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Open touch 7.x ring issue

Sorry for starting a new thread. ttran has put lot of work in 7.x roms and they are the best rom till date. Excellent response time and out of the world UI and features. However it has a serious issue which is present is almost every 7.x rom.
If there a call coming from blocked number and your backlight is off (as most of time it will be) the phone doesn't ring/vibrate. Just the backlight turns on it shows the number on screen. But it doesn't ring/vibrate.
This is the issue with virgin 7.x rom installed. No additional software installed or no additional settings done. I have flashed 7.3, 7.4.1, 7.6 (with phonecanvas and without phonecanvas) roms and have issue in all of these roms. Now I flashed back to 6.5 and it is working as expected.
It is very easy to reproduce. With any 7.x rom
1) switch off the backlight if it is not already off by pressing the button on top of phone
2) call your phone from another phone with caller id blocked. (If in US, you can put *67 in front of number you are dialing. e.g. instead of dialing 12345671234 dial *6712345671234)
You will see that screen turns on and shows a private call, but it doesn't ring.
Without this working I miss several important calls.
If anyone has a solution or need more info please reply to this thread.
EDIT: Good news.. This isssue is no longer present in OTP 7.7.. I just flashed to 7.7 biggy and it doesn't have that issue. Thanks TTRAN !!

I'm using OTP 7.3 STD and this happens. But honestly I think of it more as a
special feature - since I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to be bothered by
anyone who is blocking or has a blocked ID. Callers can still leave voice mail and
that comes with an audible and visual alert - and if I like 'em, I can call 'em back.

DrStinkbomb said:
I'm using OTP 7.3 STD and this happens. But honestly I think of it more as a
special feature - since I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to be bothered by
anyone who is blocking or has a blocked ID. Callers can still leave voice mail and
that comes with an audible and visual alert - and if I like 'em, I can call 'em back.
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I third this problem,
DrStinkbomb, i have exactly the same thoughts about not answering those who want to be private, but it has its down aswell.
Just day before yesterday i was waiting for a call from NYC Police because they have fix my car for damaging it while trying to catch a suspect. They did call me back, but from a private number, lucky for me i had my phone on my desk beside my computer and saw the light coming up. Thats when i relialzed that i almost missed a very important call.
So yes it is important to get it fixed.

yea i dont answer if they block their number anyway... they can just leave a message if i dont know who it is... so this is actually a good feature

Unfortunately, with the doctors and lawyers (not to mention the couple generally paranoid quacks) in the family I foresee this being a potential issue for me. I haven't noticed it yet, but the holiday's aren't yet in everyone's mind...

Though some users like not answering calls from blocked number, however as tatail mentioned, sometimes it is very important to take calls.
Several times banks, hospital, doctor etc. call from a blocked number and you really don't want to miss those calls.
I have to revert back to 6.5 rom just because of this issue.
I hope someone knowledgeable can come up with solution.

hoolahoous said:
Sorry for starting a new thread.
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No you're not. In fact, you're rather unapologetic about it, considering you had thought about it before doing it, and decided to do it anyway.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
k.thx.bai

dumpydooby said:
No you're not. In fact, you're rather unapologetic about it, considering you had thought about it before doing it, and decided to do it anyway.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
k.thx.bai
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chill dude.. I am not complaining. I am pointing out a issue. finding out bugs is part of development process so cook can put it in next rom or people can find solution together. If you read my posts, you will see that I have been a big fan of ttran's rom. I have posted solution myself for a bluetooth issue I found in one of the earlier roms. As you would have noticed I have tried to do my part by doing debugging (flashing different roms, about 12 to 13 times with different options and finally isolating the issue)
We are in this together to make it better.

hoolahoous said:
chill dude.. I am not complaining. I am pointing out a issue. finding out bugs is part of development process so cook can put it in next rom or people can find solution together. If you read my posts, you will see that I have been a big fan of ttran's rom. I have posted solution myself for a bluetooth issue I found in one of the earlier roms. As you would have noticed I have tried to do my part by doing debugging (flashing different roms, about 12 to 13 times with different options and finally isolating the issue)
We are in this together to make it better.
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Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
And no, 'I'm Special,' is not an acceptable answer.

coburn_c said:
Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
And no, 'I'm Special,' is not an acceptable answer.
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Easy guys, no need for all the hostility. Maybe the post would have been better suited in the OTP 7x posts, but is it really that big of a deal? Either way, he is just trying to help.

dougstoner said:
Easy guys, no need for all the hostility. Maybe the post would have been better suited in the OTP 7x posts, but is it really that big of a deal? Either way, he is just trying to help.
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No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.

coburn_c said:
No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.
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No, I don't need any assistance, I don't have this issue. I think he saw there were a bunch of people that were having the same issue, so I guess that's why he posted it here. I agree, the post would be better served in the OT7 post, but I do think he was just trying to help.

rofl - what I find funnier than the new thread are the 'holier than thou' posts that keep bumping the thread to the top....
hahaha....
you guys are funny. And now I've bumped this thread.... awesome...

DrStinkbomb said:
rofl - what I find funnier than the new thread are the 'holier than thou' posts that keep bumping the thread to the top....
hahaha....
you guys are funny. And now I've bumped this thread.... awesome...
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LOL! bumped again.

coburn_c said:
Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
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i think you answered your question yourself. the OTP thread is so massive with 'irrelevant' posts that the big issues get buried. And if you had taken time to read the actual OTP thread, I had posted it in that thread (don't tell me you never read the OTP thread).
In fact ttran himself had offered to fix this issue ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2756237&highlight=vibrate#post2756237 ) . But I think because of ton's of posts after that it got buried. I did not want to bug ttran with PM's. He already has tons of things to do.
I am just hoping to find a solution collectively.
If you had not started whining about this thread, maybe we would be closer to fix which can be given to ttran so he can add it to his next rom.

coburn_c said:
No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.
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What's wrong with pointing out a potentially serious issue and offering to help ?
Here are the rules from forum (in case you forgot to read them)
- ROM discussion
- ROM release
- ROM issus due to the release thread
I never said I need it fixed now. I have already flashed back to 6.5.
I am offering to help anyone and provide any required info who knows more about roms than me.

hoolahoous said:
i think you answered your question yourself. the OTP thread is so massive with 'irrelevant' posts that the big issues get buried. And if you had taken time to read the actual OTP thread, I had posted it in that thread (don't tell me you never read the OTP thread).
In fact ttran himself had offered to fix this issue ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2756237&highlight=vibrate#post2756237 ) . But I think because of ton's of posts after that it got buried. I did not want to bug ttran with PM's. He already has tons of things to do.
I am just hoping to find a solution collectively.
If you had not started whining about this thread, maybe we would be closer to fix which can be given to ttran so he can add it to his next rom.
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the current post is what, 12 pages? and if you cant be bothered to read the thread, and find out if the answer is already there... or even re-post there and wait for ttran to see it...
i came to this site and read everything i could find, i never once asked a question so that i could be spoon fed answers, i searched and found all the info i needed, and i certainly never created repetitive, self-serving posts in development forums
but you're right, i'm whining, when i should have just ignored the question and questioner, duly noted.
edit: also just for kicks, my phone rings just fine when the caller ID is blocked otp 7.6

coburn_c said:
the current post is what, 12 pages? and if you cant be bothered to read the thread, and find out if the answer is already there... or even re-post there and wait for ttran to see it...
i came to this site and read everything i could find, i never once asked a question so that i could be spoon fed answers, i searched and found all the info i needed, and i certainly never created repetitive, self-serving posts in development forums
but you're right, i'm whining, when i should have just ignored the question and questioner, duly noted.
edit: also just for kicks, my phone rings just fine when the caller ID is blocked otp 7.6
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Way ahead of you. My eyesight must be weaker than you since even after reading all the posts, I could not find the solution. I had reposted it couple of times in original thread. Also if you had read the thread carefully, you will find that several other people have exactly same issue. Though none of them could reproduce it. I was able to isolate and reproduce it after spending lot of time. What have you done to contribute to development of the ROM's (except trolling in forums)
If you can find solution to all your problems by searching, good for you.
This is a public forum (meant for discussing issues), and there are owners/moderators defining the rules. As per rules they permit posting the issues. You seem to be hell bent on policing the forum, and enforcing your own views (I see you just joined this forum a month back).
I had repeatedly said that this is not a "please-fix-it-for-me-i-must-have-it" thread (though it would be good to have this fixed ) since I have already switched to previous version which doesn't have this issue. In addition I am offering to help others isolate/debug the problem.
Just for kicks, why don't you try to switch off the backlight of your phone and try calling from blocked number ?

You know.... Tran did make a thread for rom issues... dont forget that, and i quote
"Please post your issues here since the original thread is getting way too big.
Also, please post your fixes for possible minor issues, this will help new users until I update the rom.
Do not post any thing else in this thread besides issue related stuff."
WOW, he even says please in his thread... what a little reading will do...

And so, the moral to this story is...
I'm not sure. All I'm getting from all
this is 'I am holier than thou'....
'nuff said. It's not funny anymore.

Standardised form for bugs so Devs can glance at?

While I haven't been on XDA as long as some other members, I have gone through the mammoth threads that are Dude's and Cyanogen's and its just flooded with spam or often un-useful information most of the time.
This is a development thread after all and for those running either experimental or unstable builds are beta-testing for everyone else. Now there's no harm in having a bit of chit-chat here and there to lighten things up but some issues seem to get lost amongst the ten's of posts just saying "Flashing now/issues after flashing a theme/etc".
They are experimental/unstable for a reason!
I was wondering though, if it would be beneficial to devs to have some sort of standardised form for bugs and issues. Yes I know we could probably use a wiki or support tickets offered on other sites, but generally many things get posted here on XDA first.
I was thinking of a simple list that users could copy and paste to make things easier to see at a glance and to improve on search hits. Something like this:
ROM Build:
Theme:
ROM Issue:
Issue Keywords:
Reproducible:
Wiped before install:
Re-installed/reflashed:
Logcat:
Searched for answer:
An example of a report as below...
ROM Build: Cyanogen 3.9.6
Theme: Stock
ROM Issue: Cannot run MyTracks (be specific as possible)
Issue Keywords: MyTracks ForceClose
Reproducible: Yes (put in steps)
Wiped before install: No
Re-installed/reflashed: Yes, re-installed MyTracks
Logcat: Attached/No
Searched for answer: Yes
It can be added to though so I'll leave it to you guys to offer up suggestions.
The "Issue Keywords" part should flag up easier during searches, so if you run a search for "Issue Keywords Mytracks Forceclose", technically speaking it should link to this thread.
What do you guys think? Its a longshot I know for most members to copy and paste before they reply but if it becomes a habit, maybe it will become easier for devs to track issues for themselves to prioritise or offer solutions.

FLASHING NOW
Kidding, I think a standardized form would be useful and I think any issue somone reports must have a logcat or it should be thrown out with the exception of phones that won't boot at all and a logcat can't be created. I think posts like "this don't work' are largely useless to developers.

lol I was reading through the Hero dev threads before and all I saw was one liners with FLASHING NOW/CAN'T WAIT/ROSIEEEE etc. While enthusiam is a fantastic thing, sadly more information is often needed to fix any issues that might pop up.
I don't expect, and neither should anyone else, a dev to read though 200+ pages of posts to only find that there are only a handful of issues that are actually ROM related and not solvable by other members with a little effort.

A general thread for a rom that's a little more open and a straight bug report thread would probably help all invovled maybe u can pm a few developers about this idea to see if there is any support for it.
Aso a moderator that can provide tight strict support of the bug thread to keep it on the striaght and narrow

I have suggested to the mods before about having a totally seperate section just for ROMs and that but it looks like it was debunked, along with having any new moderators for this place.
Which is a shame because a lot of threads and points do get lost amongst the often pointless posts that are made, which makes searching and reading them a chore.
I'm not sure what the moderator support is like for the Dream section, I've only seen Mikey being active in trying to establish any ground rules. Have offered my services though if required but will try to help out whenever I can.
I'll ask around though to see if devs would be interested in trying to standardise reports here on XDA and hopefully other members might follow suit before posting.

I really like this idea. It would be nice to have everyone on the same page. I would also like to see a feature where you HAVE to put your info in a sig. The hardest thing about helping people is lack of info. With this in place, everyone will be a lot happier to help then if you just said, "I have a problem" and expecting everyone to read your mind.
Good idea NeoBlade!
I second this idea.

Thanks! After all it just makes it easier for the people here, be it devs or helpful members, to diagnose and to figure out solutions when troubleshooting. Its the same process that I use when helping people with technical issues on computers - The more relevant info available, the easier it becomes to track.
Cuts out a lot of guesswork I find.
Enforcing it into your signature would be nice but from the looks of it, most people have put in the effort to display the latest info at least, not all though which can't be helped since its understandable.
At the end of the day, most of us are willing to help out others, as long as they put in a little effort too.

What about a bug tracker? Maybe not even something as formal as a bug tracker but something along those lines. We could set it up to force certain information before submitting a bug such as their current rom, a2sd setup, phone model, motherboard, etc. I am a web developer so if I get some extra time I could write something up pretty quick. Just a thought.

chuckhriczko said:
What about a bug tracker? Maybe not even something as formal as a bug tracker but something along those lines. We could set it up to force certain information before submitting a bug such as their current rom, a2sd setup, phone model, motherboard, etc. I am a web developer so if I get some extra time I could write something up pretty quick. Just a thought.
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most of the devs are using googlecode which has a bugtracker with it

There's a link to this in Cyanogen's Experimental thread
I think this is a great idea, so don't get me wrong, I just think it's more complicated than bug hunting.
A lot of what gets discussed sometimes isn't directly related to the ROM, but things like best swap methods and battery ussage do end up incorporated into the ROMs. Most people who post on these things do know what they're talking about and do make a contribution to the ROM, and other ROMs, too, and it necessarily stems from the discussion about the ROM, in my experience, most of the time.
In general, if I post, I try to address some sort of work around or solution to a problem that not everyone is having with the ROM. The fora aren't just for the ROM Devs, the rest of us read them, too, and get a lot out of them, despite the occaisional inanity.
If you go through the HTC Wizard ROM Forum, you'll see the same thing, and a ton more heated arguments. What happens as the ROMs progress, is that fewer bugs come up, and the fora get cleaned up right along with them.
What I might suggest is that people title their posts (perhaps be required to do so) with [Bug Report], [Request], [Solution], [Work around], [Comment], [Question], [Discussion], maybe [Misc.] to help sort through the parts of a forum. All of these parts are important enough, and mostly do contribute somehow to the results, which is a great ROM, but the process is people being in the discussion, and that's what's really going on. Wiktionary: forum I imagine if people did this, at least they would have to identify what it is that they're posting, which is where I see the problem. If people were required to think before they post by taking some sort of labelling action, they might second-guess themselves and save the keyboard for something more useful to others. At the least it would let anyone, devs included, filter.
It also might be handy if I could delete my own threads & posts that were errantly posted. We all have them somewhere. And people who post thier feelings rather than their cohesive, relevant thoughts will only be eradicated by educating the masses, so, pay your property taxes and find out what's going on with your local schools (we may be stuck for now, but there's always hope.).

Yeah there is an active bug tracker at googlecode already, but I can't really see many people actively taking the time to actually post there and fill in the relevant information.
I have no issue though with discussions in a thread as it adds character and can provide a friendly environment for people to help each other. More often than not, when people see others helping out, they would chime in too with a contribution.
I think Cyanogen though has killed off any compcache/linux swap discussions earlier on as he mentioned in his post that he didn't want to hear anymore of it And it has actually remained as so - There are plenty of such threads that exist already.
I agree though Janis with a structured standard title in their posts. It only takes a couple of seconds but can help people skim through what is banter and what issues might need looking at. I'll do so from here on it too (if only fast reply supports post titles!).
Would be nice if there was a notes/announcements section put up on certain sub-forums too outlining some form of post structure like what was mentioned. I'm more familiar with IPB/phpBB personally but I'm sure vBulletin supports it too.

[attention] iron fist anouncement

You've probably read the new Operation Iron Fist going on here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1159
As of now, I will no longer stand for the way some things are going here. If I see ANY trolling, flaming, or disrespectful behaviour, you will receive an infraction on the spot. No more warnings.
Also, offtopic chatter on the development forums is exceptionally high here. This will stop, since I will also infract upon it.
Just one more thing: if you encounter ANY of above mentioned offences, let me know ASAP, instead of foulmouthing about it on the public forum. If I see that, you WILL get an infraction too.
I am sorry for acting this way, but you guys are forcing me to do this.

Sounds good to me, unless "iron fist" translates in reality to Naziism.
There's a difference in insulting people, and trying to contribute and being attacked. I tried to contribute by pointing out that there were several bugs that were fairly severe. If a user doesn't point them out, what's the point of ever releasing anything beyond 1.0 and then closing the thread?
However, there's a small group of users in the community who have resorted to fanaticism, and when someone goes that direction it shouldn't be tolerated. When I get criticized for bringing up a bug, and told I'm a "habitual complainer" how is that supposed to encourage anyone to want to participate in the DEVELOPMENT of anything for any phone? For some reason the Infuse 4G participants who I'm referring to seem really on edge, and speak out (often personally) about anyone who says anything aside from praise.
We're not here to be reassured that the world is 100% good, and that everything everyone says is amazing, we're here to participate in an active development community, be it as a developer, or as a contributing end user. The moment you criticize your user base is the moment you go from being an open community of developers and end users to a system of dictatorship, and closed platformism (yeah, it's a word now because I said so), lol.
To the people who squash anyone who's new, or doesn't know something, or volunteers that they're having a problem and need help, STOP. There's no need to make someone feel bad for asking a question a second time in a 3000+ post thread and then criticizing them for not reading the answer in post 2106 on page 291. There's no need to tell someone they are full of crap when they say they're having internet speed issues, and that since it works for you to your satisfaction that they're obviously less intelligent. There's no reason to tell someone they're wrong just because you disagree with them.
To make this a "community" everyone has to be understanding that everyone has their opinions, and that we're all here to make the phone in whatever thread a better phone.
Without developers, this site wouldn't exist. Without end users wanting mods, this site wouldn't exist. If you continue to alienate anyone who's new and turn this into a fanboy forum, it's just going to send them back to Apple iOS forums and devices. If that's how you want to help turn the mobile community, fine, but personally, I don't.
Bella

True to some extent. But the main problem is this:
NeoS2007 said:
Just one more thing: if you encounter ANY of above mentioned offences, let me know ASAP, instead of foulmouthing about it on the public forum. If I see that, you WILL get an infraction too.
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Most people here think they can say ANYTHING to ANYONE. That's not what this forum is about. It's aimed at development and not discussion. If you feel you should debate in any way, move to another forum.
And you can call my method anything you like, I used to warn everyone before acting, but that's over. You of all people should know that.

I'm not about to take any sides, but Bella, you're completely out of line. Being part of the community is different than creating your own community. This is a group working together towards a common goal. To reach that goal, we must provide detailed, factual and documented information to the dev(s) so that we can enable them to create the best possible releases. I've seen no images, logcat, etc. that was provided by you. Granted, there are several others in the forum not providing these details, but there are several who have provided very specific and detailed information. It took far too long for you to provide this kind of information and it only turned the conversation south. You are not alone, so know I am not singing you out; there were several others who contributed to a negative environment. The reason for my posting this is because you were the only one to come here and plead your case.
That said, this is a community filled with individuals. We all have different personalities and will act and react differently to different scenarios. Hopefully this can be the beginning of a constructive and collaborative effort by us all to truly bring our Infuse to the next level.
I will not retort nor reply, I am simply sharing my views and experiences in this forum so far. The Captivate started off rough, but never reached this level. It won't be easy resurrecting this one from the ashes, but it can be done.

Right, you say I was unable to provide any factual data, yet I responded each time with factual and accurate data that was requested by GTG. I think some people get frustrated because often issues that come up are issues they just don't know how to solve, and often that leads to accusations that the end user is crazy, unintelligent, or just uncooperative, when the case is the opposite.
Clearly in the end I identified a data connectivity issue first (review thread if you like) that's been significant enough for him now to pull the ROM until he can resolve the issue. Rather than fellow members responding with productive comments, they responded in an attacking manor. My point was valid (as vetted by GTG at this point), and for those who weren't having the issue, why pipe in and say there's no problem? Do you take your car to the mechanic and tell him everything is working fine?
Initially I was called a complainer for bringing it to the attention. Unfortunately as a developer you can't expect that an end user is always going to be able to provide the detail you need. If I had the experience and desire to build a ROM I'd do it myself. It's kinda like building a house then expecting to know where to find a pipe junction inside a wall that only you know where it is. There's only so much expectation you can have of the end users.
Additionally, this is not the Google Developers Forum. This is not a forum of official Android releases, this is a hobbyist community of people who want to tinker with their phone. If a developer wants to be in an environment of developing for Google, maybe they ought to apply for a position at google.com/jobs. The ROMs that come out of XDA are great, but we have to realize there is nothing official about anything that comes from these forums.
I think the comment should be changed from "development, not discussion" to development and on-topic discussion. Because if you discourage discussion, it's like discouraging shopping in a mall. Discussion is what makes a forum like this great.
I'll certainly commit to staying on topic in the future.

Have at it neo. Thanks
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App

Bella, you never provided the data requested. You just compared two modems - this was NOT what gtg asked for. He asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 performance. After looking through the thread, I'm fairly certain never provided this information, you just maintained that you had provided the requested data because of your modem comparison tests.
Perhaps you were under the mistaken impression that 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 was a modem firmware change - if you had opened the update zip to analyze the contents you would see that it was not. There's a reason gtg specifically asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 and not to compare UCKE3 vs UXKG3 modems, and the latter is what you did.
Also, the network connectivity issue was only one of the reasons gtg pulled the ROM. He was trying to be nice, but the poor attitude of many users in the thread was a MAJOR contribution to the ROM pull also. In addition to that, at least two developers have stated either in posts here or on IRC that they are extremely uneasy about releasing any ROM images on these forums because of the poor behavior on these threads. It is also why I currently have a "no support, don't PM me" policy for the kernel I released - it was the only solution to getting experienced users the build that many were asking for without subjecting myself to the painful experience gtg did.

PLEASE have at it! I haven't visited this forum in a few years (iPhone) and now that i'm back with an Infuse this place isn't anything like it use to be.
My 2cents.

Entropy512 said:
Bella, you never provided the data requested. You just compared two modems - this was NOT what gtg asked for. He asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 performance. After looking through the thread, I'm fairly certain never provided this information, you just maintained that you had provided the requested data because of your modem comparison tests.
Perhaps you were under the mistaken impression that 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 was a modem firmware change - if you had opened the update zip to analyze the contents you would see that it was not. There's a reason gtg specifically asked you to compare 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 and not to compare UCKE3 vs UXKG3 modems, and the latter is what you did.
Also, the network connectivity issue was only one of the reasons gtg pulled the ROM. He was trying to be nice, but the poor attitude of many users in the thread was a MAJOR contribution to the ROM pull also. In addition to that, at least two developers have stated either in posts here or on IRC that they are extremely uneasy about releasing any ROM images on these forums because of the poor behavior on these threads. It is also why I currently have a "no support, don't PM me" policy for the kernel I released - it was the only solution to getting experienced users the build that many were asking for without subjecting myself to the painful experience gtg did.
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Understood. I provided what he asked to the best of my ability at the time ... I'd reference my post but I'm not digging through a 3000 message thread, sorry. :-(

Matt-Helm said:
PLEASE have at it! I haven't visited this forum in a few years (iPhone) and now that i'm back with an Infuse this place isn't anything like it use to be.
My 2cents.
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The Inspire and Aria forums were much more friendly, it's not this site, it's just the Infuse forum in general. I had a very positive experience in the Inspire threads

I think it was not the fact that you raised an issue that bothered the developers, it was the manner in which it was raised.
Also, look at it from a developer's perspective - when the thread is filled with posts that clearly indicate that the poster didn't even read the first post of the thread in its entirety (not saying that you did this, but many others did), it gets massively frustrating.
I've never seen so many people completely fail to read/comprehend the first post of a thread as the Infused v2 thread. Even after it was put into the first post as a known issue, we still got reports of HDMI not working every 3-4 pages.
After what could be effectively described only as an all-weekend hack session two weekends ago, everyone's been a bit exhausted/burned out. But everyone keeps demanding MORE MORE MORE!

Entropy512 said:
Also, look at it from a developer's perspective - when the thread is filled with posts that clearly indicate that the poster didn't even read the first post of the thread in its entirety (not saying that you did this, but many others did), it gets massively frustrating.
I've never seen so many people completely fail to read/comprehend the first post of a thread as the Infused v2 thread. Even after it was put into the first post as a known issue, we still got reports of HDMI not working every 3-4 pages.
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I agree 100% ... the only thing I can say is that remember that many people come from iphone, aka the dev team blog, which is much different. On theirs you read from the bottom up. I don't think that's an excuse since XDA uses the globally accepted standard in forums. But yeah, last night there were about 25 people in an hour asking why the links didn't work, lol.

Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!

AdamOutler said:
Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!
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I know my mouth (and legs) will be shut going forward.

Bravo Neo. Bravoooooooooooooo.

Thank you!
Looking forward to seeing a cleaned up forum!
by the way? how do u become an admin?
i spend way to much time on here...even while im at work (because its my job relates highly to this)

AdamOutler said:
Not really sure if this is on topic or not.... I just looked up "Iron Fisting" and this was the first result http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iron fisting
Holy cow! The mods/admins mean business!
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looking forward to clean and healthy forum.

I hope I'm not going to make any enemies by saying this, but I can't say I entirely agree with this being an iron fist. So far all that has been done is the Infused v2 ROM thread was locked. On any other forum I frequent they start with punishing the offenders individually, and only lock the thread as a last resort. I didn't see anybody get personally warned and I didn't see anybody get banned, and it really was only a handful that caused problems. I know there were a LOT of people that were posting the same questions over and over, but that can't be helped most of the time. The ones that were bickering and really ruining the thread are still posting happy as can be. I know it sounds like I'm questioning the mod(s) or being ungrateful, but I don't mean it that way. I just feel like we lost the ability to have an important and fun discussion before all the possible options were explored. Now if gtg asked for the thread to be locked then that is an entirely different matter, but I didn't get that impression from reading the last post.
I really do enjoy these forums and always have, and feel like this board is run very well. By this board, I mean the Infuse board. I just wanted to say that I don't know if I entirely agree with the way the infused thread was handled.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I know the mod(s) do this for free in their spare time, and I know that you can't police it 24/7. I really do appreciate your efforts at running this board, and the ONLY thing that I've seen that I take "issue" with is the handling of the Infused thread. Maybe there are things behind the scenes that I didn't see, and if that is the case then I apologize.

The Infused forum is only locked temporarily, as I asked the dev to contact me when his rom is finished.
Thanks for your support people. Just remember to report anything that's offensive/disrespectful/wrong/etc. and I'll take care of it.

NeoS2007 said:
The Infused forum is only locked temporarily, as I asked the dev to contact me when his rom is finished.
Thanks for your support people. Just remember to report anything that's offensive/disrespectful/wrong/etc. and I'll take care of it.
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I did see where it was locked only temporarily. I just wanted to get that off my chest, so to speak. It wasn't REALLY bugging me, but I did get pretty frustrated with how people were acting. It was pretty ridiculous. Like I said before, I really do appreciate your efforts to keep our forums running smoothly. Thank you for your continued presence and work, and for not taking my post personally, (at least I don't think you did ).

[Q] Wanting to Report a bug to the developer of a ROM

I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...

butsuriboy said:
I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?

zelendel said:
Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Yeah, I read through the tread, and as far as I can tell, the bug's been persistent through several versions of the rom. It was claimed that it was fixed with his latest version, but I guess not ...
The only fix I had found was to reboot the phone Today, the "app" to make calls (I think it's called "phone?") crashed several times, meaning I can't call people reliably, so I think I'm going to try a different rom. Thanks again for your help though!

same here. I'm having an issue with another rom myself, and just want to post to the developer a major bug that I am having. I read throug the entire forum post for that rom, and no one else mentioned the issue that I'm having.
its pretty bazaar that I when I answer a call waiting call no one can hear me. If I switch back to the original call, the same problem happens no one can hear me. This is only when i get another incoming phone call.
The rom i installed is for Energy Rom sense 3.5

Haha, well, if we keep posting to places like this, I guess we'll soon hit our 10 post limit
FYI for anyone that cares, I just installed CleanGB v1.1.2 (for the Epic 4G):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22241642
So far it seems pretty good. If I run into any issues, I guess I'll be posting here again xP

As already stated. There are Q&A forums for most devices. Use them.
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Update to the forums

I was just posting results of a new kernel I tried today and it dawned on me that the structure of these forums are not very good for giving feedback to devs or having devs receive feedback without digging through pages and pages of people having the same problems, but not searching. Then, people who want to try the rom/kernel/whatever ask "is this working for anyone?" since all they can see is problems people are having. Then, you'll generally get 1 or 2 posts confirming that everything works for 1 or 2 people, then back to problems that have already been addressed or are from improper set up (not wiping/wrong hboot/etc).
Now, that's how xda has been running pretty much since day 1. And that's all well and good, but if you want to try out the new version of cyanogenmod, for example, the first thing you do is check to be sure there aren't any major bugs that might turn your device into a paper weight. So you start reading every post on the development thread. After getting to page 15 and reading about all of the problems people are having for whatever reason, you day forget it and stick with whatever you were using before.
See, the issue here is that when a rom/kernel/whatever works, only a couple of people will confirm it. When someone had a specific problem, it may be just them, or others may be having it as well.
You can thank people, but what if you could +1 their posts to signify that you are having the same issue, or to simply agree that everything is working without adding clutter to the thread? Seems silly to just keep posting "this worked /didn't work for me too".
Thoughts? Comments?
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Sounds like a good ideea .
As you said , if is a lot easier just to see if , for example , a given solution is working by seeing how many ppl confirmed that it is working ( and not reading the next 20 pages of comments ).
You have my +1 on this

Haha thanks for the feedback. I think devs could have a dummy post just saying "everything works!" right on the first page that people could +1.
Also, this does seem to work kind of like a poll on a thread does, but the issue with polls is that they take up a lot of space, they aren't viewable on apps like tapatalk (AFAIK anyways), and you can't change your vote. Any other thoughts? Who would I bring this to to make it happen?
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