When the droid charge is fully charged it puts an alert on the screen saying so and saying to disconnect it from the charger... obviously when you are sleeping you won't see this message... so is it okay to keep the charger plugged in for like 12 hours? can the phone OVERcharge itself and hurt the battery life?
I have killed the battery and fully charged it and over charged on purposed and haven't seen this message.
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I have killed the battery and fully charged it and over charged on purposed and haven't seen this message.
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I get the message too every time charge reaches 100%
No. Samsung Androids will stop charging at 100% (that's when the message pops) and won't start again until the battery has dropped to 95%.
Getting rid of the nag will be one of the first mods to drop.
yup message definately shows... but once the message shows does it automatically STOP accepting the charge or does it OVER charge itself if left plugged in?
Please reread my post.
just saw it now.. sorry..
how are you certain of this?
also, is it okay to use a Blackberry Bold AC charger on the Samsung Droid Charge? the output voltage is the same but the output Amps are slightly different.. the Droid Charger is 1,000 millamps output.. the blackberry charger is 700 miliamps output
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also, is it okay to use a Blackberry Bold AC charger on the Samsung Droid Charge? the output voltage is the same but the output Amps are slightly different.. the Droid Charger is 1,000 millamps output.. the blackberry charger is 700 miliamps output
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You might be ok using the BB charger, but I don't know. It would be safer to use one rated for 1000mA or greater. I haven't looked to see what the charging rate is yet on the Charge, but on the Fascinate it was only 600mA max.
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how are you certain of this?
also, is it okay to use a Blackberry Bold AC charger on the Samsung Droid Charge? the output voltage is the same but the output Amps are slightly different.. the Droid Charger is 1,000 millamps output.. the blackberry charger is 700 miliamps output
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Because every other Samsung phone works like this.
Also, they auto-limit their current intake from charging cables (there was a *lot* of experimenting with these in the Vibrant and Captivate forums last year). So it's safe -- but no faster -- to use a higher-current charger. Lower-current should be fine, too -- they'll just take longer.
The main problem with using BB chargers:
(1) the micro-USB tip might not go in all the way. Other Galaxy S models (dunno about the Charge specifically) have a particularly recessed port that's finicky with many non-Samsung cables/chargers.
(2) the phone might not detect it as a wall charger. I believe Galaxy S phones detect to see if the data lines on USB are shorted together, which some but not all non-Samsung chargers do in the same way. If it doesn't detect as a wall unit, it will charge but the current intake will be much more restricted on the phone end (so it will take longer).
It may not give you the full 1a from the wall, but this cheap charger works great on older Galaxy S models.
thanks for the info.. well I guess I will have to figure out what the Samsung Droid Charge actually PULLS for the charge...
since the BB Charger is putting out 5 volts and 700 miliamps.. if the Samsung needs more than 700 miliamps then it may detect as a USB charger and just charge slower.. which really doesn't matter to me since it will be plugged in for about 8 hours straight while I'm sleeping... I just wanted to make sure I could NOT overcharge it and hurt something inside the phone.
I just found that if you go into the phone status screen under the settings and you plug it in via either USB or AC Charger it will say 'Charging USB' or 'Charging AC' respectively.. just tested that with a Blackberry Bold ac charger it it says 'Charging AC' so I guess the Droid Charge is pulling LESS than 700 milamps because that's what the BB Bold charger is outputting..
The Charge charges at 475mA via wireless charging or USB (computer) connection, and 800mA via wall charger. See here - lines 3125 to 3150.
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The Charge charges at 475mA via wireless charging or USB (computer) connection, and 800mA via wall charger. See here - lines 3125 to 3150.
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Good to know. I was wondering why usb charging took/felt longer than wall charging.
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Good to know. I was wondering why usb charging took/felt longer than wall charging.
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Most devices work this way. USB power via your computer can't safely sustain the charge rate that a wall outlet can. To avoid issues, they just set it up to charge slower over the USB connection compared to via a wall charger.
Long story short: if the phone manufacturer has any common sense they know to stop the charging at 100%, let it back off to about 90% and trickle it. That's how most new smartphones work.
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When the droid charge is fully charged it puts an alert on the screen saying so and saying to disconnect it from the charger... obviously when you are sleeping you won't see this message... so is it okay to keep the charger plugged in for like 12 hours? can the phone OVERcharge itself and hurt the battery life?
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Nope, the phone stops charging when the battery reaches target voltage and shuts the port off completely if the battery gets over a certain temperature.
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I just find it stupid that the phone would show a notification for USB connection when I connect it to a charger.
Yes, it can tell the difference. Check in OS monitor, it knows whether you are getting power from USB, or from AC.
My phone thinks my car is a computer. As far as I know, it goes by the current being received -- 500 mA from a computer, 700 mA from the stock wall charger.
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I don't think it depends on the current.
With my factory charger, if I insert the charger in and kinda pull out one side of it, it will think it's a computer and I can "mount" my sd card. so it might be a certain way the connectors touch inside
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I just find it stupid that the phone would show a notification for USB connection when I connect it to a charger.
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It depends on the charger, but yes, the phone for the most part can tell the difference. It has to do with the voltage that is put out.
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My phone thinks my car is a computer. As far as I know, it goes by the current being received -- 500 mA from a computer, 700 mA from the stock wall charger.
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It has nothing to do with amperage (unless it is under 500) and everything to so with charging source. Wall chargers basically short the data wires to indicate AC charger and car chargers do not.
There is a thread in accessories forum discussing this and mods to get full charging out of car chargers. I did it by modding an extra cable. My car charger puts out 1 amp but the phone never draws more then ~ 750 mah.
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Yes, it can tell the difference. Check in OS monitor, it knows whether you are getting power from USB, or from AC.
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Every time I read one of your posts, in my head is McGyver's voice. Hearing him narrate the xda forums is hilarious.
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The phone can take up to 1000mA of charging current. But only if it detects it is on one of its supported AC chargers. Draw more than 500mA on a PC USB port may damage it. So, there is special wiring needs to be done for the data PINs on the USB port. That's why for generic car charger and wall chargers, it can't only assume it is PC USB port and charges at a slower pace (500mA). You will need the Samsung AC or Car charger to charge at higher current. I managed to mod one of car charger to be recognized as AC charger (no USB prompt). And you really need it because if you're using the phone as GPS navigation device, 500mA won't be able to sustain it (battery will keep be drained). You need 700ma or more.
It also depends if you have your USB connection set to a default if you will get that pop up when you connect it to any other than an AC charger.
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My phone thinks my car is a computer. As far as I know, it goes by the current being received -- 500 mA from a computer, 700 mA from the stock wall charger.
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Yes it does and is sensitive. I have been using a BT headphone charger and I would be perplexed that my phone showed 100% but pull the plug and its at 87% every morning AFTER recalibrating the battery.. LOL
Decided to use the Samsung Charger and no such issues. Needs those extra Milliamps.....
Well my charger broke so I went and bought a travel charger. On my stock HTC charger the output was something like 5,0A = 1A and this charger I bought says something like 5,0A = 650mA
Does this just mean it will take longer for my phone to charge?
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Well my charger broke so I went and bought a travel charger. On my stock HTC charger the output was something like 5,0A = 1A and this charger I bought says something like 5,0A = 650mA
Does this just mean it will take longer for my phone to charge?
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yes it just means the current running to the phone is less so it will take a lot longer to charge.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the phone will yell at you every time you plug it and say its not an HTC certified charger you could damage your battery. As far as I know it doesn't actually hurt your battery. It happened on my Incredible; don't know for sure on the TB
What could be worse is if it decides it is USB connected instead of AC, in which case it will draw 500mA or less.
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketf...rger/1114106.p?id=1218221913668&skuId=1114106
which is a full 2A, microUSB cable and second USB port, shows up as AC and battery monitor shows a net of 600-700mA.
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, the phone will yell at you every time you plug it and say its not an HTC certified charger you could damage your battery. As far as I know it doesn't actually hurt your battery. It happened on my Incredible; don't know for sure on the TB
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I use a blackberry charger at work and i have not had any issues with it at all. Also at home when im doing something network intensive like uploading a video to facebook i use my samsung galaxy tab charger brick because it provides 2 amps vs 1amp and as a result it will charge and upload where as if i use the stock charger it wont charge
My Samsung Droid Charge charger has an OUTPUT of the same voltage and 700 MILI amps.
My Blackberry Bold charger OUTPUT has the same voltage but is 1 AMP output... or 1,000 MILI amps.
If I use the Blackberry charger in my new Samsung Droid Charge will that mess anything up in the Samsung? could it shorten the life of the battery?
Thanks!
sure can, including wall chargers and car chargers
well if the amperage doesn't match exactly couldn't that mess up the Droid Charge?
it should be fine...but you might confuse your phone into thinking that it is a cutting edge smartphone circa 2006
If the power output of the charger you want to use is rated at less than what the OEM one is, you would only damage the charger itself if it isn't made properly.
The phone will pull a specific charge from the charger, say 500mA as an example. If the charger is rated at 400mA and doesn't have wiring to prevent an over-draw, you will damage the charger, especially if you use it for extended periods of time. If the charger does have circuitry to prevent over-drawing power, you'll just charge the phone slower. If you use a charger rated at 1000mA and the phone pulls down 500mA, using a higher rated charger doesn't make the phone charge faster as it will still just pull the 500mA. You'd just be less likely to damage the charger using one rated for more than what the device will accept.
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If the power output of the charger you want to use is rated at less than what the OEM one is, you would only damage the charger itself if it isn't made properly.
The phone will pull a specific charge from the charger, say 500mA as an example. If the charger is rated at 400mA and doesn't have wiring to prevent an over-draw, you will damage the charger, especially if you use it for extended periods of time. If the charger does have circuitry to prevent over-drawing power, you'll just charge the phone slower. If you use a charger rated at 1000mA and the phone pulls down 500mA, using a higher rated charger doesn't make the phone charge faster as it will still just pull the 500mA. You'd just be less likely to damage the charger using one rated for more than what the device will accept.
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I had purchased a usb cable a couple of years ago on kijiji for my BB bold back then because I didnt have a charger for it. Then I got the S3 and one time I randomly used the BB cable connected to the S3 charger via USB, I noticed the phone charged WAYY faster than the normal S3 cable does. Now I got an S4, and it still charges a lot faster than the normal cable for it. In fact I'm charging both my S3 and S4 at the same time right now, the S3 with normal cable charged from 4% to 15% in the exact same amount of time my S4 charged from 48% to 72% with BB cable. Does this mean I'm damaging my charger that's connected to the BB cable?
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I had purchased a usb cable a couple of years ago on kijiji for my BB bold back then because I didnt have a charger for it. Then I got the S3 and one time I randomly used the BB cable connected to the S3 charger via USB, I noticed the phone charged WAYY faster than the normal S3 cable does. Now I got an S4, and it still charges a lot faster than the normal cable for it. In fact I'm charging both my S3 and S4 at the same time right now, the S3 with normal cable charged from 4% to 15% in the exact same amount of time my S4 charged from 48% to 72% with BB cable. Does this mean I'm damaging my charger that's connected to the BB cable?
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If by charger you mean that little box that plugs into the wall, that is actually a power supply. It just converts 120VAC 20A to 5VDC and whatever current it specifies. Also the stock s4 uses qualcomm quick charge, which means that if you use the stock power supply with the s4, it will charge at up to twice normal speed, provided you have a compatible cable (which it seems the BB cable is).
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Hey,
I noticed that the droid charge has a bigger battery but it take a lifetime to charge.. is there a better charger I can get other than the one that came stock with the phone? Please let me know. I would really appreciate it.
The stock actually charges fast compared to USB...use a higher amperage charger with the stock usb cord (so it doesn't limit to 500ma). I use my Galaxy Tab charger...works great
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kvswim said:
The stock actually charges fast compared to USB...use a higher amperage charger with the stock usb cord (so it doesn't limit to 500ma). I use my Galaxy Tab charger...works great
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Well I am using the USB in the pc and the battery has not moved once notch ... has to be the rom (gingerbread) or the combnation of usb cord and charger.
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Well I am using the USB in the pc and the battery has not moved once notch ... has to be the rom (gingerbread) or the combnation of usb cord and charger.
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PC USB ports do not do a good job charging phones. they don't have a lot of power going to them. In addition, if you're using your phone while its charging from your computer you will not likely see it charging at all since all the power its getting is going to whatever it is your doing.
The same is true of car chargers. I had mine plugged in in the car for 45 minutes using the GPS. It charged 2%. The point is, the only real effective way to charge your phone is by using a regular outlet.
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PC USB ports do not do a good job charging phones. they don't have a lot of power going to them. In addition, if you're using your phone while its charging from your computer you will not likely see it charging at all since all the power its getting is going to whatever it is your doing.
The same is true of car chargers. I had mine plugged in in the car for 45 minutes using the GPS. It charged 2%. The point is, the only real effective way to charge your phone is by using a regular outlet.
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Correct about the pc charging; it only runs at .5 amps (500 ma) while the stock charger has 1 amp. However, the car charger really depends on what kind you're using. I use a 2A and it charges fine.
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streetlightman said:
PC USB ports do not do a good job charging phones. they don't have a lot of power going to them. In addition, if you're using your phone while its charging from your computer you will not likely see it charging at all since all the power its getting is going to whatever it is your doing.
The same is true of car chargers. I had mine plugged in in the car for 45 minutes using the GPS. It charged 2%. The point is, the only real effective way to charge your phone is by using a regular outlet.
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ok cool. so i could just look for a charger will higher voltage being delivered. I hope i get the right one that is compatible to the droid charge. Dont wanna burn the battery out etc
No, not voltage. Amperage. Big difference. Just get a charger with a USB port and a high amperage...I don't think you'll find a higher amp charger specifically compatible with the Charge.
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No, not voltage. Amperage. Big difference. Just get a charger with a USB port and a high amperage...I don't think you'll find a higher amp charger specifically compatible with the Charge.
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ok thanks!
You need a charger that won't be seen as a USB connection on the phone. If the phone thinks that it is plugged into your computer, it will charge at roughly half the rate of the wall charger. Wall charger will charge at ~700mA I believe, and the USB/Computer connection will charge at ~400mA. You can find the actual numbers in the power regulator driver in the kernel source though.
I have a motorola 950 amp car charger I got off amazon for $5. It works well but if the screen is full bright and I'm running navagation I have seen the battery level drop. To keep up you need a 1+amp charger. That being said the harder you charge the batteries the quicker they will wear out.
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You need a charger that won't be seen as a USB connection on the phone. If the phone thinks that it is plugged into your computer, it will charge at roughly half the rate of the wall charger. Wall charger will charge at ~700mA I believe, and the USB/Computer connection will charge at ~400mA. You can find the actual numbers in the power regulator driver in the kernel source though.
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This is pretty interesting. I'm not a phone dev or an electrician, but I assume these mA numbers are something that are 1) lower than what is actually safe and 2) might be able to be tweaked by a dev with nothing better to do. Not that you are even close to falling in that category, but I think many users would be quite interested in being able to get more charge out of shorter durations, albeit at the risk of burning out their phones.
Search for my responses here on charging cables... Sorry but I'm at 35,000 feet in an airliner and can't search very well to include a link. The "magic" to allow a charge current greater than 500ma is either in the stock AC charger or in a "charge only" cable. The data wires to the phone have to be shorted otherwise the phone will think that it is plugged into a computer and will start USB services and will limit the charging current. Cheapest to fabricate your own adapter!
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So it wont harm my battery at all to use my galaxy tab charger on my phone? What about in the long run will it degrade faster?
I think the phone has intelligent charging logic (like the newest iphones) so if you keep it cool it will take care of itself. YMMV however!
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You could have a 10 amp charger, and if it is picked up as a computer/usb connection, the phone is going to pull the same amount of current as it would just plugging it in to your computer. The same goes for car and wall chargers that get picked up as a computer/usb connection. It doesn't matter what charge rate the charger supports, the phone is going to pull the same current as it is regulated to via the kernel. The only time it won't pull the full charge current it is setup to pull is if you have a charger that is rated for a slower charge rate than what the phone wants AND it won't allow charging above its stated capacity (any good charger should do this).
I have looked around (not much though) at how to make the charge rate faster before, but couldn't see how to do anything besides make the phone charge as fast over USB as it can via the wall charger. However, from what I have read, Li Ion batteries do better if they receive a slower charge to full and will not die as fast compared to being rapidly charged.
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You could have a 10 amp charger, and if it is picked up as a computer/usb connection, the phone is going to pull the same amount of current as it would just plugging it in to your computer. The same goes for car and wall chargers that get picked up as a computer/usb connection. It doesn't matter what charge rate the charger supports, the phone is going to pull the same current as it is regulated to via the kernel. The only time it won't pull the full charge current it is setup to pull is if you have a charger that is rated for a slower charge rate than what the phone wants AND it won't allow charging above its stated capacity (any good charger should do this).
I have looked around (not much though) at how to make the charge rate faster before, but couldn't see how to do anything besides make the phone charge as fast over USB as it can via the wall charger. However, from what I have read, Li Ion batteries do better if they receive a slower charge to full and will not die as fast compared to being rapidly charged.
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Slow charging is true to some extent, but there is no need to charge our battery's under 1.5amp.
And shorting the two data pins on the USB doesn't work it looks for a specific resistance, I saw the ohm load somewhere, but now of course I can't find it lol..
When I get really bored tonight I will edit this and figure it out. But yeah our phones can easily pull 800ma or more with full screen brightness and maxed out processor. So that would result in no charging at all on some chargers. I use a 2a wall charger that came with my evo and it charges very very quickly. Never more than 1 hour to full charge unless I am gaming on it while it charges lol. This is using the cord that came with the phone of course so that it knows it isn't in a data enabled usb slot.
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So it wont harm my battery at all to use my galaxy tab charger on my phone? What about in the long run will it degrade faster?
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In electronics, when given a voltage source (as opposed to a current source) the Voltage is set to a fixed value. That is what our wall USB outlets are. Voltage sources
Think of Voltage like a waterfall. The water is always dropping from the same height. The voltage is always set to the same value.
The mA rating (the current) is determined by how much juice the phone can pull. Just because a charger is capable of supplying more current (say 1 or 2 amps), it doesn't mean that the Droid is going to draw that much current. However, if the droid is capable of pulling more current, it will benefit by charging faster.
Does that help at all?
*edit* Dang it. Didn't scroll down enough to see that imnuts posted already. Oh well, screw it. I'm leaving my post. lol. People who don't know about Voltage and Amperage need to hear the waterfall example at some point in their lives.
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In electronics, when given a voltage source (as opposed to a current source) the Voltage is set to a fixed value. That is what our wall USB outlets are. Voltage sources
Think of Voltage like a waterfall. The water is always dropping from the same height. The voltage is always set to the same value.
The mA rating (the current) is determined by how much juice the phone can pull. Just because a charger is capable of supplying more current (say 1 or 2 amps), it doesn't mean that the Droid is going to draw that much current. However, if the droid is capable of pulling more current, it will benefit by charging faster.
Does that help at all?
*edit* Dang it. Didn't scroll down enough to see that imnuts posted already. Oh well, screw it. I'm leaving my post. lol. People who don't know about Voltage and Amperage need to hear the waterfall example at some point in their lives.
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I don't really understand this because voltage and amperage are different things...
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When I get really bored tonight I will edit this and figure it out. But yeah our phones can easily pull 800ma or more with full screen brightness and maxed out processor. So that would result in no charging at all on some chargers. I use a 2a wall charger that came with my evo and it charges very very quickly. Never more than 1 hour to full charge unless I am gaming on it while it charges lol. This is using the cord that came with the phone of course so that it knows it isn't in a data enabled usb slot.
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Did you read anything I posted The phone is only going to pull a set charge rate, depending on what type of connection it sees. It doesn't care what power rating the connection has, it will pull as much power as it can, up to the limit defined in the power regulator of the kernel. You can use a 1A charger, or a 2A charger, doesn't matter, the phone is still only going to pull a set. The phone will pull 475mA via USB connection (your computer) or 800mA via an AC adapter (wall charger). Unless you figure out how to hack the battery driver to allow a faster charge, those are the two rates you get, regardless of how much power the wall charger can supply.
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I don't really understand this because voltage and amperage are different things...
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A charger is going to provide a set voltage (5V I believe) and that is the only constant in the charging process for what is going into the phone. The amperage is going to be determined by the phone or the wall charger. The only time the wall charger will be the limiting part in charging is if its circuitry is setup to cut off charging over a certain level, and if it is rated for a lower charging rate, odds are, it probably won't cut it off and instead produce a fire hazard.
Something else people don't realize is that the charging rate isn't just bad for the battery if you charge to fast, pulling to much power in to charge the battery, especially while using the phone, creates a heat problem as well. While the phone will shut itself down before any major damage can occur, why would you even want to create a situation that could potentially damage the phone hardware?
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Did you read anything I posted The phone is only going to pull a set charge rate, depending on what type of connection it sees. It doesn't care what power rating the connection has, it will pull as much power as it can, up to the limit defined in the power regulator of the kernel. You can use a 1A charger, or a 2A charger, doesn't matter, the phone is still only going to pull a set. The phone will pull 475mA via USB connection (your computer) or 800mA via an AC adapter (wall charger). Unless you figure out how to hack the battery driver to allow a faster charge, those are the two rates you get, regardless of how much power the wall charger can supply.
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what about car chargers? i have one that I think is 2A and it seems to charge my phone a bit faster than my wall charger
blazing through on my VZ Droid Charge 4G
I bought a 1amp wireless charger. Now question is if my kernel supports fast charge and I toggle it on and plug this charger into USB on a computer vs the charger in the wall....will it still pull maximum output in amps the wireless charger could do. So it would be the same effect...through wireless?
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Yeah, it'll take as much as the 500mah as it can from the computer and same goes for the 1amp wall charger. You just have to remember that wireless charging isn't 100% efficient, so 1amp input actually comes out to around 700~mah.
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Yeah, it'll take as much as the 500mah as it can from the computer and same goes for the 1amp wall charger. You just have to remember that wireless charging isn't 100% efficient, so 1amp input actually comes out to around 700~mah.
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I'm not so sure about that. Fast charge detects a usb charge and treats it like a wall charge. But if the phone is charging wirelessly it's not plugged into usb. I don't think fast charge will have any effect on wireless charging. That's my understanding anyway.
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I'm not so sure about that. Fast charge detects a usb charge and treats it like a wall charge. But if the phone is charging wirelessly it's not plugged into usb. I don't think fast charge will have any effect on wireless charging. That's my understanding anyway.
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Oh, I was talking about wireless charging in general. Not sure if it would work with fast charge or not though.