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Thought id make a thread of smartbech scores (no quadrant please!) so we could see how different ROM's are running with different Kernels. Please list=rom-kernel-freq. and any settings that will help people make choices. THANKS!
Mine,
ROM-Das BAMF 1.3.2
Kermel-Imoseyon 1.41 v.4
Set CPU- on demand
not that it matters much, but why is our smartbench so pathetically slow?
All these benchmarks are bogus, take with with a grain of salt...
magneticzero said:
All these benchmarks are bogus, take with with a grain of salt...
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I disagree that they are bogus, however I do agree that they should be used in context, continuous runs will show averages, if you are honest and are trying to set a baseline for performance and use this as a tool it can be useful. If all you are trying to do is show off, well your only cheating your self. I simply created this post for people to give feedback in a general area as to what Kernel they were using with what Rom and what performance they were seeing. I have not strayed from Das BAMF, but have tried several Kernels. Ijust wanted to hear from others who have also.
ROM- Das BAMF 1.3.2
Kernel- adrynalyne 1.3.2 3a Must say at 1.4Ghz this is very snappy
productivity-1605
games index-1524
ROM- Das BAMF 1.3.2
Kernel- richardtrip 1.76Ghz
productivity-2010
games index-1686
So is there any real difference between Quadrant and SmartBench? Are they just two different scoring methods?
this is bamf 1.3
bamf 1.8 kernel
nerozehl said:
So is there any real difference between Quadrant and SmartBench? Are they just two different scoring methods?
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2 different scoring methods but I read a post here some where (cant find it now) about how easily quadrant can be manipulated, for instance disabling stagefright gives higher scores, also it has been my experience that smartbench is more consistent.
hi guys!
ive been a week trying different roms and using different kernel OC and I could not get more than 3.400 to 1.4 ghz on "quadrant advance program. " install the ROM last night "infin1ty 1.0.0 RC | AOSP | Netarchy 1.3.0.6" ( 1.4 ghz) with the curious fact that descrption says: • IO Quadrant tweak with this rom achievements to 4.400 in quadrant. attached image to see I'm not lying. if anyone knows I need to do to make this happen with other roms, please let me know. I would like to know the reason for this. does anyone happen? excuse my English!
What the "partition hack" does is creating a separate partition in phone memory to trick quadrant to think that it is running the read/write test on SD card while it is actually reading/writing to phone memory thus results in unusually high I/O score.
This hack does not improve the speed of the phone or anything, it's just for showing off to your friends
If you really want to do it, just search for "quadrant hack" and I'm sure you'll find it. (on my phone now so it's not very convenient to find the link for you)
I'm running infin1ty too. But I've overclocked it to 1.3ghz. My score is 3790.
If you want your best score re-run Quadrant several times in a row without exiting the app. Last night on a fresh load of CM7 nightly without overclocking or hacking I was able to hit over 2600.
Cm7 with matrix kernel
My best score was 4536 with quadrant.
I has a 12,000,0000 quadrant on my mogul back in the day.
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mine broke once it hit 9000
sorry to burst bubbles. quadrant really means nothing. it just compares stock phones vs other stock phones at there current state. not am
4539 on mine!
My best was a 4595
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This post has been edited because I added Mandrobench results because it utilization of both cores. Mandrobench scores were identical for both kernels. Running Mandrobench at 1500 more than once tended to overheat my phone and cause reboots and other signs of instability.
One thing is clear, if you run either Faux or Trinity kernel you must OC at least to 1100 or you take a huge hit on performance.
I ran 4 different benchmarks on every configuration of CM 10 times with the Faux and Trinity kernels. I normalized the results so that each benchmark was evenly weighted and so the numbers are better understood they were normalized so that CM with its own kernel scores 100. All other numbers are relative to that. The 4 benchmarks were Quadrant, Smartbench 2011, Linpack, and Mandrobench. The results are a bit surprising, I am attaching the spreadsheet so that anyone can check my methodology.
CM w/CM kernel 1000 MHz score 100
CM w/Faux kernel 1000 MHz score 77
CM w/Faux kernel 1100 MHz score 104
CM w/Faux kernel 1200 MHz score 114
CM w/Faux kernel 1300 MHz score 123
CM w/Faux kernel 1500 MHz score 138
CM w/Trinity kernel 1000 MHz score 85
CM w/Trinity kernel 1100 MHz score 116
CM w/Trinity kernel 1200 MHz score 124
CM w/Trinity kernel 1400 MHz score 140
CM w/Trinity kernel 1500 MHz score 147
Test for each configuration were started following a reboot with a battery charged over 60%. They were run sequentially the same way for each configuration. Each number above was the result of the averaging a total of 30 benchmarks.
Interesting note, the first couple Quadrant scores on each run were generally lower than the rest, result of caching by the phone perhaps? On certain configurations the Smartbench results fluctuated wildly producing unexpectedly low scores. Not sure what the reason for this fluctuation but it is repeatable, at least on my phone, but only on certain configurations.
This took a long time, I am sharing it because I found the results unexpected and that they might be useful to somebody. Not everyone is dumb enough to sit and run benchmarks all day. Would be interesting to know how close the numbers are ran on another phone. I am intentionally only providing the numbers and my methodology, I will leave it to someone smarter to explain them.
Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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I agree, Mandrobench should have been included, I didn't originally because it has disappeared from the market. I have searched my back-ups and found the apk, so I will incorporated them into the experiment later today. It is my understanding that most current apps do not take advantage of the dual core, therefore the results from benchmarks that are not optimized for dual-core have significance.
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Above not available anymore on market - maybe post the .apk.
Let me start by saying thanks! This undoubtedly took a very long time and it was nice of you to share the results with everyone. Did you use only ext3 or ext4 kernels or a combination of both?
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I appreciate u sharing your results. Just a quick question. was ur battery life changed a lot while u overclocked it. Also what's the difference between ext4 and 3
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Mandrobench was added to my original post. These results were identical for both kernels.
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Let me start by saying thanks! This undoubtedly took a very long time and it was nice of you to share the results with everyone. Did you use only ext3 or ext4 kernels or a combination of both?
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Both kernels were ext4, made much easier to switch back and forth by the new version of clockwork.
Both of these are file systems and ext4 is newer and theoretically faster, probably more so on a computer where there are more read/writes to disc. I don't think any of these benchmarks test for this. Someone else may correct this as I don't know a lot about phones, I am a computer guy, and an out of date one at that.
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I appreciate u sharing your results. Just a quick question. was ur battery life changed a lot while u overclocked it. Also what's the difference between ext4 and 3
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Running consecutive benchmarks can kill a battery in 2 hours.
Battery life is a subjective, I haven't thought of a way to objectively test it. I feel I get the best battery life with CM with its own kernel or Eaglesblood Froyo. Bionix appears to eat batteries.
After seeing these results, I plan to run the Trinity UV11 kernel for awhile and see to see how good the battery life is. The performance increase appears significant for only OC to 1100 and I like the idea of getting the advantages of a little OC/UV without having to run Pimp my CPU.
I have gotten a clear increase (hours more idle time) by simply turning off 4G and only toggling it on when I need it. I use Pandora a lot and it ironically runs better at 2G when I am bicycling (less drops interruptions in the streaming as I move around).
Cubeology said:
Running consecutive benchmarks can kill a battery in 2 hours.
Battery life is a subjective, I haven't thought of a way to objectively test it. I feel I get the best battery life with CM with its own kernel or Eaglesblood Froyo. Bionix appears to eat batteries.
After seeing these results, I plan to run the Trinity UV11 kernel for awhile and see to see how good the battery life is. The performance increase appears significant for only OC to 1100 and I like the idea of getting the advantages of a little OC/UV without having to run Pimp my CPU.
I have gotten a clear increase (hours more idle time) by simply turning off 4G and only toggling it on when I need it. I use Pandora a lot and it ironically runs better at 2G when I am bicycling (less drops interruptions in the streaming as I move around).
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Really? I found that these 2 kernels gave me better battery life then the stock cm7 kernel. Also can you add antutu benchmark to the list?
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Really? I found that these 2 kernels gave me better battery life then the stock cm7 kernel. Also can you add antutu benchmark to the list?
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you are also quoting and talking about a response from 6 months ago which was beginning stages for cm7 on this phone especially kernels lol... Glad you are getting great performance and battery though.
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you are also quoting and talking about a response from 6 months ago which was beginning stages for cm7 on this phone especially kernels lol... Glad you are getting great performance and battery though.
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LOL oops I need to start learning to read dates.. -.-
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some one should run tests again
I tested Trinity vs Faux in AnTuTu and got pretty much same results on charger,but off charger Trinity got about 50 more (6000 off charger and 6125 while charging)
I use UV kernels clocked at 1100.
Switched to Faux because Trinity has bugs like reboot hangs the phone and sometimes waking up take a while. Also boot image and animations are not that nice and boot sound with kernel doesn't even seem to be working.....
Trinity 6004-6120
Faux 5918-6124
CM Stock around 5500
kolyan said:
some one should run tests again
I tested Trinity vs Faux in AnTuTu and got pretty much same results on charger,but off charger Trinity got about 50 more (6000 off charger and 6125 while charging)
I use UV kernels clocked at 1100.
Switched to Faux because Trinity has bugs like reboot hangs the phone and sometimes waking up take a while. Also boot image and animations are not that nice and boot sound with kernel doesn't even seem to be working.....
Trinity 6004-6120
Faux 5918-6124
CM Stock around 5500
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Why are you getting such low scores? Not OC'd maybe? I'm using Fauxs newest kernel and my Antutu score was 7566. Average scores around 7300-7600
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Why are you getting such low scores? Not OC'd maybe? I'm using Fauxs newest kernel and my Antutu score was 7566. Average scores around 7300-7600
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Faux's newest kernel is ~1.5 correct?
He's probably using the Trinity battery saving kernel clocked at 1.1 and undervolted.
I use the Trinity 1.1GHz kernel and undervolt to -200mV (for the lower ones, leave the top three at stock for stability reasons) and I score around 6100 in Antutu.
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Faux's newest kernel is ~1.5 correct?
He's probably using the Trinity battery saving kernel clocked at 1.1 and undervolted.
I use the Trinity 1.1GHz kernel and undervolt to -200mV (for the lower ones, leave the top three at stock for stability reasons) and I score around 6100 in Antutu.
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That makes sense. I just did a benchmark @1.1ghz and I got 6007. Ya the Faux kernel max is @1.5ghz. Its undervolted too, not much, just enough to get great battery life.
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I said in post that I use UV kernels clocked at 1100mhz
I now use Trinity Kernel because Faux did not have 216Mhz option in SetCPU. I also UVed by -25 for now and set charging profile to 400+ Mhz to avoid SoD
I wonder whats the difference in battery life if you use 1100Mhz or 1500Mhz ?
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I said in post that I use UV kernels clocked at 1100mhz
I now use Trinity Kernel because Faux did not have 216Mhz option in SetCPU. I also UVed by -25 for now and set charging profile to 400+ Mhz to avoid SoD
I wonder whats the difference in battery life if you use 1100Mhz or 1500Mhz ?
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It's a significant difference. I don't have any data to back it up. But I've accidentally left it on the max after a benchmark and it would be in a free fall. Especially when playing a 3D game like MC3
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I've tried using both Kernels as well as stock. Granted they both seem to run better then stock, I'm currently on Trinity with Standard Voltage, because the Under voltage versions of both Faux and trinity seemed to freeze on reboots for whatever reason. They both appear to run about the same set at 1100 which is what I've set to.
I'd like to say thank you for performing scientific and useful benchmarks!
Yes, I FINALLY did it!!! I overclocked my G2X. I would appreciate if anyone could share their experiences with o.c. pros and cons... Should I retreat or stay where I am? Please some feed back!
Over 1300 seems to cause trouble on mine.
i dont think oc'ing is really that necessary with a phone this fast but if u must i wouldn't go above 1.3 (just seems unstable above that). I think the "Pros" come from being able to underclock. Setting up profiles for uc'ing when screen is off or as battery level drops etc really prolongs the life of the battery (at least in my case)
On my OG droid that came limited at 550 mhz, ya, oc'ing was def necessary but I cant really think of any "Pros" for oc'ing this phone.
each phone is different though so play around and you'll find a combination that works great for your phone, good luck
Well... you can get some serious bench scores... This thing rocks the Mandelbrot multithread test in smartbench 2011 at 1.5 ghz. Other than that it helps with games.
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Well... you can get some serious bench scores... This thing rocks the Mandelbrot multithread test in smartbench 2011 at 1.5 ghz. Other than that it helps with games.
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What about the CPU not having enough cooling and frying the CPU over time. I presume its just like Desktop overclocking but without all the extra cooling you can add to make it safe for the hardware.
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What about the CPU not having enough cooling and frying the CPU over time. I presume its just like Desktop overclocking but without all the extra cooling you can add to make it safe for the hardware.
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But what i really want to know is if oc could damage the phone. After all if there is that danger it's noy worth it...
In all honesty I used to be really into benchmark scores and OCing the heck out of my phone and under volting it in the process but that led to many battery pulls ect. What I've noticed is just keep it at stock and mild uving seems to be the best for me its stable decently fast just 2 cents though
Overclocking a cpu is the same as on a pc, only a bit more dangerous on a phone. (This phone already has overheating problems running at stock speeds ) On a computer, people pay a premium for parts that are easily overclocked, and have either very good fans/heatsinks or a liquid cooling rig.
Overclocking is dangerous, especially because not all chips are going to be made equal, even if they come off the same production line. These chips are designed to run at a certain voltage, and certain clock speed. As far as real world use, (NOT benchmarks. Sure, they look pretty and all, but benchmarks are never very accurate.)
Sure, you might get 2-3 more fps on your games, but is that worth the risk of shortening the life of your chip/phone?
(And just so you know, I've been building/overclocking pc's for years, but I also understand what you need to do to keep it stable, and it's *all about cooling*.)
If you're not convinced, try this. Don't overclock your phone, and use it for a few days. Tell me honestly that you really notice a real-usable difference with the chip overclocked or not. (Games set aside, but like I said, getting a couple extra fps on a game to me isn't worth the risk without a proper cooling setup)
For those of you that really don't understand what you're doing to your chips when you overclock, I'd suggest doing some reading about it. A good place to start would be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking
So you think using fauxs kernel is not safe or reduces the life of the chip? I just flashed it and didnt oc or uv further then fauxs default settings...
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I'm not saying it's for sure, I'm saying there's a chance.
Plus keep in mind that these kernels have other really nice additions besides overclocking and undervolting. I'm using faux's stock voltage kernel ext4, and leaving it at stock settings, and it really works great.
I just posted this up because I see a lot of people more interested in quadrant scores (which to me are pretty useless) than stability of their phones. If you do overclock, and it works for you, more power to you. I just want to inform people. I'd HIGHLY suggest if you aren't sure, read that wiki article, it's a great place to start. (not all information is there, but it gives a very good general idea on how and what overclocking is.)
Thanks! i always like reading knowledgeable and informative posts!
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I'm not saying it's for sure, I'm saying there's a chance.
Plus keep in mind that these kernels have other really nice additions besides overclocking and undervolting. I'm using faux's stock voltage kernel ext4, and leaving it at stock settings, and it really works great.
I just posted this up because I see a lot of people more interested in quadrant scores (which to me are pretty useless) than stability of their phones. If you do overclock, and it works for you, more power to you. I just want to inform people. I'd HIGHLY suggest if you aren't sure, read that wiki article, it's a great place to start. (not all information is there, but it gives a very good general idea on how and what overclocking is.)
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OK, you definitely convinced me.... I have also faux (let me tell you exactly - Kernel Version 2.6.32.9 FR Faux 123-v0.03) on EagleBlood 1.05. Could you please tell me what I need to do set up in order to be safe? Thanks!
I'd just go to faux's thread in the development section (his froyo thread, not the cm7 one, since you're using eagleblood), and download his stock voltage kernel. (It's in the first post.) He's on .04 now, by the way.
Then reboot into recovery, and flash the file you downloaded. It'll overwrite your current kernel and modules with the new one, then reboot.
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I'd just go to faux's thread in the development section (his froyo thread, not the cm7 one, since you're using eagleblood), and download his stock voltage kernel. (It's in the first post.) He's on .04 now, by the way.
Then reboot into recovery, and flash the file you downloaded. It'll overwrite your current kernel and modules with the new one, then reboot.
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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You passed right by it. LGE stock froyo. (That doesn't mean it's a stock froyo rom, it means it's *based* on one )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102720
Choose the stock voltage one. (ext3 or 4, depending on your preference.)
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You passed right by it. LGE stock froyo. (That doesn't mean it's a stock froyo rom, it means it's *based* on one )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102720
Choose the stock voltage one. (ext3 or 4, depending on your preference.)
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Thanks you've been very helpful. That's why I made this post I hope this can help other people as well as it's helped me! )
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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And a lot of times the kernel will be credited to the developer. So if you see "faux's kernel" people are referring to kernels by faux123. Trinity kernels were developed by morfic. If you are having a hard time finding a specific one, look at the top left to see who started the thread and sometimes that will help find it. Does that make sense? I had to pull an overnight at work so I am a little loopy....
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I have used Weapon G2x R1 and RG2X MIUI, both with the latest Faux overclocking kernel. I have used both SetCPU and CPU Master. Both apps gain super user access and seem to be functioning properly... however whenever I run the benchmark apps, the results don't seem to be any different when I have the CPU set at 1ghz or 1.5ghz.... it's the same results across both OC apps and ROMs.
The phone doesn't seem to get warm as most people report when overclocking, nor is there any stability issues.
Underclocking does seem to work.
I know quadrant scores don't mean much, but I would certainly expect there to be a difference between the scores at 1ghz and 1.5ghz. The score ranges between 2200 and 3000, but never over 3000.
There isn't any other apps installed on the phone other than what comes with the ROMs.
Am I missing something or is it an inability for my specific CPU to be overclocked?
Thanks in advance.
Try Antutu Benchmark instead. It'll show the frequency at the bottom while testing.
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I will give it a try, thanks. I will report results after.
Thanks, the_king13, it would seem the benchmark app I was using wasn't incredibly detailed in the results.
The Antutu Benchmark app shows some pretty big performance differences when I change between the frequencies.
Thanks!
Glad to be of help. Happy overclocking!
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