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4000 Quadrant Score ?!?!

**** just got real for HD2s. Major props to Darkstone1337, using his build in my sig with no mods or set cpu Thanx to Cotulla & team for making all this possible for us HD2ers, we're living the dream

Seems like quadrants probably skipping a step or two. Everything else looks pretty good though.
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allthrottle said:
Seems like quadrants probably skipping a step or two. Everything else looks pretty good though.
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No step skipping, some of the build is stored in the RAM which is faster than NAND And to think I almost got a Vibrant

Htc hd2 quadrant score over 4000 without overclocking on super nand ram with magldr
phoenixtraveller said:
Hi.
What are people getting on quadrant scores with this (DARKSTONE super-nand-ram rom-IMG) ???
I got 4050. OVER 4000!!!
That is on an Australian HD2 (850mhz with 2.08 radio and magldr 1.11).
and NO OVER CLOCKING AND NO TWEAKS - second boot (first reboot).
Can you make this version compatible with 1536OC kernel or any OC kernel?
THANKS.
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ALSO: anyone tell me how to get Ubuntu working on NAND/MAGLDR?

using a loop device mounted in ram ?
not a real file system...

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using a loop device mounted in ram ?
not a real file system...
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No loop device, The majority of system, lib, & framework live there

I thought everyone understood that quadrant scores don't really mean anything anyway....

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deathsled said:
I thought everyone understood that quadrant scores don't really mean anything anyway....
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It is a nice way of getting a benchmark of a ROM, but it doesn't represent 'real' usage. Sometimes a device getting 2000 odd can easily out-do a device getting 3000+. It's not the most accurate test.
But getting 4000+ is pretty cool (provided it's legit )

not being mean, but there's no way in the world that anyone not overclocked (especially with an outdated cpu) is getting 4000 on quadrant. the dual core phones at 1GHz are only getting about 2600+. my personal quadrant score of 4055 is clocked at 1.8 GHz on the 2nd generation Snapdragon 1GHz processor. the HD2 has a first generation one. I realize quadrant isn't the most reliable, but 4000 doesn't exist for the first generation processor. By the way, what are they clocking up to at this point?

Assuming that this genuine..
I'll do what everyone seems to have missed saying, congratulations and well done!
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[INFO] Sensation NEW Benchmark Scores

Hey I thought it would be cool to just have a seperate thread for this so people can stop asking so much al throughout the other threads.
I've seen 2342 so far on the released version compared to the model in prerelease which was 1300 score. Thats a very fast speed.
Post yall quadrant scores here.

Remember also that all who view this the sensation has a qhd screen.
Makes a difference.
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And as I've been reading on other topics there might be a incompatibility problem due to two cores. It's new chipset and has different architecture etc. Lets give it some time.

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Remember also that all who view this the sensation has a qhd screen.
Makes a difference.
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really? I wonder what goes into that technology. I kind of wanted the screen to be a full size 4.3 inch screen.. with the width the same size as the evo. I just love the space u get

I got a very low 1589 on the first Quadrant...

samjpullen said:
I got a very low 1589 on the first Quadrant...
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Do you prefer SGS 2 after using both? I'm asking because of your signature.

samjpullen said:
I got a very low 1589 on the first Quadrant...
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In real world testing. Can you feel lag at all?
Coming from the g2x. Its almost lag free. But has other problems.
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not accurate
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And as I've been reading on other topics there might be a incompatibility problem due to two cores. It's new chipset and has different architecture etc. Lets give it some time.
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Helllo
People have been saying that the sensation is getting low scores because benchmark programs are not designed to test both cores.
I find that most people are throwing around nothing but assumptions for reasons i really cannot understand. Do you know for a fact whether those benchmark programs are optimized only for one core, or is your enthusiasm for the sensation subconsciously pushing you to say that ?????????????
The author of smartbench has posted a comment on another thread in this forum that one of the main reasons smartbench 2010 was pulled out and smartbench 2011 released was testing dual core phones. he added that he does not know why is the sensation getting such low scores as compared to other dual core phone, but will investigate and come back.
So irrespective of my personal preference to HTC phones, and if smartbench author cannot find a bug in his smartbench 2011 leading to low scores on sensation, i have to say that the sensation CPU does not seem to be at the same performance level as other dual core phones
check post #239
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081531&page=24

That's on the low end compared to other qHD devices but not bad.
Any other benchmarks with the final release?

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Do you prefer SGS 2 after using both? I'm asking because of your signature.
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First impression is yes, but i have only had to play with the Sensation for about 8hrs or so
mr.orange303 said:
In real world testing. Can you feel lag at all?
Coming from the g2x. Its almost lag free. But has other problems.
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The overall UI is pretty fast, but web browsing... not as clear cut as i would have expected from the specs, the Ram used by Sense seems to be the problem.

I got a score of 2306 in quadrant advanced, only did one run as waiting to root before going further :S

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I got a very low 1589 on the first Quadrant...
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Sam, I saw your youtube video of browser performance for Sensation. That flash pinch-zoom thing was horrible. Was this consistent across all websites?
I would have expected better. I feel most of the guys might know about this, rest of us who were unaware, check out Sam's youtube channel. Keep up the good work mate!

I just digged more into the CPU in QSD8x60 It seems to be the same scorpion cpu that ships in the MT4G. According to my data the exynos CPU is 16% faster than the qsd8x60 at the same clock speed ( 2.5 DMIPS vs 2.1 DMIPS ) being architecturally different as exynos is cortex a9 and the other one is Custom Cortex A8 so the lower score. The Sensation Smartbench productivity score is exactly 2.4x that of a stock mt4g. Other things that are affecting smartbench is the Memory Score, I/O of Sensation is around 0.5x that of GS2 and 2d score is around 0.25 x (lower due to more resolution) of that of GS2 maybe due to the fact GSII has hardware acceleration. In real day use Memory, I/O arent going to be affecting stuff much. The CPU on Exynos is faster, GSII has hardware acceleration and I/O and Memory score on the GSII are much higher. When it comes to graphics at the same resolution they are both on the same speed when on the same resolution but difference comes due to sensations qHD display. So for the performance in day to day life the Sensation isn't gonna be much of a difference over Desire HD or the GSII when executing single threaded apps which are 99% apps on Android market and like with most >1ghz CPU you wont experience lag and for the graphics they are gonna be much much faster and better. The Linpack score which tells you the speed of execution of apps written in Java which most Android apps are it is going to be same as GSII, No difference. When executing Native Apps GSII will be faster but when it comes to Native Apps, Most of the Native Apps are games which depend more on the gpu so here too both are same. When it comes to Multimedia Sensation is faster than GSII as it has a 128bit pipeline but both are capable of decoding/encoding 1080p at 30fps and no one is gonna go beyond that. It will only be different when using anything that is on Neon.
To sum it up
Both Phones are extremely powerful and perform better than each other in different scenarios. They are at a point where the difference are minor when coming to performance. To buy a device it entirely depends on your choice as IMO they are both no.1 at the android device table right now. You wont be disappointed by any of those

Do you have the device yet?
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I just digged more into the CPU in QSD8x60 It seems to be the same scorpion cpu that ships in the MT4G. According to my data the exynos CPU is 16% faster than the qsd8x60 at the same clock speed ( 2.5 DMIPS vs 2.1 DMIPS ) being architecturally different as exynos is cortex a9 and the other one is Custom Cortex A8 so the lower score. The Sensation Smartbench productivity score is exactly 2.4x that of a stock mt4g. Other things that are affecting smartbench is the Memory Score, I/O of Sensation is around 0.5x that of GS2 and 2d score is around 0.25 x (lower due to more resolution) of that of GS2 maybe due to the fact GSII has hardware acceleration. In real day use Memory, I/O arent going to be affecting stuff much. The CPU on Exynos is faster, GSII has hardware acceleration and I/O and Memory score on the GSII are much higher. When it comes to graphics at the same resolution they are both on the same speed when on the same resolution but difference comes due to sensations qHD display. So for the performance in day to day life the Sensation isn't gonna be much of a difference over Desire HD or the GSII when executing single threaded apps which are 99% apps on Android market and like with most >1ghz CPU you wont experience lag and for the graphics they are gonna be much much faster and better. The Linpack score which tells you the speed of execution of apps written in Java which most Android apps are it is going to be same as GSII, No difference. When executing Native Apps GSII will be faster but when it comes to Native Apps, Most of the Native Apps are games which depend more on the gpu so here too both are same. When it comes to Multimedia Sensation is faster than GSII as it has a 128bit pipeline but both are capable of decoding/encoding 1080p at 30fps and no one is gonna go beyond that. It will only be different when using anything that is on Neon.
To sum it up
Both Phones are extremely powerful and perform better than each other in different scenarios. They are at a point where the difference are minor when coming to performance. To buy a device it entirely depends on your choice as IMO they are both no.1 at the android device table right now. You wont be disappointed by any of those
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My g2x on froyo is higher than the sensation.
But I bet the sensation is just plain more reliable
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No but i have the datasheet of the processor in it and i know the scores its getting in benchmarks, these scores can be calculated even via the datasheet.
About G2X Tegra2 is plain sucky when it comes to dual core and it is slowest of the bunch. The Java Apps dont perform well and that is what android is based on. Native Apps are mostly games and tegra 2 is good but Sensation is better on both

charnsingh_online said:
I just digged more into the CPU in QSD8x60 It seems to be the same scorpion cpu that ships in the MT4G. According to my data the exynos CPU is 16% faster than the qsd8x60 at the same clock speed ( 2.5 DMIPS vs 2.1 DMIPS ) being architecturally different as exynos is cortex a9 and the other one is Custom Cortex A8 so the lower score. The Sensation Smartbench productivity score is exactly 2.4x that of a stock mt4g. Other things that are affecting smartbench is the Memory Score, I/O of Sensation is around 0.5x that of GS2 and 2d score is around 0.25 x (lower due to more resolution) of that of GS2 maybe due to the fact GSII has hardware acceleration. In real day use Memory, I/O arent going to be affecting stuff much. The CPU on Exynos is faster, GSII has hardware acceleration and I/O and Memory score on the GSII are much higher. When it comes to graphics at the same resolution they are both on the same speed when on the same resolution but difference comes due to sensations qHD display. So for the performance in day to day life the Sensation isn't gonna be much of a difference over Desire HD or the GSII when executing single threaded apps which are 99% apps on Android market and like with most >1ghz CPU you wont experience lag and for the graphics they are gonna be much much faster and better. The Linpack score which tells you the speed of execution of apps written in Java which most Android apps are it is going to be same as GSII, No difference. When executing Native Apps GSII will be faster but when it comes to Native Apps, Most of the Native Apps are games which depend more on the gpu so here too both are same. When it comes to Multimedia Sensation is faster than GSII as it has a 128bit pipeline but both are capable of decoding/encoding 1080p at 30fps and no one is gonna go beyond that. It will only be different when using anything that is on Neon.
To sum it up
Both Phones are extremely powerful and perform better than each other in different scenarios. They are at a point where the difference are minor when coming to performance. To buy a device it entirely depends on your choice as IMO they are both no.1 at the android device table right now. You wont be disappointed by any of those
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They doesn't quite make sense as the mytouch is a stock 1.4 chip MSM8255 the g2 and mytouch are basically the same processors underclocked to 1ghz. The sensation is a stock 1.5 dual core capable of 2.6 ghz overclock The score the sensation getting is the same the score my mytouch was getting out of the box. That indicates that the other processor isn't quite doing anything. At its not the same as a mytouch. The chip in the sensation is MSM8660 Dual-Core SoC with Adreno 220 GPU. Equivalent to the one with HTC evo 3d. QSD8x60 dual core hasn't even been introduced yet.
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They doesn't quite make sense as the mytouch is a stock 1.4 chip underclocked to 1ghz. The sensation is a stock 1.5 dual core capable of 2.6 ghz overclock The score the sensation getting is the same the score my mytouch was getting out of the box. That indicates that the other processor isn't quite doing anything. At its not the same as a mytouch. The chip in the sensation is MSM8660 Dual-Core SoC with Adreno 220 GPU.
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it doesn't seem like most of the people hear understand the async tech used in the new qualcomm chip... there is soo much into it that i myself wonder if it is worth it to have a dual core phone at this point as much apps wont stress the first core enough to push the second core to a clock speed close to 1.2 ghz.. yes i do like the sync speeds of the sgs2 but still i think its over kill... to try to put it in lamens terms the sgs2 cores will be at 1.2 ghz in use and what ever mhz at rest while the sensation could have 1 core at a clock speed of 1.2ghz and the other at what ever to relieve the stress be it 3 4 5 6 hundred mhz so until we really get programs to mimic whats needed to make the second core jump to 1.2 ghz we will always wonder about benchmarks which are useless to me

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it doesn't seem like most of the people hear understand the async tech used in the new qualcomm chip... there is soo much into it that i myself wonder if it is worth it to have a dual core phone at this point as much apps wont stress the first core enough to push the second core to a clock speed close to 1.2 ghz.. yes i do like the sync speeds of the sgs2 but still i think its over kill... to try to put it in lamens terms the sgs2 cores will be at 1.2 ghz in use and what ever mhz at rest while the sensation could have 1 core at a clock speed of 1.2ghz and the other at what ever to relieve the stress be it 3 4 5 6 hundred mhz so until we really get programs to mimic whats needed to make the second core jump to 1.2 ghz we will always wonder about benchmarks which are useless to me
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Nope I understand I said this early about lower benchmarks. I don't care about them and I do understand the qsd chip isn't similar to the msm Chipset. Similar processors would be g2 and the mytouch 4g as they have the exact same architecture. The mytouch architecture though similar being a a8 should be vastly different
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RADLOUNI said:
Helllo
People have been saying that the sensation is getting low scores because benchmark programs are not designed to test both cores.
I find that most people are throwing around nothing but assumptions for reasons i really cannot understand. Do you know for a fact whether those benchmark programs are optimized only for one core, or is your enthusiasm for the sensation subconsciously pushing you to say that ?????????????
The author of smartbench has posted a comment on another thread in this forum that one of the main reasons smartbench 2010 was pulled out and smartbench 2011 released was testing dual core phones. he added that he does not know why is the sensation getting such low scores as compared to other dual core phone, but will investigate and come back.
So irrespective of my personal preference to HTC phones, and if smartbench author cannot find a bug in his smartbench 2011 leading to low scores on sensation, i have to say that the sensation CPU does not seem to be at the same performance level as other dual core phones
check post #239
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081531&page=24
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I said "there might be". That doesn't mean there is. Most of us don't have this phone so we're making guesses of course.
Early anandtech benchmarks say (don't want links again just search yourself) this chipset at default 1.5 ghz is better than other dual cores. 0.3 Ghz downclock doesn't effect that much. So we're suspicious that there might be incompability problem. Because chipset is new, phone is new etc. And that author doesn't have Sensation too. Then I said "lets wait". Is that ok for you?

Quadrant says "Cores:1"?

Just wondered if quadrant says 1 core in system information for everyone and why?? Surely if we are only using one core we are not getting full use of our sensations

The Elixir system info app also says just 1 core in use.

Yep, mine says core 1 as well.

gingerbread is not a android version with true native accelerated dual core support... this has been mentioned plenty of times... especially the fact that ice cream sandwich will be better dual core support... im new here and know this

Hey I have an idea its because when quadrant was released. There was no such thing as dual core.
Quadrant isn't designed to test dual core phones. cf bench is
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But then, why does it even display this information ? If Quadrant couldn't see how many cores a phone has, what's the point in putting a "core" section ?

Quadrant is only optimized to recognize a single core so that's all it's going to look for and read. I think there are threads around here talking about the more in-depth reason why quadrant only sees one core but if you want a more accurate benchmark score use CF-bench.

Quadrant only detects 1 core. It is a flawed and easily skewed benchmark app. Don't use it. CF-Bench is a lot lot better.

Its not Quadrant its Android 2.3.3
If you install a 2.3.4 ROM (like InsertCoin 2.3.4) Quadrant will report 2 cores. You don't need to wait until Ice Cream Sandwich. Google fixed a lot of issues in Honeycomb surrounding SMP that were backported to 2.3.4.
You can read more about this here or Google info about 2.3.4. Or you can just download InsertCoin 2.3.4 and see for yourself.

My stock ROM phone also has Quadrant reporting 2 cores...
Matt

I'm using InsertCoin 2.3.4?

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I'm using InsertCoin 2.3.4?
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I don't know what to tell you then...
Quadrant told me I had 1 core on stock & etc. but upgrading to a 2.3.4 ROM made it say 2....
btw, Quadrant score dropped precipitously after upgrading to 2.3.4 and it started recognizing 2 cores, I'm guessing they're not really taking the second CPU into account in their scores. Phone's a hell of a lot faster regardless of the benchmark. Definitely something's not right there.

The dual core devices are way ahead of most measures... be happy, you have a ferrari in a field of vw bugs...

How can you tell if your using both cpu cores???

How can you tell if your using both cpu cores???
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Or the flip side of that coin, can I power down one of my cores?

From my understanding both cores run in sync, meaning they both run all the time at the same speed. It is the tegra 2 design. Other dual core chip sets run asynchronous

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From my understanding both cores run in sync, meaning they both run all the time at the same speed. It is the tegra 2 design. Other dual core chip sets run asynchronous
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I'm not sure that answers either question - just because both cores are running on the same clock doesn't mean they are both doing work. Obviously, two cores can't work on the same thread or process at the same time. Some executive has to manage the work load and the associated resource sharing. Does GB really do any multi-core? Does ICS?

All good questions. I was wondering the same thing.
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I'm not sure that answers either question - just because both cores are running on the same clock doesn't mean they are both doing work. Obviously, two cores can't work on the same thread or process at the same time. Some executive has to manage the work load and the associated resource sharing. Does GB really do any multi-core? Does ICS?
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Excellent points. I found this.
http://www.tested.com/news/dual-core-vs-single-core-arm-what-does-an-extra-core-really-get-you/2337/
In Android 2.2 Froyo, there are no dual-core optimizations at all. The system just sees a fast SoC, but Is unable to thread processes effectively. Even in the newer Gingerbread build of Android, there is virtually no support for dual-core SoCs. The ext4 file system added to Android 2.3 sill see a modest boost in the area of I/O performance, but that's about it. Right now, Android on phones does not understand dual-core chips.
A dual-core device might be a really snappy experience, but that's not because of the number of cores per se. The SoC is just fast, even without proper process threading. You can get a similarly responsive device with a regular old single-core SoC. Yes we know, how quaint.
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Samsung Galaxy S3 on AnTuTu

Anyone else have Galaxy S3 specs on AnTuTu benchmark? I was running some tests and saw this...
Sorry for the quality, took with my Focus Flash.

All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?

Hmmm.....it seems there will be really a 1.4Ghz processor within. They are considering to improve the OS before they go for more hardware......
I hoped for little more juce.....

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All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?
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yeah, that was the one they announced back in september, people thought it would be in the gnex I think

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All the specs look good except for the 4212 Exynos processor. Isnt that Samsungs dual core processor with no embedded LTE?
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Red5, didn't expect to see you here.
But yeah, you're right. Even though it's dual core, it seems to have better battery consumption than the Galaxy S II chip and "50% better GPU performance."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4900/samsung-talks-about-32nm-15ghz-exynos-soc
Edit: Just submitted this thread to Engadget. Let's see if they bite...
Edit2: Yup, found it through AnTuTu as well. It says "Certified Configuration" if that means anything.

Previous leaks have been of a quad-core phone, how does this being a dual core chip make any sense?
Edit: also the 4212 is clocked at 1.5 ghz, why is this reporting it at 1.4?

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Previous leaks have been of a quad-core phone, how does this being a dual core chip make any sense?
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Not at all! Or it's again dust in the wind? Soon we'll know

I think this is fake, i don't believe that Samsung could launch the Galaxy S3 with a dual-core A9 at this time... the previous leaks points to a quad-core processor - Exynos 4414.
This also could be one of the samples used for tests...

I it's true it sucks and won't really be able to compete with the IP5. Or are they aiming to smoke the now old IP4s? ... Not that impressive at all.

If it's true i think i would buy the HTC ONE X (Tegra3)

So if I overclocked my GNote's gpu I would get similar performance? If so then it looks like I'll be keeping my Note for another year.
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According to the bar graphs in antutu, the S3 would be just a bit under twice as powerful as the Note - which runs dual A9s at 1.4GHz also. The 32nm Mali-400s have been clocked 50% higher, which is the main performance difference - and that wouldn't go anywhere near explaining the massive overall performance gap. However that combined with an additional two A9 cores seems fairly realistic.
Either it's a complete fake, or it's just mislabeled - and is actually a 4412. Since this is reality, I'd lean towards the former.

Sjael said:
According to the bar graphs in antutu, the S3 would be just a bit under twice as powerful as the Note - which runs dual A9s at 1.4GHz also. The 32nm Mali-400s have been clocked 50% higher, which is the main performance difference - and that wouldn't go anywhere near explaining the massive overall performance gap. However that combined with an additional two A9 cores seems fairly realistic.
Either it's a complete fake, or it's just mislabeled - and is actually a 4412. Since this is reality, I'd lean towards the former.
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You can overclock an S2 or Note's GPU to 400mhz with Tegrak OC Ultimate, which is double the stock 266mhz.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2975835/samsung-14gz-exynos-4-quad-processor-next-galaxy?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
So it's quad core but still Mali-400 at 400mhz.
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Yep. Seems like AnTuTu didn't know what chip it was so they reported it as a 4212.

tehh4ck3r said:
Yep. Seems like AnTuTu didn't know what chip it was so they reported it as a 4212.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndtvyTPIx3Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
In the video they compare Exynos 4 dual vs quad and the quad is labeled as Exynos 4212 so it seems Antutu was correct.
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It seems that Samsung change the name of the chips, see this http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_announces_new_quadcore_exynos_4_quad_processor-news-4160.php.
4212 - Quad-Core
4210 - Dual-Core
Now the name on the Antutu makes sense.