I was just thinking everyone is bummed about not having a full working cwm to do a full restore. But when u screw up its Odin to the call. right? I just don't see why we need full CWM when we can use Odin if we mess up. As far as getting things back to normal (setting,icons,wallpapers,etc.) U can use advanced restore to put everything back the way it was before the flash but still keep the effects of new kernels and roms. So i ask this why all the fuss? Also maybe someone could elaborate on the mount issue. Is it only when you try to do a full restore Or flash certain Roms? Oh yea and this is a noob asking.
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It's mostly a question of convenience. If we get a fully functioning cwm it can be directly booted in to replacing the stock recovery. More importantly it can be incorporated into Rom Manager which makes lots of things easier and more standardized. Things like flashing roms and kernels or restoring backups and making fixes would be much easier and all right there in rom manager/cwm.
As far as Odin/heimdal goes yes that works for installing roms, restoring from soft bricks, etc. but is no substitute for a nandroid backup/restore which is great for reverting to a former configurations fully and easily after trying out new roms, kernels, etc.
There are other reasons it would be great to have a finished cwm but what we have now is not that bad since it can do most of the important things we need.
I am still interested in what I hear that people are restoring full nandroid backups successfully. The official word is that its not unmounting properly during format function in a restore, at least that's what I understand. If full restore is actually working as some are claiming then I'm not sure what is actually left undone.
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It's mostly a question of convenience. If we get a fully functioning cwm it can be directly booted in to replacing the stock recovery. More importantly it can be incorporated into Rom Manager which makes lots of things easier and more standardized. Things like flashing roms and kernels or restoring backups and making fixes would be much easier and all right there in rom manager/cwm.
As far as Odin/heimdal goes yes that works for installing roms, restoring from soft bricks, etc. but is no substitute for a nandroid backup/restore which is great for reverting to a former configurations fully and easily after trying out new roms, kernels, etc.
There are other reasons it would be great to have a finished cwm but what we have now is not that bad since it can do most of the important things we need.
I am still interested in what I hear that people are restoring full nandroid backups successfully. The official word is that its not unmounting properly during format function in a restore, at least that's what I understand. If full restore is actually working as some are claiming then I'm not sure what is actually left undone.
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So basically it would take the need for a PC out. Plus make restoring full backup possible (also tried full restore and got mounting error). Thanks for the info. So is it do to lack of devolopment and devs that r device is not so popular or the mounting issue. Thanks again.
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Damn you got the mounting error....i thought that worked...wtf
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Why am I testing post that your alter to do a full restore...pretty misleading
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Why am I testing post that your alter to do a full restore...pretty misleading
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Just curious..... Have u tried the full restore yet on CWM? If so what where your results??? I have to admit i finally have my 4g running and set up just how i want it and im a little nervous to try it out(i have done a couple advanced restores) for fear me and my old friend odin might end up getting back together a little sooner than i had planned!
Well wait maybe I'm confused..advanced restores are not nandroid restore?...
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Well wait maybe I'm confused..advanced restores are not nandroid restore?...
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Advanced restore lets you restore just not full restore. It gives you the option to restore system,data,ect one at a time. However I have not tried to restore system just data. Like I said before couldn't full restore due to mounting issue. Also I think nandroid backup is just another term for a full backup of basicly the exact state of the phone at the time back up is done. If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me.
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Ah so it sounds like there is still a mounting related error after all. And yes you got it about right. A full nandroid restore basically brings your phone back to 100% exactly the state it was in when you backed it up.
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Totally clear on that considering I've been in this since the g1 with RAs recovery..that guy was so hardcore with yhe recovery....so what does the state of the phone look like after you do a restore?
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You hit the nail on the head....
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So wait nandroid backup and restore doesnt work for some people?
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So wait nandroid backup and restore doesnt work for some people and for some it does?
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Let's clear up the confusion...
As I posted on the Wiki, I have successfully done a Nandroid backup and a Nandroid restore... In both cases the "system" was identified as being backed up (or restored).
I have repeated this several times, the most recent being this morning. But, in an effort to not dispute krylon360, I've posted a targeted question to him in his thread announcing CWM3.0.2.8Beta.
I am hopeful of his response!
I was just wondering cause it works for me all the time and I thought it was working for everybody.
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It is....they say it works with bali kernal, you can't use the stock kernal..I've tested and confirmed
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I was just thinking everyone is bummed about not having a full working cwm to do a full restore. But when u screw up its Odin to the call. right? I just don't see why we need full CWM when we can use Odin if we mess up. As far as getting things back to normal (setting,icons,wallpapers,etc.) U can use advanced restore to put everything back the way it was before the flash but still keep the effects of new kernels and roms. So i ask this why all the fuss? Also maybe someone could elaborate on the mount issue. Is it only when you try to do a full restore Or flash certain Roms? Oh yea and this is a noob asking.
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restore definitely works on cwm.... u all r kinda being wild... there are already threads on this... look at the development thread for clockworkmod... comparing odin to cwm psshhh
Nothing wrong with odin. Nothing wrong with cwm. I have been backing up and restoring with cwm for a while now. Still don't know if it's a true "nandroid" backup but it restores everything but my lock screen wallpaper. Everytime without fail. So good that I have not had to use odin or titanium. I'm even sure I could odin at this point and get all of it back through cwm. Follow the steps for setting it up you should be fine. I'm running whites KD1 and have been since it came out.(**** I might have to Odin now just to check it out) How do you use Odin again?
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Okay I am staring this thread because there are mixed answers in the official update thread and this might give one spot for noobs like me that are not flash addicts a place to find the quick answer.
Here is my setup:I am rooted, running a bone stock JH7 rom, ROM Manager installed, Circle Battery Mod installed, other than that no custom kernels, modems, radios, etc. I do have a couple programs that require root access like ROM Manager, AdFree, and ClockSync. Already installed kies mini and have it all set up per the instructions on samsung's website. Just waiting for the update to go live.
Here are my questions:
1) Do I need to unroot?
2) Do I or should I uninstall any apps that require root access or change the recovery image (ROM Manager/Clockwork Recovery)
3) Should I remove both my external SD and my SIM prior to flashing?
4) What data will I lose and how do I back it up? (I have read that SD cards are left alone just system data like call logs, sms, contacts, email setup, saved passwords are lost) I have Lookout installed so I know my contacts are backed up.
5) Could someone way smarter than me please do a quick write up that is more detailed on the steps needed to complete this update AND keep all your data? I don't mind reinstalling apps (just hope I don't lose all of my angry birds progress )
All of these questions are not address in any of the "official" information other than "you should back up any data you don't want to lose" but gives no steps on how to do it.
Same question here, I'm rooted with TiBU and voodoo lagfix and that's it., well besides deleting all bloatware. Still on eclair jh7. Wish I had done lagfix months ago, but I don't have a computer.
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same here, anyone guys help us out?ill add mine, I also installed OCLF by ryanz, do I need to undo the lagfix? or better to restore factory reset the phone before the update tom? ty, nooobs here >.<
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If you have a modded phone the smart thing would be to wait at least a few days before installing the update in case the rollout doesn't go as planned. These are the kind of things AT$T has probably been dreading as far as Froyo is concerned because I'm sure that come tomorrow their customer service lines are gonna be blazing like a CA wildfire due to issues with not completely stock phones and thousands of different configurations causing update glitches. I wouldn't be in such a hurry to update until I see how it goes for the "gotta have it now" sheep taking the first plunge.
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same here, anyone guys help us out?ill add mine, I also installed OCLF by ryanz, do I need to undo the lagfix? or better to restore factory reset the phone before the update tom? ty, nooobs here >.<
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Remember OCLF is bad, Mmmkay? Better lagfixes such as Voodoo and ULF
All lag fix should be removed. Otherwise, you will very likely end up with a bricked phone.
You can install Kies Mini now and connect your phone. If your phone is recognized without problem, you're good to go. Kies Mini is your only way to update the firmware.
I can't answer most of your questions, but I will recommend getting Titanium Backup. You can at least backup your app data since you're so concerned about your Angry Birds score. I think you can probably restore that after flash.
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I can't answer most of your questions, but I will recommend getting Titanium Backup. You can at least backup your app data since you're so concerned about your Angry Birds score. I think you can probably restore that after flash.
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I lost my angry bird scores when my phone did a soft brick lol. I'm just saying. I had it backed up with tbu. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted
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I lost my angry bird scores when my phone did a soft brick lol. I'm just saying. I had it backed up with tbu. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted
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Did you copy the TiBU folder to your PC after doing a batch backup of your apps? That's the only way to reliably save a backup.
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Did you copy the TiBU folder to your PC after doing a batch backup of your apps? That's the only way to reliably save a backup.
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No. lol. I was going to, then my phone just stopped working in the middle of the day. But ima deff do that when I get home b4 froyo.
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Not to be a negative Nancy, I understand some want to stay as close as possible to stock, but I'd just wait for a custom ROM to be built that de-bloats, adds speed, better GPS, etc... Cog 4 has a really stock look, and works really well; check it out. And with time there will only be others that will improve on the great ROM's we already have!
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No. lol. I was going to, then my phone just stopped working in the middle of the day. But ima deff do that when I get home b4 froyo.
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The other smart thing to do would be locate the TiBu backup folder on the external SD card. That way even a brick requiring reformatting the internal sdcard partition can be fully recovered from. Just take out the external card while restoring to stock, then root, get TiBu, point it to the reinserted external sd card, and boom, back in business.
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The other smart thing to do would be locate the TiBu backup folder on the external SD card. That way even a brick requiring reformatting the internal sdcard partition can be fully recovered from. Just take out the external card while restoring to stock, then root, get TiBu, point it to the reinserted external sd card, and boom, back in business.
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Nice. Thanx for the info. Will do
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hmm do you think it is better to do the factory data reset before I update to froyo?coz I installed the oclf ( too late >.< )and I dnt know how to disable it, I'm in stock, never tried to flash rom, but rooted, my internal memord is now is 98mb, sorry I'm noob
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All lag fix should be removed. Otherwise, you will very likely end up with a bricked phone.
You can install Kies Mini now and connect your phone. If your phone is recognized without problem, you're good to go. Kies Mini is your only way to update the firmware.
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hmm do you think it is better to do the factory data reset before I update to froyo?coz I installed the oclf ( too late >.< )and I dnt know how to disable it, I'm in stock, never tried to flash rom, but rooted, my internal memord is now is 98mb, sorry I'm noob
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You should use OCLF app to remove the lag fix. Don't do factory reset or flash another ROM. You may brick your phone that way. That's why I don't use any lagfix.
oh ok ill give it a shot, thnx man!
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oh ok ill give it a shot, thnx man!
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Yes You should be a bone stock when updating. No lagfixes, custom kernel, nothing.
All questions for the 2.2 update are in the main thread
At this point I've tried every method of flashing, and every version of cwmr. No matter what version or method I use, after about a week, I lose the ability to flash any roms that I havnt already flashed. I also can only restore certain backups due to.an MD5 mismatch. Has anyone else had these issues?
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hey, unfortunately i cant help you. I havent even been able to flash cm7 once. always boot loop.
md5 sums are giving me mismatch with some the original restore (nandroid) from this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048274
Yea, a guy In the cm7 thread its going to post a dl that worked for him so ill try that one and let u guys know as far as cm7 goes.
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I just want to revert to stock so I can get a replacement lol... maybe if you have one I can try :-/ I just deleted mine by accident (read the dates wrong)
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I just want to revert to stock so I can get a replacement lol... maybe if you have one I can try :-/ I just deleted mine by accident (read the dates wrong)
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Download the stock with root and use one click root to unroot after that use one click recovery and pick stock. Than hard reset your back on tmobile out the box stock
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At this point I've tried every method of flashing, and every version of cwmr. No matter what version or method I use, after about a week, I lose the ability to flash any roms that I havnt already flashed. I also can only restore certain backups due to.an MD5 mismatch. Has anyone else had these issues?
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No issues like this. I reverted back to other roms more than once and it worked everytime. No mismatch error
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Download the stock with root and use one click root to unroot after that use one click recovery and pick stock. Than hard reset your back on tmobile out the box stock
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Ya I downloaded it and everything and tried different ways and it wont let restore, just says md5 sums mismatched tried 2 sdcards and downloading them in root of sd card and directly in the CWM/restore folder. still a no go, but I can restore other backups and flsh roms. just not the one i need.
Probably won't get to it till thursday or so, but im going to try and go back to completely stock, reroot, reflash cwr, flash cm7. Otherwise im getting a replacement...
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The dl posted in another thread for me failed as well. I also had an intense the other day where all my partitions were completely wiped. It took 3 hours to finally get nv flash to flash cwr and flash a rom.
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Probably won't get to it till thursday or so, but im going to try and go back to completely stock, reroot, reflash cwr, flash cm7. Otherwise im getting a replacement...
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I have a feeling im going to return another one thatll make 4
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My SD was bad! Reformatted in cwr, then in settings SD and storage... dl cm7, and flashed. Just remember to copy ALL the contents of your sdcard cause formatting WILL DELETE EVERYTHING!
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Ok if anyone is still having problems, id like to mention that I exchanged my 5 year old 2g simcard yesterday for a new one, and bought a new 16gb class 4 sandisk sdcard, and EVERYTHING is working great! so far maybe only 2 or 3 occurrences of data loss, easily corrected with a battery pull. And I borked some lib files trying to get the camcorder to work. So I installed the kanged version update-cm-7.1.0-RC0-G2x-KANG-signed.zip overtop of my build to get the rom to boot again, and now the camcorder works! Maybe only about 15fps but works nonetheless...
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quick question, I see in cwm under mounts and storage you can format /system. If I do that would I lose cwm while i'm in it? I'm figuring I would just have to reflash but I don't want to do it and be sol. Just looking for some reassurance.
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quick question, I see in cwm under mounts and storage you can format /system. If I do that would I lose cwm while i'm in it? I'm figuring I would just have to reflash but I don't want to do it and be sol. Just looking for some reassurance.
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The recovery file on Froyo is located in /system/bin. On my Gingerbread ROM it's found under /sbin. I believe it needs supporting files, though, so even though it's in /sbin on GB I can't say whether you'd be hosed or not.
Regardless, why would you want to format /system anyway? You might as well just flash a new ROM, eh?
/scratches head...why would you want to do that? I don't think you would lose CWM but I do know that doing a data wipe would probably be potentially less destructive if you are having issues and you definitely would not lose CWM.
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Well I have a sound issue it randomly goes away then I have to reboot. I haven't used poison out heimdall but 1 time since
flashing all these rooms i'm just looking for things to do to fix the problem
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Have you tried fixing permissions?
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Well I have a sound issue it randomly goes away then I have to reboot. I haven't used poison out heimdall but 1 time since
flashing all these rooms i'm just looking for things to do to fix the problem
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You're not following the instructions in the op.
I have reproduced your issue. You're doing it wrong.
Follow my heimdall one-click with the sms kj6 jar in the collection.
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I can't use heimdall my phone can't let any PC see it.
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Also I tried to fix permissions, clear data and try different kernels
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Have you gotten into download mode?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_4G#Download_Mode
Yeah I can get in download mode, I've tried various things several times. I just can't get any PC to see my phone. But it sees my wifes fine. She has the galaxy s 4g but its untouched. I was told I may have screwed up some files within the phone because of using
Odin.
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Get into download mode:
Try flashing the SMS KJ6 file.
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I have always used CWM but am wondering if there is an updated version of it that creates a nandroid backup with the proper date name? If not does anyone know if twrp also has this issue?
thanks in advance
You can change the names in rom manager.
Cwm all the way. 6.0.1.2 touch is fast, stable, has not let me down
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If you change the names though, don't you have to change them exactly back if you ever go to restore a nandroid? i read that somewhere, something about changing the mdsum when you rename it?
Thanks
Not that I am aware of, just did a restore last week on a custom name. But don't hold me to that, as I do not fully know. Alot of my apps had to be reinstalled due to force closures. Is that a result of renaming?....... Not sure
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Twrp has the same issue. It's odd. And from my experience, changing the name in Twrp makes it unable to restore.
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If you change the names though, don't you have to change them exactly back if you ever go to restore a nandroid? i read that somewhere, something about changing the mdsum when you rename it?
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No.
I just leave what they have for the name and add what I want afterwards.
Hasn't failed me in 2+ years....
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If you change the names though, don't you have to change them exactly back if you ever go to restore a nandroid? i read that somewhere, something about changing the mdsum when you rename it?
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I always rename my cwm backups. Never had any problem with dozens of restores.
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I always rename my cwm backups. Never had any problem with dozens of restores.
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Same here
That's what I'll do from now on, keep cwm's default name and tag a little custom name behind it.
My question earlier about having to uninstall and reinstall my apps after a restore, any input on that?
A good chunk of them would keep popping up a screen saying: xxxx has stopped suddenly had to force close. Or something on those lines. Why? Restore should return all data/permissions...
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Download cwm from market, have it flash the latest official release, and profit. I don't know why people suddenly have an obsession with random cwm and twrp versions flashed through whatever.
No ez recovery here my friend.
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It's mostly just a matter of preference. I like CWM Touch more than TWRP just based on feel. However, AFAIK there isn't a version of CWM for our phone with working ADB. Which means, if your flash goes awry you have to jump through hoops to fix it (pulling your SD card to put files on it, or restoring a nandroid). TWRP doesn't have ADB either, and USB mounting appears to be broken, but at least it has a built in file manager and (more importantly) terminal. For this reason, I'm currently using TWRP, but as soon as I can find a version of CWM Touch with working ADB I'm switching back to that.
On a side note, you can definitely rename backups in CWM and TWRP, as long as you avoid certain characters. For example, changing the name of a backup in CWM to something with a space in it will cause the MD5 check to fail when trying to restore. I'm not sure which other characters cause problems, but I always rename mine with letters, underscores, and numbers and can restore without issue.
I prefer twrp because it looks a lot nicer than cwm... it more or less personal preference
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Hello everybody. I need some clearance. My final goal in the Scheme of things is to Back up all my data, install the newest version of Cyanogen Mod, Restore Cyanogen so that i get all my apps and data back, and then eventually restore everything to stock so I can trade in he phone, and then repeat the process with a new phone. Can anybody tell me some of the first things I should do, to nudge me in the right direction?
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Back it up on Google.
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www.dropbox.com
Also, read more. Some of the things you want to do can't be done in the order you want, and restoring a Nandroid from a different device is a great way to brick.
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It's also not a good idea to restore app data (via something like Titanium Backup) between different ROMs.
There's an app called. Scandisk that will b/u your internal sd to your ext sd. User data only I believe.
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stoopendis said:
There's an app called. Scandisk that will b/u your internal sd to your ext sd. User data only I believe.
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You can also just plug it into a computer and copy it off to your hard drive.
But to the OP, I would heed the warnings about restoring a nandroid backup on a different phone.
I'm not sure I follow the logic of installing a custom ROM only to restore to stock and trade the device in.
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You can also just plug it into a computer and copy it off to your hard drive.
But to the OP, I would heed the warnings about restoring a nandroid backup on a different phone.
I'm not sure I follow the logic of installing a custom ROM only to restore to stock and trade the device in.
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I think the OP wants to get a ROM running on their current phone then Nandroid it and restore the Nandroid on a different phone. Even on the exact same model of phones, restoring a different phone's Nandroid is an excellent way to get yourself a very expensive paperweight.
To clarify my logic, i wanted to turn in my phone in about a year, so I have a year to mess around on Cyanogen Mod, then when my phone contract expires down the way, upgrade my phone.
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Use Google and tibu and you should have everything backed up while you play around with your phone. heed the advice on not updating app data, apps are ok, with Tibu.
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To clarify my logic, i wanted to turn in my phone in about a year, so I have a year to mess around on Cyanogen Mod, then when my phone contract expires down the way, upgrade my phone.
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What provider are you with? I don't know of any that make you trade in old phones.
That said, I would definitely not try restoring a nandroid from one phone to another, even if it's the same model.
Even restoring data from a Titanium Backup would be dicey. The best I'd do would be to restore apps only (or better yet, just download them again on the new phone). It doesn't take that long to set things back up on a new phone.
Restoring Nandroid from one phone to another of the same model is fine. It works on Android phones since the beginning of time, as long as the backup includes only /system, /boot and /data. In that case it's also a non-damaging action, since on Skyrocket, like on HTC phones, there is no Samsung weirdness of holding a recovery in the kernel, but recovery is a separate partition - and you can still boot to recovery, even if you restored a corrupted backup, so no need even for Odin.
I don't restore system data from Tibu period, even if it's just dumping it right back onto the same ROM. I've had too many problems in the past with it corrupting something or another, or causing countless FC's that fixing permissions doesn't solve, requiring a clean wipe and reflash.
I've never had a problem flashing app data, just so long as you go through the list of apps carefully and make sure that absolutely nothing system or stock (including stock email, calendar, browser, etc) is being saved. Restore user apps and user app data ONLY with Tibu and you're pretty safe.
I'm with AT&T. By trade in, I ment selling it back to AT&T for some cash value back. And I can be mistaken, but don't they also place your old sim card into your new phone?
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Yea, they usually use the same SIM. You want to trade it in in a year and you're worrying about this s..t now? You'll probably brick it before then.
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Yeah. Mid January of 2014. That's when. And thanks for the good luck :/
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atomictom123 said:
Yeah. Mid January of 2014. That's when. And thanks for the good luck :/
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So you've got a year to read up and learn how to not brick your phone doing it, then? There are stickies at the top of each forum. Combined, they explain how to do about 95-97% of what the typical XDA user will do with their Skyrocket. Before you can do what you want to do, you have to understand why parts of it are impossible to do in the order you want to do them, and why other parts are risky to the point that you might, if you're not careful, screw up any chance of resale.
Thanks TJ. I'll take you up on that.
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