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This started yesterday using dutty's newest hybrid rom on the radio it comes with, i believe its 1.64.14.06, yeah thats it. This radio and rom has worked fine for me with great 3g coverage and everything, rom just seemed a little slower than his apr 09 32mpp rom. I then changed the radio to the niki 1.58.11.07 since that one works the best for me. After flashing, the first phone call i made or recieved worked fine on my jawbone bluetooth. Any call after the first one, completely nothing. Phone shows im connected, seconds tick away on phone showing im connected, person on other end cant hear anything as well as me. Ive tried calling and receiving calls from numerous numbers and people with same problem. I also tried turning off bluetooth and trying the speakerphone or regular ear piece on phone and still same problem. If i soft reset the phone then its back to the start, the first call either made or recieved works fine even on blutooth headset, speaker phone, or ear speaker on front of phone, then every call either made or recieved after the first nothing! I then flashed back to the stock 1.64.14.06 radio with no more problems. I then got tired of the newest hybrid rom since its slower then the previous apr 09 32mpp rom and flashed back to the apr 09 32mpp rom with stock radio 1.64.14.06. After making many calls and recieving many calls since this last flash, the problem just started again now on the apr 09 32mpp rom with the stock 1.64.14.06 radio! The same exact symptoms as before! Everything else works fine like gps, texting, e-mail, I just cant use the main feature of the cell phone which is to TALK to someone! Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking about flashing back to the stock att rom then flashing back to the apr 09 32mpp rom to see if that helps. Like i said before, the apr 09 32mpp rom has worked for me perfect for over 2 weeks until the newest hybrid came out and even the hybrid worked fine for the first few days. No programs are running in the background, no damage done to the phone, never dropped it, phone battery over 75 percent, cant figure out whats wrong? Please, if anyone can help???
Im gonna try to flash back to the niki radio 1.58.11.07 since i used that radio the most on this apr 09 32mpp rom. Still can't figure out what would cause this to happen to my phone for no reason? I havent downloaded any new apps or anything. Just stopped working!
just a thought but shouldnt you have posted this in the relative rom thread instead of starting a new thread but if i were you and liked the radio i had id reflash the same one try it out for a while if it happens again then try a new radio
sd73ta said:
just a thought but shouldnt you have posted this in the relative rom thread instead of starting a new thread but if i were you and liked the radio i had id reflash the same one try it out for a while if it happens again then try a new radio
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Of course i would post this in dutty's rom thread but have you seen his thread? Grows over 1,000 posts a day. The same time im typing up my problem, 10 other problems already got posted and so on. Thats why i posted this as a new thread, not to take up space but to get my problem answered and some help. Yes i did flash back to the niki rom just now and made over 7 calls and recieved a few just phone on my phone but that doesn't mean this problem won't happen in a day or in an hour. Like i stated in the first post, the roms (newest hybrid and apr 09 rom) worked perfect the first few days or even weeks and then BOOM, this problem hits for ? reason. Just looking to see if anyone on here can figure out why this happened so if it does happen again in the future for me or anyone else on this forum they will know how to fix it. Like i said before, i havent damaged my phone, no new cabs or programs added, soft reset my phone and doesn't fix the problem, even flashing to a new rom altogether didnt fix the problem and flashing to a new radio only fixes the problem temporarly.
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Of course i would post this in dutty's rom thread but have you seen his thread? Grows over 1,000 posts a day. The same time im typing up my problem, 10 other problems already got posted and so on. Thats why i posted this as a new thread, not to take up space but to get my problem answered and some help. Yes i did flash back to the niki rom just now and made over 7 calls and recieved a few just phone on my phone but that doesn't mean this problem won't happen in a day or in an hour. Like i stated in the first post, the roms (newest hybrid and apr 09 rom) worked perfect the first few days or even weeks and then BOOM, this problem hits for ? reason. Just looking to see if anyone on here can figure out why this happened so if it does happen again in the future for me or anyone else on this forum they will know how to fix it. Like i said before, i havent damaged my phone, no new cabs or programs added, soft reset my phone and doesn't fix the problem, even flashing to a new rom altogether didnt fix the problem and flashing to a new radio only fixes the problem temporarly.
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Wow for your convenience and avoiding 1000 posts thread, you create a new one. What a good idea. I should do the same thing since I'm not English speaker and it's really difficult for me to read in English.
No wonder why you are senior member.
Thanks for the idea.
Hi,
I understand that this is a little bit confusing but, actually, with the same build there are "2" versions the one that is labeled with the 1.65.14.06 radio and the one labeled with 1.64.08.21.
So, Radio 1.65.14.06 & 1.65.17.10 are just compatable with roms labelled 1.65.14.06. this means if you flash another different radio, you'll get the bugs you described...
On the other side, all the other 6.1 radios should work with the second version, labeled with 1.64.08.21. once again, if you flash an att radio (1.65.14.06 or 1.65.17.10) you'll get the bugs you described...
NOTE: RADIO 1.65.17.10 IS NOT RECOMENDED - IT WILL UNABLE THE RE-FLASH PROCESS WITH ANY OTHER RADIO, UNLESS YOU'RE SECURITY UNLOCKED
cheers
Honestly, im more new to the thread and Id have to say.. The most annoying thing and the thing I dont quite understand is how many whiners there on on "posting new threads" as if posting is something sacred that only the best people should be able to do. Now I understand the defense "oh well people post more and more of the same questions.. blah blah" but who the heck is actually making you read these threads? Honestly, id call posting new threads troll bait, because its only the trolls that rush to whine about it. Ive personally never posted a thread, and I never would in this forum. To be realistic, I come on this site almost everyday and see the same crap. Its just loaded with peoples roms on the first page of the forums. Im just saying, give some of these guys a break. Im sure there will be trolls that come in and complain against my post... but oh well. Im sure others have noticed it too
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Honestly, im more new to the thread and Id have to say.. The most annoying thing and the thing I dont quite understand is how many whiners there on on "posting new threads" as if posting is something sacred that only the best people should be able to do. Now I understand the defense "oh well people post more and more of the same questions.. blah blah" but who the heck is actually making you read these threads? Honestly, id call posting new threads troll bait, because its only the trolls that rush to whine about it. Ive personally never posted a thread, and I never would in this forum. To be realistic, I come on this site almost everyday and see the same crap. Its just loaded with peoples roms on the first page of the forums. Im just saying, give some of these guys a break. Im sure there will be trolls that come in and complain against my post... but oh well. Im sure others have noticed it too
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okay let me help u understand why senior members and moderators get ticked when people post new threads:
a) as the name of the site states it is targeted towards developers or people with ability to understand 2+2. developers put there personal time trying to create something better for us without any monetary gain.
b) posting new threads about the same issue pushes real issues down or completely buries them. xda gets close to 100000 hits a day .. imagine if all those people created new threads .. what would happen to threads w/ real issues??
c) it is easier to post and quiker to get a response under a rom thread that u r having problem with. i post under rom that i have issues with and always get an answer unless the problem is my own stupidity which i manage to fix.
d) its part of xda's tos to post under threads that r relevant to ur query.. don't like that? good bye.
e) people post new threads cuz they don't wana read. believe me i know .. but reading is the best thing so read the wiki it can answer all questions like this one.
f) people respond better when they see u r following rules ... if a cop pulled u over and u gav him **** u would probably get in more trouble compared to if u apologized for what u did wrong. same goes here post a new problem and everyone will try to help; post a question that has been answered 10 thousand times u r bound to piss people off.
and i don't think i need say more.
Always someone that has to post back on things subject to common sense which either A) makes that person feel smarter then they actually are or B) feel like without there knowledge, all would be lost. Without your details, I said that main outline of what someone is going to end up whining about, but then again... what made you put so much time and effort into reading my message? for that matter, you even came on this subject and replied to nothing the OP needed and instead, just trolled my message. Obviously you came in this thread to complain, whine, or whatever you call it, noticed my message, and felt my message was a better target.. so here goes. (oh, and I never asked why "senior members" or "moderators" get ticked. It was more people like you "members" lol)
A) Who are you to define peoples questions into interpretations like (2+2)? Maybe because they dont know what YOU know, that doesnt make them stupid. Its people like you who dont realize that people always have to be taught by someone, and im sure you learned all your stuff by reading through 1000s of pages of threads and not posting any yourself... just realize, no ones born with the knowledge.
B) As I said in my previous message, I see mostly ROMS on the first page everytime I come on the site. Not just that, if no one wants to respond to the thread, doesnt it just get lost from there? but usually its the trolls that keep new threads going isnt it? and once again, who are you to define whats a real issue? obvious when people post, they are having issues. For you to say they are worthless is for you to say that your issues are just more important.
C) Ok thats your preference, and your OPINION states that you will get an answer quicker when posting under a rom thread, but honestly... its a matter of personal experience. Theres no evidence that would show posting under an existing thread gets your questions answered quicker, as im sure some people might have done both but have had better experience with posting a new thread.
D) Obviously thats understandable. But to what degree? moderators would "decide" which threads are relevant to what query? Im sure even moderators understand that people are going to post because not everyone has hours to spend looking certain things up. While you can look at two different threads and in your opinion they could be the same, the variations of the two threads could show quite a difference in the solution thats needed for a problem... and just because someone doesnt like someone, is that really how it should be? goodbye?
E) Hah how do YOU know why people are posting? have you done a survey? and dont tell me its common sense. While sometimes it can be because of laziness of reading, it can also be the fact... someone couldnt find what they are looking for. wow imagine someone posting because of that. Maybe the wiki does answer the question, then again, maybe some people looked and didnt know how to interpret the answer to the question so needed to get more advice or opinions.
F) Using an example of a situation thats totally irrelevant to that actual discussion is quite useless IMO. Thats not true all the time.. maybe it means a cop would look around or search you to try to find more evidence to put you up... but id hardly interpret that into "more trouble" then just kissing the cops butt. You used an analogy of a subject thats basically "stand up for yourself and say what you mean, or dont" and that analogy goes both ways. Some situations help you by shutting up, while others dont.
I dont think I need to say more either. While im sure a detailed reply will probably attract more trolls... this was merely just a single reply based on "thesires" direct interpretations, opinions, and outlooks. While I myself believe in many cases new threads shouldnt be started and just post in existing threads, I still remember there are billions of people out there... and a little confusion or misinterpretation is understandable. Theres many situations and solutions ive seen or found..
1) The person who spends his time trolling the forum and finding these type of threads, then disrespectfully and aggressively insults the OP and complains.
2) The kind person who directs the OP to the right place.
3) The person who doesnt care and doesnt want to hear it so doesnt read the thread and watches how it quickly sinks to the bottom because it doesnt get many replies.
My solution is always if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all. If you dont want this thread to stay at the top... dont respond to it.
One last thing, these are my opinions and are that only. They are not regarded by myself, or is it assumed that whats posted above reflects any views of others. It doesnt show anything factual, its just merely an opinion stated. So plz dont spend time arguing that
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It doesnt show anything factual, its just merely an opinion stated. So plz dont spend time arguing that
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I figured that since you spent so much time editing, checking grammar and punctuation that you might want to know that you forgot the period on the very last sentence.
lol the fact that I didnt edit any grammer at all would just be giving me a compliment. So thanks. I actually edited it to add in the line at the bottom, to tell people that it was opinion based, and not expressing any views of others. That way I wouldnt offend too many people. But geez was that post you made even neccessary? Ill leave the period off on this one too
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lol the fact that I didnt edit any grammer at all would just be giving me a compliment. So thanks. I actually edited it to add in the line at the bottom, to tell people that it was opinion based, and not expressing any views of others. That way I wouldnt offend too many people. But geez was that post you made even neccessary? Ill leave the period off on this one too
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About as necessary as this one. BTW, you misspelled grammar. Anyway, your welcome. Your previous post was quite intelligently written.
Calm down u too, this isnt why i created this thread. Ive been on this site for some time now and have flashed countless roms both on my 8525 and tilt and never had a weird problem like this. That is why i created this thread which i also dont do very often. I guess if it makes everyone happy i could copy and post my problem in the 2 rom threads and see if someone can answer it. Thought this would be easier yes for everyone but i guess not. Admin go ahead and delete this thread i started since it must be taking up too much valuable space on this forum and people are tired of seeing it instead of helping me, thank you.
shadowlabs9 said:
Hi,
I understand that this is a little bit confusing but, actually, with the same build there are "2" versions the one that is labeled with the 1.65.14.06 radio and the one labeled with 1.64.08.21.
So, Radio 1.65.14.06 & 1.65.17.10 are just compatable with roms labelled 1.65.14.06. this means if you flash another different radio, you'll get the bugs you described...
On the other side, all the other 6.1 radios should work with the second version, labeled with 1.64.08.21. once again, if you flash an att radio (1.65.14.06 or 1.65.17.10) you'll get the bugs you described...
NOTE: RADIO 1.65.17.10 IS NOT RECOMENDED - IT WILL UNABLE THE RE-FLASH PROCESS WITH ANY OTHER RADIO, UNLESS YOU'RE SECURITY UNLOCKED
cheers
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I totally understand what ur saying but my problem is even with the stock radio that comes with the rom, 1.65.14.06. I rom worked perfect for about a week with the original radio then this problem started so i changed radios and still didnt help.
I've had this issue too. Less so after disabling Voice command, but it happened again yesterday. The bad this is that you don't realize its gone mute until you try to dial out. Ringtones and all notifications are gone too.
I've had it happen with and without bluetooth and with multiple radios.
there are always recommended actions to take after flashing a rom. You must hard reset after flashing. Weird stuff does happen when you don't hard reset. This could be due to the rom, too acting really funny. You guys probably put it through scenarios where it gets unstable. Theres a good chance these problems are fixed in the newer roms.
I seriously wasnt even concentrated on spelling or "grammar", but I did find it pretty funny out of all the words ive typed, you nailed me on the "grammar" one. Admitantly ive been spelling it that way for a long time, so it made me laugh when I seen your post. Thanks (seriously)
It seems to me that there is a lot of frustration amongst devs, those in the know, and the unschooled to the ways regarding pretty basic information. Stuff like "is MR2 froyo or gingerbread?". I know I'd be asking and saying some industrial strength stupid and annoying things if I didn't have a good friend in the know. I suppose what I'm suggesting here is perhaps several things. The first would be describing a number of specifications regarding the ROM or kernel at hand. Not just for the latest ROM or kernel, but for all the downloads available on the OP. Usually the change log covers that, but what I'm suggesting here is a certain I uniformity of certain information. That way some noob can go do his homework real fast and not post some stupid question.
The second thought I have is creating the "stupid question thread" (that would grow like a weed, huh?). It would have basic stuff like what the RUU's are, their characteristics, what radios they work with, what the different radios are, setting up ADB, and really basic stuff that I keep seeing posted again and again all over. I was reading through the Tbolt forums months before I got my Tbolt and my last phone was an Incredible so the worlds didn't change a hell of a lot for your average flashing junky. But that isn't everybody's experience. I'm suggesting a thread or the guy that just got his Tbolt and is saying "Now I wanna root it!" then "It's rooted! Now what's out there!" And zap! there's te thread that gives him a rundown of all the basics.
This sound like a good idea to anyone? If so, let me know and I'll work something up.
I am a noob, TB being my first Android phone. When I started reading the forums, my very first thought was: how come I can't find a noob thread that I can actually understand, that explains the basics, etc. It did not exist! Hence al the annoying (to some) posts elsewhere. If such a thread existed it would have been a huge help for me. It could be organized similar to ROM threads, with some introductory remarks, (a radio is XYZ, you flash it this way, etc.) followed by specific questions / comments. I like the idea!
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This is a good idea.. if no one makes one soon ill take it up
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There is no substitute for taking the time to read the various threads and educating yourself. I think the devs do a pretty good job of supporting their work but to ask them to put together super noob threads and FAQs is just not something they're gonna do with any regularity.
The reason why no one has done it is because all of the noobs are to lazy or ignorant to read those threads, then continue to post their stupid and already-answered question anyway, flooding the threads as usual.
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I agree with you 99%. However, there are several cases especially with BAMF threads where there are hundreds of pages and thousands of posts. The OP many times doesn't have solutions to common problems and the only way to find an answer is to spend hours reading through hundreds of pages. (I admit that BAMF is doing much better with their 3.0 RC2 thread). I know you are going to say to search but when a thread is that large it is hard to find meaningful search results.
Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Because most often.. the dev himself does not know the answer.. and honestly.. the best way to know if something works or not is try it yourself. .. so I can understand when devs get frustrated with people asking certain permutation and combination of patches will work with their roms or not.
Once you understand (which comes with experience and lot of googling).. what affects certain aspects of a rom.. then you'll know yourself if a particular patch will work or not.
Patches from previous roms or other roms.. will never brick your phone.. the worst.. your phone won't boot up.. or it'll boot up and FC like crazy.. in which case you can always restore.
and I agree.. the best way for a noob to educate is google..
googling is an art.. once you get good at it.. there is almost nothing that you can't get information about.
And with some of the responses I just read in this thread is exactly why I haven't rooted my T-bolt yet. I rooted my D1 and really enjoyed flashing different ROMs and Themes but the HTC experience is a bit different from the one on the Motorola. I don't feel like getting flamed for asking something that those of you that have been using HTC long enough now find to be a useless question. I ran Blackdroids ROMs because he had an IRC channel where you could ask questions without being flamed openly in a forum for 100+ to see. I learned quite a bit to where I could eventually help others with it but I'm not at all comfortable yet with Hboot and ADB but hope to learn enough from reading to not bother you with questions you find trivial. I've read for a week now so what's another week
It appears there is a need for what I propose. Regarding those who's complaint is that nobody will read it, I say, at least someone put forth the effort and if someone like, linking to the thread is easy. Indeed looking stuff up for yourself is wise, however, it takes more time for people and all too often you don't know how accurate what your reading is or from what authority the writer speaks. I will agree most devs supply ample info on their work, but often its in jargon that makes no sense or lacks context. Part of the purpose for this thread would be to supply sense and context.
Hopefully over the next few days I can find time to whip something up. I welcome all suggestions and comments for content!
Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
Ryanmo5 said:
Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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I commend you. I could imagine your task at hand is like trying to clean up the streets of St Louis by yourself. It has become anarchy here, just people running their mouth with no consequence. You deleted one of my posts because it became off topic, I was actually happy, because it was deserved.
My only suggestion is consequence. I know it's hard to really "punish" someone over the internet, but any kind of action should be taken to breaking the rules.
Thanks for taking your time just to read post over post, just to see if people are following rules.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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You're welcome. See you around
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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Sadly that's the way it has always been, there are always those users who are on here to simply tear people down and complain. Maybe its boredom but its something that has always bothered me as well. Not sure there's much anyone can do about it however, unless they are flaming and posting rude comments that's when the mods can do their thing. If enough complaints are reported about certain users then action is also justified so don't be afraid to let us know.
I'm gonna improve the sticky I put up in the dev section to include more info for noobs and see if that helps.
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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No problem man, and I'm not trying to rat people out either. I just wanted to show an example of what has been going on. A lot of members here(even me included at times I'm sure) have been acting like this is our forum instead of us all acting like guests here and treating others as guests as well.
It's so hard to clean things up and police them, what one person feels should be asked in a thread for a specific ROM another person feels should be in the "general" or Q&A section.
If I'm having a "general" (ie battery, GPS, etc.) issue after I flash a ROM I'm going to look to that ROM's thread for answers - I find that if I post something in the 'general' forum about a specific ROM I get all kinds of answers from folks running different ROMs or that are not rooted and, while I appreciate the help, I don't think that somebody is as able to help unless they are on that particular s/ware. Isn't battery life and/or GPS a development issue if a lot of people are having that problem? Spin off to a new thread, reduce clutter, and post a link to the thread in the OP. (then you can at least chastise somebody if the info is in the first post which should ALWAYS be read in its entirety).
I think it would be nice if a developer would put in the OP a couple links to specific threads that have been started that are talking about specific issues w/a specific ROM. Right now the CM7 development thread has spawned a couple different troubleshooting threads, but there is no link in the OP to those.
On one of my previous ROMs the OP had all kinds of links to help threads and FAQ, etc.
I also think that the old "if you can't say something nice...." saying should be rule #1 - it would save a LOT of issues when somebody chimes in and says "how do I.....?" and somebody else responds with "why don't you try reading/searching, etc." - why can't they just take the same amount of energy they used typing that snide comment and instead point in a helpful direction?
I understand the frustration, I too get tired of the same Q's being asked over and over again but I've also failed at the "search" on the site and had to have people guide me, especially when it's something I'm new to, like Netflix, etc.
Now I'm just rambling......
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I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I really doubt it will.
I can see what everyone is saying. I've been involved with Android phones since day one and have been active on several boards for many years now.
I was with T-Mobile for over 15 years and am a Pillar on their boards, so I've spent alot of time there.
I've used XDA for some time now with the G1, G2, Cliq, MyTouch, etc.
When I got the Thunderbolt, I came to this forum and I noticed a very different "air" about this forum as others had pointed out. I found it kinda odd since the phone was so new.
One thing that I did notice was that "moderation" (and I know everyone is busy around here) is not as, for lack of a better word..."swift" around here. On most other boards I am on (and also ran), rules violations were not tolerated and handled very quickly with "Time outs" being given out to minor offenders and outright bans given to major offenders.
That being said, as other have said, unless there is a consequence for an action, the behavior will continue.
Not sure what can be done to help monitor this board better, since I do not know how all of it is handled internally, but I think if there was more of a moderator presence (as in jumping into a thread and posting about staying on topic or watching language, etc). Maybe the "bad boys" will just get tired of not being able to "terroize" anyone anymore and just leave.
Just my two cents.
2 issue's that see on this board (and others) -
1. Anyone that ask a question already posted is immediately called a N00b and slammed on.
2. Just cause someone has low post count they are called N00b (yep happens to me on this one)
It seems that there is no patience by many user's on answering questions (if you don't have kids wait till you do, you will be answering them many times over) why get so flustered cause people ask questions, whether or not they have been answered. Not everyone is a N00b because of low post count (I know I'm not and can hold my own anytime) I also don't act like I know everything either. Some people can't let things go either.. if you don't like it why respond? just ignore it. A little common courtesy goes a long way folks. Also folks asking for things to be fixed ASAP on newly released Roms and refuse to use them until they are or they ***** and complain over and over about the issue. Just a question, do you act like this at home or deal with things like this at home with programs you use? All software has issue's if you think they don't or your the perfect programmer, you don't belong doing this. Even major software and telecom companies have bugs that happen that are not always caught on release. Its normal and if you can do better and want everything perfect, then start programming!
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
sent from my rooted Thunderbolt with das BAMF 3.0 rc4
admiralspark said:
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
sent from my rooted Thunderbolt with das BAMF 3.0 rc4
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Feel free to add to it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
i commend you for this ryan but it's gonna take more than just you to make xda a better place to be. the issue is instead of people just answering questions, they always say "search" .....what a waste.
the other issue is this site seems to be run by the members and not the devs, nobodies hardly on here anymore it seems. it also takes forever for a mod to show up when you report something. now don't get me wrong i love xda for the freedom i have to an extent, i also do not want a police state like android central is. there has got to be a medium somehow.
i wish we could of talked about this earlier, i hate the fact soo many devs have left the tbolt section.
I'm glad to see an effort is being made, it's going to take work from everyone.
Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
For example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169292
As a rooted user, this post would just be a waste of space and pretty offtopic. For an unrooted user, you're going to get the obligatory "ORLY???" type posts from rooted users because to those that rooted, this is old news (either because they already got the update ages ago or they changed their boot animation to something custom).
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Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
fixxxer2008 said:
i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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I'd say probably 20% that come here don't root. I have no idea why either when they could go to more general forums for android out there that aren't so development/rooting focused. I really don't have much empathy for them when they complain about things being broke/not having fancy new features, but eh, each to their own. They would be better off complaining to the source (verizon) than complaining on here cluttering up the forum, since most of their issues cannot be fixed without doing what the refuse to do.
With that being said, a seperate forum would let them figure stuff out without getting in the way of those that did root.
I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Yeah, I read through the tread, and as far as I can tell, the bug's been persistent through several versions of the rom. It was claimed that it was fixed with his latest version, but I guess not ...
The only fix I had found was to reboot the phone Today, the "app" to make calls (I think it's called "phone?") crashed several times, meaning I can't call people reliably, so I think I'm going to try a different rom. Thanks again for your help though!
same here. I'm having an issue with another rom myself, and just want to post to the developer a major bug that I am having. I read throug the entire forum post for that rom, and no one else mentioned the issue that I'm having.
its pretty bazaar that I when I answer a call waiting call no one can hear me. If I switch back to the original call, the same problem happens no one can hear me. This is only when i get another incoming phone call.
The rom i installed is for Energy Rom sense 3.5
Haha, well, if we keep posting to places like this, I guess we'll soon hit our 10 post limit
FYI for anyone that cares, I just installed CleanGB v1.1.2 (for the Epic 4G):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22241642
So far it seems pretty good. If I run into any issues, I guess I'll be posting here again xP
As already stated. There are Q&A forums for most devices. Use them.
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SORRY FOR GOING OFF TOPIC
Heres my little rant, First I would like to thank the devs for some superb roms, and the admin for doing such a great job too...
But I bet you, im not the only one who feels this way.....
Once upon a time we were all new here, and we all of us have leaarnt a lot, and even built applications and roms....
But, there are people who dont listen, read, and just want to be spoonfed everything.......
Also there are others who EXPECT the latest things, the roms with the latest firmware, the latest version of the OS and dont understand the words ALPHA and BETA.....
The development forum, is just that, its for developers to post roms and kernals, and as most of the items are not 100% stable, some have bugs, but NO, users expect and demand it works out of the box, and expect every answer to be answered asap, WHEN the answers are more than likely in the Q and A forum.....
But my big bug bear, is that people mess with the roms, and then moan why doesnt this or that work....or can you add this or that....well, the idea of this site is for you to gather information and try yourselves.....if it works....YAY.....if not, either reflash and re do it again....
So if something goes wrong, your screen goes green, or a monster comes out of your earpiece, there is always a answer!
That's the reason, why those Q&A Threads are created by the Mods. They meant to keep the Development Threads clean.
I'm also tiered of Questions like, which GApps to flash, Kernel settings, etc. over and over again. So now people that are new to this stuff have and platform to discuss, help each other > Let's hope they use it and we can inform us about the Development stuff in Rom Threads without those annoying posts.
BTW: Interesting is this Guy who seems to have an problem with Clean, Rom related Development Threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56112371
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In my experience a lot of people mistake this forum for a help desk.
They think we're all here to hold their hands through everything, and show them exactly what where when and how again and again, every step of the way. We're all happy to help, but none of us are willing to have to deal with constant problems caused by people who refuse to read the bloody description.
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BTW: Interesting is this Guy who seems to have an problem with Clean, Rom related Development Threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56112371
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Some people apparently prefer utter chaos to clean order. Usually the ones who don't have to manage the mess. I would not want to be tasked with locating anything on that bloke's computer....
ShadowLea said:
In my experience a lot of people mistake this forum for a help desk.
They think we're all here to hold their hands through everything, and show them exactly what where when and how again and again, every step of the way. We're all happy to help, but none of us are willing to have to deal with constant problems caused by people who refuse to read the bloody description.
Some people apparently prefer utter chaos to clean order. Usually the ones who don't have to manage the mess. I would not want to be tasked with locating anything on that bloke's computer....
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"That bloke's computer" is just fine and dandy, thanks - very tidy indeed. Nearly every medic I know is digitally very well organised , we couldn't do our jobs if we weren't. I have 5 TB of work-related data accumulated over a 26 year career. Or, to put it another way, don't make lazy assumptions about people you know nothing about.
Got a job yet?