I have a big question that is been floating around in my mind.
We have CM7 which is based on ginngerbread and we got Eagle blood 1.03 which is gingerbread as well.
Why does it seems like eagle blood developers seems to develop way faster and have a more stable rom than CM7?
Is it because they had to port gingerbread to the G2x? If that its the case, wouldn't it be easier to grab the gingerbread leak and develop using that as the source?
eagle blood is from gingerbread leak and cyanogen isn't?
Also does it takes longer for CM7 to develop because they are adding more features to the ROM?
The reason I'm asking is because I had this questions and is nothing against CM7 directly at all, I just want to understand how they are doing it and see the benefits.
Thanks
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Eagle Blood is based on the existing gingerbread leak with added tweaks.
Cyanodenmod is build completely from the ground up using the AOSP source code. It has features not found in ROMs released by manufacturers.
It's like modding an engine vs building an engine.
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Eagle Blood is based on the existing gingerbread leak.
Cyanodenmod is build from the ground up using the AOSP source code.
It's like modding an engine vs building an engine.
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That clears up some of my doubts.
So basically they are using a gingerbread AOSP from google?
And what are the advantages of doing it this way instead of just grabbing a leaked ROM and tweak it.
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Once they get the device-specific stuff ironed out, feature updates can be added easily across multiple devices.
For example, if you look at the CM7 changelog the unlabeled changes are to all GB devices and the entries labeled "p999" are changes specific to this device.
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That clears up some of my doubts.
So basically they are using a gingerbread AOSP from google?
And what are the advantages of doing it this way instead of just grabbing a leaked ROM and tweak it.
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Better performance. Manufactures ROMs often end up with bad coding which results in a device suffering from things such as bad battery life, lower performance, etc. Also with official ROMs you can't do much with it until they release the source code. And even then (at least with samsung) some things like driver source never get released which means the devs cant fully optimize the ROM. AOSP means full control over the ROM to make it do what you want it to do the way you want it to be done. It does take much longer to complete though which is why CM has nightly updates. Makes it easier to put out a nightly than to put out a whole new ROM for every bug they fix. I'm sure someone can explain this better than me.
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For example, if you look at the CM7 changelog the unlabeled changes are to all GB devices and the entries labeled "p999" are changes specific to this device.
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Oh good to know, thanks
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Better performance. Manufactures ROMs often end up with bad coding which results in a device suffering from things such as bad battery life, lower performance, etc. Also with official ROMs you can't do much with it until they release the source code. And even then (at least with samsung) some things like driver source never get released which means the devs cant fully optimize the ROM. AOSP means full control over the ROM to make it do what you want it to do the way you want it to be done. It does take much longer to complete though which is why CM has nightly updates. Makes it easier to put out a nightly than to put out a whole new ROM for every bug they fix. I'm sure someone can explain this better than me.
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Wow, this really answers my question as to why it takes them longer. Thanks
So it means that cyanogen even develop their own drivers?
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You mentioned that you feel eaglesblood is more stable than CM7. Is this from personal experience or from reading the forums? In my experience, CM7 as of around nightly #11 has every significant bug worked out.
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You mentioned that you feel eaglesblood is more stable than CM7. Is this from personal experience or from reading the forums? In my experience, CM7 as of around nightly #11 has every significant bug worked out.
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I must disagree. I LOVE CM 7 and ran build 11 and 13 and found it rather buggy right now. Sometimes the touch screen didn't recognize touches on the right side(I consider this a significant bug). When you call a number and have to punch in numbers (like a VM password or when dialing an extension) did not work for me(which I consider another significant bug). I also heard there are issues with it sticking APN settings(cant comment because I didnt really check that when I had cm 7 installed) I just dont think cm 7 is stable enough at the moment. Eagle Blood is running pretty well right now. I would say a lot better than cm 7 but that will change once CM gets the bugs worked out
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You mentioned that you feel eaglesblood is more stable than CM7. Is this from personal experience or from reading the forums? In my experience, CM7 as of around nightly #11 has every significant bug worked out.
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Yes, personal experience. Been running eb 1.02 and is been great.
I Just flashed CM7 #15 just to test it out and is buggy for me
-When i receive a call i don't get any sound from the ringer even though is not muted
-Sensors are like in auto brightness even though they are not
-The performance of the whole system isn't the best.
I am sure it will be the best ROM out there but as for now still only and nightly and is buggy
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One significant difference for me, which is due to the fact that Cyanogen has built their own rom with their different bluetooth stacks (as opposed to LG's custom ones), is that bluetooth controllers actually work with CM7. Useful for using a wiimote on emulators through HDMI
Just something to consider, no bluetooth controllers on EB.
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Eagle Blood is based on the existing gingerbread leak with added tweaks.
Cyanodenmod is build completely from the ground up using the AOSP source code. It has features not found in ROMs released by manufacturers.
It's like modding an engine vs building an engine.
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Right, and not only that, cyanogen has many different phones he and his dev team have to work on.
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Build #16 is out today and supposedly the TouchTones in the dialer and the backlight is fixed (thank god!)
But yes. Cyanogen builds their own kernel and drivers, which is why it usually is more compatible with stuff like WiiMotes and stuff. But once they get the Kernel working properly (which they are doing now) it is just a matter of updating the core OS then it can be pushed to all devices pretty seamlessly (I guess).
There are lots of benefits of using CM over standard stock Gingerbread. For one, Stock is 2.3.3 where CM7 is 2.3.4 so it supports lots of Googles new apps like Video in Google Talk and the new Cloud Music player.
Also there are tons of tweaks like Notification menu toggles, System Themes, Sound Profiles, Black-List calling, Several Lockscreen types and Widgets with Gesture support, etc the list goes on and on.
Between the Notification Toggles and Themes which you can install from the market, I'm hooked.
Plus it is the only Gingerbread rom that doesn't cause my phone to lockup/reset/Black Screen of Death/whateveryoucallit
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You mentioned that you feel eaglesblood is more stable than CM7. Is this from personal experience or from reading the forums? In my experience, CM7 as of around nightly #11 has every significant bug worked out.
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It has tons of bugs like inaccurate battery readings
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my concern is that is the g2x able to do 1080p video recording and high resolution picture like the stock rom? THis is the only reson why I'm still sticking with the stock rom.
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CM7 as of around nightly #11 has every significant bug worked out.
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u must be high
jdaclutch said:
my concern is that is the g2x able to do 1080p video recording and high resolution picture like the stock rom? THis is the only reson why I'm still sticking with the stock rom.
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+1. I take a lot of photos and videos of my kids and would rather stick with 2.2 than have a gimped camera.
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+1. I take a lot of photos and videos of my kids and would rather stick with 2.2 than have a gimped camera.
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Yeah, i take alot of pictures and videos too
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Related
Trigger is done, roman moved on. Xboarder stopped a long time ago.
There are about 5 left,
EB? I think this is still being worked on..
MIUI
CM7
Whitehawk's 2.3.3 & other stock-based roms
Faux's Nexus
That's it. I hope Krylon's & Whitehawk's up-coming rom is kick-ass.
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Trigger is done, roman moved on. Xboarder stopped a long time ago.
There are about 5 left,
EB? I think this is still being worked on..
MIUI
CM7
Whitehawk's 2.3.3 & other stock-based roms
Faux's Nexus
That's it. I hope Krylon's & Whitehawk's up-coming rom is kick-ass.
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Once the Prime or Hercules launch you can probably bet that it will be a complete afterthought
I may be off the mark but as far as I'm concerned, NVidia's the one who screwed us all by not releasing their source. In the absence of that development can only go so far. This will be my last NVidia device of any kind if I can help it -- for phones/tablets, I'm going with TI or Qualcomm and for laptops, I'm going with ... well, whatever I can get away with
I'm happy so long as CM7 keeps chugging along and the lge_star keeps getting device-specific updates.
LONG LIVE CM!
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I may be off the mark but as far as I'm concerned, NVidia's the one who screwed us all by not releasing their source. In the absence of that development can only go so far. This will be my last NVidia device of any kind if I can help it -- for phones/tablets, I'm going with TI or Qualcomm and for laptops, I'm going with ... well, whatever I can get away with
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Yeah Nvidia can suck it. ATI and for Computers and TI/Samsung/Qualcomm for mobile.
Nvidia has never been that open with their products. And likely never will.
I'm not worried about it. Its a pretty bad ass phone, once you get it working right. Trigger and Roman aren't necessarily gone...he's just working on other phones too. Plus, I'm sure new devs are getting some G2Xs every day. Somebody will step in to fill all the voids. Whitehawkx is around, Fits is busy, faux, and obviously the CM team...our world isn't so bleak. Hell, man...get the dev tools and make us something.
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The phone's running pretty stable once up and running. Development isn't really needed here, handful stock roms and 2 AOSP and MIUI, do you really need more roms?
Once ICS is released there should be a jump.
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Nvidia is f....ing this up..
When I get my g2x next week I'll see if HTC sense is possible.
Used to be a HUGE CM7 fan, still am but I am thoroughly impressed with MIUI and the level of customization and user interface, its just alot cleaner. And of couse MIUI would be nowhere without the CM7 base. Hats off to both teams! My G2x would be garbage without them.
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When I get my g2x next week I'll see if HTC sense is possible.
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+1 for sense
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dev_man77 said:
Used to be a HUGE CM7 fan, still am but I am thoroughly impressed with MIUI and the level of customization and user interface, its just alot cleaner. And of couse MIUI would be nowhere without the CM7 base. Hats off to both teams! My G2x would be garbage without them.
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Whose MUIU are you using? The one here or the one over on the other site?
I'm using Jface's 8.19 rom since it was released a few weeks ago and aside from the lack of WiFi Calling and WiFi Tether, it is running like a dream. Battery is good and the phone is snappy. I was getting FC's with Rom Manager Premium but RM updated and now its good.
But really, CM and MIUI are pretty much the icing on the cake. Both are updated regularly by their respective teams.
It is also funny that this thread is right above "Nightlies are like crack". There are plenty of stuff to flash and try but right now, most roms are "as good as they can get "hardware-wise" aside from little tweaks and bug fixes all of them are working fairly well.
I need WiFi calling so that version isn't a viable option for me. There are still some little bugs with the version on the other site (having problem installing and applying themes). Once the bugs are worked out it would be a viable alternative to CM7. I still use Weapons as my daily ROM, and CM7 when I want Netflix. If CM7 or MIUI found a way to get HBO Go working and allowed HDMI output control I would probably start using them on a daily basis.
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The phone's running pretty stable once up and running. Development isn't really needed here, handful stock roms and 2 AOSP and MIUI, do you really need more roms?
Once ICS is released there should be a jump.
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Agreed on stability. Still a few things I would like to see...Netflix and Hulu on stock ROMs, better camera, and perfect video chat to name a few.
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With minimal support from LG and Nvidia devs can only do so much. Most rooms have already become about as good as it's possible to be within their constraints.
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Ya I just got this phone. This is the 13th android I ever had and definitely near the bottom for development. Not much variety and seems to be going downhill
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You can't get much variety because this phone is based off Stock android. Can't really blame the devs if LG couldn't produce a respectable upgrade.
All the ROMs are based of CM7, AOSP, or Stock 2.3.3
If you seen one you seen them all. Can't have SENSE on this device. That would create more flavor of ROMs.
But the biggest deterrent is LG and NVIDIA. No support, you can only get so far. Lesson learned. Don't buy a device that has no love/support from manufacturer.
lately i've been upgrading less and less. i think once the phone gets to a stable environment (which is almost has) there really is less and less reason for development since it is stable.
There was someone that was looking into porting motoblur and optimus 2x but he seems to have gone AWOL
With the risk of getting banned, flamed or closed down.
It would be cool if someone could clear this up and I think I am not the only one confused here. I might add a FAQ later with all the answers.
So far there seem to be 3 ICS Roms*:
CyanogenMod9 G2X (SelfKANG)
*****EaglesBlood™***** ICS 4.0.3
HellFire Sandwich
*I ignore the (modified) MIUI ICS Roms because they don't seem to have data working according to their threads.
Now what are the real differences?
SelfKANG seems to be the most 'original' a.k.a first one. According to his post "Most visible Known issues [are]:
- No media acceleration: No video decoding, no video encoding
- Apps made for Android 4 with their own specific graphics implementations (Chrome is a good example) will be glitchy."
Then there's HellFire Sandwich which seems to build of one SelfKang version (not really clear), but according to changelog it got media acceleration. Does this mean video decoding & video encoding are working?
Last, but not least, there's ***EaglesBlood™***. According to post it's "BASED OFF CM9 UNRELEASED SOURCE.THIS IS NOT A KANG OF "Arcee's ROM (SelfKANG)" What's the difference? I thought Arcree's is CM9. At least in my understanding, it was...
Do all 3 Roms have the same problems (it doesn't seem to be the case though)? Which ones are the known problems exactly?
Then there's this list I found where more seems to be working. Or at least the problems that are reported sometimes shouldn't happen according to this list.
I went through many pages of the developers threads and no clear answer is to be found. I'm just really confused right now.
Thanks in advance.
Which Rom are you using? Why?
so, ricardo's (arcee's) cm9 build is unsupported by cm team.
Hellfire does not have hardware acceleration/video decoding/video encoding, it is a slightly modded cm9skX; so naturally they have the same issues.
doniqcc is doing his own thing based on the cm teams github sources.
i havent tried eagles blood yet, but i would recommend cm9sk3.
dont forget faux123's kernel. and v6 supercharger if you have the skill.
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i would recommend cm9sk3.
dont forget faux123's kernel. and v6 supercharger if you have the skill.
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ty for clearing some things up.
I'll give it a try. I should have the skill.
Any other recommendations for tweaks, scripts, apps?
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Last, but not least, **EB ICS**. According to post it's "BASED OFF CM9 UNRELEASED SOURCE.THIS IS NOT A KANG OF "Arcee's ROM (SelfKANG)" What's the difference? I thought Arcree's is CM9. At least in my understanding, it was...
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EB is based on the straight source code pulled from the Github. From what I understand, this would be like compiling your own "nightly" build from the most up-to-date changes.
everything has a tweaked hardware acceleration..HFS has media acceleration so you can play games from tegra zone. However, this does not have the video encoding to play movies. youtube works though. I haven't used EB so can't comment on that one.
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everything has a tweaked hardware acceleration..HFS has media acceleration so you can play games from tegra zone. (...) youtube works though.
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thy for the answer.
do these work only work on HFS? or also on SelfKANG3?
SK3 can do youtube and just about any game I've tried to play. The only problem I've experienced because of lack of HW acceleration is trouble with Chrome for Android. Arcee said that apps like that which were written for ICS may have problems. Other than that, smooth sailing with SK3
Running sk3 and its damn good..haven't tried eb or Hellfire but reading thru the threads they both seem pretty solid
I think HFS is the most smooth of the 3
To clarify, Hellfire is based on self kang 1, next update should include things from 2 an 3 but there hasn't been an update since before SK2 was released.
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Just waiting for HFS to get a little farther then it will be the only one I run.
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CM9.0.0-RC0 SelfKANG3-G2X
Faux CM 49b4 SV ICS
Apex Launcher Beta v0.2
I have used all of them and I feel as though EB ICS feels the least "experimental" and the most like a daily driver IMHO. I use it just like previous EB roms for the most part and it has been a very consistent experience for me
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I've only tried HFS and while I like it a lot I am going back to 1.9 since it is more stable. I work in the basement of a hospital and don't get a steady signal to my phone unless I use my work's Wifi and enable Phone Wifi. HFS crashes every 15 to 20 seconds whenever I enable to Phone Wifi so I can't use it reliably at work. That said when it becomes stable, I can't wait to enjoy some HFS goodness.
I've been running HFS and I've had only the known issues (wifi calling, ICS apps fc, etc...) I have been running John's roms sine he was kanging EB roms. He responds quick to issues and only releases complete roms ( as complete as possible)
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squallz506 said:
so, ricardo's (arcee's) cm9 build is unsupported by cm team.
Hellfire does not have hardware acceleration/video decoding/video encoding, it is a slightly modded cm9skX; so naturally they have the same issues.
doniqcc is doing his own thing based on the cm teams github sources.
i havent tried eagles blood yet, but i would recommend cm9sk3.
dont forget faux123's kernel. and v6 supercharger if you have the skill.
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There is HW acceleration, just not media acceleration. No dev would've released any sort of ICS rom without at least partially working HW acceleration. Faux's kernel is not needed, as all it does is OC/UV, and I would wait for morfic's kernel since there actually is a performance gain.
I'll add my vote for HFS. Started running it yesterday and it has been pretty smooth with almost no issues (except the known ones).
I am really digging ICS!
thanks for all the answers. Added a poll
I've been trying SK3 with faux 049b4 which comes with a minor bug.
If you flash Faux on SK3, it completely removes the "Mobile Data Limit" option which was added in Sk3.
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So far it seems good/stable. what I've *really* noticed so far:
Fb contact sync won't work. (thanks to ICS, google & fb)
sadly no gestures for launcer nor ability to hide apps in drawer.
Try using apex launcher for hiding apps and gestures. I think it is best of the ics based launchers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452663
HFS 1.1 is indeed based on SK1, but for the most part is similar to SK2 after Hell's tweaks. His next build is supposed to be from source (SK3) and we'll probably have some of his personal customizations.
SK3 added in selection options your storage and something else that escapes my memory at the moment that wasn't terribly significant to me.
EB build 1 basically is SK2 built from source. His next build is supposed to be SK3 with more of his customizations from his other EB roms.
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I'm running cm9 sk3 and its awesome. Flashed hfs but preferred cm9. I keep hearing that hfs has MA working but it didn't work for me. Can someone confirm these statements
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Hey everyone,
This isn't a technical question is an opinion question. Why are ICS roms so popular when there are so many things like native video recording and hardware acceleration are missing (do to drivers). I see that development is moving quickly with ICS yet Gingerbread has slowed way down. CM7 is still going strong but roms based on stock releases are, practically, dead. I just wanted to see what the opinions are in terms of switching over to ICS as opposed to using a fully functional rom.
ICS is what everyone wants, and wishes for. CM7 is about as good as its going to get (besides ironing out the kinks like BT and little things) stock is at its finest pretty much. Cm9 ICS is exciting and very nice looking. AOKP's customization possibilities are awesome give the phone a whole new look that make friends jealous (specifically iPhone friends lol).
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I haven't flashed an ICS ROM in months. I agree with you. I think it's just more of the mentality "latest and greatest" so people naturally go for it.
I don't want that, I want something that works. LG cam is freaking amazing and, even though I don't take much videos, the option is there with such clarity and ease.
I'll stick with gingerbread even if ICS is never fully functional because cm7 is already perfect for me.
ICS in my opinion performs much better than ginerbread.
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ICS in my opinion performs much better than ginerbread.
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in what way, lol?
buru898 said:
I haven't flashed an ICS ROM in months. I agree with you. I think it's just more of the mentality "latest and greatest" so people naturally go for it.
I don't want that, I want something that works. LG cam is freaking amazing and, even though I don't take much videos, the option is there with such clarity and ease.
I'll stick with gingerbread even if ICS is never fully functional because cm7 is already perfect for me.
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I second this...latest and greatest but at the cost functionality...then they complain about things not working properly *sigh*
I'm using CM 7 and don't have any issues...I do flash kernels and am using faux's b5...pretty awesome...can't wait to try harshs CM 7 kernel
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Another GB CM7 user here. ICS is the latest & shiny toy, so everyone focuses on that. Almost all apps work on GB, and uses less resources. Plus since ICS & CM9 are more recent, there's more bugs to fix so the perceived "development" going on.
I do use ICS keyboard app & the ICS Roboto font, but don't like the low-contrast blue on black ICS color scheme.
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I haven't flashed an ICS ROM in months. I agree with you. I think it's just more of the mentality "latest and greatest" so people naturally go for it.
I don't want that, I want something that works. LG cam is freaking amazing and, even though I don't take much videos, the option is there with such clarity and ease.
I'll stick with gingerbread even if ICS is never fully functional because cm7 is already perfect for me.
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+1
Exactly my thoughts!
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ics has support for multicore devices, gb doesnt. im pretty sure that the JIT has also been tweaked for better battery life. and its pretty haha.
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ics has support for multicore devices, gb doesnt. im pretty sure that the JIT has also been tweaked for better battery life. and its pretty haha.
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Where are you getting this info? multicore support is mostly in the kernel and since both GB & ICS ROMs use the same kernel on G2x (except Harsh's 3.x), they all support Symmetrical Multi-Processors ('uname -a' shows 'SMP'). I'd like to see some performance numbers between GB & ICS, doubt they'll be much different.
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ics has support for multicore devices, gb doesnt. im pretty sure that the JIT has also been tweaked for better battery life. and its pretty haha.
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It has the support, but is it available for our phone? And what's the point without gpu drivers.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/interview-with-cyanogenmod-developer-ricardo-cerqueira/
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Where are you getting this info? multicore support is mostly in the kernel and since both GB & ICS ROMs use the same kernel on G2x (except Harsh's 3.x), they all support Symmetrical Multi-Processors ('uname -a' shows 'SMP'). I'd like to see some performance numbers between GB & ICS, doubt they'll be much different.
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We have the jarvis kernel 3xxx and his updater/tweaking app for ics, but agree with you guys and the functionality of gingerbread/cm7. Don't forget to check out my interview with cm_arcee, link at top!
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/interview-with-cyanogenmod-developer-ricardo-cerqueira/
We have the jarvis kernel 3xxx and his updater/tweaking app for ics, but agree with you guys and the functionality of gingerbread/cm7. Don't forget to check out my interview with cm_arcee, link at top!
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Thanks for the interview link, it's great to have a brief inside "peek" of the person behind the scenes.
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Currently I"m on stock 2.3.3.
but for the last couple months i have been on ics mostly for cosmetic reasons.
I enjoyed the new widgets and lock screen options.(Not face unlock)
I really haven't noticed a difference in speed. cm7 and stock are far more stable then any ics build i have used.
I'm actully back to stock now because i wanted to upgrade to the new bb. Probably going to stay this way until linaro gets integrated with hellfire sandwich.
ics
google put a lot of work into making ics a lot more polished, obviously they can't make the design appeal to everybody so the only way you can really tell if you will like it better than gb is to try it, I recommend the hellfire sandwich rom, it is by far the most stable and complete rom, and we are looking at linaro in the next build which means that it is 100% faster than stock android
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Currently I"m on stock 2.3.3.
but for the last couple months i have been on ics mostly for cosmetic reasons.
I enjoyed the new widgets and lock screen options.(Not face unlock)
I really haven't noticed a difference in speed. cm7 and stock are far more stable then any ics build i have used.
I'm actully back to stock now because i wanted to upgrade to the new bb. Probably going to stay this way until linaro gets integrated with hellfire sandwich.
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hellfire sandwich pg 502, hfs already supports new bb
I use stock rooted with the new baseband and its extremely stable
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i too updated the baseband and love the new stock 2.3.4, but i also like running the latest cm7, everything just works (well except for BT right now LOL)
better battery life and video are the reasons i stay on GB, but i do love ICS and flash it all the time when someone releases a new version (Genesis and Eaglesblood are the ones i use)
in ICS i really like the chrome browser and task manager when you hold home. the rest is about the same but i get a little better battery with EB build2 and i just changed to HFS so hopefully it keeps the better battery.
there is also hardware support just not in the menu menu, flash and openGL are supported.
There seems to be quite a few jelly bean roms right now, and without an official leak, I am sure each one has its ups and downs at this point.
I am coming from synergyrom, and want to give JB a try. Since theres is still "beta" I am not sure I wanna try that right away.
Which is the most stable at this point??
Definitely liquid smooth...I've tried others and always revert back to touch wiz stock based roms, and i despise touch wiz...liquid smooth jb is the best I've flashed
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liquid smooth is awesome for aosp JB, but touchwiz there's not much thats super stable imo
thanks for the input so far!
Please note if there are known issues, that might help make decisions too.
Thanks all!!
I like codename. Super smooth, frickin' fast and barely believable battery life! Some apps don't stream audio over bluetooth and you have to enable a couple of Developer options to address screen flickering, but those are truthfully very minor annoyances you'll be happy to overlook when you get a taste of that ROM.
Seriously, try it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900479
I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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I've tried both liquid and codename. They are both very very similar. I can't find cant difference in customization between the two.
Codename ran a little warm for me, not saying liquid runs cool but still.
The reason I jumped to liquid is because in codename (for me anyway) the 160 character MMS bug still persisted, it does not in liquid.
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I can respect that. Haven't tried liquid as the CNA ROM got posted around the time I got this phone. I've heard the 160 character error msg is a bit of a red herring, that the msgs actually do get sent but just say they didn't. Was that your experience or did they actually not get sent?
One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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Well said.
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One of the biggest issues with JB roms is if your not in a 4G area then be prepared for some non stop 3G data drops. Also I've noticed weaker signal strength in both service and wifi.
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There is a fix for this now but just has not made it's way into all AOSP roms yet. There are in most of the newer AOKP builds right now.
The biggest issue still is the low volume when recording video's. This is an issue in all AOSP roms and has not been fixed yet. I know I also read a lot about speakerphone and in call volume problems but not sure to much about the actual issue.
This is why I am still sticking to an ICS TW Rom. I like knowing everything on my device just works.
The only major thing that keeps from moving to CM10, or Liquid Smooth is the lack of USB Audio. I leave my phone on my dock at work and stream Pandora through the dock's usb audio. I've been using SynergyROM for awhile now, and will probably stick with it until the USB Audio issue is fixed.
AOKP's new build has been great for me. No real issues to report yet...been on it since 3 came out a week or so ago?
i haven't been too impressed jb at all tbh.
Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***
What are the general downsides with using these JB roms weither it be TouchWiz or AOSP. I'm going to take the jump soon but whats fixed or unfixable? I hear some people say screen flicker and no 3G etc.
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Well there's two routes you can go to get your JellyBean fix, and that's either AOSP or TouchWiz.
Touchwiz: You've got two choices.
- You could go with Synergy JB 0.2 beta which is based off the AT&T leaked JB touchwiz build. I personally have not ran it so i can't comment on how well it works, but i use synergy as my touchwiz choice of roms, and was never disappointed by there work, so i'm sure the JB build is working great.
- There is also Jellywiz which is made by Incubus, he's been basing his off the latest leaks, and has a few builds out. One of them is a custom build which just has a few theme changes, and a few other things added in/changed. There's a lot of praise in that thread for his rom, the only bug i had when trying it was that i could not get voice and data to work at the same time (phone calls and web browsing at the same time) But that is because its not based off a verizon leak and until then probably will not work.
AOSP: We'll you've got a lot of options, there's a few here on XDA and then some more on Rootzwiki, so i won't be giving detail on all of them, just a few. But they will all generally 'look' the same, by that i mean because they are all based on AOSP source it'll have the same look to it, since source looks the same.
-CM10: Well it's your basic CM that you've grown to love (or hate ) you can expect nightlies, and things to get fixed in a timely matter. If you used CM7 or CM9 on previous devices then you'll know exactly what to expect. Its built directly from source and you can expect it to be speedy quick.
-AOKP: It's built from source as well just like CM10, but has more options in it, and generally more customization as well. If you use it it'll look a lot like CM10, but it'll have added in bonuses
-CodeNameAndroid: Again built from source, but with codename you've got a ton of customization thrown in, there's a lot of stuff from different AOSP options thrown into it. Right now the Navbar doesn't work without flashing a separate file, but that's not a huge problem since its just a little file to flash. I personally am using it right now and its been great to me, can't really complain about it at all
-LiquidSmooth: Built from source, those that have used a liquid rom before will know exactly what to expect. It will be speedy quick and smooth as hell. You'll find plenty of butter in it as well, they've got there own liquidsettings that'll allow you to do even more customization, and i give them major props, i've currently got them going on my old thunderbolt which is my backup phone, but also used them on my OG Droid and i can vouch that they will provide an amazing rom for users
There are more AOSP Roms over on rootzwiki, but its again the same general thing, each AOSP rom comes from source, but each developer will theme/modify/add/remove/customize to there own liking to provide you with what they feel is the best user experience. The biggest difference between the Touchwiz JB roms and AOSP is that with AOSP you'll have a lot more options going and it'll be stock jellybean, no touchwiz nonsense to hold you back. Some people love the touchwiz stuff and that's fine, but some will love having pure jellybean on there phone and being able to take advantage of that. I'll tell you honestly 100% that AOSP will be faster no matter what touchwiz rom you run.
Oh and kernel wise, i fully stand behind imoseyon's lean kernel for AOSP roms, i've always used imoseyon's kernel's and have always gotten amazing battery life on my GS3 and thunderbolt.
Phew i really hope this helps you with any decision you may have
***If i missed any Touchwiz or AOSP roms i do apologize, i don't know them all off the top of my head, so please don't think that just because i left yours out that i meant it in a bad way***
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thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?
I would hold out a few more weeks for a touchwiz based rom - I tried Incubus' and got a number of random reboots. Cleanrom 2.5 has been working great!
Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.
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thanks a bunch for the big write-up. I do live in an area that is partly 3g, part 4g, so I am a little concerned about these data drops.. Has this been fixed in the AOSP roms mentioned above?
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your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
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Currently, all the AOSP roms have the same issues -
- data drops, esp on 3g/4g handoff. There were some recent commits that claim to have fixed this, I'm not sure if it did and which rom's include it
- potential for IMEI loss or brick. Again, you should back up IMEI before any flash, I don't think these issues are present on TW
- TW camera is better. There's an AOSP JB camera mod but hasn't been updated for the newer builds yet
- GPS locks. I keep reading about this in the AOSP rom's, I don't know how common this is.
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Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.
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your welcome. It ended up being a lot longer than I had originally planned. As for data drops, I'm testing a fix right now and I can confirm it works fine
Data drops were indeed fixed
Imei issues can happen when flashing anything from radios to kernels to roms both touchwiz to aosp. It can also easily be restored.
Tw camera only has a few more features, but in terms of quality their both equal to me. Once the aosp mod is updated it'll be even better.
GPS lock is simple, just get a full lock before flashing aosp and then while having it locked boot into recovery and do your thing.
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link to CM10 data fix?
So I've spent over half a day looking at all the custom rom options and now my head hurts.
Wayyyyy too many options. I even tried one (lunareclipse) out which is working great but not quite what I'm looking for.
All I need is a SIMPLE, STABLE and CLEAN rom devoid of pretty much everything but the necessary functions.
No google stuff, no battery gizmos, no fancy themes... just a completely cleaned out, stable rom.
I almost went for CM7 but I couldn't confirm its viability with an Atrix 2.
Anyone who can point me in the right direction will be owed a thousand thanks and over 900000000000 internets. :good:
You wanna stick with ics and below ?
Try the jb ROMs like PA 3.15, CM10.1. They are wayy better than ICS. They have some bugs though. ( look at their respective threads for more info)
And if you're sticking with ICS, try numa or scv7.
And btw, more details about your phone would be better like the region, Android version etc ( As some of the ROMs aren't made for ATT phones)
NOTE : YOU HAVE TO BE ON ICS FIRST TO TRY ANY OF THE ICS OR JB ROMs
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I prefer 2.3.6 simply because I don't have ics and I'm not sure I want to add one more step unless there are huge gains in performance and stability to be had.
And I'm in NZ so it's obviously a non AT&T phone. And I've checked for ota updates, but the phone doesn't show any so I'm not sure how to go about upgrading to ics even if I wanted to.
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I prefer 2.3.6 simply because I don't have ics and I'm not sure I want to add one more step unless there are huge gains in performance and stability to be had.
And I'm in NZ so it's obviously a non AT&T phone. And I've checked for ota updates, but the phone doesn't show any so I'm not sure how to go about upgrading to ics even if I wanted to.
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I didn't spend much of time with GB, so I don't remember how it used to be. 4.2 is much better than ICS in my experience.
You get cool features like quick settings, expandable notifications and stuff.
See if any of the files from this thread suits your device region. Don't flash any other files other than the right one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1934874
Trust me, ICS+ is a huge leap. looks WAY nicer, and runs smoother. Stock ICS is pretty clean compared to stock GB, but CM10.1 is probably the simplest of the custom roms. It keeps the stock android look, and adds a few nice little features. Feels pretty much like stock JB though, and trust me, JB is completely worth it. Project butter took the last step for a solid OS that ICS nearly brought.
CM10.1 is quite stable as long as you are not plagued with the black screen bug, which you will know right away. Other than that, the stock battery stats don't work (use Gsam, its really clean and simple), but it runs great otherwise.
I am not a fan of PA and I doubt you would be, as it has a ton of settings and features that you may not need.
PACman combines CM PA and AOKP, so it is full of features, but can be pretty clean.
AOKP is not out for us yet, but when I have time I am trying to get it working, as it is my favorite. Basically it is CM10.1 with a few great features added.
EDIT: just remembered, CM7 was never released for our phone, as it was too hard to get working at the time, so that is not an option, though in the days of GB it was great.
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I prefer 2.3.6 simply because I don't have ics and I'm not sure I want to add one more step unless there are huge gains in performance and stability to be had.
And I'm in NZ so it's obviously a non AT&T phone. And I've checked for ota updates, but the phone doesn't show any so I'm not sure how to go about upgrading to ics even if I wanted to.
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Hey mate, on my NZ Telecom A2 I have observed the following:
Stock 2.3.6: great stability, a little laggy, good battery
NZ Telecom ICS: great stability, ok performance (better than 2.3.6), good battery
JB leak: great stability, good performance, good battery, no device encryption
cm 10.1: : medium stability (occacional camera and sound hiccups that require restarts), great performance, good battery
these are the roms I have tested so far. If I could live w/o encryption, I'd go for the JB leak.
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I am not a fan of PA and I doubt you would be, as it has a ton of settings and features that you may not need.
PACman combines CM PA and AOKP, so it is full of features, but can be pretty clean.
AOKP is not out for us yet, but when I have time I am trying to get it working, as it is my favorite. Basically it is CM10.1 with a few great features added.
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PA actually has a lot less features and settings when compared to CM.. And it is a lot closer to "stock" AOSP jellybean than CM is.
PA's main and signature feature is the per-app size and color settings (and the PIE controls - until CM recently decided to merge those into their source code).
I am not getting defensive, but c'mon.. He won't be a fan of it because you are not a fan? Sounds like you never tried it yourself, so best let people form their own impressions.
Also, if you looked at the AOKP manifest, it is not basically CM10.1. It is AOKP - using a lot from Google's AOSP sources, and mostly just the hardware from CyanogenMod and a few other things.
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CM10.1 is quite stable as long as you are not plagued with the black screen bug, which you will know right away. Other than that, the stock battery stats don't work (use Gsam, its really clean and simple), but it runs great otherwise.
I am not a fan of PA and I doubt you would be, as it has a ton of settings and features that you may not need.
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PA actually has a lot less features and settings when compared to CM.. And it is a lot closer to "stock" AOSP jellybean than CM is.
PA's main and signature feature is the per-app size and color settings (and the PIE controls - until CM recently decided to merge those into their source code).
He won't be a fan of it because you are not a fan? Sounds like you never tried it yourself, so best let people form their own impressions.
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Lol CM10.1 vs PA(just kidding)...
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Lol CM10.1 vs PA(just kidding)...
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Sorry.. it seems like that, ey? That wasn't my intention.. There are plenty of ROMs to go around and plenty more on the way!
And.. "To each their own"
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Sorry.. it seems like that, ey? That wasn't my intention.. There are plenty of ROMs to go around and plenty more on the way!
And.. "To each their own"
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P.A user from its start build till now..double tumbs up to alteredlikeness
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PA actually has a lot less features and settings when compared to CM.. And it is a lot closer to "stock" AOSP jellybean than CM is.
PA's main and signature feature is the per-app size and color settings (and the PIE controls - until CM recently decided to merge those into their source code).
I am not getting defensive, but c'mon.. He won't be a fan of it because you are not a fan? Sounds like you never tried it yourself, so best let people form their own impressions.
Also, if you looked at the AOKP manifest, it is not basically CM10.1. It is AOKP - using a lot from Google's AOSP sources, and mostly just the hardware from CyanogenMod and a few other things.
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Sorry, I understand, but I really feel that CM is generally more straight forward and solid, I tried out PA for a change the other day, and while I understand the concept, it is just not really my thing, and judging by the description in the OP he seems to like things pretty plain. Maybe code wise it is closer to stock, but I have always felt that CM felt very clean and professional compared to many other ROMs. Not that they are bad, I have just liked the feel of CM better.
I admit to having some bias in my writing, but I feel that I and the OP have very similar tastes in what we are looking for.
Not trying to smash it or anything, I respect your work, and that of the developers of the ROM itself, but I just think it would not be best based on the given description.
I understand that AOKP is more AOSP, but I was trying to simplify here. In general, I feel that in the versions I have used it is very similar to CM, with a few more features, though it may not be directly from CM source.
Sorry to have disagreed with you, and of course everyone is welcome to their own opinions, I was just trying to give mine.
Sorry.. I was a little grumpy this morning
It's all good.
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EDIT: And, I agree, CM is the king of after-market firmware. And for good reason - it's good quality.. It helps that they have been around so long, and have enlisted an army of coders/programmers and average joe's contributing to the source by the minute.. But, yea, basically all of the other major custom ROMs use a lot of CM code.. Heck, I'm sure even Google merges CM changes back into AOSP at times.
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Sorry.. I was a little grumpy this morning
It's all good.
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EDIT: And, I agree, CM is the king of after-market firmware. And for good reason - it's good quality.. It helps that they have been around so long, and have enlisted an army of coders/programmers and average joe's contributing to the source by the minute.. But, yea, basically all of the other major custom ROMs use a lot of CM code.. Heck, I'm sure even Google merges CM changes back into AOSP at times.
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LOL, so true, whether they take direct code or not, thy have taken features multiple times!