I know this is probably more for Microsoft Surface Developer Section but seeing how I am still pretty new I don't have enough post to be able to post in that area.
I am mainly curious if anyone knows the pin outs for the Touch/Type Cover connector on the bottom of the tablet and if it uses standard USB or if it is some kind of special propitiatory type connection that would say connect the keyboard membrane to the keyboard controller that may be in the tablet? If it is just a standard USB connection I am thinking about cannibalizing a touch cover to see if I can create a home Grown Dock so to speak for the tablet that would have a USB hub for keyboard and mouse and a USB to Ethernet adapter that works with the tablet. The USB hub will draw power from a modified Power Cord for the tablet IF I can figure out that electrical later on to where it wont fry my tablet or other accessories but first I need to figure out the first part.
TLDR Does anyone know if the touch/type cover user a standard USB protocol and if so what is the pin layout for the connector on the tablet. If anyone can help that would be appreciated.
I just received a surface and they through in 2 type covers. said, "keep it" on a sticky note. I am now working on figuring out what the connectors are. I dont see the point of having 6 connectors, so I think that some may be ground or false. I will open up one of the keyboards to see what ships they are connecting to. i would think it has to be usb. I know that the 6th pin, that is 6th from the left pin, is 1.8v when grounded. I am guessing that the voltage goes up once the surface detects the attached keyboard. I will write back, let me know if you have figured anything else out. seems like we are hte only people on the internet who even care at this point. and microsoft is literally giving away surface computers.
Greg00135 said:
I know this is probably more for Microsoft Surface Developer Section but seeing how I am still pretty new I don't have enough post to be able to post in that area.
I am mainly curious if anyone knows the pin outs for the Touch/Type Cover connector on the bottom of the tablet and if it uses standard USB or if it is some kind of special propitiatory type connection that would say connect the keyboard membrane to the keyboard controller that may be in the tablet? If it is just a standard USB connection I am thinking about cannibalizing a touch cover to see if I can create a home Grown Dock so to speak for the tablet that would have a USB hub for keyboard and mouse and a USB to Ethernet adapter that works with the tablet. The USB hub will draw power from a modified Power Cord for the tablet IF I can figure out that electrical later on to where it wont fry my tablet or other accessories but first I need to figure out the first part.
TLDR Does anyone know if the touch/type cover user a standard USB protocol and if so what is the pin layout for the connector on the tablet. If anyone can help that would be appreciated.
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any progress?
i already build a power wire, with a 5,5mm plug to connect it to my Intocircuit PC26000 for more juice on the go, and for a second charger.
you can see the pinouts of the power plug in the attatched pic.
let me know if you got any results for the cover connector so far - if its USB, i will implement my UMTS stick into a cover
Cheers!
just got pictures of the cover connector, see attatchment.
in fact all the 6 pins are connected. USB 2.0 would take 4 of them.
my guess is that one of them could be a switch, to turn the device & keyboard on and off.
any progress
Curious if anyone has made any progress on decoding the pinout, figuring out if it's usb or not?
i didn't do any further research - but it guess it's usb, or at least kind of... as it shows up as USB device in the device manager...
tfBullet said:
just got pictures of the cover connector, see attatchment.
in fact all the 6 pins are connected. USB 2.0 would take 4 of them.
my guess is that one of them could be a switch, to turn the device & keyboard on and off.
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Judging by the connector and the fact that the covers are USB-based and can be used reversed, the pinout makes perfect sense. The likely possibility for the pinout is as follows:
Power Cover connector (Using pin labels in picture)
1/10 = Power cover +ve
2/9 = Power cover Ground
Touch/Type connector (Using pin labels in picture)
3 = +ve
4 = Ground
5/6 = Data +ve or -ve (reversible internally)
7/8 = Attachment direction detect
Pins on Touch/Type cover itself (Pinout from left [1] to right [6])
1/6 = +ve
2/5 = Ground
3/4 = Data +ve or -ve (reversible internally)
As to if the USB data pairs are swapped on the SP or the Cover, we cannot know without more information. Depending on the voltage supplied or the presence of unauthorised hardware detection (e.g. the ID chip in Apple earphones, I doubt it), custom USB devices should be fairly trivial (electrically).
I know this is an old thread but has anyone made any further progress on this? If not, I'm considering experimenting myself with a spare touch cover and a raspberry pi
geronphillips said:
I know this is an old thread but has anyone made any further progress on this? If not, I'm considering experimenting myself with a spare touch cover and a raspberry pi
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Nope, im sorry, i didn't make further progress on this, exept what i already posted.. it is a USB connection, you can easily verify that yourself by looking at the Touch/type-cover in the device-manager...
I guess you can easily connect other USB devices if you build yourself an adapter..
but there could also be some kind of verification, if so then its most likely software based, if you hit a barrier, try reverseing the type-cover driver, you might find something there...
One additional info: the big outer nipples can be used to charge the device.
Peace
If I were to leverage the bottom grooves for charging, can you tell me which pin is which? +/-
tfBullet said:
Nope, im sorry, i didn't make further progress on this, exept what i already posted.. it is a USB connection, you can easily verify that yourself by looking at the Touch/type-cover in the device-manager...
I guess you can easily connect other USB devices if you build yourself an adapter..
but there could also be some kind of verification, if so then its most likely software based, if you hit a barrier, try reverseing the type-cover driver, you might find something there...
One additional info: the big outer nipples can be used to charge the device.
Peace
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Hi tfBullet,
When you say "the big outer nipples can be used to charge the devices" are you referring to these...
Power Cover connector (Using pin labels in picture)
1/10 = Power cover +ve
2/9 = Power cover Ground
Any new discovery?
Any new discovery?
will the power output still be live, if the data signals are not shorted? e.g: IOS devices
Can we just connect the keyboard via usb to a windows pc?
I don't think this is true USB, as there is no 5 volts anywhere on the connector, only 3.3 volts.. It may be USB, but needing to be level-shifted before you can use it. It may be potentially a way to get another USB port on the damn thing. Why did they think one USB port is enough? I have been trying to boot it from flash drive, but need keyboard as well, but the USB will not boot with a hub connected. Grrrrr.
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I don't think this is true USB, as there is no 5 volts anywhere on the connector, only 3.3 volts.. It may be USB, but needing to be level-shifted before you can use it. It may be potentially a way to get another USB port on the damn thing. Why did they think one USB port is enough? I have been trying to boot it from flash drive, but need keyboard as well, but the USB will not boot with a hub connected. Grrrrr.
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Why not booting on a flash drive and use the usb for keyboard???
There's someone here who's made some progress...
edwardsh.in/keyboard%20cover/2015/08/13/applying-logic-to-the-surface-touch-cover
i want to connect the keyboard itself to other devices
Hey guys
Good thread going on , i would like to see if any one of you ever thought about to use keyboard itself not the port , for some reasons I would like to use the keyboard on other devices (i mean kinda convert the pins to a USB port and use it on other pcs or what i really desire about is using it on Xbox) i want to see if any of you have any ideas or information about this , i mean is this even possible ? I've read the whole replies and most of them were about the port on surface and yeah its really cool , but i want to see if its possible to do , cause if its possible then it would be a lot easier than the port on the surface
Thanks
Ferrybigger said:
Hey guys
Good thread going on , i would like to see if any one of you ever thought about to use keyboard itself not the port , for some reasons I would like to use the keyboard on other devices (i mean kinda convert the pins to a USB port and use it on other pcs or what i really desire about is using it on Xbox) i want to see if any of you have any ideas or information about this , i mean is this even possible ? I've read the whole replies and most of them were about the port on surface and yeah its really cool , but i want to see if its possible to do , cause if its possible then it would be a lot easier than the port on the surface
Thanks
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Well, take a look at the link Neakmenter posted, the guy there analyzed the communication, turns out it's no standard USB, it's proprietary.. Which means, there is no easy way of using this keyboard anywhere else than the surface... You would need some kind of microcontroller which connects to the keyboard, interprets it's signals, and relays them as Standart HID signals to a USB port..
The connector alone is a problem as well, you'd need to 3D print a connector or something like that, it's just not worth the effort i guess [emoji2371]
Gesendet von meinem MAR-LX1A mit Tapatalk
I am mounting a Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 on the dash of my car to replace the craptastic system the car comes with (nissan leaf)
anyway I want to avoid a fugly power cable floating around. what I am looking for is a normal full size plug usb to micro usb cable that looks like THIS PLUG on this qi wireless unit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Un...l_Phone_PDA_Chargers&var=&hash=item258fe5398e
ie it full inserts into the micro usb socket without sticking out more than a mm if that and is thin and flat so I can fold it around behind the tab and make it vanish somewhere out of site
problem is I need this in the form of a USB cable. just with that flat thin cable and that super ultrat compact micro usb plug on the end
suggestions?
One of these might work for you:
http://www.amazon.com/Vojo-Magnet-M...2313475&sr=1-2&keywords=vojo+magnet+micro+usb
http://www.amazon.com/Cellet-Micro-Samsung-Motorola-Smartphones/dp/B009PBNPOS
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1JG5HGJYWGFM445KBSMP
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1EZ7VGS4MEQYX2RYK0K7
http://www.amazon.com/AViiQ-Ready-C...sim_cps_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1WK9Y9AHCFC18TB8SC8A
http://www.accellcables.com/products/micro-usb-2-0-thin-cable
I feel like eating flat noodles now...
Good luck!
Sadly those are all huge. Its not the cable that is to large. It is the plug itself thst goes into the micro usb socket that is too large and will stick out too much.
I will try to find my uni qi pad to take pics.
Ah right I understand, sorry about that.
Maybe you can try taking the plastic apart yourself and use this one - http://gizmodo.com/impossibly-thin-charging-cables-no-thicker-than-a-pair-1458889908
This one has a sideways connector so the wire goes to one side instead of straight downwards, not sure but it may save you a millimetre or something haha... - http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-3-Feet-Micro-USB-Cable/dp/B0045JHJDS
It is indeed surprisingly hard to find a wire with a thin connector/jack!
Hi guys,
I'm trying to figure out how many products do actually use the 11 pin microUSB connector. I know the S4 and the Note 2 do, and I guess I'm pretty safe asuming the Note 3 and S5 also have it. Do you guys know any other device having 11pin microUSB connectors?
For the rest, the advantage of this connector is the capability of having an HDMI connection, with space for additional (and simultaneous) USB connections. That means, with the proper adapter/dock, you get to have a full fledged "computer", with monitor, USB mouse and keyboard, and you can even plug external drives, all at the same time.
The ports with 5 pins on the other hand don't seem to be able, so you either have HDMI or USB, but not both at the same time.
So yeah, any other model? I'm seeing now on the search suggestions it seems the HTC Hero also has something like that...Is there any list or compilation somewhere?
Hello All,
I'm a new owner of a Galaxy S6 Edge, coming from a S4.
I had a Samsung multimedia dock for my S4, that had 3 USB ports, a HDMI Out port and a 3.5mm audio Out port. I purchased a wireless keyboard / track pad and plugged it into one of the USB ports on the dock to make typing texts & navigating the phone easier while at my desk.
Unfortunately, the male micro-USB plug on the Samsung multimedia dock does not fit the micro-USB port on my S6, rendering my wireless USB keyboard useless.
I've looked all over the internet and can't seem to find a similar docking station for the S6. Does anyone know of a docking station that has USB ports that will work with my USB wireless dongle & keyboard?
Much appreciated!
Hi,
Thanks for your report. It seems strange to me that the S6 micro USB port is different, should be the same old 11 pin that the Samsung used. Stupid question, but did you try inserting it the other way around, with the phone back facing you?
For your exact problem, with the keyboard, I assume the old USB On The Go adapter will work on S6, same as it does on S4, S3, Note2, etc. It's this one: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-R205UBEGSTA .
There's also a HDMI adapter, http://www.samsung.com/de/consumer/mobile-devices/accessories/connectivity/EE-HN910FWEGWW. Maybe those 2 can be combined, instead of using the dock.
0sAND1s said:
Hi,
Thanks for your report. It seems strange to me that the S6 micro USB port is different, should be the same old 11 pin that the Samsung used. Stupid question, but did you try inserting it the other way around, with the phone back facing you?
For your exact problem, with the keyboard, I assume the old USB On The Go adapter will work on S6, same as it does on S4, S3, Note2, etc. It's this one: .
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Thanks for the reply!
Way ahead of ya on making sure the micro-USB plug on the docking station is facing the right direction. I tried docking it backwards and the plug n' port absolutely do not fit that way. It's facing the right direction, just that the port on the S6 is not able to accept the plug on the docking station....despite both being Micro-USB. I did notice, however, that the plug on the docking station had two small grooves indented in it, that looked different than any other standard micro-USB cable plug. It could be that those indentions made the device proprietary to the Samsung range of phones that released during the S3 / S4 years (including the Note 2 & 3). If you look at the compatibility of that docking station on Samsung's website, you'll notice that only the S3, S4, Note 2 & Note 3 come up.
I suppose the USB dongle you linked could work, but reading the device laying down flat, while trying to type on the keyboard might be problematic. You'd think that someone would make a universal micro-USB docking station with USB ports...but I haven't been able to find it.
I'm pretty sure the S6 no longer supports MHL which probably explains why the dock doesn't work either.
You can still go USB OTG, which should let you use your keyboard and trackpad mouse devices.
se1000 said:
I'm pretty sure the S6 no longer supports MHL which probably explains why the dock doesn't work either.
You can still go USB OTG, which should let you use your keyboard and trackpad mouse devices.
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Interesting.....so are you saying that the micro-USB male plug on the Samsung docking station also had MHL connectivity integrated in it, which is why it's form factor is slightly different than a standard micro-USB plug?
The only times I've ever seen a MHL port on mobile devices was as a separate, similar looking, but different port than the micro-USB port.
I supposed all the wireless mirroring tech out now makes including hardware mirroring functionality not needed.
RajCaj said:
Interesting.....so are you saying that the micro-USB male plug on the Samsung docking station also had MHL connectivity integrated in it, which is why it's form factor is slightly different than a standard micro-USB plug?
The only times I've ever seen a MHL port on mobile devices was as a separate, similar looking, but different port than the micro-USB port.
I supposed all the wireless mirroring tech out now makes including hardware mirroring functionality not needed.
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That's correct, it has to since it offers an HDMI out on the dock.
http://www.thegadgetqueen.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/5-pin-vs-11-pin.jpg
You're also probably right in your assumption that MHL isn't really needed anymore due to the widespread wireless screen mirroring technologies.