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I read that for those of us that installed clockworkmod on our G2x using Rom Manager, that we can't boot into recovery other than with Rom manager or that other recovery boot app.
If we want to be able to boot into recovery from bootlooping or some issue like that we need to flash it the Nvflash way? Is this correct?
I've had to manually enter recovery on my N1 a few times, and if I can't do that on the G2x that would seem not as safe for when flashing n such. Thanks!
I actually have both NvFlash method and RomManager method. In an emergency situation it is going to be better to use the NvFlash method that way you can use the 2 button method to enter recovery in case you cannot boot your rom. Of course RomManager has a newer version so I dont know if that has any advantages. I mean there is always ADB if you get into serious trouble but for some reason I just cannot get it to push any files even though it does recognize the phone.
Use Nvflash so you can hold volume down and power until you see ANDROID on the screen.
Rusty! said:
Hold volume down and power until you see ANDROID on the screen.
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uhhh, isn't that a hard reset?
Nope, try it and see (backup first if you're paranoid )
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Nope, try it and see (backup first if you're paranoid )
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Isn't that for nvflash method only though?
Sent from my G2x
Mine is an O2X, but I've never used NVFLash for recovery, I dd'd it the first time, and use ROM Manager to flash it subsequent times.
V- & Power worked on all 3 versions I've had installed.
jrharvey said:
I actually have both NvFlash method and RomManager method. In an emergency situation it is going to be better to use the NvFlash method that way you can use the 2 button method to enter recovery in case you cannot boot your rom. Of course RomManager has a newer version so I dont know if that has any advantages. I mean there is always ADB if you get into serious trouble but for some reason I just cannot get it to push any files even though it does recognize the phone.
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Which method did you do first?
I'm assuming NVFlash should be done first just to be sure
moshe22 said:
Which method did you do first?
I'm assuming NVFlash should be done first just to be sure
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i did Rom manager first witch made a fakeflash file( bad news if you get bootloops cuz you cant get into recovery via buttons ONLY within the OS)
then i did nvflash after he made that cute little video (works fine after installing CWM with rom manager!)
already flashed eagleblood 1.0
and using pauls service.jar file!!
To nvflash the latest CWM recovery, grab it here.
Then edit the command to show this instead of the test recovery that everyone has been using.
Code:
nvflash --bct E1108_Hynix_512MB_H8TBR00U0MLR-0DM_300MHz_final_emmc_x8.bct --bl fastboot.bin --download 5 recovery-clockwork-3.0.2.7-lge_p999.img
nvflash > RM (for now )
Rusty! said:
Mine is an O2X, but I've never used NVFLash for recovery, I dd'd it the first time, and use ROM Manager to flash it subsequent times.
V- & Power worked on all 3 versions I've had installed.
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On the G2x that will initiate a factory reset unless you've install CWR through nvflash
Interesting.
ROM Manager on the O2X will properly flash a new recovery, not a fake flash as it appears to do so on the G2X.
The key combo will also wipe an O2X that is running stock recovery, but who has one of them
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Interesting.
ROM Manager on the O2X will properly flash a new recovery, not a fake flash as it appears to do so on the G2X.
The key combo will also wipe an O2X that is running stock recovery, but who has one of them
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i think you should get your facts straight, although you have a O2x it still not completely identical to g2x
if you did the button combo without flashing cwm via nvflash then on the g2x will factory reset. your posts assume that every1 used this method already when majority still have the stock recovery.
without specifying you could of just advised noobs to do a factory reset
Indeed, when I saw that ROM Manager had support for both phones, I assumed it performed the same. Think I'll add a disclaimer to my earlier post, just in case.
Yup... Volume down + Power on a G2x that has recovery via Rom Manager and NOT Nvflash will cause a factory reset.
Good thing I had a nandroid to restore to. lol
Oh and that factory reset does *NOT* remove root, or it didn't in my case, Superuser was still installed also. lol
I know this is off topic, but where are you getting 7Mb/s in Vegas?
I only get about half that. I'm in N. Vegas though.
Nevermind. I just hit 12 somehow. haha
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Oh and that factory reset does *NOT* remove root, or it didn't in my case, Superuser was still installed also. lol
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Yeah that's normal, root files are on /system, factory reset only nukes /data
ok heres the big deal i noticed: and its the scary part!
If you just download ROM MANGER and FLASH RECOVERY thru that program, you will not have any options for a hardware recovery. Keep in mind this is NOT a dev phone! So dont think of it as one!
From the factory, when you hold vol down and power you basically perform a hard reset. If you flash clockwork recovery through NVFlash whenever you take battery out, put in, hold vol down and press and hold volume down and power until the android screen comes on, you will always have a way to recover your rom! So baically you need to nvflash the recovery. TRUST ME! Learn this! It's not hard. I can help you.
This is the reason nx1's and nxs's can not be bricked, is anytime you flash a recovery it "WILL NOT STICK". I know it sounds tough but its pure genius.
With pur phones that is not an option unless you know code. Trust me if i can do it so can anyone else.
It's pretty easy to brick a Nexus, just botch a radio flash
It's also simple to stop them reverting to stock recovery, just remove the install-recovery.sh file, most people do it.
Brand new Thunderbolt, I did have it rooted but just factory reset it, I no longer have root. I hold down the power button and BOTH volume arrows and get into the screen for recovery, when I go to it it gives me a black screen with a pic of a phone in the middle with a red triangle and a red exclamation mark over top the phone.
I want to root and get a new kernel but think it would not be smart to proceed until I fix this problem. Jeesh, had it less than 12 hours and broke it already haha.
So, how do I get it to let me in there so I can make a nandroid backup?
I'm pretty certain you need to be rooted to access recovery.
Well, last night when I WAS rooted I tried it and it didn't work either. Well, I will try that tonight around 5PM EST and let you know if rooting allows me in. Honestly, I factory reset the phone after I rooted it because I thought the way I rooted it messed it up. Now I am thinking that is not true.
You have to be rooted to get into recovery. Also, and I am not 100% sure about this, if you did a factory re-set and didnt re-root and then reinstall CWR then there wont be a recovery for you to access.
You're looking at the stock recovery. You need to reroot and flash CWM to be able to install custom zips.
Sent from my Thunderbolt.
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Brand new Thunderbolt, I did have it rooted but just factory reset it, I no longer have root. I hold down the power button and BOTH volume arrows and get into the screen for recovery, when I go to it it gives me a black screen with a pic of a phone in the middle with a red triangle and a red exclamation mark over top the phone.
I want to root and get a new kernel but think it would not be smart to proceed until I fix this problem. Jeesh, had it less than 12 hours and broke it already haha.
So, how do I get it to let me in there so I can make a nandroid backup?
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A factory reset shouldn't cause you to lose root. That just wipes data/cache. I would return to stock, root again and go from there. There's a thread in the development section on how to return to stock.
Did you flash CWM after rooting??? You can't do **** without that.
Ok, here is what I did, i took a factory thunderbolt and followed all the directions on this link.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo.../1233-rs-guide-how-root-your-thunderbolt.html
Then, I downloaded rom manager and busybox and was about to try and install a kernal. I wanted to make a nandroid back up and thats when I noticed this problem. I also think I lost my 3g access then too. So, I went to factory reset and then tested the root checker app and it said I had NO ROOT.
I am rather noobish so please make the directions on how to fix this simple HAHA. I am also wondering if the link above has good root instructions and how would I install a kernel on the thunderbolt? Even a link to a thunderbolt kernel thread would be sweet!! THanks!!
I will wait for someone to let me know if that link is any good before I root with it again.
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A factory reset shouldn't cause you to lose root. That just wipes data/cache. I would return to stock, root again and go from there. There's a thread in the development section on how to return to stock.
Did you flash CWM after rooting??? You can't do **** without that.
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Honestly, idk what that is.. Sry, the only other phone i rooted was my incredible through the one step Unrevoked method.
I think the directions in the link above might have missed something that a noob like me would not have picked up on. Something you guys prolly would have known right away.
Go to xda Tbolt dev section, find the root how-to thread and re-root
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
theincrediblenoob said:
Honestly, idk what that is.. Sry, the only other phone i rooted was my incredible through the one step Unrevoked method.
I think the directions in the link above might have missed something that a noob like me would not have picked up on. Something you guys prolly would have known right away.
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CMW is ClockworkMod Recovery. It's the recovery you flash in ROM Manager.
Follow this thread for rooting. There's a few other methods in the development section that have scripts so you don't have to manually push through ABD. Doing it yourself is more fail safe though and also a good learning experience.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616
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CMW is ClockworkMod Recovery. It's the recovery you flash in ROM Manager.
Follow this thread for rooting. There's a few other methods in the development section that have scripts so you don't have to manually push through ABD. Doing it yourself is more fail safe though and also a good learning experience.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616
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What about the link in my original post that I used to root? Any good?
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Then, I downloaded rom manager and busybox
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Downloading Rom Manager is NOT installing custom recovery but a way to do so.
Once RM is installed open it up & choose Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. That will install the latest recovery from which you can run backups and such.
feedhead said:
Downloading Rom Manager is NOT installing custom recovery but a way to do so.
Once RM is installed open it up & choose Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. That will install the latest recovery from which you can run backups and such.
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See, now when I did my incredible I never even downloaded rom manager. I don't even know what it really does. I thought I held up and power when turning on to get into the menu and I was able to make the nandroid backup from that menu somewhere?
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A factory reset shouldn't cause you to lose root. That just wipes data/cache. I would return to stock, root again and go from there. There's a thread in the development section on how to return to stock.
Did you flash CWM after rooting??? You can't do **** without that.
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What do you mean exactly by flashing CWM ? I just followed the instructions that the link gave me to do. If you wanna check it out i included the below
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo.../1233-rs-guide-how-root-your-thunderbolt.html
So... Just my 2 cents. You said you downloaded clockworks and busy box, but I never saw you reference super user. That should have been download number 1 after root. Without that, you're not doing anything.
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So... Just my 2 cents. You said you downloaded clockworks and busy box, but I never saw you reference super user. That should have been download number 1 after root. Without that, you're not doing anything.
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Yes, I did get that one too. I just rerooted it and now I am looking at the main screen in the rom manager again. What should I do? I do not have busy box, I have rom manager, superuser and root access. I keep hearing something about flashing clockworkrecovery next?? Like does that mean just click on the box in rom manager?
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I keep hearing something about flashing clockworkrecovery next?? Like does that mean just click on the box in rom manager?
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In ROM Manager if you select "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery", Rom Manager will do just that.
It will flash your recovery.
MePascal said:
In ROM Manager if you select "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery", Rom Manager will do just that.
It will flash your recovery.
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Ok I guess I am not fully understanding this. What does it really mean to "flash" your "recovery"?
Does this mean to make a copy of your current phone, like a nandroid backup? Or does it mean to access a copy you have already made and revert your system to that prior copy? Or am I wrong on both?
theincrediblenoob said:
Ok I guess I am not fully understanding this. What does it really mean to "flash" your "recovery"?
Does this mean to make a copy of your current phone, like a nandroid backup? Or does it mean to access a copy you have already made and revert your system to that prior copy? Or am I wrong on both?
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The answer to your first question of the first link being any good...that would be a big NO. Your phone never rooted from the start due to faulty directions posted. As far as flashing a recovery from clockworkmod that basically means when you need to get to the recovery screen this is the program that will bring you there with the understanding that you flash the recovery. NOW to do that there is an option at the top of the screen which says
" Flash ClockworkMod Recovery "
Latest Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.2.5
Once you flash it will show this:
Flash CLockworkMod Recovery
Current Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.3.5
Latest Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.2.5
TO FLASH YOU SIMPLY SELECT THIS BOX AND IT WILL BRING UP A SCREEN TO CONFIRM PHONE MODEL AND THEN WILL ASK FOR SUPERUSER PERMISSION WHICH YOU MUST GRANT ACCESS TO AT ALL TIMES.
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The answer to your first question of the first link being any good...that would be a big NO. Your phone never rooted from the start due to faulty directions posted. As far as flashing a recovery from clockworkmod that basically means when you need to get to the recovery screen this is the program that will bring you there with the understanding that you flash the recovery. NOW to do that there is an option at the top of the screen which says
" Flash ClockworkMod Recovery "
Latest Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.2.5
Once you flash it will show this:
Flash CLockworkMod Recovery
Current Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.3.5
Latest Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.2.5
TO FLASH YOU SIMPLY SELECT THIS BOX AND IT WILL BRING UP A SCREEN TO CONFIRM PHONE MODEL AND THEN WILL ASK FOR SUPERUSER PERMISSION WHICH YOU MUST GRANT ACCESS TO AT ALL TIMES.
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What is wrong with the link above?? I used it last night to root the phone and according to root checker I have root... I am not second guessing you, I am just wanting to know what is wrong with it so I can fix the wrong or add the missed steps so I dont have issues.
I just did the super one click rooting! I got rom manager from market, installed clockwork recovery from there, the clicked install rom from sd, well it reboots but i can go up and down with the volume buttons but i can't click on anything like install from sd or anything, basically i can't select anything, can someone help asap, thanks
A8000 said:
I just did the super one click rooting! I got rom manager from market, installed clockwork recovery from there, the clicked install rom from sd, well it reboots but i can go up and down with the volume buttons but i can't click on anything like install from sd or anything, basically i can't select anything, can someone help asap, thanks
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use the power button or the softkey search button to select
c19932 said:
use the power button or the softkey search button to select
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thanks, now i'm stuck in loop at Cyanogen splash screen, someone please help asap
A8000 said:
thanks, now i'm stuck in loop at Cyanogen splash screen, someone please help asap
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While I'm not sure what causes this, I have experienced it. The first thing you're going to want to do is do a true flash of Clockwork Mod Recovery; all ROM Manager did was a fake flash. Meaning you can't get to CWM with your phone the way it is now. You're going to want NVFlash, it's a tool that will let you communicate with your phone's processor itself and, once CWM is truely flashed, will let you boot into it by holding power+volume down. If you try this right now, nothing will happen.
So flash CWM with NVFlash, then boot into recovery like I told you, then restore a Nandroid backup. If you don't have one, use this stock one: Link. Then just re-install CM7 and enjoy.
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thanks, now i'm stuck in loop at Cyanogen splash screen, someone please help asap
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Are you sure it was actually a boot loop? The first boot after you install a new rom can take a couple of minutes or more.
Also before you installed the rom did you do a full wipe?
This is like the 50th time someone has posted about bootlooping after cm7 flash from cwm. Nvflash wipe n flash ppls!
Sent from my HTC Vision (G2x in disguise)
GideonX said:
This is like the 50th time someone has posted about bootlooping after cm7 flash from cwm. Nvflash wipe n flash ppls!
Sent from my HTC Vision (G2x in disguise)
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Agreed. People... you should not be flashing roms if you cannot follow directions. Theres a huge warning saying to install clockwork recovery with NVflash before installing this ROM. To the OP... follow the directions to install the latest NVflash Clockwork and you should be able to restore through recovery. I bet you didnt even make a backup before flashing.
GideonX said:
This is like the 50th time someone has posted about bootlooping after cm7 flash from cwm. Nvflash wipe n flash ppls!
Sent from my HTC Vision (G2x in disguise)
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I think part of the problem is in the instructions Cyanogen posted for installing the release candidate. He recommends using rom manager, which works just fine. But what the instructions don't say is that if you get stuck in a boot loop you won't be able to get into recover unless you used nvflash. He comments later in his post that you need to have flashed it once as a fail safe but not everyone is going to read that far.
I think there should be a warning in his instructions that unless you nvflash recovery there is no guarantee you'll be able to get into recovery if you have any issues.
hey guys a have problems with rom manager.
i was trying to do a backup rom. but rom manager gives me 2 different errors 2 different times.
first it tells me the i need to have cmw v4 and up and the other is it cant mount system so it only backup the bootlogo!!!
how can i fix this
gypsy214 said:
hey guys a have problems with rom manager.
i was trying to do a backup rom. but rom manager gives me 2 different errors 2 different times.
first it tells me the i need to have cmw v4 and up and the other is it cant mount system so it only backup the bootlogo!!!
how can i fix this
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Backup from recovery
mr mystery said:
Backup from recovery
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i did that and got the same issues.
gypsy214 said:
i did that and got the same issues.
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Did you boot into recovery from rom manager? Or by holding power + volume down to boot into the nvflashed version? Make sure you're making backups by booting into the nvflashed recovery.
I've noticed that stock GB and ROM Manager do not get along. I'm forced to boot into recovery to do anything.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Personally, I find Rom Manager to be completly useless and doesn't allow you to do anything right. Your best bet is to boot into recovery by holding power and vol down if you want something done right.
Tattooed5150 said:
Personally, I find Rom Manager to be completly useless and doesn't allow you to do anything right. Your best bet is to boot into recovery by holding power and vol down if you want something done right.
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Agreed I find rom manager totally useless too, I haven't even used it since my mytouch 4g days, no need to with the nvflash recovery, once flashed it is just about fool proof. I never. Ever had a problem. Using it, and to rename my backups I use andro zip from the market and its free, also nvflash gets updated in a timely manner.......great great tool and like I said no problems using it
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Agreed I find rom manager totally useless too, I haven't even used it since my mytouch 4g days, no need to with the nvflash recovery, once flashed it is just about fool proof. I never. Ever had a problem. Using it, and to rename my backups I use andro zip from the market and its free, also nvflash gets updated in a timely manner.......great great tool and like I said no problems using it
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ROM Manager works fine on phones where the recovery partition is accessible when the phone is booted into the Android OS. On my Nexus One it works great and flashes recovery to the recovery partition where it is supposed to go.
On the G2X, LG made the recovery partition non-accessible when the phone is booted into the Android OS. So ROM Manager cannot flash recovery directly to the recovery partition. It flashes it to regular phone memory and then tricks the phone into running it when you say reboot to recovery in ROM Manager. Because of this people call this a "fake flash" and is not as reliable as recovery flashed to the recovery partition where it should be. Therefore, it is not advisable to use ROM Manager with the G2X and just use NVFlash to flash Clockworkmod Recovery to the recovery partition where it should be.
Background:
I got myself a second-hand I9020T a couple of days back which had CWM recovery and a 4.0.4 Userdebug testkeys build on it. As circumstances turned out, I flashed the phone to the factory 4.1.2 (from https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images), but didn't note down the details of the old 4.0.4 ROM.
I rather like stock roms. However, I like stock roms with root even more.
Questions:
I wanted to know if there was any method to root my Nexus S without resorting to using ClockworkMod recovery? I'm hoping for a z4root kind of method which doesn't mess around with the boot loader.
Does such a method even exist.
I'm hoping that I don't have to mess around with the boot loader, yet get root access and all the power to do direct querying of my SMS DB.
Note: I can install CWM recovery, but I'd rather not. It's just the superficial choice I'm making, not a well informed decision.
samveen said:
Background:
I got myself a second-hand I9020T a couple of days back which had CWM recovery and a 4.0.4 Userdebug testkeys build on it. As circumstances turned out, I flashed the phone to the factory 4.1.2 (from https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images), but didn't note down the details of the old 4.0.4 ROM.
I rather like stock roms. However, I like stock roms with root even more.
Questions:
I wanted to know if there was any method to root my Nexus S without resorting to using ClockworkMod recovery? I'm hoping for a z4root kind of method which doesn't mess around with the boot loader.
Does such a method even exist.
I'm hoping that I don't have to mess around with the boot loader, yet get root access and all the power to do direct querying of my SMS DB.
Note: I can install CWM recovery, but I'd rather not. It's just the superficial choice I'm making, not a well informed decision.
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You don't have to mess with the bootloader itself, just the recovery.
And no, you will need a custom recovery to flash chainsDD superuser or chainfire SuperSU. There's TWRP also available and popular, if you simply do not like CWM.
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You don't have to mess with the bootloader itself, just the recovery.
And no, you will need a custom recovery to flash chainsDD superuser or chainfire SuperSU. There's TWRP also available and popular, if you simply do not like CWM.
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Is is possible to install the SU update (whichever of the 2) and go back to the stock recovery?
samveen said:
Is is possible to install the SU update (whichever of the 2) and go back to the stock recovery?
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Yes. I don't see why would one want to do that, but that's possible.
Once you're done with your flashing, you can flash stock Jellybean recovery from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032337