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I purchased the G2X on opening day only to return 3 of them in the first week due to bugs. On my forth try I received a bug free G2X and at that point it became a good phone. It was extremely fast and it responded instantly to every button press. Coming from a Vibrant, I wasn't to impressed with the display as I found it pretty average. The browser was fast, I got good download speeds and great WiFi speeds. The hardware of the device felt solid and I liked the rubberized back plate which had an aluminum strip that made it look professional. All in all it was one of the best phones I have ever used speed wise. There wasn't really anything to complain about once I got a bug free G2X.
That being said, I purchased a Sensation from Wal-Mart on the 8th of July and had to return it the same day due to it freezing once and rebooting a couple times. I just purchased my second Sensation 2 days ago and have been using it since. In my opinion, I really don't know why people are complaining about the speed of the device. As so as I got it, I turned off all animations within Sense because I really don't care about eye candy. I care more about responsiveness which I'm sure most everyone here can agree. There might be a slight difference in terms of responsiveness leaning in the G2X's favor but lets be honest. It's really not that much of a difference and is only noticeable to us hardcore phone geeks. Everything you do within the Sensation is still instant. On to the browser. I find that the Sensations browser is much faster than the G2X and plays flash content at a higher frame rate. The camera on both devices were about the same as I am no photographer so I really couldn't tell a difference. I have noticed that the Sensation records video's more smoothly and in my opinion they look better as well. So far I have played every game I usually played on the G2X (HomeRun Battle and Angry Birds) and they are just as smooth as I have been used to. I even think they look a little better due to the higher resolution display. Speaking of the display, I think it's phenomenal. The resolution puts more content on the screen which leads to less scrolling, the colors are more vibrant so in my opinion, it's a all around better display. The only area I would say the G2X has the edge is voice quality. The person on the other end sounds a little hallow/tinny if that makes any sense.
By the way, I know I have only used the device for 2 days but I haven't had some of the problems others are having such as the lock screen not recognizing touches, data stalling, dust under the display or yellowish tint on the display.
On a side note, I don't know how many widgets or what you all have installed on your devices to only have 120mb of available memory on a fresh reboot but on my Sensation it is showing 278mb of available memory. I think one of the main reasons why people are seeing lag on these videos is because every single review I have seen, the idiot has every widget and it's mother loaded on all seven home screens. Even though you have the option to add 100 widgets, it doesn't mean it's recommended.
I agree with everything you said. Everyone here keeps complaining about how laggy the phone is but honestly, I'm not seeing it. When it stutters its so minimal that it isn't even noticeable. When I say something is laggy, I mean it looks like the phone is running at 10fps. I've had no issues with lag, and like you said not to do, I have all 7 homescreens filled with apps and widgets. No lag at all.
The G2x feels faster because they made the animation speed super fast. In daily tasks, its no faster than the Sensation.
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Wow op It's crazy how our experiences are virtually paralleled.I too came from vibrant,I 1st tried to buy the g2x but returned it after 3 exchanges due you the fact that all 3 had screen bleeding,random reboots and WiFi problems.I then purchased the sensation on the 8th at my local walmart and I'm quite happy with it,I have not experienced any problems at all and the screen is great.
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Wow op It's crazy how our experiences are virtually paralleled.I too came from vibrant,I 1st tried to buy the g2x but returned it after 3 exchanges due you the fact that all 3 had screen bleeding,random reboots and WiFi problems.I then purchased the sensation on the 8th at my local walmart and I'm quite happy with it,I have not experienced any problems at all and the screen is great.
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That's pretty funny. I'm glad you didn't exchange your first Sensation like I did or I would have really freaked the hell out. Do you have the same opinion with me about coming from the Vibrant and the display on the G2X not wowing you. I understand the display on the Sensation isn't as vibrant as the Galaxy S series but the colors are still sharp and the resolution more than makes up for it.
Hi mates, I've been reading up on comments, reviews and opinions on the Evo 3d and Sensation for the past few weeks and am already getting headaches from it. Now I'm at the brink of buying one of these (preferably this week as my iphone makes me sick more and more).
Your opinion is very important to me as I'm about to extend my contract for 2 years!
I don't need the 3d, but I'm having the feeling that the Evo3d is the overall better device. However, the bulky design and the inferior camera make it hard not to go for the Sensation (especially since I don't give a damn about 3d).
What I need to know from you guys are the follwoing things:
1. The Sensation's been known to have a slight lag in Sense and overall slower performance compared to the evo 3d. It was said many times this could be due to software issues. Has the performance since been improved in a way that it's on par with the Evo? Are the European units any better/different than the American ones?
2. I live in Europe. Are chances high I will get a faulty unit with a bad touchscreen? It seems to be a hardware issue so I guess there will be no software fix and sending the unit in 5 times with weeks of waiting in between is a dealbreaker for me.
3. I have read many reviews saying the Sensations battery life is superior to that of the Evo 3d and I have read just as many reviews that claim the opposite.
I do the occasional surfing while in train/bus, maybe 1-2h of music listening, checking emails several times a day and use google maps+GPS from time to time. No 3d use, movie watching or hours of gaming intended. Which one will serve me better?
The Sensation is slicker and doesn't have the ugly and unhandy camera-bumps like the Evo, but I'm very allergic to lag so if the Sensation is just underpowered compared to the Evo, i'll go with the snappier of the two.
Thank you!
As far as I know, the EVO 3D is pretty much identical hardware to the Sensation. And it also runs Sense 3.0. Check here for a comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3901&idPhone2=3875
With a custom Sense ROM, it is much more smooth.
Really don't see why the EVO 3D performance would be THAT much better then the Sensation...
The touchscreen isn't a problem. The only issues seem to be on the lockscreen, so it's software.
I don't see the reason either (apart from 1gb ram over 768mb) but apparently the Evo runs soomther plus i hear the sensation starts to show lag over time...
anyways, evry review says evo is snappier... i just wonder whether thi sis soething that can be fixed by updates or if it is due to bad hardware
My experience is limited to the Sensation only, but:
1. Yes. Annoyingly so. Stock performance on the Telstra model isn't very good. I've used three units and all have been identical. Once you S-OFF, install a custom ROM and a custom kernel, the problem is lessened somewhat. Sense 3.0 seems to underpin all the problems with this device.
2. Completely random. Out of the dozen or so people I know who own Telstra units, I am the only one with a 'good' Sharp panel. There's not a lot of difference in the picture quality of both screens, but there is a definite difference in the ghosting while scrolling. Mine's better, but it's still there. Looks to me like a refresh rate issue, but I'm not sure. Apparently the digitiser can 'de-sensitise' over time, I've had mine a fortnight and no issues as of yet.
3. I find the Sensation's battery life admirable. After a moderate day's use I get home with 80-60% remaining. I don't OC, I use WiFi all day at home and HSPA when I'm out, make a few calls, send maybe 80 texts, download a few apps and listen to music for an hour or so. Even after a solid hour of continuous Market browsing, I'd reportedly lost <10%.
Good luck in your choice!
Those side-effects are all results of Sense. Just install CyanogenMod or any other AOSP ROM (when they're released) for a much, much better experience.
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Those side-effects are all results of Sense. Just install CyanogenMod or any other AOSP ROM (when they're released) for a much, much better experience.
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Absolutely.
I've never been a fan of CyanogenMod, but I will say that I am very much looking forward to it becoming available for the Sensation. The Alpha AOSP ROM looks promising also!
Thank you very much juzz86 and the others. Your post was very helpful. The thing is, I WANT Sense 3.0. If it was for the hardware alone, I'd go with the SGSII, although it's butt-ugly and feels like a child's toy in your hand. The Sensation's hardware is not so sensational when you compare it to other flagship phones. It's Sense that is making me want a HTC phone, but if the darn device can't handle it, despite dual core fanfare, I don't want it.
I'm so disappointed in this device It should have been everything the SGSII is, but with better design and Sense on top.
Anyways, the Evo seems to deal just fine with Sense 3.0 (at least that's what I read). I think I will give it a shot then, but not before I actually had the device in my hands. I'm a Pperson that is rather careless with it's phone. My iphone survived just fine because of a rubber case that saved it many times. But The Evo has ONE big glass plate in front of the two cam lenses... one unfortunate drop and goodbye picture taking.
I will have to think about that and see how the device actually feels...
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Thank you very much juzz86 and the others. Your post was very helpful. The thing is, I WANT Sense 3.0. If it was for the hardware alone, I'd go with the SGSII, although it's butt-ugly and feels like a child's toy in your hand. The Sensation's hardware is not so sensational when you compare it to other flagship phones. It's Sense that is making me want a HTC phone, but if the darn device can't handle it, despite dual core fanfare, I don't want it.
I'm so disappointed in this device It should have been everything the SGSII is, but with better design and Sense on top.
Anyways, the Evo seems to deal just fine with Sense 3.0 (at least that's what I read). I think I will give it a shot then, but not before I actually had the device in my hands. I'm a Pperson that is rather careless with it's phone. My iphone survived just fine because of a rubber case that saved it many times. But The Evo has ONE big glass plate in front of the two cam lenses... one unfortunate drop and goodbye picture taking.
I will have to think about that and see how the device actually feels...
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Sounds like a plan. Don't drop the coin on it unless you're happy (only stupid people do that... ).
A recommendation: If you love Sense, and daily performance is more important to you than what looks good on paper, the Incredible S is an extremely good choice. It's 'just' a single-core, and it runs an older Sense, but it absolutely runs rings around the Sensation. The only real difference between the Sense version is the lockscreen, which is the only 'plus' I've come across in Sense 3.0
Thx for the advice, but I think it's rather stupid to buy a single core mobile in the age of dualcore processors and quadcore soon to be unleashed onto the world. I don't care if my Lambo is slower compared to a F1 Ferrari, but that don't mean I 'd go with a Fiat too
One more question regarding the lag/slowness of the phone: Is it sluggish out of the box or does it's performance degrade over time? How bad is it?
I often hear people complain about ceratin bugs, but only few seem to feel bothered by the performance...
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Thx for the advice, but I think it's rather stupid to buy a single core mobile in the age of dualcore processors and quadcore soon to be unleashed onto the world. I don't care if my Lambo is slower compared to a F1 Ferrari, but that don't mean I 'd go with a Fiat too
One more question regarding the lag/slowness of the phone: Is it sluggish out of the box or does it's performance degrade over time? How bad is it?
I often hear people complain about ceratin bugs, but only few seem to feel bothered by the performance...
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For me it was slow out of the box. But I just flashed InsertCoin and it's very smooth compared to stock. CM7 will be even smoother
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I don't know whether I should be happy or afraid because of that :O
Will CM7 still have Sense 3.0 or is it something completly different? I'm new to andorid, sry have no clue about it... Just saw that InsertCoin still has it.
I just read that the European Version of the Evo 3d isn't h4ackable as of now Different bootloader version or sumthin...
Yeah great, now I'm reconsidering the Sensation with a custom ROM. Geez this is getting old now...
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I don't know whether I should be happy or afraid because of that :O
Will CM7 still have Sense 3.0 or is it something completly different? I'm new to andorid, sry have no clue about it... Just saw that InsertCoin still has it.
I just read that the European Version of the Evo 3d isn't h4ackable as of now Different bootloader version or sumthin...
Yeah great, now I'm reconsidering the Sensation with a custom ROM. Geez this is getting old now...
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CM7 will not have Sense at all. Most of the current crop of ROMs available still have Sense - even those that offer a 'sense-less' option still have the underlying frameworks included.
For me it was untolerable out of the box. I'm very susceptible to lag though.
I stick by my recommendation of a good single-core over a dual-core at this point. If it's fluid and quick in everyday operation, do you really need anything else? It's all just hype at this point, and the real-life benefits of dual cores aren't here yet.
I've ditched my Sensation for a Sharp SH-12C and it stomps all over it with just a single core and it does (pretty cool) 3D to boot. Pretty hard to come by, but so far a very polished package, and I'm getting much more enjoyment from it than from the Sensation.
I'm a big fan of stock android. I love cm can't wait for it to become available. That would definitely speed up things. Not sure I care about sense.
On another note I completely abuse my phone as far a use goes. WiFi on all day now Bluetooth too. I get 5.5hrs on a full charge. But again I completely abuse my phone. I listen to music all damn day I have a car charger so I'm happy and love my phone.
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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Task Manager is showing the wrong amount of RAM, go to Settings-Applications-Running Services and check there. I agree it should have been 1 GB though
For a ROM I recommend InsertCoin 2.3.4 because it's very fast However, maybe you will like another one better, so try them out and use the one you like best.
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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Glad to hear you got a good one mate, nice job. I was also a bit skeptical of the reported RAM under the task switcher, seemed very low. As stated above, it appears to be a bit off. Uninstalling Sense actually freed up about 80MB for me, so hopefully something like AOSP will free up even more and make it really sing.
Crystal Pyramid is very nice. You won't be disappointed with any of the custom Sense ROMs at all, they're all nice and slick.
Enjoy!
I also have problems with the fact that the phone is so slow,and i was expecting much much more from it,i couldn't wait to finally get my hand on a Sensation .I have the stock rom with no modifications,but my Desire HD was also stock and it worked perfect,with no lag.I was playing Angry Birds Rio yesterday and the phone had lots of lags(like a video with low frame rate),and there wasn't any running program in the background .The Desire HD never had this problem,even if there were programs running in the background,the phone worked flawlessly.I am starting to regret that i sold the desire hd and bought the Sensation.
I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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That's good to hear... Hopefully after some firmware updates we will all be able to say the same.
I haven't had any problems with mine. Seems to operate pretty snappy. I've installed the Chrome browser and never even used the stock browser.
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It seems, as if I were the only one with a tablet that performs well! I am happy with my Informer in respect of hardware quality and useability. I would buy it again anytime!
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You're not alone. Yes, the 700 has its quirks and minor defects, but I love it so far. Provides gerat functionality and is snappy enough. Just want the I/O to be fixed and I'll be completely happy.
@OP: Battery life for my device is pretty god, as the battery easily gets me through 1,5 days of work, so I guess you'll have to let it settle in for a bit. You might be judging it too quickly.
I had some of the same feelings the first day while I tried to use it as it downloaded and installed over 150 apps. But by the second day I was really seeing great performance. I did get a system reboot after a hang in Facebook tho.
Battery life was pretty impressive. Over 13 hours with 3 hours screen on time and still 30% left. That's without the additional dock battery. And that was on performance mode and max brightness non-super ips+ almost the whole time.
Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
Have had mine for a day and a half. It really stutters and is quite herkee-jerkee with some apps (Adobe Reader, for one) and on website browsing. It frequently takes a second or three for the page to become focused. Never experienced this with the iPad. Quite a let down.
Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. I'm wondering if the hardware is starting to surpass Android in terms of performance...
But I haven't really experienced these major slow downs. Sure, it'll get a little slow while downloading/installating apps, but isn't that kinda to be expected?
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Agreed. Got mine yesterday - no I/O issues to speak of. Love the build quality, the screen - everything is ultra smooth. Fantastic kit and it blows the Ipad out of the water.
Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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Wow - I can't believe what I'm reading! Personally, coming from a TF101, I think the Infinity is absolutely awesome! Personally, I have a feeling that the 1-3 second pauses are more of an Android thing than a hardware issues. .
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It's good you're pointing the finger towards these issues, I've done some pretty bad advertising of Dolphin before I read more about it. Nevertheless, I'd still add Chrome to the list.
i came from a xoom as well and i feel the opposite. yes there was lag while downloading my apps, but once it was completed, i havent had any lag issues. the ability of having a fully functioning memory card is also a step up from the xoom. the xoom had its issues as well. i will till keep my xoom around because it will probably get JB first. But i doubt i will ever use it as my main device.
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Installing apps in the fresh won't happen all that often, but since it hangs also when updating apps, you'll stll encounter it frequently.
Also, Dolphin is a privacy black hole -- in the past, they were caught red-handed when stealing all possible kinds of users' info without their consent. I'd stay away from it and use Opera or Boat instead (if needed at all, because the stock browser actually is suprisingly quick about its stuff).
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It doesn't happen on my ICS Android phone, so I have to differ with this hypothesis.
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I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
It's quite pecuilar that iOS is actually based on the BSD systems (UNIX) and how far it got from there, not always in a good way. Let's hope Android, being based on Linux, will copy the best, not the worst paths here.
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I was pretty excited to upgrade from my xoom to this amazing tablet. Specs up the wazzoo...
But I am very disappointed. I lag is really bad. I if I am doing something like downloading and app other things basically freeze up. Using the browser is laggy while downloading. Battery life is also pretty poor compared to the xoom. I use my tablet at work.. My xoom easily lasts all day and even into the next day. The infinity however was giving me a low battery warning at the end of the day.
Yes the screen is nice and the tablet is thinner and lighter. It has a dock which is all great but doesn't mean anything if it stutters and lags giving me constant app not responding errors. I would have thought it had a hardware problem except forums everywhere are talking about poor job performance. Let me be clear it isn't poor it is aweful!
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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I've touched upon these issues before, but to rehash: I think the current version(s) of Android is/are ill-equipped for the incredibly powerful hardware we now get onto the market. I've given the example before that Unix systems scale beautifully on low-spec hardware and that they outperform any other OS in that scenario, but that they won't show that much improvement if you up the specs to the level we're now using in both our desktops and on the go, whereas in that case the other OSes gain much performance.
It will improve (and quite possibly vastly), but FullHD is a bit too much to bite off and chew for Android at the moment.
Dutch's phone runs beautifully on ICS (as does mine) because the hardware is more in line with what the developers were expecting to have to drive.
Wait and see.
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Hopefully Google giving the UI priority in jellly bean will help with that.
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I upgraded from a Xoom and absolutely love it! Really smooth, great battery life, and the screen is gorgeous.
My wife ow has the Xoom, so were both happy!
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Hopefully Google giving the UI priority in jellly bean will help with that.
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I'm all for android, never tried apple product before, but lately wanted too see what iPad would be like in real life.
After paying $500-600 for a tablet and return period ends, I don't want to be the one left hoping that maybe Jelly Bean will make it better. Except for screen, iPad's hardware is much less powerful then Infinity's but it runs smooth.
I really believe it's a software fault, 1 android system is made for all, which brings all the bugs.
When an apply is made for iPad it's tested on the same iPad it will be used on. As simple as that!
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Have not got mine yet, still deciding...
But it seems the OP was experiencing the I/O issue. But how often will you be downloading/transfering any files/apps on this.
Once that is done, from what I read the experience is great.
Also, I have read to try a different browser as well. Either Chrome or Dolphin. Try those and report back.
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It isn't only the download and install of apps although that is worst. After using the xoom it is honestly just not as smooth. Yes some things are smooth and good. Like playing a game or swipping screens but things are definitely not right with this device. And it has hang issues from time to time just out of the blue. Course I have a lot of stuff going on. I have gmail, person mail, exchange mail, I have rss feeds, I have news apps. So I have quite few apps that will pull data from time to time.
But nothing I didn't exactly have setup the same on the xoom. Considering the xoom of a year old I'd REALLY expect this device to be at least as good.
Ive never owned a tab before of any kind, so this Infinity will be my first. I dunno how it's gonna be for me, but I hope I don't have as bad of I/O errors some seem to have.
I think the tf700's tegra3 even if it's clocked at 1.6ghz is struggling with its FHD's resolution. The lag is so much noticeable when browsing and scrolling the screen. Do you think there is still a solution to this lagginess on the next update ? The tf300 is still having some performance issue even after the JB update so im kinda skeptical if it will make the device faster. I think Asus shouldn't have released this tablet with FHD until the tegra4 comes out, on paper the tegra is an awesome SOC with its quad core + 1 and 12 core GPU but numbers doesnt translate to a faster device. What do you guys think?
Think that its simply a software problem. All the hiccups you see happen across all android tabs running ICS. Once JB gets here AND is optimized, we will be fine. I stress the whole optimization part because it always takes time and more updates after something as big as JB to get all the kinks out.
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The lag is mostly from the io issues. I get smooth scrolling usually.
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As you may see in my signature that i owned both device so i love them both and i cant live without this 2 device but i was saddened when i saw this one post on the other forum see and judge for yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30979075&postcount=296
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So i did some further research why the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our tf700 then i came across this review about i/o nand flash . Although the nexus 7 is slightly faster than our infinity its is still rather slow. That comes to my conclusion that the i/o issues plaguing the asus tablets cannot be improved due to a slower components.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
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Good post
The thing "I" (or "me" if you will) notice is..............
Using a paid app store utility (rooted) I have forced all the Tegras cores "on" to max clock.
I'm thinking the GPU is now working harder to render because the CPU is really pumping.
Of course this just eats battery time, yet I don't care because I'm plugged in 99% of the time.
Lately the browsers I've been battling with in the past seem to have been not shutting me out.
Also when scrolling the screen I haven't seen any stuttering...been pretty happy about this.
Being constantly tethered to the AC brick is a bumout however.
Yeah, the random read/write on these SSD drives is terrible along with the write/read in benchmarks. The ram I don't think really matters as much, but Asus dropped the ball on the SSD. SSD problems can be hidden with an OS that manages the ram really well though (as long as you always have more ram avaialble than being used).
The wireless radio really does seem to be a huge power hog and have mediocre reception. I lose bars in places my ipad gets full reception.
Samsung really benefits from being a premier LCD, Solid-State-Chip, and now CPU manufacturer. The Exnyos is also an impressive CPU in terms of power/battery life (versus Tegra). Samsung is the only one with commercially avaialble 30 nm Ram chips (which are cheap and overclock better than any gaming ram on the market) and their 830 SSD drives are the very best out there.
I think the problem with Tegra is that battery life is rather overwhelming and I feel that they rushed to market in order to be the first quad-core CPU. The architecture seems to have problems with battery life. The Tegra 3 was amazing when the original Transformer PRime was released but with recent CPU's like the Qualcomm S4 Dragon beating it in battery life and Exnyos Quad-core doing the same, it has a tough job.
However, raw tablet power is a means not an end. I almost always use power-saving while not docked (and will underclock once jellybean comes out and there is a good rom for it). The main problem right now is really the awful I/O. Asus can make most of the problem disappear by utilizing the ram better to create the illusion of smoothness.
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I/O in our infinity is even worse than the prime....about 1/4 of the prime....this really disappointed me....
Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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jtrosky said:
Hmm, I've been using the TF700 since it came out and I just don't see what the big deal is - it runs great for me! I keep seeing all of the specs compared, etc, but at the end of the day, I think that the TF700 runs pretty well. Most of the time during normal use, the device is not being stressed to the point where these "flaws" are apparent. Is it going to slow down while installing 10 apps - sure - but who cares? How often do you have 10 apps installing?
The games I've used run great and look *awesome*. Text is super clear - contrast is simply amazing, etc.
Now, QC is certainly an issue for Asus - I can't deny that one! I just hope I'm still so happy with the device 6 months or a year from now... But for now, I'd take a TF700 over a Samsung Note any day, even knowing of the "issues" with the TF700. The Note is simply not a a good fit for what I want, regardless of how well it's build inside (or out).
I could care less about the specs - as long as the device does what I want and does it well (which so far, the TF700 does). I can only imagine that the software will get better over time as well, making the experience even better.
But again, it all depends what you want/need in a device. I have *zero* use for a Spen for my usage habits.
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Here..here!!
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Lots of people complain about IO and other problems, things are slow to respond, etc.
It all comes down to knowing your device. Yes if its reading or writing it will be slow to do other things. If your doing mainly one thing at a time, or using optimized apps, its awesome!
Yes, stock browser sucks. use dolphin or boat. 90% of your problems solved right there. Kill / delete / remove stock bloat that kills your ram and CPU, there goes another chunk of the problem. Know your tablet, streamline what you can, dont wait for Asus to fix the problem, be proactive in making sure everything is running smooth.
So the i/o problem is simply because of the slow nand chip then why are some people saying that we just dont have a properly compiled firmware. So this is basically a dead end for our tablet as this is a hardware issue and cant be fixed by just slapping a JB . That explain why the tf300 is still slow after the update.
Running off of a class 10 microsd, using bsplayer, I can play back a ~10GB 1080p MKV without issue...
I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
HoushaSen said:
I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I sure hope so
My Infinity is lag free. I even downloaded 10 apps at once, as as a previous poster suggested it caused lag. I had ZERO lag! I am issue free here guys. So I am a verklempt, when I see some say they have problems with their units.
HoushaSen said:
I think nobody really knows if hardware or software. Many are hoping it to be software so can be fixed. Certainly not ics or jb issue as other tabs with ics is as stable as ipad.
If true though one statement gives a little hope (hence i am still checking this forum) is someone claimed with custom rom zeus he got rl benchmark down to 20's, which is what galaxy note 10 runs and never seen anr message. So maybe really software.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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I'm the one, on the Zeus v3 my RL benchmark was 22 overall and on the new Zeus v4 I got RL benchmarch down to 19 overall. Random writes is still slow but SQL lite is fantastic. So I do think software is the key to getting the tablet performance you were hoping for. We have just begun to scratch the surface with this beast.
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Jetrosky also showed his result being 20 in balance mode. Asus should simply use Zeus as their next firmware or hire Zeus. But yes with thus I believe it's not hardware but software. Asus needs better programmer.
With Black Friday, I plan to buy the note 10.1. One problem is that Ive read there are some performance issues such as stuttering, at least according to reviews.
Obviously with custom roms, Im sure its a lot better and so I would like to confirm this.
With custom roms, are there any issues still left with the note 10.1, or can it even be on par with the nexus 10.
Look around here, and see how many people are complaining about stutering... I'm mostly on power saving and I have no issues. I've tried custom jb and I find stock ics to be much fluent. If you want full s pen functionality you have to stick with stock.
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KoRoZIV said:
Look around here, and see how many people are complaining about stutering... I'm mostly on power saving and I have no issues. I've tried custom jb and I find stock ics to be much fluent. If you want full s pen functionality you have to stick with stock.
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Muh? What S-pen functionality is missing in custom JB? Everything seems to be working fine for me.
As for the review comments of stuttering - that seems to have to do with the fact that most big review sites review pre-release models (in order to get their reviews out before the product hits the market). More often than not, there are slowdowns that are fixed in the final version of the firmware, that don't always make it out before the reviewers get their hands on the product.
Kaze105 said:
With Black Friday, I plan to buy the note 10.1. One problem is that Ive read there are some performance issues such as stuttering, at least according to reviews.
Obviously with custom roms, Im sure its a lot better and so I would like to confirm this.
With custom roms, are there any issues still left with the note 10.1, or can it even be on par with the nexus 10.
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I got mine Tuesday and it's great
Apart from still not used to putting my phone down and using it to come here
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Kaze105 said:
With Black Friday, I plan to buy the note 10.1. One problem is that Ive read there are some performance issues such as stuttering, at least according to reviews.
Obviously with custom roms, Im sure its a lot better and so I would like to confirm this.
With custom roms, are there any issues still left with the note 10.1, or can it even be on par with the nexus 10.
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I prefer stock. The reviewers are paid by apple I think. Joking, but Jesus... okay, so they're right about one thing: it may be a niche device. Unless you're an artist or a profuse note taker...or like presentation/doodle/brainstorming presentations.... you may do better with a nexus 10. Higher res, direct Google updates, etc.
I love the note. I draw alot on it. In fact, I've been drawing more on this in the past 6 weeks than I have in a sketchpad in the past 6 months.
I'm glad the thing has a plastic back. It'd be too heavy with a metal one, and really there are wireless interference issues with metal casings...iPad, transformer, original galaxy tab...
Just get a screen protector...even though the glass is gg2, there's an extremely sensitive oleophobic coating on it that scratches way too easily. Also, a skin or a case would be recommended, though steer clear of cases with magnets, as it will mess with the Wacom digitizer, which relies on magnets in the stylus to registermposition and pressure sensitivity.
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I have alwaysbeen somewhat confounded by the stuttering comments. Have never seen this to be an issue. Regardless if the tablet ever behins to lag a bit just clear the memory and you should be fine. Sometimes the memory can get a bit loaded up after a lot of multitasking.
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There are no slutters on the stock rom and its pretty good there have been lots of discussion on the same topic if you still feel there are remove the samsung useless widgets from the screen
First thing I did was get rid of all the widgets on the homescreen, I didn't even bother doing anything else before I did that.
There is no stutter, at all, anywhere, in ICS itself. In Multi-view, there is a lag when switching between apps left to right but I rarely use this feature. The only thing that's not smooth, in my opinion, is scrolling on webpages. If I flick, there's one instance of lag, and then the rest of the "momentum scrolling" completes without stutter / lag.
Have the German JB installed and have no stutter at all...
Lets be honest here, there would have to be MAJOR problems with the os for a 2gb ram quadcore device to stutter when going from 1 screen to the next....