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I've seen a few hit or miss issues that have been coming to light since the release of the TF700 infinity. On some devices, it seems to work and on others, not as well or not at all. From this, it seemed quite necessary to have a thread to identify the issues that others may encounter and for what they should check to know if they have a "good device" or whether it should be returned. Please let me know if their are any items that should be related to this list. If you wish to discuss your tablet's attributes (both good and bad) further, Pretoriano80 has made such a thread: [Infinity issues/defects/good features] Share your issues, defects or best features
Make sure you charge your tablet before using! Explanation in point 3.
Also, do not update past 9.4.5.26 during these tests if you want to use NVFlash!
1- Does your device have good build quality?
Some people have found that there are scratches on the device, frame's bent, the display is poorly set, the ports may be improperly mounted or other such things. It is recommended that if you encounter any of these that you return the device to get another one since you paid a lot of money for a "good" device. The tablet might click at corners, some of the backlight might bleed through around the edges of the display, or maybe show a slight but often not serious protrusion of the screen from the device. It's up to you to judge whether the extremity of this occurrence on your device are serious enough to warrant a return depending on your definition of "quality".
A possible test for "light bleed" is to take a picture from the camera in either a dark room or the camera lens covered (objective is to take a "black" photo). Open the image in the gallery app and turn up the brightness on the device. In this fashion you should be able to notice any "severe" cases of light bleed like this. If the light bleed is little and only noticeable during startup, then it's probably nothing to worry about.
2- Does your device have haptic feedback? (Does it vibrate properly?)
When you turn on and off your device, it should vibrate. This vibration will be subtle like the feeling of a working electrical appliance and not like a console joystick. If it doesn't, then it probably is defective. There are various methods to getting some type of jiggle out of the tablet if you want a more extensive test. One example is to add such feedback to your on-screen keyboard via Settings -> Language & Input. I'll just go over the basic "Android Keyboard". Select the sliders button next to the keyboard, look for "vibrate on keypress", put a little check next to that, then go into "advanced settings". By default, these vibrations are set to 1ms which is a duration too short to provide any feedback. Adjust the "Keypress vibration duration settings" to something like 100ms in order to ensure that the buzz happens. Finally, verify that your default keyboard is set to the "Android Keyboard" and then open up something like SuperNote where you can type. You should have some buzzing upon every keypress. When done with this test, just go back into the keyboard settings and disable the "vibrate on keypress".
3- Is your battery life ~9 hours in power-saving mode or ~6 hours in balanced mode?
Some people have noticed that they either never reach this amount or never come close to it. This is kind of an expected behavior since on the first page of the instructions manual (you did read the manual, right?) it mentions this:
"Fully charge the battery up to eight hours for the first-time use. The battery reaches its maximum capacity after one full charging and discharging cycle." Therefore, one is supposed to charge the battery for up to an 8 hour period prior to use and then discharge the battery (until ~10% or so). You may encounter a variant of this concerning "a few cycles" but still, right after tearing the plastic off the box like a rapid child at Christmas, ensure that you just plug it in and forget about it for 8 hours (or until the charging light turns off). Otherwise, it can have a lasting negative impact on battery life.
More information about Li-ion can be found here.
4- Does the GPS work?
The TF700 shares a few things with the TF201 Prime (which had notoriously bad wireless, including Wifi communication, Bluetooth, and GPS). Some owners of the Prime didn't remember to check GPS even when everything else worked and later needed to get a Dongle. Ergo, why I put it here high on the list. I believe many of the issues dealing with hardware and software have been addressed by ASUS so if your GPS doesn't work, try updating (not past 9.4.5.26!) the device or send it back since it might be hardware related. Make sure that when testing, you have the "find location via wifi" option turned off if using Maps. Otherwise, test with a tool from Google Play Store like GPS Status or GPS Test. Note: testing may involve going outside and dancing with the device as the first connection is often the most difficult to get.
When GPS is working, you should see a little circle with a blinking dot inside in the lower right-hand corner. Sometimes, the dot might not blink and can seem to influence how well GPS programs work. Its a strange thing but with a simple solution (from myself encountering it on both the TF300 and the TF700): just open the notifications bar and close it again. The dot should be blinking. If not, try actually turning off and then turning back on the GPS via the notifications bar.
5- Does mini-HDMI work?
Though not necessarily a tendency of faults in the infinity, it is important to check all the offered functionality of the device prior to making it a permanent fixture in your life. Remember that if you don't have a friend with a mini-HDMI cable, Walmart (and many other stores) will accept returns provided they are within a particular time period. Feel free to use this return policy to test your device.
6- Can you watch video/youtube/netflix/etc while using a bluetooth headset?
Some people have noticed that there is a huge decrease in speed when watching a video while using a bluetooth headset for audio. The cause of this is unknown and the only explanation we know of is "because wifi and bluetooth share the same antenna". This seems plausible except that many other devices also use the same antenna for both functionalities yet do not display this behavior. Due to the underlying fact we do not know whether it is software or hardware related, it is advisable to return the product.
7- Does the headphone jack work?
Just for thoroughness and ease-of-testing, plug in a set of ear buds and make sure you hear sound. Some have complained that the quality is mediocre due to a humming noise but that the noise is negligible. If the noise is too pronounced, there still is the mounted speaker and if point 6's test was successful, bluetooth is still an option.
8- Does your device feel quick to respond? If not, are you on firmware version .26?
It has been widely noted that version .26 of the firmware made the tablet very snappy. This also helped the device to recognize more microSD cards but also caused problems with NTFS-formatted drives. If you aren't getting the response you want, try upgrading to .26 (not beyond that). Additionally, if your microSD card is NTFS, you may want to reformat it (backup whatever you want to keep first) to FAT32 or exFAT until the issues with NTFS are ironed out. This point also concerns point 9 further down.
9- Can you receive OTA updates? (This should be fixed since Aug 7)
Provided that you are on version .21 or .22, you should be able to receive updates from ASUS for your device via the "About Tablet" option in settings. If you cannot, this might be indicative of another issue which has yet to be identified. You can apply updates without OTA via these methods:
(easiest way)[HOW TO]Tired to wait the .26 with WW TF700 device?
(another way)*** Firmware News & Alternative Install Methods*** Ver. 9.4.5.26 27/07
(requires root)[HOWTO] Manually updating firmware using "dlpkgfile" download via Asus FOTA server
(requires unlocked bootloader)[HowTo] Restore Stock Recovery and Install .26 OTA Manually with Unlocked Bootloader
(requires unlocked bootloader and TWRP custom recovery)[CWM] Repackaged OTA update 9.4.5.26 US/WW versions
Make sure you do not update past 9.4.5.26 if you want to use NVFlash!
10- (Only if this is important to you and then only if you are willing to forego any ASUS warranty) Can you unlock the bootloader? (This should be fixed since Aug 7)
Bonus Warning: ASUS has noted that using their bootloader unlocker will void your warranty and all OTA updates for your device will cease. However, without this unlocking, you will not be able to run custom ROMs nor will you be able to use NVFlash to make your device brick-proof.
[Device is unlocked][Video Added] Bootloader Unlock Tool Released [25.7.2012]
If you are still within your store's "grace period", you may want to try this out to verify if your device will ever be able to run non-ASUS android systems. There's no way of knowing at this moment if the bootloader unlocker will work on your device without actually trying to unlock it. If it does not work, it might be due to their service being unavailable, your serial number might not yet be in their database of devices for the unlock to succeed, your device serial number internally might not match your external serial number (on the sticker), or the problem might be something else entirely. Many of those whose bootloader would not unlock did not receive OTAs either so this shares the "issue which has yet to be identified" from point 9.
If you can give your tab a :good: to all of these points, then you have a good device! Congratulations! :highfive:
Maybe check out these threads next:
[INDEX]-[Updated -25 July 2012]-ASUS INFINITY TF700 - INDEX THREAD-DEVELOPMENT-PART#1
[RESOURCES] How to Root, Unlock, ROMs, Recovery, Tips & more [VIDEO TUTORIALS]
1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.didn't try that yet
5.yes
6.yes
7.I don't care
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Yep, mines a keeper.
Build quality is acceptable .. (I own an ipad also) ...I'm going to say 80% the build quality of the ipad. It does OTA and manual updates just fine. Headphone jack works. Has slight click if you press the screen by the speaker ...but only noticable because I read here that it clicks if you press by the speaker . Speed, temps, light bleed, battery life ....all as expected ...not perfect but perfectly acceptable. I am enjoying the tablet, and have no major complaints. I can only assume it will get better with JB when it comes out.
The ipad is more polished, faster, easier to use ....but not by a huge margin. And I make allowance for the immaturity of android tablets and the OS compared to ipad and iOS. I think the trade off is worth it for the additional control... and eventual rooting of the device.
Price ....hmmmm... perhaps a bit high compared to the ipad.... about $75 less would have been nice ....but it's basically a toy for me so I can't complain too much. And part of the whole thing is I wanted a tablet....and I wanted to support the Android market so it would stand a better chance at competing with the ipad... because honestly I think Andriod is the future of tablets ...not iOS.
I'd say the single disappointment is ....I bought the tablet to watch motorcycle racing videos from MotoGP.com, which I pay about $120 US a year to be a member ..... guess what...the tablet will not play the archived videos from this site ....it will stream live video fine, it will play all other "current" content fine...but will not play the archived videos ...... my iPad plays them just fine. I'm in contact with MotoGP.com trying to solve the problem ...but it's not a new problem ....its across the Asus tablet line.
Still.... I enjoy the TF700T, and think it's a good product ....although perhaps should be offered at a bit more of a discount compared to the iPad ....for now.
I have no regrets.
JohnnyB
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1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.didn't try that yet
5.yes
6.yes
7.I don't care
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Just want to mention these numbers are apt to change due to new things becoming evident as community use increases.
dataway said:
I'd say the single disappointment is ....I bought the tablet to watch motorcycle racing videos from MotoGP.com, which I pay about $120 US a year to be a member ..... guess what...the tablet will not play the archived videos from this site ....it will stream live video fine, it will play all other "current" content fine...but will not play the archived videos ...... my iPad plays them just fine. I'm in contact with MotoGP.com trying to solve the problem ...but it's not a new problem ....its across the Asus tablet line.
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This thread is really just supposed to be a developing checklist for people to verify their tablets since it seems that not all problems are experienced by all users and some problems are more extreme than others. That being noted, how did you try to access said videos? Is there a specific program or application you are required to use? Did you try other such programs from the Play store? Since you are paying for your access, I doubt it would be something that a non-member would be able to assist much.
Yes it is a keeper
Plays HD content flawlessly
The GPS is sooper dup on the road
The WIFI sensitivity is exceptional
Can be viewed outside easily
I really like the hotspot tethering performance also
Pretty much a sweet package
I use it a lot around the house to help me with DIY project info...
1- Does your device have good build quality?
10/10, clicks a a little but IDGTF.
2- Does the GPS work?
Yes.jfif
3- Does mini-HDMI work?
Never tested, never will.
4- Can you watch video/youtube/netflix/etc while using a bluetooth headset?
>2012
>bluetooth headphones
ISHYGDDT
5- Does the headphone jack work?
Yes, makes beeping rarely when I start videos.
6- Does your device feel quick to respond? If not, are you on firmware version .26?
Yes, like butter. I still want jelly Bean though.
7- Is your battery life ~9 hours in power-saving mode or ~6 hours in balanced mode?
6 hours in balanced, yes. Never go to power saving because lag.
8- Can you receive OTA updates?
No, bootloader unlocked.
9- (Only if this is important to you and then only if you are willing to forego any ASUS warranty) Can you unlock the bootloader?
Already did
The only issue I've really had with my device after upgrading to .26 is occasional lock-ups. One lock-up concerned me enough to feel a need to return the device. The screen filled with vertical (if holding landscape) white bars. Has anyone else experienced such issues?
I haven't tested the HDMI yet. And other then the inability to OTA or unlock everything is working perfectly on the latest build
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funtapaz said:
The only issue I've really had with my device after upgrading to .26 is occasional lock-ups. One lock-up concerned me enough to feel a need to return the device. The screen filled with vertical (if holding landscape) white bars. Has anyone else experienced such issues?
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My friend found one at Best Buy here in NJ. I told him to return it (not exchange) because of the amount of light bleed alone. He was not able to update it, and it just kept crashing on him which made it almost impossible to use. He's going to try hard reset it again to see if any of that helps.
1- Does your device have good build quality?
Mine is perfect.
2- Does the GPS work?
GPS so far works great without using the AGPS to assist.
3- Does mini-HDMI work?
Have a cable from my Prime, both worked flawlessly as does my Bionic.
4- Can you watch video/youtube/netflix/etc while using a bluetooth headset?
Funny thing it does drop from about 20 Mbps to about 3Mbps down, but that won't change no matter how far from the router. The upload is 4Mbps on both no matter how far from the router. It's not the dual antenna that's the problem, it's that they both use one controller chip for the two.
5- Does the headphone jack work?
No problems on mine.
6- Does your device feel quick to respond? If not, are you on firmware version .26?
Was definitely laggy on .21, on .26 MUCH better especially in performance mode. I'm excited for JB.
7- Is your battery life ~9 hours in power-saving mode or ~6 hours in balanced mode?
I charged about 4 hrs till green/fully charged. Funny thing is you can't overcharge these new batteries now and days. They are set to auto stop charging once full (that's the benefit of them now) So I have never "overcharged" because it's not possible. That being said I did a full charge, and am working on the first full depletion to recharge. I'm at 62% and that's 3 days later lol. I have been using it light/moderate the past few days. At least 3.5 hrs of Netflix streaming, setting it up, and not turning it off overnight. We'll see but so far so good and Ifinitely (like that ) better than my Prime.
8- Can you receive OTA updates?
Not OTA, manual worked just fine
Good list, thanks. Mine has passed all of these so far but the headphone test. I forgot that one. I guess I'll give it a shot tonight.
" "Fully charge the battery up to eight hours for the first-time use. The battery reaches its maximum capacity after one full charging and discharging cycle.""
It says" upto 8 hours" It doesn't mean you NEED the full 8 hours. Once you go green and are 100% fully charged, the charger shuts down on its own so not to overheat the battery. The "upto 8 hours" is for folks charging their device via USB on their PC - - which can take up to 8 hours to getting that full charge.
I just got mine yesterday, and while I haven't had time to test either HDMI or full battery cycle (though it's doing pretty well so far) all else is wonderful. Great screen, OTA update to build 26, great wifi and gps, headphones work fine. Sound out of headphones and BT headset is actually great. I do have a millisecond lag with BT audio and watching streaming video, but I could actually live with it, it's not that bad.
This one is definitely a keeper.
I have a quick question while I'm checking my tablet, which arrived yesterday... my screen is uniform across the edge, no creaking or inconsistencies, but the entire surface is raised, or at least isn't flush like my previous Prime. Is that normal? Anyone have a completely flushed screen on their 700? Thanks.
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androidxen said:
I have a quick question while I'm checking my tablet, which arrived yesterday... my screen is uniform across the edge, no creaking or inconsistencies, but the entire surface is raised, or at least isn't flush like my previous Prime. Is that normal? Anyone have a completely flushed screen on their 700? Thanks.
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My Gorilla glass has about a quarter inch beveled edge going all the way around
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My Gorilla glass has about a quarter inch beveled edge going all the way around
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So I guess the screen is higher due to the hardware improvements from the Prime. Good to know, just wanted to be cautious.
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My Gorilla glass has about a quarter inch beveled edge going all the way around
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Same here - more like 1/16th inch, maybe?
Mine looks perfect, but if I press a bit harder on the screen (you won't do this with normal usage) I get a hissing noice which sound like air is escaping from between the screen. At that moment I can see deformations on the screen. I have read other people do have the same issue, but wondering if this is normal (so all TF700 have it?) or if I should exchange. Any advice?
I have one really big scratch on the dockingstation. Going back to the store tomorrow to get another one.
Added xRevilatioNx's and neo1738's clarification regarding initial battery charge and the green charging light turning off.
Yeah, I agree with you that the new batteries can't be overcharged in the literal sense. It was merely to emphasize the fact that a "full charge" is necessary to receive optimum life out of the device's battery. We don't really know what type of charge existed on the device prior to our receipt, so it's best (or in a worse case scenario) just to charge it for the 8 hours regardless of the status of the light. Does it make a difference if it's 8 hours or until the green light turns off? Probably not. But for the Android neophytes just getting their hands on a tablet for the 1st or 2nd time, I think that my explanation is still applicable and satisfactory to provide a perspective easy to understand and beneficial to the consumer. Thanks for the detailed clarification though.
Received my champagne gold today and doesn't seem to be any issues at all. No light bleed, WiFi and bluetooth are perfect, and no I/O issues (updated as soon as I turned on the device). Seeing as the champagne golds seem to have come latter in the production cycle, it seems they are improving their processes slowly but surely.
It's as simple as that. I've been using my Nexus 4 smartphone ever since I received it on Feb. 1, and since then I have not turned on or even considered using my TF700T. Although this is just a minor annoyance, it's quite a hassle taking it out of my backpack on campus, waiting for it to boot up, and connect it to slow wifi, while I can just do whatever I want to do on my phone twice as fast and without any I/O lag. The only real thing I can do on the tablet that I can't on a phone is type up notes.
I really love this tablet and CleanROM has made my experience much better, but I always find myself going to the phone for everything I need. That being said, does anyone one here have any tablet-specific tasks I can perform on a tablet but not on a phone?
I have phases like this. New device love syndrome :cyclops: Bought a nexus 7 and didn't use the infinity for 2 weeks. Now I never use the nexus 7. Think I'll sell it. Screen estate is just a bit too small.
Bought a Microsoft surface rt. Only use it for work related tasks. It's a great idea but a terrible mobile device.
Phone screens are too small for sustained web browsing and productivity tasks IMO.
I always come back to the infinity. Great device. I'm sure you will fall in love with it again. Once the honeymoon is over.
rikkoko said:
It's as simple as that. I've been using my Nexus 4 smartphone ever since I received it on Feb. 1, and since then I have not turned on or even considered using my TF700T. Although this is just a minor annoyance, it's quite a hassle taking it out of my backpack on campus, waiting for it to boot up, and connect it to slow wifi, while I can just do whatever I want to do on my phone twice as fast and without any I/O lag. The only real thing I can do on the tablet that I can't on a phone is type up notes.
I really love this tablet and CleanROM has made my experience much better, but I always find myself going to the phone for everything I need. That being said, does anyone one here have any tablet-specific tasks I can perform on a tablet but not on a phone?
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I'm having quite the reverse: my SGS2 never went more than 24h without needing a charge, now it sits there for 5 days. I text with wit, I tether its data connection by Bluetooth to the 700, I check my train schedule if I run into changed platforms and such. The rest: Infinity.
I might replace it with another fullHD tablet, non-ASUS, but I have to do a bit more research as to what my options are. I will not sell this one, however, as I have several optees within my family.
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I tether its data connection by Bluetooth to the 700
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Whenever I try that, my TF700 reboots immediately. Do you use any special trick, or is it just my old Motorola Defy that my TF700 doesn't like?
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Whenever I try that, my TF700 reboots immediately. Do you use any special trick, or is it just my old Motorola Defy that my TF700 doesn't like?
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Oh, it's definitely picky! Sometimes neither device will connect to the other (although both are set to being visible to any device), and sometimes even rebooting doesn't fix it. It stays a bit hit or miss, but you could give Open Garden a whirl (NB: it sets up an unencrypted VPN, so you do not want to send over anything sensitive, like banking data or the like, when you are, say, aboard a train or bus, but in the safety of my rather quite neighborhood, I used it several times when the normal Bluetooth tethering crapped out on me again ). Funny thing is, if anything, your Defy should reboot and not the 700. Which ROM are you on?
I pair both devices beforehand, then go to the Wireless hotspot option in the Settings, and CleanROM provides the option to do bluetooth internet sharing. I think I'm far too stupid to think of tricks on how to do this when that does not work.
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Funny thing is, if anything, your Defy should reboot and not the 700. Which ROM are you on?
I pair both devices beforehand, then go to the Wireless hotspot option in the Settings, and CleanROM provides the option to do bluetooth internet sharing.
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Defy: stock Android 2.1 (I don't want to mod my only phone)
TF700: CROMI 3.2
Devices are paired, "Internet tethering (via USB and BT)" is enabled on the phone.
When I connect the TF700 to the phone's "internet access" service, it says "connecting...", and after a few seconds I see the boot animation and Android restarts. Interestingly, not a kernel-level restart, I didn't see the bootloader logo. I remember reading about other reports of the same problem somewhere.
My workaround is to use WiFi tethering, which works fine. It just eats a lot of battery on the phone, but it's good enough for me.
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Defy: stock Android 2.1 (I don't want to mod my only phone)
TF700: CROMI 3.2
Devices are paired, "Internet tethering (via USB and BT)" is enabled on the phone.
When I connect the TF700 to the phone's "internet access" service, it says "connecting...", and after a few seconds I see the boot animation and Android restarts. Interestingly, not a kernel-level restart, I didn't see the bootloader logo. I remember reading about other reports of the same problem somewhere.
My workaround is to use WiFi tethering, which works fine. It just eats a lot of battery on the phone, but it's good enough for me.
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Mmmh... Never had that happen to me. WiFi tethering is my go-to as well when Bluetooth craps out.
sbdags said:
I have phases like this. New device love syndrome :cyclops: Bought a nexus 7 and didn't use the infinity for 2 weeks. Now I never use the nexus 7. Think I'll sell it. Screen estate is just a bit too small.
Bought a Microsoft surface rt. Only use it for work related tasks. It's a great idea but a terrible mobile device.
Phone screens are too small for sustained web browsing and productivity tasks IMO.
I always come back to the infinity. Great device. I'm sure you will fall in love with it again. Once the honeymoon is over.
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Hahaha I'm actually hoping that I'm going through a "honeymoon phase" too, I'm going to give it one more week to think it over! I do prefer the infinity for productivity, but what I mostly do is read over PDFs. I'm actually thinking of downgrading to a Nexus 7 for that :\
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I'm having quite the reverse: my SGS2 never went more than 24h without needing a charge, now it sits there for 5 days. I text with wit, I tether its data connection by Bluetooth to the 700, I check my train schedule if I run into changed platforms and such. The rest: Infinity.
I might replace it with another fullHD tablet, non-ASUS, but I have to do a bit more research as to what my options are. I will not sell this one, however, as I have several optees within my family.
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Ahh I see. I actually have the need to charge mine by the end of the day, but 'tis not a big deal because I'm home anyways. I do not yet have an unlimited data plan, but I plan to tether to a tablet once I do and hopefully that'll increase my tablet usage. Does tethering drain the phone's battery even more?
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Ahh I see. I actually have the need to charge mine by the end of the day, but 'tis not a big deal because I'm home anyways. I do not yet have an unlimited data plan, but I plan to tether to a tablet once I do and hopefully that'll increase my tablet usage. Does tethering drain the phone's battery even more?
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Tethering over Bluetooth for about 2 hours during my train commute to work drains the battery for an extra 3 to 12%, obviously depending on what you're doing with the data connection. I never download immensely large files over my data connection, butjudging from the battery consumption, I guess I could leave it tethered for about three days running time in total.
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Defy: stock Android 2.1 (I don't want to mod my only phone)
TF700: CROMI 3.2
Devices are paired, "Internet tethering (via USB and BT)" is enabled on the phone.
When I connect the TF700 to the phone's "internet access" service, it says "connecting...", and after a few seconds I see the boot animation and Android restarts. Interestingly, not a kernel-level restart, I didn't see the bootloader logo. I remember reading about other reports of the same problem somewhere.
My workaround is to use WiFi tethering, which works fine. It just eats a lot of battery on the phone, but it's good enough for me.
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I am using PDaNet on both my Droid 4 (rooted, stock rom) and the TF700, now on CROMI 3.3 and I can tether the tablet through Bluetooth no problem. VPN is encrypted
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Hi,
As I wrote, I'm looking someone who can compare Huawei Mate 8 3GB (NXT-L29 or NXT-L09) versions with 4GB (NXT-AL10) version. I know that main differences are in network coverage, second is memory (RAM & Internal) and third are colours but I'm very curious is any differences in real life, for example in battery life between those versions an so on?
I'm not looking for speculations, I'm looking someone who had both and can compare them in some way.
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Hope someone can really answer.
You aren't going to see any difference between the two.
Sure? I'm using Habit browser with sometimes 15-20 tabs I've opened and simultaneously Opera with 10 tabs. I own Nexus 6 (3GB) now and some of those tabs are reloaded when I'm trying to watch it. I assumed 4GB will help, I'm wrong?
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Sure? I'm using Habit browser with sometimes 15-20 tabs I've opened and simultaneously Opera with 10 tabs. I own Nexus 6 (3GB) now and some of those tabs are reloaded when I'm trying to watch it. I assumed 4GB will help, I'm wrong?
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I would not say that is a given. Even with 4GB apps are being closed way "too early" imho. Let's say there still is 800MB memory free, this does not guarantee at all that all background apps remain active. Even when all necessary things (keep on running with screen off, etc.) are being done apps will close, with overly sufficient memory still left.
I also expected to be able to fill up the memory with a large number of apps without them being closed. While you cán load a lot of things at once, it would surprise me that the 4GB model can indeed handle 1GB "more". Pretty sure it simply can't / won't.
I keep a 1gb of free ram with 32gb model.
Huawei memory management is very aggressive. They either kill everything when screen is off or you keep it running and random battery drains.
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I keep it all running and battery life is simply amazing :good:
usually happens after warranty expires or a new device comes out ?
i noticed it on my last 3 samsung galaxy phones.
havent had any other brand or series phones so i cant speak for them
so after about a year and a half my phone.s performance has been slowly decreasing despite my best efforts to keep it clean and organized and doing all the tricks to make it faster.
at the moment it is almost unusable . phone is now a little over 2 years old and is constantly freezing.
I have never dropped it and it was in the case since day one.
I keep same apps on it for 2 years and always to cache cleans and uninstall unused apps
also keep the internal memory under 50% yet none of that seems to help
it just keeps slowing down for some reason
anyone can explain what is goin on?
my laptop doesn't seem to lose any speed with age
fuzzysig said:
so after about a year and a half my phone.s performance has been slowly decreasing despite my best efforts to keep it clean and organized and doing all the tricks to make it faster.
at the moment it is almost unusable . phone is now a little over 2 years old and is constantly freezing.
I have never dropped it and it was in the case since day one.
I keep same apps on it for 2 years and always to cache cleans and uninstall unused apps
also keep the internal memory under 50% yet none of that seems to help
it just keeps slowing down for some reason
anyone can explain what is goin on?
my laptop doesn't seem to lose any speed with age
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Phones use solid state storage, solid state storage decreases efficiency over time, they just break down the more that you install/uninstall/write/delete stuff to/from storage. With the way phones work, it is constantly reading/writing/dumping stuff to/from the cache partition(which is where everything that is loaded runs from and stores live data), this constant activity breaks down the efficiency of the cache partition, which cause lag during usage because it can't read to/from cache as efficiently as when it was new.
Also, as phones advance in hardware capability, certain apps(especially Google Play Services) are updated to the point that they require more from the hardware, older hardware can't run it/them as efficiently. Also, some older phones can't install some of the newer/more updated versions of apps, this leaves them using older versions which somewhere along the line are no longer supported, causing performance issues, especially a reduction in battery life and RAM speeds.
Laptops and PC are effected the same way, some older hardware can't install the newer versions of operating systems, or they can install the OS but certain parts of the software might have issues with certain pieces of older hardware and drivers, it just takes way longer with PC than it does with phones. Usually, the older systems are way past their prime before becomes an issue because users get new systems before they get that old, so they never see the performance issues that older hardware has with newer software.
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Is there any noticable power consumption difference between using 4G vs 5G?
Oh yes, nothing's for free.
Depends somewhat on usage.
goldenr said:
Is there any noticable power consumption difference between using 4G vs 5G?
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5G takes more power as it has weak signal and constantly switching between 4G\5G. If your cell tower nearby you good to stay on 5G all the time.
5G for me is just marketing things to sell updated smartphones, 112mbps on 4G LTE is more that enough for everything
That makes sense. Central London is good but where i live there is no 5G. I believe it is at least once in a while trying to look for 5G. And worse if the signal is weak and it keeps switching between 4g and 5g.
I heard that the 5g for s22 is optimised as in its a bit slower but uses less power than previous gen
goldenr said:
That makes sense. Central London is good but where i live there is no 5G. I believe it is at least once in a while trying to look for 5G. And worse if the signal is weak and it keeps switching between 4g and 5g.
I heard that the 5g for s22 is optimised as in its a bit slower but uses less power than previous gen
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The newer flagships are a mess. No SD card slot, spen on left side, but it's not just these obvious blunders.
Variable refresh rate displays consume more power and have looser color calibration than fixed rate. Failure rates are high and more issues.
Android 11 and especially 12 are fubar. CPU cycle sucking scoped storage degrades performance, battery life and user/app functionality. It sucks, literally.
The limited storage means just like Apple even if can find the pricey 500gb, that's it. Peasants are only allotted a certain amount of real storage, go eat cloud. Some shipping out at 128gb are sick jokes. One SD card slot and a $75 V30 512gb Sandisk extreme card use to able fix that.
No power user flagships because peasants can't be power users.
108mp cam hype crap instead of solid tangible cam improvements. Let make it thicker and heavier too. This the same company that made to N10+? How did they learn to fail so quickly? Idiots.
Because of these reasons, and the fact that the Note 10+ is a snappy fast phone that's fun to use, I blew off 3 generations of new flagship phones.
Bought a second new 4G Note 10+ about 5 months ago running on Android 10. The one in my hand is running on Pie. Current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. One battery replacement, display is perfect... it runs, looks and feels like the new one even after heavy usage for 2.5 years.
Usability and functionality are more important than new hardware, technology and firmware. Especially when the newer versions/technologies are poorly implemented or still need more improvement.
Bottom line; forget the endless sales hype and buy what suits your needs best.
Go into the stores and test out the display models
galaxys said:
Go into the stores and test out the display models
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No
Got 2 good runnin' N10+s, a cheap grandfathered unlimited data 4G plan and I just don't care.
Next upgrade is a 1tb V30 SD card.
blackhawk said:
No
Got 2 good runnin' N10+s, a cheap grandfathered unlimited data 4G plan and I just don't care.
Next upgrade is a 1tb V30 SD card.
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We all know you think your Note 10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's all we ever hear from you. Enjoy 2019, most of us have moved on.
I have found no difference in battery behavior between 4g and 5g in my dual sim device. I only get 4g on one and get 5g on the other. Same (poor) battery life. For me anyway.
True. I'd rather have more slower but more efficient CPU and GPU if it means longer lasting battery. In fact SD gen 1 and Exynos 2200 are less efficient than 2-3 gen old CPUs, which doesn't not make sense to me.
To be fair Samsung has done a good job with thermal management. I like the fact that phone never gets that hot.
hand-filer said:
We all know you think your Note 10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's all we ever hear from you. Enjoy 2019, most of us have moved on.
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He definitely LOVES his N10+ It's starting to get annoying how much hate can one provide without even owning the device
blackhawk said:
The newer flagships are a mess. No SD card slot, spen on left side, but it's not just these obvious blunders.
Variable refresh rate displays consume more power and have looser color calibration than fixed rate. Failure rates are high and more issues.
Android 11 and especially 12 are fubar. CPU cycle sucking scoped storage degrades performance, battery life and user/app functionality. It sucks, literally.
The limited storage means just like Apple even if can find the pricey 500gb, that's it. Peasants are only allotted a certain amount of real storage, go eat cloud. Some shipping out at 128gb are sick jokes. One SD card slot and a $75 V30 512gb Sandisk extreme card use to able fix that.
No power user flagships because peasants can't be power users.
108mp cam hype crap instead of solid tangible cam improvements. Let make it thicker and heavier too. This the same company that made to N10+? How did they learn to fail so quickly? Idiots.
Because of these reasons, and the fact that the Note 10+ is a snappy fast phone that's fun to use, I blew off 3 generations of new flagship phones.
Bought a second new 4G Note 10+ about 5 months ago running on Android 10. The one in my hand is running on Pie. Current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. One battery replacement, display is perfect... it runs, looks and feels like the new one even after heavy usage for 2.5 years.
Usability and functionality are more important than new hardware, technology and firmware. Especially when the newer versions/technologies are poorly implemented or still need more improvement.
Bottom line; forget the endless sales hype and buy what suits your needs best.
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i am also having trouble connecting to Smartswitch on PC to create a backup
joancolmenares said:
He definitely LOVES his N10+ It's starting to get annoying how much hate can one provide without even owning the device
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Do what I do and hit the ignore button. Like this... bye
chillsen said:
i am also having trouble connecting to Smartswitch on PC to create a backup
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Never count on SmartSwitch for critical data backup. It may or may not work.
Hand copy/paste, then verify copied files are complete and readable.
Use at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC to redundantly backup all critical data.
blackhawk said:
Never count on SmartSwitch for critical data backup. It may or may not work.
Hand copy/paste, then verify copied files are complete and readable.
Use at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC to redundantly backup all critical data.
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Are you saying literally just manually select all and copy onto desktop? If I were to factory reset my phone, if i simply move all the files back to my phone from PC it will "restore" it perfectly?
Everytime I sit the setting to be only 4g , something changes it back to 5g
chillsen said:
Are you saying literally just manually select all and copy onto desktop? If I were to factory reset my phone, if i simply move all the files back to my phone from PC it will "restore" it perfectly?
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I always set up dual drive PCs including the phone if I have an SD card.
In that case I more or less just copy the SD card folder by folder. You may want to a sync folder for large folders like music and photos.
For a single drive backup is similar. Break out/tag folders that need to be backed up.
Keep these well organized.
Vet files before transferring them to the above folders from the Download folder. The Download folder does not get saved; files are either vetted and transferred to their appropriate folder or discarded. The Download folder is a safeguard to help isolate infected files from the database.
You need to work out a system of folder organization for your data. Best if the folders and data on the phone correspond to the ones in use on the PC. You need to put some thought into it
Back up any apps that allow data backup like Poweramp, contacts, bookmarks, etc. These must be backed up on SD card (if present) and the backup hdds, etc or they will be lost with a crash. Make sure all passwords are somehow backed up.