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T-Mobile 3G 5-1-08

Anyone got any info on speeds?
Anyone have any info on the yet to be released and super secret new HTC phone being released tomorrow?
Is it a smart phone?
Is it TMO 3G?
Anyone?
Edit: oh noes! Voice Only!
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/t-mobile-rolling-out-3g-tomorrow-in-new-york-sorry-new-jersey/

I thought the document says voice and data.

johnny13oi said:
I thought the document says voice and data.
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It SAYS voice and data and there are already TONS of Tri-Band UMTS/3G smartphones available worldwide, so I wonder why people make such a big fuss out of it.

I think it's just that there was only ATT that provided 3G in the US? But now Tmobile coming in and many have been waiting for a long time now. I think you need a quadband UTMS phone or the one with the Tmobile band which I think is 1700 and not many have that yet?

P996 said:
It SAYS voice and data and there are already TONS of Tri-Band UMTS/3G smartphones available worldwide, so I wonder why people make such a big fuss out of it.
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Because the spectrum TMO bought does not have any phones to support it right now.

Farlaugh said:
Because the spectrum TMO bought does not have any phones to support it right now.
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If the 1700 MHz frequency is correct, there will be at least 4(!) phones with the 3G support for this band when the service starts tomorrow.
Or to say it in a better way: FOUR phones will be available starting tomorrow.

Anyone get a chance to use it?

7 minutues till 5-3-2008. No new phones on T-mobile.com
I really hope the Kaiser variant or a phone with GPS and atleast 400mhz processor comes!
T-mobile wing is slow as hell..

megaman81 said:
7 minutues till 5-3-2008. No new phones on T-mobile.com
I really hope the Kaiser variant or a phone with GPS and atleast 400mhz processor comes!
T-mobile wing is slow as hell..
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yeah my friend that works at tmobile said they were going to release the mda vario III aka kaiser

At&t to acquire t-mobile usa

Who has seen this?
http://www.mobilizeeverything.com/home.php

kirk123 said:
Who has seen this?
http://www.mobilizeeverything.com/home.php
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It just came out http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/20/att-to-acquire-t-mobile-usa/
Crazy ****... I NEVER would have seen that coming :-(
Really bad for the US cellular industry.

I have.
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kirk123 said:
http://www.mobilizeeverything.com/home.php
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Was just about to post this.
I think it will be good for us if AT&T decides to add their frequencies to T-Mobile's towers. The purchase is expected to take a year and I wonder if it will be blocked by the SEC.

Does that mean AT&T wireless can actually get worse, now that they will (supposedly) gobble up t-mobile?

gunnyman said:
Was just about to post this.
I think it will be good for us if AT&T decides to add their frequencies to T-Mobile's towers. The purchase is expected to take a year and I wonder if it will be blocked by the SEC.
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Well in "the old days" I would have seen the SEC letting this go about as far as I can throw it, but after changing the laws to allow comcast to become the mega-carrier they are, they'll let this one through as well.
Very unfortunate given that T-Mobile at least has drive to create a decent product.
I guess the old saying is true, if you can't beat em, buy em, lol

kirk123 said:
Does that mean AT&T wireless can actually get worse, now that they will (supposedly) gobble up t-mobile?
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It can gets LOTS worse, hehe. I worked for T-Mo at corp during the formation through mergers in 2001... it was UGLY.

bella92108 said:
It can gets LOTS worse, hehe. I worked for T-Mo at corp during the formation through mergers in 2001... it was UGLY.
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Wonderful! More dropped calls, YES!! lol

kirk123 said:
Wonderful! More dropped calls, YES!! lol
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In my experience, T-Mo had far LESS than AT&T, tho it's been 5 years since I had T-Mo. With T-Mo, they have so many roaming agreements you can drive across the country and have fairly reliable service the entire way. Not the case with Big Red or Big Mama Blue.

bella92108 said:
In my experience, T-Mo had far LESS than AT&T, tho it's been 5 years since I had T-Mo. With T-Mo, they have so many roaming agreements you can drive across the country and have fairly reliable service the entire way. Not the case with Big Red or Big Mama Blue.
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I know a few people that are stuck with t-mobile. All I hear them complain about, is dropped calls. T-mobile data speeds aren't bad from what I can tell. I think t-mobile has better 4G coverage. Is this true?

kirk123 said:
I know a few people that are stuck with t-mobile. All I hear them complain about, is dropped calls. T-mobile data speeds aren't bad from what I can tell. I think t-mobile has better 4G coverage. Is this true?
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They have about a year head start on HSPA+, but that's about it. No clear direction on LTE tho, so I guess this was written...

Big pink and big blue got hitched! LOL
I'm sure T-mobile customers are jumping for joy after they read this news.

I'm seeing this as being one step closer to getting rid of CDMA.
I wish Cell Phones worked the way they do in Europe. We have too much fragmentation and carrier control in the US.

I have a friend on T-Mobile and he likes the data speeds but the coverage of phone service itself apparently isnt that great all i hear about his how much he complains!!!

Here is some more info from engadget
http://www.engadget.com/photos/atandt-t-mobile-lte-buildout-slides-0/#3984852
Edit: I also read somewhere that it may take a year for this to complete. So no new changes for a while.

NICE!!!!!
I have been to places where there are only tmobile signals! (i did a network search, only tmobile pop up!), but i'm unable to connect cus att wont allow it! i guess this merger will change that!

this means that now after it is complete, we will be able to access t-mobiles hspa+ network with our inspires right? this is great news if we can b/c t-mobiles roll out of hspa+ is far greater than at&t's as of now

Least they will have a larger hspa plus network
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so this is the trick that att will use to increase their 4g network. LOL i guess when they started rolling out the 4g they ment it would be ready NEXT year! LOL

bpodz34 said:
this means that now after it is complete, we will be able to access t-mobiles hspa+ network with our inspires right? this is great news if we can b/c t-mobiles roll out of hspa+ is far greater than at&t's as of now
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they use different frequencies so I imagine hardware on t Mobil towers would need changing.
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Inspire or Sensation?

Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?

That is a tempting phone but I think I would hold off and stick with the Inspire. There are a couple of reasons.
1. This phone is already hacked wide open and fully customizable. There is no guarantee the same thing will happen with the Sensation. (I am sure it will, but we never really know)
2. What happens if the AT&T T-Mobile merger goes through and they make you switch phones back to something with the AT&T banding within a year. The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
3. T-Mobile Coverage leaves something to be desired. It rocks where it is present, but it isn't present in a lot of places. If you travel at all take a good look at that coverage map.
4. I believe the Sensation is only going to be capable of 21mb down (only... ha) not the 42mb down T-Mobile is deploying to cities like Vegas. This makes me wonder what their future plans are and if there is something... dare I say it... even better coming in 3 months.

bmolloy said:
The only good news is that you would come over at a better grandfathered price, but I am sure they will rip that away when LTE comes in.
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You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.

BillTheCat said:
Per my other post regarding service plans, I was hoping for some feedback from you guys.
A couple weeks ago I renewed my contract and got an Inspire. I'm still within the return window, and heard about the Sensation. Obviously the Sensation is the more powerful phone and would be preferable over the Inspire. And of course, Tmobile's $80 unlimited plan is very attractive when compared to $110 for the same plan features from AT&T.
However there's some rumor going around that the Sensation's bootloader is locked down tight and that it might not be able to be cracked so that we can flash custom ROMs. That's obviously a deal-breaker to me since I need root, and just hate the bloatware carriers put on a phone. I'd want it unbranded.
So, what would you guys do? Return the Inspire, go with Tmobile and get the Sensation when it comes available in the hope that it can be unlocked by then? Or stick with the Inspire and let it be?
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Not to mention the Sensation will be tied to T-Mobile and if the merger with AT&T goes through, eventually the data will no longer work. T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios. But the latest info is that the G2x doesn't have it. And the G2x was clearly stated it would have the quad band HSDPA+ radio. If the G2x doesn't have, I would not trust the Sensation would have it.
Stick with the Inspire. It's the safer bet.

BillTheCat said:
You make good points.
I presume that LTE is the AT&T 4G network, which the Inspire is designed for? Y'see I posed the above question on the assumption that the Sensation would operate on AT&T's 4G network as the merger goes forward, and/or that AT&T would offer an equal or better phone as the Tmobile customers were migrated over, but that might not be correct. Can you comment?
The problem I face is that I need to make a final decision by the end of today and either return the Inspire and revert to my no-contrast status, or stick with it. But if I stick with the Inspire, I'm locked into it for 2 years.
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My understanding about the merger is that T-Mobile runs their "4G" HSPA+ on different bands than AT&T does so the phones will not be compatible. AT&T wants that company so they can have all that bandwidth, all of those users and all of the towers in the densely populated areas like SF, NY and LV that are notorious for dropping calls when the towers get crowded.
AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year, T-Mobile does not have any announced LTE plans because their HSPA+ is so good and I am sure they are waiting to see if they do get sucked up.
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB. That means that blazing fast 21mb/s download speeds you get will be slowed way down until your billing cycle is up. For the time being AT&T's unlimited is unlimited.
I got the Inspire because I am locked to AT&T with the 4 phones with data plans I have on my contract. I look at this as an awesome phone that will definitely hold me over until they release a phone with LTE, which by that time being that I pay an obscene amount of money to them every month I will be elegible for my 15 month or so upgrade. In reality the only time I feel like my phone is inferior is when I am doing speedtest.net tests with friends of mine that have Thunderbolts which where I live get 20mb down and up. In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised.

Great feedback, guys. I appreciate the help. Still on the fence, but getting closer to a decision.
MartyLK said:
T-Mobile has been rumored to be contracting for phones that have quad band HSDPA+ radios.
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This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
http://www.cellhut.com/HTC-Sensation-Pyramid-30632.html?INO=518754
bmolloy said:
AT&T has plans on rolling out LTE (which the inspire is NOT capable of using) within the next year...
One other note, the T-Mobile "Unlimited Plan" is now saying they will throttle your data speeds when you reach 2GB...
In reality though this phone is absolutely sick and it's only downside is that AT&T doesn't seem to be rolling out a very fast HSPA+ network like they advertised...
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All good points. Here are my thoughts:
* If the Inspire isn't capable of LTE, then it's not really a 4G phone, is it? So maybe I should return the sucker now and wait to see what happens?
* I can't see myself ever going over 2G of data per month, and I have WiFi at home and office, so Tmo's throttle isn't much of an issue for me.
* If AT&T's data network isn't as robust as Tmobile's, then maybe I should really be looking to leave then, no? And if the voice network will eventually merge, wouldn't that be another reason to jump ship and go with Tmo?

BillTheCat said:
This spec says that the phone is quad-band, or am I confusing data with voice radios?
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Yeah, that would be the cell radio, which is compatible with AT&T, as well as Edge data network (2G).
According to this Engadget article, the G2x may not have the quad band HSDPA+ radio.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/24/t-mobile-g2x-getting-gingerbread-sooner-than-youd-expect-may/

Looking at those specs the Sensation says that it's 3G bands are 2100/900 MHz. AT&T uses 850/1900 MHz bands for 3G. The 2G radio is quadband so it looks like it will work on EDGE. I have an Nexus One that is unlocked but I had to wait for the AT&T banded one because the T-Mobile unlocked one would not work on AT&T 3G bands.
As for the AT&T not having 4G, that battle has been being fought for a long time here. Really what they did is call their HSPA+ network 4G, just like all of the other cell companies that have the same infrastructure starting doing about a year ago. They aren't exactly lying but they are not exactly telling the truth either. They do actually explain what they are doing on their website, but you have to look for it. I am not a fanboy here, I just think people are flaming AT&T even though they aren't exactly hiding what they are doing. They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115944
That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS I might just have to sell a kidney and buy one off contract to run on AT&T's network.

That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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That is their definition of what comprises 4G, not what this particular phone is capable of.

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.

swatcop1 said:
That is weird because if you go to the ATT site under inspire it says
4G* - HSPA+/LTE HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
I just assumed it was capable of LTE
Humm
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None of the current phones they are pushing out with "4G" labels have LTE radios. Part of that "What is 4G?" battle. I really think we are at least 1 year away from an LTE phone on AT&T. Just a guess, but I have had them for a long time and watched how slowly they move on stuff like this. An example would be launching the iPhone on only the 2G network when they had a fully deployed 3G network, and rolling out this HSPA+ way after T-Mobile and many international carriers. Not exactly committed to bleeding edge technology here with the big blue ball.

bmolloy said:
They are just taking advantage of the lack of a universal definition for 4G.
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To my way of thinking, 4G is about a speed standard, not a protocol standard. I don't care if the phone speaks Greek or German, as long as it does so at 4G speed. That said, I do agree with you that AT&T (or other large companies) tend to get into the crosshairs because it's easy to pick on the 800 pound gorilla.
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That Sensation is a great phone, honestly if it is unlocked and works on AT&T 3G bands and developers can root it and get some good ROMS...
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I'm smellin' a lot of 'if' comin' off this plan. Lots of variables - timing, hardware, rooting, unlocking, ROM availability... there's a lot of uncertainty. Might just stick where I am. Besides, there's no saying that even IF everything went well with Tmo and the Sensation that when they're absorbed by AT&T that users won't be forced into an Inspire or other phone anyway.

Understood thanks

MartyLK said:
Sweet! If AT&T says it's so, I would more believe them than HTC. But in all actuality, the AT&T LTE will likely be their 4G network. This means, probably, that the Inspire is compatible in the fact that it uses 4G. This would also make the Atrix compatible.
But I'm not all that familiar with LTE to begin with.
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Actually AT&T's plan is to be the only carrier that has LTE and HSPA+ so those in areas that don't have LTE can fall back on HSPA+ and still have somewhat of the 4G experience.
Like it has been said, none of their current phones have LTE radios. The Inspire will see 4G HSPA+ type speeds once the backhaul has been completed in your area but will never see LTE speeds when they roll out.

Any last thoughts on this? I have only until tomorrow to make my decision.

Verizon's LTE is fast now, but wait till it gets saturated like ATT. It'll go downhill just like Sprint's WiMax did.
I personally, would stick w/ ATT because of the Tmob merger. When that's done, the ATT network will get better for us the consumers.
If you have an Unlimited data plan, that's enough reason to stay IMHO. All the carriers are going the way of tiered data plans as an attempt to make the "experience" the best for all of us. I don't like it but don't have a choice either.
I think that if you'll fight the urge to have the best now, you'll be better off in the long run when all the wrinkles get ironed out w/ the ATT-Tmob merge.
My $.02
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I say sensation because its newwer.LOL

I'm not ENTIRELY certain... but I believe the incredible S's bootloader is signed, and has yet to be cracked (or whatever needs to be done for custom Kernels/Roms) I'm not sure if HTC will continue the trend of signing bootloaders, etc, but seeing as how it's a newer phone, it would most likely follow that pattern.
If you're into hacking/modding/tweaking to the extent of a fully unlocked phone (read:custom kernels, more rom choice) then get the Inspire 4G.
If you find yourself pleased with Sense 3.0/ HTC's offerings in general, get the Sensation.
As a side note, I'm sure root will eventually be found for it, but no telling when with HTC changing their phone security game up.

Have Unlocked T-Mobile Sensation - using AT&T

Went into T-Mobile yesterday and purchased a Sensation off contract. Got home and went online to get it unlocked.
Currently the phone is on AT&T and I can report that 3G / 4G service does NOT work. I know there was some talk about the phone maybe picking up the 1900 3G band - but I can confirm that is does not. It only works on the 2G / Edge network.
MMS / SMS work fine.
One MAJOR draw back to having this phone on AT&T is you cannot be talking on the phone and use data at the same time. This caught me by surprise when I was using the Google Navigation app and got a phone call. The map stopped updating until I got off the phone. I double checked trying to open a website while on the phone and it gives you an error message saying it needs a connection.
If anyone does plan to do this - know that you also have to manually put in the AT&T APN settings for internet and messaging to work. Just typing in the unlock code will allow you to place calls, but no other services work.
Another annoying part is there is a T-Mobile app that updates all your contacts with their servers. This is constantly trying to update throughout the day. The program isn't able to be un-installed at this point either.
I called AT&T to give them the IMEI number. They (obviously) don't recognize the phone and register it as a non-smart phone. At first when she said that, and also told me my unlimited data package would go from $30 to $15 I was happy. As soon as I got off the phone with her and reset the phone, the internet wouldn't come back up. Had to go in to an AT&T store to get it all fixed. They had to put the IMEI of my old Inspire 4G back on the account to get everything working again. So - don't call AT&T with the IMEI =)
So - would I do all this again and spend $600 bucks. No way - its not worth it. The phone itself is nice, but I feel like I just got tossed back in time about 15 years with this incredibly slow internet and not being able to "talk & surf" at the same time. I've put the phone for sale online
Take it for what its worth

Having only Edge connection speeds just kills the entire experience on any phone regardless of how hardware/software advanced it is. Don't you guys have the Inspire? With all due respect, why would you think the Sensation would even work to it's full potential on an entirely different 3G network? Just wondering why you would set yourself up for such an expensive let down? Again no disrespect, just wondering.

It's still within 14 days . Just return it and get your loot back dude. Thanks for experimenting and posting your results for the community. You've done your part please go return it!
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There was talk that even though the phone didn't have the 850 band - it may still work on the 1900 band. No one knew for certain (at least in the posts I have read). I read online about other makes of phones that were able to get 3G on just the 1900 band - but the Sensation doesn't seem to.
It's not a huge let down - and the money isn't wasted. I have 14 days to return it, granted with a $50 fee. So it was worth (to me) a $50 experiment to perhaps get a better phone than the Inspire - not to mention its quite a bit smaller which is a huge bonus for me!

Wy did you ever do this? The sensation with at&t 3g will be released on July 5th thru Bell in Canada and already many major import sites are taking pre-orders. It's also confirmed that the bell version will be bloat free and have pure HTC ROM on it.

It's just money man! With a return policy and able to pick it up 2 blocks from my house it was worth the gamble! If it worked on the 1900 band, I was golden. If it didn't, I'd return it or sell it on craigslist.
I imagine the Bell version is going to sell for ~$150-200 higher online because it has the 850 band - supply and demand on that phone will be quite high as compared to the T-Mobile version. I'll most def. keep my eye out. Do you have the name of the website that is doing pre-orders on the Bell Canada version? Not finding anything online.

alejate76 said:
It's just money man! With a return policy and able to pick it up 2 blocks from my house it was worth the gamble! If it worked on the 1900 band, I was golden. If it didn't, I'd return it or sell it on craigslist.
I imagine the Bell version is going to sell for ~$150-200 higher online because it has the 850 band - supply and demand on that phone will be quite high as compared to the T-Mobile version. I'll most def. keep my eye out. Do you have the name of the website that is doing pre-orders on the Bell Canada version? Not finding anything online.
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I hear ya... Worth it to try if you can get a full refund. This is the site I pre-ordered from. The price is high but will be worth it. AT&T service is WAY better in my area. I only get edge on T-Mobile @ my house or I would consider jumping ship.
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_SENSATION_NAM

You could have gotten an SGS2 for about $150 more and had 4G speeds (21MB) on AT&T and used the same dumb-phone data plan. There's a guy with an SGS2 on T-Mobile U.S. in the SGS2 forum getting EDGE too. What's the point of a high-end phone that's dependent on data on a low-end network?

WOW!! $899.99 for the phone. That is A LOT man!! I could keep the Sensation I have and use it on 2G only - and have 450 bucks in my pocket. I have an Inspire sitting here next to the Sensation. Inspire is on "4G" and the Sensation on "2G". In real life tests - it takes about 1.5 seconds longer to open a website such as CNN.
The more I use the Sensation - the more I like it. Its quick - the screen is fantastic - and I'm learning to enjoy having 2G because my battery is lasting quite a bit longer than the power hogging 4G service.
This may not be a bad thing after all....

Raspster said:
I hear ya... Worth it to try if you can get a full refund. This is the site I pre-ordered from. The price is high but will be worth it. AT&T service is WAY better in my area. I only get edge on T-Mobile @ my house or I would consider jumping ship.
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_SENSATION_NAM
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Correct me if I am wrong - but isn't the GSM bands the exact same on both phones? The only difference is the UMTS spectrum which is for 3G / 4G data. I was under the impression that the voice services of the phone (ie: making phone calls) is always done via GSM.
Edge at your house via T-mobile - don't you have a wireless router the phone would connect to anyway?
(I'm starting to feel like a sales person for the T-Mobile version now - this is scary)

You do realize that it may still work on the 1900 band, but your area is in 850 towers right?

Sdobron said:
You do realize that it may still work on the 1900 band, but your area is in 850 towers right?
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Thats what I was thinking. ATT uses 850 for 3G in my area.
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I'll def. be on the lookout for the 1900 band to see about 3g connectivity. I live in Phoenix, AZ.

Ended up getting rid of the phone and waiting for the Canadian version with 850/1900
Too much money to spend on the phone with such limited capabilities. Could never get it to connect to 1900 MHz 3G from anywhere in Phoenix all the way to Tucson.

Wow is it really worth it to cough up 900 for a sensation? That is alot. I always looked to import a NAM version of smartphone to utilize my media net plan. I will have to just wait it out for a Nexus 3 maybe. I love tech but paying 900 for a phone is little out there for me.
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good very good

Can anyone tell me the apn settings for att mms? I updated with what I found in Google, but mms still doesn't woek.

I, for one, really appreciate taking one for the team. I was also curious as if it would work on AT&T's 1900 MHz band. We already know the 850 MHz wasn't listed.
Just an FYI, the only phone that works on 1900 MHz (as well as AWS) is the Vibrant (I have it now). If you're wondering if your area has 1900MHz coverage by AT&T, you can always use the Vibrant as your benchmark. I keep a Vibrant around just for this reason. I love having a phone that works with both AT&T and T-mobile 3G.
For those criticizing why not wait for an AT&T version: because some of us are interested in phones that can work on both GSM carriers here in the US.
Vibrant is confirmed, not sure about Galaxy S 4G (or really a Vibrant 4G). Of course there's the Nokia N8, but it's not an Android phone.
Some of us were excited to see if the T-Mobile HTC Sensation 4G will join the ranks.

Just so you know, the restocking fee does not apply to cancellations, only phone swaps, unless its defective, then its fee also.
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So can anyone help with mms setup on att?

Dropped Calls!

I may be a minority when it comes to this, but I run my phone unlocked on AT&T. Recently (over the past 6 months or so) I've been experiencing dropped calls a lot where they never used to be a problem. Now, I'm getting dropped calls in my own home as well.
I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Starts-Pushing-Users-Off-Their-2G-EDGE-Network-118679
My mother recently got a letter from AT&T saying that they would replace her old LG CG180 for a 3G phone. They replaced it for free.
It's no news to me that the 4G Slide will only run on edge through AT&T, but I was just wondering if that would be the actual reason as to why my service has been so terrible lately. I know AT&T has a bad reputation, but it has worked flawlessly for me thus far. I actually switched from T-Mobile to AT&T about 4 years ago, because there was no service where I went to school.
I also wanted to know if there is anything I can do to help the problem. Maybe flash a new radio?

All I know is my aunt uncle cousin and her husband have att ( HTC Inspires ) and they can't make a phone call over 5 minutes without it being dropped. And this has been going on for a year they just won't drop ATT
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Yes, dropped calls are really starting to become a problem for me. I called AT&T and they recommended a microcell so at least my signal would be boosted in the house. What I didn't realize was the microcell is only for 3g/4g AT&T phones.
Is there anything I can do to help the situation? I really don't want to give up this phone...

Bump. I don't mind when my threads get ignored but this one is important.
And if I can't find a solution soon, I'll have no choice but to leave this device and go for an AT&T Captivate Glide or Droid 4 (if devs get AT&T 3G going) by this Christmas.
I've been getting a lot more dropped calls recently to the point that my phone is almost no longer a phone. And if the call doesn't drop, it cuts out a lot where I don't understand what the person is saying.
I'm almost positive this is because AT&T's 2G network is being phased out and will be gone by 2017. Unless anyone has a better explanation. Does this mean unlocked T-Mobile phones will no longer work on AT&T after that point?
I got a new sim card from AT&T but it didn't seem to make any difference. Running out of ideas...

gtmaster303 said:
Bump. I don't mind when my threads get ignored but this one is important.
And if I can't find a solution soon, I'll have no choice but to leave this device and go for an AT&T Captivate Glide or Droid 4 (if devs get AT&T 3G going) by this Christmas.
I've been getting a lot more dropped calls recently to the point that my phone is almost no longer a phone. And if the call doesn't drop, it cuts out a lot where I don't understand what the person is saying.
I'm almost positive this is because AT&T's 2G network is being phased out and will be gone by 2017. Unless anyone has a better explanation. Does this mean unlocked T-Mobile phones will no longer work on AT&T after that point?
I got a new sim card from AT&T but it didn't seem to make any difference. Running out of ideas...
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Every time I talk to one of my friends who is using an AT&T phone, the calls either get dropped or there is audio dropout. Of course, they have iPhones (and they are rabid Apple fanboys) and blame my "crappy Android", but I only have the problem when talking to them. When I talk to others, even my partner in China, there is no problem. So, I blame AT&T.
Both T-Mobile and AT&T are in the process of phasing out EDGE in order to refarm the frequencies for higher-speed data. While this benefits former AT&T customers who bring their unlocked phones over to T-Mobile, for the few people like you who take a T-Mobile phone over to AT&T, it becomes a big problem. But, that is only for data use. Whether AT&T or T-Mobile, the voice service still runs on standard GSM and those frequencies are still served by both companies. Your Slide uses the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz for GSM service. AT&T serves GSM on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, T-Mobile serves GSM on the 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz bands, but is now refarming the 1900/2100MHz service to HSPA+. Perhaps AT&T is now repurposing either the 850 or 1900MHz service in your area?

Fuzi0719 said:
Every time I talk to one of my friends who is using an AT&T phone, the calls either get dropped or there is audio dropout. Of course, they have iPhones (and they are rabid Apple fanboys) and blame my "crappy Android", but I only have the problem when talking to them. When I talk to others, even my partner in China, there is no problem. So, I blame AT&T.
Both T-Mobile and AT&T are in the process of phasing out EDGE in order to refarm the frequencies for higher-speed data. While this benefits former AT&T customers who bring their unlocked phones over to T-Mobile, for the few people like you who take a T-Mobile phone over to AT&T, it becomes a big problem. But, that is only for data use. Whether AT&T or T-Mobile, the voice service still runs on standard GSM and those frequencies are still served by both companies. Your Slide uses the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz for GSM service. AT&T serves GSM on the 850 and 1900 MHz bands, T-Mobile serves GSM on the 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz bands, but is now refarming the 1900/2100MHz service to HSPA+. Perhaps AT&T is now repurposing either the 850 or 1900MHz service in your area?
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That's most likely possible. I noticed the the 4G Slide only runs on HSDPA 1700 and 2100, neither of which are 3G bands for AT&T.
But the Samsung Relay does support AT&T 3G bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4914&idPhone2=4018
Does that mean an unlocked Samsung Relay will work on AT&T 3G?

gtmaster303 said:
That's most likely possible. I noticed the the 4G Slide only runs on HSDPA 1700 and 2100, neither of which are 3G bands for AT&T.
But the Samsung Relay does support AT&T 3G bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4914&idPhone2=4018
Does that mean an unlocked Samsung Relay will work on AT&T 3G?
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Yes, the Relay would give you voice calls and HSPA+ data on both AT&T and T-Mobile. There are a few other "pentaband" phones (I believe most new Samsung phones are so) that would give you voice and hspa+ on AT&T, T-Mobile, and most other networks around the world.
Note, my MT4GS gave me excellent voice and HSPA+ data while I was in China by using a China Unicom SIM that I purchased at Pudong airport. Before I left the US, I researched, there are two main GSM networks in China (plus a couple of proprietary TD-CDMA) and one of them uses the same frequencies as T-Mobile US, China Unicom.

Ok, so I guess I'm on my own then?
I know my problem is mainly a hardware one and there's only so much I can do. But I'll try whatever I can if anyone has ideas...
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gtmaster303 said:
Ok, so I guess I'm on my own then?
I know my problem is mainly a hardware one and there's only so much I can do. But I'll try whatever I can if anyone has ideas...
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2
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Yeah, you really can't confuse the data frequencies with the voice frequencies. T-Mobile and AT&T are always compatible voice/text with every phone. The dropped/broken up voice call issue isn't from incompatible frequencies, it is because of AT&T's crappy network. Data dropouts, however, would be due to frequency issues. If your T-Mobile phone has only EDGE or has HSPA+ for data, that has no bearing on the voice quality.

I'm not too sure about this but try disabling fast dormancy

Riyal said:
I'm not too sure about this but try disabling fast dormancy
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What is that and how do I do it?

On your build.prop
Enable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1
Disable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=0
Somehow I am having interminent signal lose in our country using mytouch 4g slide. But disabling the fast dormancy did fix the issue.
Before I disabled it I was having 70% to full signal but when using the phone for texting it suddenly drops to no signal. But when I disabled fast dormancy somehow it's stuck at 70% minimum now and never got a signal drop eversince.

Riyal said:
On your build.prop
Enable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1
Disable: ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=0
Somehow I am having interminent signal lose in our country using mytouch 4g slide. But disabling the fast dormancy did fix the issue.
Before I disabled it I was having 70% to full signal but when using the phone for texting it suddenly drops to no signal. But when I disabled fast dormancy somehow it's stuck at 70% minimum now and never got a signal drop eversince.
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sorry, maybe a little more noob friendly?
what the heck is a build.prop?
I downloaded an build.prop editor app. Where do I go from here?

gtmaster303 said:
sorry, maybe a little more noob friendly?
what the heck is a build.prop?
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If you have to ask, then don't touch it. It is one of the most important configuration files for an Android phone. Make a mistake and it is a real PITA to repair, at least for a newbie who doesn't know what a build.prop is to begin with. Please note, I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to prevent a tragic mistake. That said, you can read many guides on the build.prop and what many of the functions are and there are even build.prop editors that can take some of the hassle out of it.

Fuzi0719 said:
If you have to ask, then don't touch it. It is one of the most important configuration files for an Android phone. Make a mistake and it is a real PITA to repair, at least for a newbie who doesn't know what a build.prop is to begin with. Please note, I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to prevent a tragic mistake. That said, you can read many guides on the build.prop and what many of the functions are and there are even build.prop editors that can take some of the hassle out of it.
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Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where

gtmaster303 said:
Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where
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That one is good for someone who knows more about it. For a newbie (or even someone who does know more), I would suggest something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5qcnVtbXkuYXBwcy5idWlsZC5wcm9wLmVkaXRvciJd
It makes adding a new item (like what you want to do) easier. It also has some explanations for common tweaks, and can make a backup for you.

Listen to Fuzi about how important the file is.
When you want to experiment, why not make a copy of it and export to a computer?
You can use notepad++ to browse and edit it, and get to see the whole picture much more clearly then working with it on the device...

gtmaster303 said:
Ya, I get you
I downloaded this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nathan.jf.build.prop.editor&hl=en
From what I can make of it, each build.prop is more or less a script or a tweak or controlling some part of the phone
I'd be more than happy to try it out, but I'd like a step by step guide. Riyal's commands look simple enough. Just wondering to put what where
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In reality all you have to do is add them lines at the end of the build.prop, While it is an important file adding things to it is safe if at the end, removing or changing things are not unless you know what your doing.
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Blue6IX said:
Listen to Fuzi about how important the file is.
When you want to experiment, why not make a copy of it and export to a computer?
You can use notepad++ to browse and edit it, and get to see the whole picture much more clearly then working with it on the device...
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I honestly don't know how to do any of that. And how would I know whether or not it makes a difference to my phone if I'm editing it on a computer?
strapped365 said:
In reality all you have to do is add them lines at the end of the build.prop, While it is an important file adding things to it is safe if at the end, removing or changing things are not unless you know what your doing.
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Ok, so basically I add a new property?
It's asking me for a property name and property value.
I'm guessing the name can be whatever and the value is ro.ril.fast.dormancy.rule=1 and the other one in a separate entry?
Do I have to write enable and disable in the property value?
Sorry for all the questions, but I tend to be quite inquisitive when I'm treading in unfamiliar waters

Just remember that what you're doing on any computer must eventually be broken down to binary code. Binary code communicates in a series of off & ons and that being the case it already understands that a 0=off & a 1=on. That's my limited understanding of the theory anyway.