz, stock 1.8GHz. Core 2, Core i5/i7 chips, have all overclocked immensely well. In comparison, GPUs do not do anywhere near as well most of the time. This is changing, however.
Secondly, you're talking about your Galaxy S2. We aren't.
I've stated that "in general, GPUs don't overclock that well". Hence why you'll find that most boutique PC builders do not overclock graphics cards. It's not worth the effort.
You've stated that your GPU overclocks well. The chances are, the far better (and newer) architecture of your SGS2 means that it has a lot more in it than the DHD component.
Finally, don't tell me to find references when you haven't yourself.
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@lambomanx1 - please, DO NOT OFF TOPIC.
If you don't like the idea of having better hardware, just go away.
@tolis626 - don't feed you know who. But back to the point - yep, we would like to have this possibility. Best would be as optional overclocking as always, who does not want it, just do not touch it. Althought I'm a dev, I do not know much about cell hardware, so I'm useless, but I would be happy to see someone works on this topic. Maybe you should talk to Lee again, but I doubt he would be happy to work on our "old" hardware while maintaining LeeDroid on both of his phones. So, idea is great, but I thing it will fail if we won't find a dev which knows the hardware and has no access to better than DHD . And there are _big_ chances that Lee had right saying it's simply impossible, but it's worth checking again.

krzych said:
@lambomanx1 - please, DO NOT OFF TOPIC.
If you don't like the idea of having better hardware, just go away.
@tolis626 - don't feed you know who. But back to the point - yep, we would like to have this possibility. Best would be as optional overclocking as always, who does not want it, just do not touch it. Althought I'm a dev, I do not know much about cell hardware, so I'm useless, but I would be happy to see someone works on this topic. Maybe you should talk to Lee again, but I doubt he would be happy to work on our "old" hardware while maintaining LeeDroid on both of his phones. So, idea is great, but I thing it will fail if we won't find a dev which knows the hardware and has no access to better than DHD . And there are _big_ chances that Lee had right saying it's simply impossible, but it's worth checking again.
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Lee is an awesome guy who I think will help if he has time.I even convinced him to give us the first 1.8GHz kernel for the DHD once.
Maybe we should also contact LordClockan.He is an awesome kernel developer with good knowledge of DHD's hardware.
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[Q] Will the Infuse get Ice Cream Sand?

Yea, like the title says

How would you expect us to know?
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ahhhh ... i don't know
Ok then.... THANKS

I doubt it. First, Android is catching up to hardware for once and less than 512MB of RAM is causing major issues for some cheap-ass tablets problems. I don't know the exact requirements of 4.0 but it's probably enough that we're--at best-- at the minimum requirement. Quad core processors will be standard in new high-end smartphones in the next year, I'm sure google planned accordingly and assumed even low-end phones would at least have dual core CPUs. Also, ARM is making really cheap CPUs now so I don't doubt some mid-ends will have quad cores in the near future.
All of that = probably not.

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I doubt it. First, Android is catching up to hardware for once and less than 512MB of RAM is causing major issues for some cheap-ass tablets problems. I don't know the exact requirements of 4.0 but it's probably enough that we're--at best-- at the minimum requirement. Quad core processors will be standard in new high-end smartphones in the next year, I'm sure google planned accordingly and assumed even low-end phones would at least have dual core CPUs. Also, ARM is making really cheap CPUs now so I don't doubt some mid-ends will have quad cores in the near future.
All of that = probably not.
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I would think the infuse could run ICS. Tablet != Phone

Naphthoylindole said:
I doubt it. First, Android is catching up to hardware for once and less than 512MB of RAM is causing major issues for some cheap-ass tablets problems. I don't know the exact requirements of 4.0 but it's probably enough that we're--at best-- at the minimum requirement. Quad core processors will be standard in new high-end smartphones in the next year, I'm sure google planned accordingly and assumed even low-end phones would at least have dual core CPUs. Also, ARM is making really cheap CPUs now so I don't doubt some mid-ends will have quad cores in the near future.
All of that = probably not.
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While AT&T's handling of Gingerbread is nothing to write home about, I'm still hopeful that we'll see ICS. There are still VERY few dual core phones in the wilds and I don't think that the majority of consumers will be able to afford quad core phones till well into next year or later.
Why make another OS that doesn't work for the majority of handsets? That wouldn't be solving fragmentation, but making it wose

But just out of curiosity (and ignorance), isn't it possible to make our own ICS (like one of these ROM that the geniuses around here make) once they release the code or whatnot ?!

benyben123 said:
But just out of curiosity (and ignorance), isn't it possible to make our own ICS (like one of these ROM that the geniuses around here make) once they release the code or whatnot ?!
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Yes, it is completely possible. Probable is another thing entirely. It would take some work to get it done (and by some, I mean a lot). But it is possible.

sure we may get it some time around when jelly bean comes out.
i think it will come in some form. linux bozo already has it booted but no touch screen, he did this with a modded gingerbread kernel and a precompiled system dump, imagine what he'll do when sources drop!

I am almost sure we will see Ice Cream for our phone. The thing is will it be a offical verson or only a custom rom.

Well they have a Nexus S port of ICS couldnt somwthing be ported from the port?
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What does the future hold - Overclocking

I notice some of the ROM's for the Sensation allow overclocking of the CPU. Is this going to be possible on our phones? Having seen the potential benchmarks for the S3 with a trimmed down ROM and an overclock I wonder what our dual core is capable of? Is it even possible?
Now the One S is out in the US i'm really hoping development takes off!

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I notice some of the ROM's for the Sensation allow overclocking of the CPU. Is this going to be possible on our phones? Having seen the potential benchmarks for the S3 with a trimmed down ROM and an overclock I wonder what our dual core is capable of? Is it even possible?
Now the One S is out in the US i'm really hoping development takes off!
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It's for sure possible. 99% of Android phones nowadays are OC'able to some degree. However, the kernel sources is needed from HTC in order to effectively make this happen. Til then, no custom kernels.
Here's to hoping HTC fulfills their GPL obligations soon and that they post it.