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So I'll be coming from a S***sung Craptivate after it killed its own memory, resulting in not having enough room to load a back-up or a fresh ROM after a full wipe. (Phone is actually in two pieces, divided straight across the center) I had the phone flashed with a rooted deodexed and lagfixed ROM (Paragon RC6) and undervolted and stock clock speed (1ghz). I also had a different launcher, text based icons, widgetlocker, basically nothing was "stock" about it, but that was out of need, to fix the shutdown problem, the crappy GPS, the crappy sound, the crappy speed, the crappy lag.. etc etc..
I will be buying a Desire when it is back in stock locally, hopefully with tomorrow's shipment. But I have a few questions...
How much different is everything about modding this phone? I've read the guides and the stickies, and liking the Ingersol ROM (with just a battery notification mod, would like it to be white and turn red below 15% instead of the crazy colors it does.)
I only have 3 questions really... but one or more may become more. Please bare with me.
1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
You need to downgrade to get unknown sources back. HTC sense is basically a theme that designed for there phone if I'm not mistaking. The gingerbread themes here are very smooth and good. You will encounter bugs but that will always be fix from the developers
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GTIVRon said:
1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
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It only enables the exploit to get S-OFF (think recovery 2e from the Captivate, vs 3e which required signed update.zip's). Once done, you don't have to worry about it again. There are plenty of stock based ROM's like TPC or dilligaf for you to choose from if you so desire.
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
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Sense is more than the launcher, it is a complete rework of the Android framework, like TouchWiz, but nowhere near as craptacular. It is actually useful. Any HTC sourced ROM will originally have Sense in it, but some HTC ROM's that say "no-sense" have a good chunk of that removed and are more like AOSP Android, but not quite all the way. Then there are other ROM's like CyanogenMod, which are based on actual Google AOSP code and have NO HTC software in them. It really is your choice which to use. I tend to flip between them. My personal favorites are CM7 and RCMixHD 5.9.4. I would flash them both to see what your preference is.
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
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They work perfectly, with only the minorest of troubles that tend to be app specific, like the Gmail word wrap issue(which is not even a big deal at all). I haven't used a Froyo ROM in weeks.
And finally, welcome from another former Craptivate user! You will be MUCH happier with this phone.
Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
GTIVRon said:
Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
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The only thing about sense that really eats battery is the constant data usage of the HTC sense account, if you don't set up an account, your battery life should be rather good. As far as the gb roms they are all working very well, and you will find a small bug here and there, but all the major roms are very good daily drivers.
Most of the roms here have numorous tweaks for stability and snappiness, and you would probably be pleased with any of the major ones. I would say there is more difference between stock sense and tweaked sense than tweaked sense and no sense as far as performance goes. I ran stock for all of a few hours when I got this phone, and have been on a few roms with and without sense, and all of them have been very snappy and smooth.
Any of the major roms that support clock speed adjustments will use setcpu to adjust it, you can run at basically any speed setcpu lets you(within reason, and check the rom post for exceptions and recomendations) I currently run at a maximum of 1.5ghz on miui and my battery life is just as good as it was running 1.2ghz on android revolution.
And last but not least, don't be afraid of gingerbread here, most major bugs have been worked out and 90% of the problems posted about are due to the installer, not the rom.
Welcome aboard!
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Just an add on note:
Gingerbread sense ROMs do not have overclocking right now. But really they are so butter smooth especially when compared to a captivate. RCMix5.9.3 has no compatibility issues I have found.
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Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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XAviierG said:
Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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id10terrordfw said:
MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
XAviierG said:
Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yes they are. 2.3.3.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Haha yeah I do post a bit. IM always on my phone and its just everything going on and I try to make It simple. Once again thanks for putting that all out
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
It all depends what theme goes with you.
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
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I've gotten better performance out of the GB ROMs I have used. I believe that ROM is based off the leaked GB for the Desire HD which is the same thing as the Inspire, so you shouldn't have any worries about it not being designed for this phone.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Yea, the UD ROM is really good. I've been on it for the past week or so and it is running like a champ. Making it really hard to switch to something else.
Im wondering if anyone has any info on weather or not MIUI 2.3.5 will be available or if it already is available for the charge?
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Search much?
Im really new to the forums so finding as well as understanding the lingo is pretty new to me anyhow my buddy rooted and installed gc but he seems to think that I would be much more satisfied with the MIUI info or even a link to info would be greatly appreciated
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MIUI is not available, is not being worked on, and is not planned. The only true AOSP build that is being developed is CyanogenMod 7, and it is not usable yet.
The info is greatly appreciated outside of gc is there another rom outside cm7 or should I try and familiarize myself with the gc prior to considering a alternate rom? Also I know im a "noob" but what exactly does the kernal provide and what's the purpose of flashing a different kernal?
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The info is greatly appreciated outside of gc is there another rom outside cm7 or should I try and familiarize myself with the gc prior to considering a alternate rom? Also I know im a "noob" but what exactly does the kernal provide and what's the purpose of flashing a different kernal?
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On Froyo, GummyCharged and Humble are currently in active development, and Eclipse is still available, though it's development status is on hold. They all offer different things. Gummy has more features, Humble is more stripped down to the basics, and Eclipse is themed to look a lot like stock without the ugly brown colors. On the Gingerbread side, there is GummyCharged, Humble, and TW4. Gummy and Humble are much like their Froyo counterparts, and TW4 has a SGS2 theme and is stripped way, way down to the bare minimums...you have to go manually install any Google apps you want.
The kernel is the core component of the OS. It is what ties the OS software to the phone hardware. Different kernels offer different features. Some offer overclocking, some don't. Some offer init.d support, some don't. imoseyon's kernel offers different levels of overclocking and different CPU governors than imnut's. imoseyon's also has a different display color temperature than imnut's. Either one is a fine choice, and it's about what you need in a kernel. If you don't know about any of the special features, you'll be happy with either one.
I finally reverted back to GB after pretty much trying every ICS ROM.
All ICS ROM's feel slightly laggy no matter the ROM or the kernel and no matter the combination.
The latest I tried was Kangy6 with stevegaron's kernel which seemed the most fluid of all combinations.
However, comparing it with my stockish with Franco's 8dec kernel makes ICS feel slow in comparison.
Am I the only one?
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nope...I flashed ICS on the release day...went back to GB in the evening never look back.
Nope,never returned to GB since the release of 4.0.3. Though I almost tried all ROM-Kernel combo just to find what suits to my phone and preference.
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The only thing that would make me go back to GB would be the browser, it is horrible on ICS.
I can't believe that Google's own beta testers never picked up on it.
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The only thing that would make me go back to GB would be the browser, it is horrible on ICS.
I can't believe that Google's own beta testers never picked up on it.
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Actually, i loved ICS browser....its faaar btr than all versions of android
Good ROM is a state of mind.
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I was til I flashed bigxie's ics....its the only ics rom I found to run smooth with no issues
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The only thing that would make me go back to GB would be the browser, it is horrible on ICS.
I can't believe that Google's own beta testers never picked up on it.
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horrible? don't understand. The stock ICS browser is superb with lots of inovations I really don't know what seems bad for you in it.
I was on ICS for quite a long time but because of warranty I had to return to stock GB and I agree with you sabaramo, ICS feels slower and laggy.
Stock ICS browser is the only thing making me go back to ICS!
Otherwise everything on GB is a LOT smoother and snappier.
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Stock ICS browser is the only thing making me go back to ICS!
Otherwise everything on GB is a LOT smoother and snappier.
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I agree. ICS browser is awesome especially with the labs settings. So easy to multi task now.
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GB on my i9020a...still
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Yep, ics still hasn't released yet so I'll wait.
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The only thing that would make me go back to GB would be the browser, it is horrible on ICS.
I can't believe that Google's own beta testers never picked up on it.
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I agree, I flashed just about every ICS room out there and the browsers were slow and laggy and it pushed me back to my favorite GB ROM (Petes GB BB). I don't know if its because i'm on a NS4G our what but it WAS horrible for me too I until I flashed gummy nexus v6.1 with Steve Garons kernel and now everything is perfect and the best browser i've ever used A for stock. You might want to try that combination out it changed the way I viewed ICS and now is my daily.
had to roll back from 4.0.x to 2.3.x due many Apps not running properly or not compatible with 4.0.x
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I finally reverted back to GB after pretty much trying every ICS ROM.
All ICS ROM's feel slightly laggy no matter the ROM or the kernel and no matter the combination.
The latest I tried was Kangy6 with stevegaron's kernel which seemed the most fluid of all combinations.
However, comparing it with my stockish with Franco's 8dec kernel makes ICS feel slow in comparison.
Am I the only one?
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one phone with ics AndoidMe and second with GB nscollab-cuz few my apps r not working properly with ics ;]
Yep, still on GB. I'm Using Brainmaster's stable MIUI rom.
Currently waiting for a stable ICS rom not in the alpha/beta stage.
yes.that's good！
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And it is far optimized better than what your used to. You really don't know what optimization is until you optimize on the next level. Any nexus running ics will be left in the dust. I made these optimizations to an already very well optimizatied ROM.
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And it is far optimized better than what your used to. You really don't know what optimization is until you optimize on the next level. Any nexus running ics will be left in the dust. I made these optimizations to an already very well optimizatied ROM.
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And those optimizations would be.... feel free to share. I am curious.
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And it is far optimized better than what your used to. You really don't know what optimization is until you optimize on the next level. Any nexus running ics will be left in the dust. I made these optimizations to an already very well optimizatied ROM.
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Funny you should say that. The youtube Nexus S GB vs ICS videos that i've seen seem to suggest GB being faster and smoother in side-by-side comparisons. I'm in no hurry to switch!
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And those optimizations would be.... feel free to share. I am curious.
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I myself is using modified CM7.1RC0AOSP2.3.7GB as base. But far as CM9AOSP4.0.3ICS goes its still not ready for folks like me for DD yet.
As I described below how extensively its optimized and most of it is outside the scope of current XDA.
What you have to understand is performance is not measured via synthetic benchmarks (ex: Quadrant). The biggest issue with people is that they don't know enough to know that they don't know, so they compare it with silly numbers (ex: score) they can't comprehend what they see, much less put numbers behind real life activities that's not applicable in controlled environment.
OS development which eliminates most of it but on software level custom base rom (ex: CyanogenMod) is highly optimized and tweaked to run on optimal performance. Mostly, but not all. But does it mean it can't be tweaked any further? (Rhetorical) No. How do I know? We (scope outside of XDA) tweaked it to the next level. How you ask?
1) Optimized ext4fs: reduced r/w rate (healthy NAND lifespan), improved journaling (corrupted data writeback integrity) = Which improves the IOPs and performance access rate.
2) HC3.x fugu binaries, patched sqlite libraries, mSD read ahead buffer fix.
3) Modified VM: OOM (Out Of Memory), LMK (Low Memory Killer), VM heap (Virtual Machine), DRA (Dirty Ratio), DBR (Dirty Background Ratio), DWC (Dirty Writeback Centisecs), DEC (Dirty Expired Centisecs), SWP (Swap), VCP (VFS Cache Pressure).
4) Increased minfree value: Background, Foreground, Empty, Hidden, Visible, Secondary, Content.
5) Optimized cache: File and Drop cache, Forced cache (resident loop).
6) Custom kernel: OC/UC, UV/SVS/VDD, BFS/CFS, RSU/NP/VR/SP supported.
7) Custom ROM: Optimized Rom script and props (ex: CyanogenMod).
this as its tweaked to THE next level. I'll stick with AOSP2.3.7GB until ICS4.X is more stable and we understand more as most memory grouping and adjustments might be changed.
I bet most of you only do 2 of those thing (6&7)
According to the OP, the torch is supposed to be a working feature. However, I have not been able to get mine to work at all. Was just curious if this was an oversight or something I should correct on my device?
Additionally, I would like to know what a safe and stable OC speed would be for my Inspire 4G.... I'm a bit of a speed-freak but do not want to jeopardise anything.
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According to the OP, the torch is supposed to be a working feature. However, I have not been able to get mine to work at all. Was just curious if this was an oversight or something I should correct on my device?
Additionally, I would like to know what a safe and stable OC speed would be for my Inspire 4G.... I'm a bit of a speed-freak but do not want to jeopardise anything.
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Are you sure your camera LED's are in good working condition? Speed wise, you can overclock it to almost anything you want. If it is overclocked too much, your phone will just freeze and you might have to format everything to ROM default to get out of it. I think you can go up to 1.2 if I remember correct. I always underclock my ROM so that it saves on battery.
EDIT: I found out that it is an issue with the ROM, follow this thread in DHD, you might need a different kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28438592&postcount=153
LEDs and flashes are working fine. Thanks for the oc answer!
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Also, I'm still playing with safer speed limits but the difference has made my lead thumbs a little happier. 1420 looked good lol.
As for the torch, I'm too up to my neck with commissioned artwork to reflash so I'll use the lazy fix and use my video flash/LED if I just must have one.
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I remember reading somewhere that the inspire can go up to 1.8 but it's not recommended to go more than 1.5
I have mine up to 1.3 working great!
How is this latest build for a Dd?
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How is this latest build for a Dd?
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Wrong thread my bad
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To go back to the thing about Torch, it its working in the 2.0 release and the test 2.4 release as well. I recommend the 2.4, it has better battery life.
Hi why is everyone so eager to get the 3.x kernel?
With a well functional 3.0 kernel we can have ics working near perfect with our device.
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It's a secret
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Many of the features that make ICS and JB so cool rely on the 3.0.x+ kernel. One of these, as I understand it, is project butter. Another, of course, is a fully functional rear cam and ffc, including video and at 720p, all without a HAL.
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Yep, project butter is kernel 3 only. Also, JB does NOT natively support below kernel 3 and ICS doesn't do it well so kernel 3 just makes everything faster
I C. thanks for all the info.