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I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer to this so hopefully someone knows about this stuff. My carrier uses SIM technology and it's 3G uses 1700 and 2100 bands. I'm wanting to find out which of the newer/higher end android phones I could use for their service and actually be able to use both bands. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Willieumm said:
I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer to this so hopefully someone knows about this stuff. My carrier uses SIM technology and it's 3G uses 1700 and 2100 bands. I'm wanting to find out which of the newer/higher end android phones I could use for their service and actually be able to use both bands. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Those are T-Mobile bands so you are more fortunate than me. You can use the amazing new HTC Sensation with those bands. Unfortunately my carrier, AT&T, doesn't use those bands and I'm not able to yet get a Sensation. You can pretty much choose any T-Mobile phone. They have LG GX2, Samsung Galaxy S 4G and the HTC Sensation and the Sensation is HTC's flagship phone and highly valued.
Like he said, basically any T-Mobile 3G device will work for you.
I notice most of their phones don't have 1700 listed on their bands though. Does that mean I can or can't use them?
Willieumm said:
I notice most of their phones don't have 1700 listed on their bands though. Does that mean I can or can't use them?
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Yes, you can use them with full 3G speed...4G if your service provides it.
By the way, you'll need to unlock any T-Mobile branded phone. Simple to do just by calling T-Mobile CS for the sim unlock code.
So the phone I buy just needs to have either one of the two 3g bands I take it? I guess I screwed up because I bought an unlocked Inspire off eBay and when I put my sim card in I got no data at all, not even edge. So if I was to find an Incredible S unlocked I could use that correct?
Willieumm said:
So the phone I buy just needs to have either one of the two 3g bands I take it? I guess I screwed up because I bought an unlocked Inspire off eBay and when I put my sim card in I got no data at all, not even edge. So if I was to find an Incredible S unlocked I could use that correct?
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Well...Edge isn't locked down like HSPA (3G) is. As long as the phone is a GSM version, Edge should work fine, if the service is putting it out. What you likely are needing to do with your Inspire is input the proper APN settings. And also make sure the mobile data is enabled.
Go to "Setting" > "Wireless and Networks" > "Mobile settings" and see if the top box is checked. If not, check it. Then, still in that same menu, go to "Access Point Names" and see what is there. If there isn't an APN there relating to your carrier, make one by tapping the menu button and choosing new APN. Input the correct carrier values from the list in the link below. Once done, tap the menu button and choose "Save". Make sure that new APN you just created is selected...usually a small green dot to the right side of it.
http://forums.pinstack.com/f24/tcp_apn_wap_gateway_port_carrier_settings-360/
I told you wrong for the Inspire about the menu system. I just booted mine up and had a look. You will find the data checkbox in "Settings" > "Wireless and Networks" labeled "Mobile network".
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Well...Edge isn't locked down like HSPA (3G) is. As long as the phone is a GSM version, Edge should work fine, if the service is putting it out. What you likely are needing to do with your Inspire is input the proper APN settings. And also make sure the mobile data is enabled.
Go to "Setting" > "Wireless and Networks" > "Mobile settings" and see if the top box is checked. If not, check it. Then, still in that same menu, go to "Access Point Names" and see what is there. If there isn't an APN there relating to your carrier, make one by tapping the menu button and choosing new APN. Input the correct carrier values from the list in the link below. Once done, tap the menu button and choose "Save". Make sure that new APN you just created is selected...usually a small green dot to the right side of it.
http://forums.pinstack.com/f24/tcp_apn_wap_gateway_port_carrier_settings-360/
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The company I'm trying to use this with is called iWireless. They aren't on that list but I had found the apn settings by googling it and I did input them just as you suggested and selected them with the little green dot and no such luck. I even rebooted the phone twice. I'm sad cuz I love the Inspire, I rooted it and put a Sense 3D rom on it that I'm in love with. I want to stay with the carrier though cause they have the cheapest thing around, $50 a month unlimited everything including minutes, data, mms & sms. Can't beat it. But there's not many devices as well supported as the Inspire and I really can't stand anything but HTC after having a Motorola Cliq and Samsung Epic both of which I hated.
Willieumm said:
The company I'm trying to use this with is called iWireless. They aren't on that list but I had found the apn settings by googling it and I did input them just as you suggested and selected them with the little green dot and no such luck. I even rebooted the phone twice. I'm sad cuz I love the Inspire, I rooted it and put a Sense 3D rom on it that I'm in love with. I want to stay with the carrier though cause they have the cheapest thing around, $50 a month unlimited everything including minutes, data, mms & sms. Can't beat it. But there's not many devices as well supported as the Inspire and I really can't stand anything but HTC after having a Motorola Cliq and Samsung Epic both of which I hated.
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Have you tried these settings: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5328920&postcount=255
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5531081&postcount=256
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5601789&postcount=259
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Have you tried these settings: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5328920&postcount=255
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5531081&postcount=256
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5601789&postcount=259
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Yeah I did use those same settings on my Inspire and no such luck. I did just happen to run across this on the iWireless website however.
"Will any 3G GSM phones get 3G speeds on the i wireless 3G network?
No. Our 3G network will only support AWS/UMTS 1700/2100 banded phones. 3G devices that only have the 2100 band will not be compatible on our 3G network."
http://www.iwireless.com/promoform.asp?promo=3G
So am I wrong in taking that to mean that whatever phone I buy actually has to support both 1700 and 2100 bands in order for me to get 3G upload and download speeds? If so my options will be very limited I'm sure. :\
Okay, so from what I've learned between reading and what you've told me and what I know I want I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I'm gonna want an Incredible S or a Sensation as those are pretty much the only HTC phones that appear to cover 2100 (band 1) and 1700/2100 (band 4) which is what I believe that I need. Tell me if you think I'm wrong.
Willieumm said:
Yeah I did use those same settings on my Inspire and no such luck. I did just happen to run across this on the iWireless website however.
"Will any 3G GSM phones get 3G speeds on the i wireless 3G network?
No. Our 3G network will only support AWS/UMTS 1700/2100 banded phones. 3G devices that only have the 2100 band will not be compatible on our 3G network."
http://www.iwireless.com/promoform.asp?promo=3G
So am I wrong in taking that to mean that whatever phone I buy actually has to support both 1700 and 2100 bands in order for me to get 3G upload and download speeds? If so my options will be very limited I'm sure. :\
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Strange. That seems to be really locked down. I really can't advise you reliably. I do know that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100 frequencies and that the Sensation, with only the 2100 portion, will work on it. If your network requires both bands, anything I say might lead you in error. Sorry for the lack of help.
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Strange. That seems to be really locked down. I really can't advise you reliably. I do know that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100 frequencies and that the Sensation, with only the 2100 portion, will work on it. If your network requires both bands, anything I say might lead you in error. Sorry for the lack of help.
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Specs
Size: 4.96 x 2.57 x 0.4 in
Weight: 5 oz
Included battery: 1520 mAh Talk time: Up to 8 hours Standby time: Up to 21 days
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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This is from the Sensation's page on t-mobile.com. Doesn't that mean it should cover both bands?
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Willieumm said:
This is from the Sensation's page on t-mobile.com. Doesn't that mean it should cover both bands?
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It sounds like iWireless may not support AWS bands though, 1700/2100 is what they use, but doesn't necessarily mean it's AWS.
GSM bands will work without issue, assuming the device is unlocked.
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Hi all, im very new to XDA & have no knowledge of bandwidths. I just recently bought a HTC Sensation (not sure what model, but it was from a local guy). Had it unlocked so i can use it with my ATT plan. every thing was working fine except i had no data & couldnt send/recieve MMS. When first turned on, there was no APN settings on the phone, so i applied the settings stated in the thread APN settings for unlocked Sensation on ATT by mekajt7 on 09/05/11. Now i have data & MMS is working fine execpt my data is only 2G??
If there's anyone out there with more extensive knowledge regarding this topic, or how to get my phone to pick up 3G?? pleeeeeese leave a reply.
ive spent hours online reading about the bandwidths & ive been getting mixed results.... some said yes, it should work & most said no.
I'm in need of some answers
thanks for reading
the only way an sensation can pick up att 3g signals is if you buy one from canada made for their bell carrier. other then that all you can get is edge. if you want 3g or even better, 4g and be in the usa, you need tmobile
thanks for the reply kpholmes. yea, that's the same thing ive been getting from reading online for 4 hours. do you or anyone else reading know the model number for T-Mo's version vs. Bell's version???
i know it's 710a or 710e. but which is which??
DMX804 said:
thanks for the reply kpholmes. yea, that's the same thing ive been getting from reading online for 4 hours. do you or anyone else reading know the model number for T-Mo's version vs. Bell's version???
i know it's 710a or 710e. but which is which??
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The Z710a is the North American (NAM) version sold by Canadian carriers and it supports the 850/1900/2100 3G bands that AT&T uses.
The Z710e supports the European and T-Mobile 3G bands.
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The Z710a is the North American (NAM) version sold by Canadian carriers and it supports the 850/1900/2100 3G bands that AT&T uses.
The Z710e supports the European and T-Mobile 3G bands.
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so, T-Mo's is neither of these?? or is it the Z710e??
im just trying to get the model's correctly identified
thanks for the reply
T-mo is the same as european and asian version, it wont work with at&t 3G which is probably what you have. You need to get the canadian sensation from bell or virgin mobile model number z710a. If you look at settings>>about phone>>phone identity, the model number of your phone should be there. If it is z710e, then you are out of luck.
So the Canadian version can use 3G on AT&T? And 4G?
sjespers said:
So the Canadian version can use 3G on AT&T? And 4G?
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Yes the Canadian version can use AT&T 3G and HSPA+ network.
So I I've searched for an answer or a problem similar only to come out with no luck...do what's going on right now is that I got my inspire unlocked from att and came to India because I now have to live here because in going to college here..anyway its unlocked and I purchased a prepaid plan from company Vodafone.
So I've been running with 2g for some time now and now I just sick off it and need 3g so I can also use mylaptop and connect to hotspot. Anyway I've got 3g plan however my phone is constantly staying on EDGE....which is pretty annoying because its so slow and I paid a bit to get 3g upgrade. I've tried the *%*#4636#*#* phone setting and switched to GSM/cdma auto. Also got the smsc and updated. Also I set up a new APN suited for the company with no luck..still on 2B.C. So my question is..how do you switch on 3g on inspire? Haven't been able to find that also been searching it. My Android is still 2.2.1 if that makes any difference. I've also called they company and HTC to no success...so please help me out. How do I initiate 3g on my inspire?
apparently I just need the option to turn on 3g and the phone info thing won't work...keeps me on edge.
Thanks
If you have tried going to your settings then to you mobile network settings. There should be an option to use only 2g networks. If that is checked, then you need to uncheck that.
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If you have tried going to your settings then to you mobile network settings. There should be an option to use only 2g networks. If that is checked, then you need to uncheck that.
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But that's the problem...I can't find that option.I go into mobile network settings and see data roaming...apn..network operators..and always on mobile network option. I've been trying o find a option to set which to put..for instance 3g only or 2 g only or 3g preferred..no avail. still have Droid 2.2.1 if that makes any difference..
Their is no way to get 3g. India uses a different frequency for 3g. No way to change it outside of getting a different phone with compatible bands
The Inspire radio utilizes the 850/1900 3G bands. India uses the 900/1800 bands for 3G. If you use the phone in a market where the 3G is on a different frequency than the radio in the phone, the best you'll get is Edge. This is hardware related. There is no setting you can change or ROM you can flash that will allow it to operate on 3G in your market.
So no absolute way of getting 3g on my inspire in India?
Nope
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Huh...so best bet would be to get a new phone? What should I look for in order for this problem not to happen again?
Get the correct version, The Desire HD.
Is it company -problem or a country -problem? If I switch providrs, will it work?
drsteez said:
Is it company -problem or a country -problem? If I switch providrs, will it work?
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Doubt it. Pretty much everyone except the US uses 900/1800, and att uses 850/1900 on it's phones (the inspire) - as previously stated this is in the phones hardware. So unless you can find a provider that uses 850/1900 for 3G your SOL - best bet is to get a new phone (DHD uses 900/1800 for 3G and is the same device as the Inspire, very minor differences)
Even i too have the same problem and I am from India.I have tried with my network operators many times but nothing works,i have to pay for 3g data and use 2g.Is there no fix for this issue?
omg, SEARCH. its what you agreed to do before posting.
ill put it simply for you. your inspire will never get 3g outside of the united states.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
if you are in purple, u need a desire hd, orange, you need an inspire.
Darunion said:
omg, SEARCH. its what you agreed to do before posting.
ill put it simply for you. your inspire will never get 3g outside of the united states.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
if you are in purple, u need a desire hd, orange, you need an inspire.
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Oh god!!guess i need to buy another phone in order to use 3g in my country.
I am using the ATT D850 G3 on a sim that supports the LTE band 3 1800mhz network. its running on the stock 5.0.1. It seems to not connect to the lte band. the issue is with the phone. can someone please help fix this.
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I am using the ATT D850 G3 on a sim that supports the LTE band 3 1800mhz network. its running on the stock 5.0.1. It seems to not connect to the lte band. the issue is with the phone. can someone please help fix this.
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Just at because the sim does the phone might not support that band.
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hyelton said:
Just at because the sim does the phone might not support that band.
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Hi Hyelton, thank you for your reply. The phone does too, its listed on the specifications and it picks up the band and the network when I do a manual search for available networks. when trying to connect it connects to the HSPA+ network not LTE. I believe this is a limitation that ATT might have added. I need someone help me remove it.
adnshah said:
Hi Hyelton, thank you for your reply. The phone does too, its listed on the specifications and it picks up the band and the network when I do a manual search for available networks. when trying to connect it connects to the HSPA+ network not LTE. I believe this is a limitation that ATT might have added. I need someone help me remove it.
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AT&T would NOT have a limitation on it. If you do a network search and it comes up, and fails to connect something somewhere else is wrong. Make sure you have the correct APN?
The APN settings have been checked and work fine on a note 3 N9005, somethings up with the d850, can someone help with that please
the phone does, the speck says, roaming 1800 on the att site and even the lg specs say it does. the but i think the stock rom on the att d850 some how prevents it, please help
Hi All,
The issue with my Verizon M8 [the rare LRA (LTE for Rural America) subvariant] is that no matter what firmware version/RUU I use, I only get GSM connectivity on it. No WCDMA or LTE. I have checked the WCDMA bands in my country and that is not an issue. When I select WCDMA only option, I cannot get any signal. I have flashed the all the LRA (*.**.512.*) RUUs as well as all the Verizon (*.**.605.*) RUUs but no luck at all. If this issue might be related to PRL settings then please let me know if any of you have any idea. I have also checked the relevant WCDMA/LTE bands via CDMA tool and they are also enabled.
My M8 is currently S-off and has Super CID. I am using it outside the US on GSM network.
This has got me very frustrating and I need to find out if this is a software issue or a hardware issue. One more thing is that another guy here has exactly the same variant as mine. He bricked his radio by flashing the GSM firmware. I provided him my phone's relevant partition dumps and after flashing those onto his phone, his phone's radio became operational but now he has the same issue as mine. So I think that this issue might not be hardware related.
Any help on this will be greatly appreciated!!
Same problem
Anyone can provide any help on this??
any1 please help??
junaidawan86 said:
any1 please help??
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do you know the actual bands/frequency the gsm network uses where you are? the prl is going to be pulled from your sim card. have you also tried a diff sim card?
izzaeroth said:
do you know the actual bands/frequency the gsm network uses where you are? the prl is going to be pulled from your sim card. have you also tried a diff sim card?
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Hello. Yes, I know the bands used by 2G, 3G and 4G in my country. And yes I have switched sim cards even from different networks. The PRL version shows as 00000 when i look at it from the settings. I have even tried to update the PRL from a prl file provided by a xda user in some other thread but still it shows as 00000. I have seen some threads and ppl had this problem with One S. Though some of them were able to correct it by flashing some stock and custom radios.
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Hello. Yes, I know the bands used by 2G, 3G and 4G in my country. And yes I have switched sim cards even from different networks. The PRL version shows as 00000 when i look at it from the settings. I have even tried to update the PRL from a prl file provided by a xda user in some other thread but still it shows as 00000. I have seen some threads and ppl had this problem with One S. Though some of them were able to correct it by flashing some stock and custom radios.
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odd. i wonder if that lra model is sim locked like the sprint variant. is it also acknowledging you have a sim card inserted when you check in about phone? as in, does it display the sim #
izzaeroth said:
odd. i wonder if that lra model is sim locked like the sprint variant. is it also acknowledging you have a sim card inserted when you check in about phone? as in, does it display the sim #
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Well, I thought too that it might be sim locked but then why it is working with 2G networks. There should be no signal at all then. Also these LRA variants are being sold by many online retailers including Amazon as sim unlocked phones. And yes it acknowledges when I insert or change a sim. Says "Preparing sim card" and then I get a signal (2G only). When I choose 3G only in network settings, the signal is gone immediately and I have to switch back to auto or 2G only to get the signal back.
@redpoint73
Any help on this???
junaidawan86 said:
Hello. Yes, I know the bands used by 2G, 3G and 4G in my country.
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So then list the specific band numbers for 2G, 3G, and LTE for your carrier. That is really what the previous response was asking.
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So then list the specific band numbers for 2G, 3G, and LTE for your carrier. That is really what the previous response was asking.
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900/1800MHz for 2G
2100MHz for 3G
850/1800MHz for 4G/LTE
junaidawan86 said:
900/1800MHz for 2G
2100MHz for 3G
850/1800MHz for 4G/LTE
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This is strange, as the 3G band 2100 Mhz is really common (many countries use it for 3G, and most any recent US phone intended for foreign travel will support it), and should be supported by the device out-of-the-box. This tells me the problem is likely not RUU/firmware related.
You sure the APN is properly typed? And does your carrier use any different APN for 3G, LTE, etc.?
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This is strange, as the 3G band 2100 Mhz is really common (many countries use it for 3G, and most any recent US phone intended for foreign travel will support it), and should be supported by the device out-of-the-box. This tells me the problem is likely not RUU/firmware related.
You sure the APN is properly typed? And does your carrier use any different APN for 3G, LTE, etc.?
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No it uses the same APN for all types and its configured correctly. I also thought the issue might rather be related to some NV values or PRL. If I set it to 3G only, it "Sees" the carrier as I can see a signal bar in network signal guru app, but the mobile is not able to connect to it.
so i am thinking that since this is a lra variant, a lot of bands may be disabled. have you seen anywhere else that someone got a lra variant to work outside the us? i know you said people were selling it as being unlocked, but maybe its not
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so i am thinking that since this is a lra variant, a lot of bands may be disabled. have you seen anywhere else that someone got a lra variant to work outside the us? i know you said people were selling it as being unlocked, but maybe its not
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Well the LRA variant is practically the Verizon one with everything same as the Verizon variant. There a lot of links on both Amazon and eBay in which its mentioned that its LRA variant and is factory unlocked and can be used anywhere in the world. And yes I came across various threads on XDA in which people had this same variant, working fine (3G atleast) but they wanted to upgrade to Android 6 MM as there is no official update available for this variant after Android 5 Lollipop. As for the relevant bands (2100MHz for 3G used in my country), they were already unlocked (checked via CDMA Tool and QXDM).
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Well the LRA variant is practically the Verizon one with everything same as the Verizon variant. There a lot of links on both Amazon and eBay in which its mentioned that its LRA variant and is factory unlocked and can be used anywhere in the world. And yes I came across various threads on XDA in which people had this same variant, working fine (3G atleast) but they wanted to upgrade to Android 6 MM as there is no official update available for this variant after Android 5 Lollipop. As for the relevant bands (2100MHz for 3G used in my country), they were already unlocked (checked via CDMA Tool and QXDM).
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hmm this is quite the problem. if you can confirm you are using the same rom as the others, i would then think the issue is the radio being defective
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hmm this is quite the problem. if you can confirm you are using the same rom as the others, i would then think the issue is the radio being defective
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I am using the stock LRA RUU (android 5.0.2). I have also tried the VZW RUUs from 4.4 to 6.0 but the same issue exists on them all. Even I have used GPE and Sense based custom roms but the same issue. I think that the issue might be related to some NV values or this phone might be network locked. Is there a way to check if the phone is network/sim locked? As I am getting the (2G) signals for all the networks in my country.
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I am using the stock LRA RUU (android 5.0.2). I have also tried the VZW RUUs from 4.4 to 6.0 but the same issue exists on them all. Even I have used GPE and Sense based custom roms but the same issue. I think that the issue might be related to some NV values or this phone might be network locked. Is there a way to check if the phone is network/sim locked? As I am getting the (2G) signals for all the networks in my country.
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it being sim/network locked makes sense, because the phone was made for people who live in the middle of nowhere. there would also be a high probability that none of those people will ever travel outside the country. i do not know anything about the nv values and tweaking them, but i have looked at that thread a few times. lastly, if you have only picked up 2g regardless of sim or apn used, it could be defective radios
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Well, I thought too that it might be sim locked but then why it is working with 2G networks. There should be no signal at all then. Also these LRA variants are being sold by many online retailers including Amazon as sim unlocked phones. And yes it acknowledges when I insert or change a sim. Says "Preparing sim card" and then I get a signal (2G only). When I choose 3G only in network settings, the signal is gone immediately and I have to switch back to auto or 2G only to get the signal back.
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did you get the solution for the problem since i need help as i am facing the same problem
quican said:
did you get the solution for the problem since i need help as i am facing the same problem
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yes I got my issue fixed. Can u confirm which device you have? software version *.*.512* or *.*.605.*?