Does anyone know if the HTC Scribe technology available in the soon-to-be-released HTC Flyer has any hardware dependencies that would preclude it from being... um... "adapted" for the use of other tablets? It appears that there is a software interface and the special pen. I think that is the lot, but I am not certain. If the HTC Scribe technology could be shoehorned into an Asus Transformer ROM we'd have a mighty fine tablet. The form-factor of the Transformer might cause an issue with pen input (the screen is fairly large), but it would be worth a try.
Just dreaming.
the scribe tech actually has a glass(technically not glass but that's what i wrote so eh) overlay on top of the capacitive overlay on the flyer. so unfortunately as much as i would love to have scribe tech we're up the creek without a paddle in this case.
timothydoanpham said:
the scribe tech actually has a glass(technically not glass but that's what i wrote so eh) overlay on top of the capacitive overlay on the flyer. so unfortunately as much as i would love to have scribe tech we're up the creek without a paddle in this case.
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we could try really hard and MAYBE get a rom based off htc's honeycomb release, but the scribing would suck (finger only) and the rom would be buggy, semi-functional, and the wrong resolution.
Good idea though, but the asus' lack of hardware to support writing on the screen and the scariness of porting the rom are unsurpassable.
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As an engineer, I usually take notes by hand and make small drawings in Notes app using the stylus in my Pro2.
Will Notes work on HD2 without stylus or will it be possible using the finger? Even to write small letters by hand as I can using stylus?
Thanks
I don't think you can do it.
You'll need to find a stylus that works on capacitive screens... It may also be less precise, so you may not be able to take decent notes.
I just tried. The notes app is present, but has not been made finger-friendly. Even selecting a note sometimes result in selecting two...
Making drawings isn't handy as well, as you can't use your fingernails, nor a stylus. The capacitive styluses on the market are not good for taking notes. We'll have to wait until HTC produces their capacitive styluses they recently patented (which do have a small tip).
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Thanks for the answer.
You were the only that anderstood my question.
Your test demonstrate that may be, it's not a good decision to buy HD2 for those that need, in their work, to take notes or make sketckes by hand.
Well, you can buy a mini stylus and take it with the HD2 in your keyring or similar.
It is my option, as I want notes like on my blackstone but on the HD2
I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
madindehead said:
I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Ah ok. That's a shame. I was thinking about testing a conventional stylus, but coated in silver conductive paint.
A capacitive stylus must be conductive for it to work, so this may be a good idea ^^
Stylus for HD2
It surely can't just be a matter of the stylus being conductive... otherwise anyone could make one in minutes - eg a metal knitting needle - and the likes of HTC wouldn't need to file patents. I guess the issue is that the capacitive effect must be spread over a wide area of the screen to induce the current beneath...
Maybe some bright engineer could expand...?
maybe get an Acer s200 neoTouch instead.
just 3,8" but also WVGA, 1GHz and is resistive, so you can use a stylus.
PhatNotes and Phatpad both work on HD2.
in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/andr...97?lnk=gst&q=2.0+multi+touch#e961299866067097
someon says:
From what I've heard, the G1 phone doesn't not handle real multi
touch.
When there are several touches, it just indicates all the X and Y
coordinates, but you still don't know to which impact it is connected.
For instance, you can know that there are some impacts with this
coordinates:
X = 5, 10
Y = 5, 10
But from there, you can't decide whether the impacts are at ( 5, 10 )
and ( 10, 5 ) or (5, 5) and (10, 10 ).
You can still use for those limited things ( multi touch zooming ),
but definitively not for everything !
Still from what I've heard, it is a hardware limitation, so it won't
change !!!
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that means , If both touches occur simultaneously, a program cannot recognized these two points.
as Dianne Hackborn mentioned multi-touch response latter in the thread, G1/sapphire has diffrent behavior from moto Droid. it seems sapphire has same screen hardware as G1. so does it means, G1/sapphire both not have real multi-touch harware? and what about hero device?
Touch Screen
No the touch screen is multi-touch however to enable it we need some software modding They probably did not enable it due to the fact of more money on htc hero and such. Most touch screens nowadays are multi-touch but have not been enable for reasons or software. However the quote "but definitively not for everything !" is correct in the way of not everything but that depends on the coding and software not the hardware.
You heard wrong. You can get multi-touch on both G1 and Sapphire. I've got Loccy's BetterBrowser from CyanogenMod, and I can zoom in and out with pinching.
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in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/andr...97?lnk=gst&q=2.0+multi+touch#e961299866067097
someon says:
that means , If both touches occur simultaneously, a program cannot recognized these two points.
as Dianne Hackborn mentioned multi-touch response latter in the thread, G1/sapphire has diffrent behavior from moto Droid. it seems sapphire has same screen hardware as G1. so does it means, G1/sapphire both not have real multi-touch harware? and what about hero device?
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it has a capacitive touch screen, which gives it the ability to have multi-touch through the use of software updates. If it had a resistive touch screen, like the Droid Eris does, then it would not be able to support multi-touch
Resistive Touch Screen
tazz9690 said:
it has a capacitive touch screen, which gives it the ability to have multi-touch through the use of software updates. If it had a resistive touch screen, like the Droid Eris does, then it would not be able to support multi-touch
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Not entirely true here is a resistive touch screen with multi-touch http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
tazz9690 said:
it has a capacitive touch screen, which gives it the ability to have multi-touch through the use of software updates. If it had a resistive touch screen, like the Droid Eris does, then it would not be able to support multi-touch
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my friend you are wrong the droid eris DOES have a capacitive screen
http://phandroid.com/2009/11/05/htc-droid-eris-specs-found/
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You heard wrong. You can get multi-touch on both G1 and Sapphire. I've got Loccy's BetterBrowser from CyanogenMod, and I can zoom in and out with pinching.
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please read my quote carefully, then you know that there has a possible situation:
when two or more touches occured, the screen hardware give out two X-values and two Y-values, but not two pairs of (X, Y).
in this situation, we cannot dermined if X1 are paired with Y1 or paired with Y2, the same X2: paired with Y1 or paired with Y2?
just think about how a capacitive screen works, if the manufactur designed the hardware works as this situation, then we cannot make a multi-touch action with two or more fingers SIMULTANEOUSLY.
so we still has some multi-touch functions, but not all of them.
Dianne Hackborn is a google guy, so i think the difference between our phone and moto Droid must be exists. but I don't know if sapphire or hero falls into the situation above.
hope everyone's views helped (wrote this because I could not delete post)
jamezelle said:
my friend you are wrong the droid eris DOES have a capacitive screen
http://phandroid.com/2009/11/05/htc-droid-eris-specs-found/
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yeah i am getting confused with the tatto. That one has a resistive touch screen. I just checked up on it.
@xillius200 Though it can have multi touch using stantun's technology, it is too expensive to make it a cost effective phone that people will want to buy and it also makes everything a lot bulkier.
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sanpei said:
please read my quote carefully, then you know that there has a possible situation:
when two or more touches occured, the screen hardware give out two X-values and two Y-values, but not two pairs of (X, Y).
in this situation, we cannot dermined if X1 are paired with Y1 or Y2, and X2 are paired with Y1 or Y2.
just think about how a capacitive screen works, if the manufactur designed the hardware works as this situation, then we cannot make a multi-touch action with two or more fingers SIMULTANEOUSLY.
so we still has some multi-touch functions, but not all of them.
Dianne Hackborn is a google guy, so i think the difference between our phone and moto Droid must be exists. but I don't know if sapphire or hero falls into the situation above.
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Ouch, egg on my face and all that. My bad.
...nothing to see here. Carry on.
(note to self - read)
SpaceBoy2000 said:
You heard wrong. You can get multi-touch on both G1 and Sapphire. I've got Loccy's BetterBrowser from CyanogenMod, and I can zoom in and out with pinching.
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I have an HTC Magic running a Hero ROM and I have multi-touch, but rarely use it. It seems the more features I have the less I use them... including Bluetooth.
tazz9690 said:
@xillius200 Though it can have multi touch using stantun's technology, it is too expensive to make it a cost effective phone that people will want to buy and it also makes everything a lot bulkier.
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HAHAHA.... tell that to Apple
Although i agree stantun's current solution is bulky, it could easily be adapted to a mobile platform, with enough interest.
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Ouch, egg on my face and all that. My bad.
...nothing to see here. Carry on.
(note to self - read)
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when i saw this info, i feel like yours.
but if it is ture, we still have some function like zoom, etc.
functions like zoom only care about abs(x1 - x2) + abs(y1 - y2)
and:
if a app supports that user put a finger on, then put another, and the app recognize it as both finger touch the screen at same time, we can use it normally.
considered that promise of act simulataneously EVERY TIME is not so easy for human being, maybe developer will think about it.
so i think even if the hardware design of G1/saphire are really so different from a iphone-like screen, we should not miss something really important.
but i still want to know, if the message is true.
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I really hope that this haven´t been asked already...I haven´t found an answer yet. Tell me, is there any possibility to get a digitizer working on this touchpad? I do not have any knowledge about the technical requirements for these active pens...
Y dont you just get a ipad pen type of pen?
greenlant said:
Hey!
I really hope that this haven´t been asked already...I haven´t found an answer yet. Tell me, is there any possibility to get a digitizer working on this touchpad? I do not have any knowledge about the technical requirements for these active pens...
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Do you mean a capacitive stylus? The screen is capacitive so only a capacitive stylus will work. Just check out ebay. Any stylus that works with an ipad, transformer, or iconia will work on the touchpad.
If you are thinking of something more like a Wacom tablet type 'active' digitizer, then no, they cannot work with a standard (capacitive only) device. They operate using a radio frequency system which has to be present both on the pen and on the tablet itself.
The bonus is improved accuracy and sensitivity for the device, the drawback being cost, a *screenless* wacom tablet using that technology is already a hundred dollars or more, and to combine it with a screen wacom charges a thousand dollars handily.
HTC has a compromise of a sort with the flyer tablet, but again thats a two part system, part of it is in the pen and part is engineered into the tablet itself.
Thats´what I meant (an active digitizer)...okay, thank you all for your help!!! In this case I have to find out, if such a capacitive pen runs well, but I´ve heard that the are not that good...
Thanks!
i bought the eeepad transformer and really like it...but is there a way to have the HTC pen or any other n-trig stylus work on such tablet...????
ahhany said:
i bought the eeepad transformer and really like it...but is there a way to have the HTC pen or any other n-trig stylus work on such tablet...????
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Unfortunetely no. You can only use very poor for writing capacitive styluses.
I think the Flyer has some special type of glass/screen. So, the answer is unfortunately no. There are some nice stylus out there, my Rocketfish stylus works really nicely. Is it has accurate as the Flyer's? Probably not. Does it do its job nicely? Yes.
I absolutely love the screen on the Infinity, hands down much much better than any other Android device out there and IMHO even better than the iPad Retina (which uses Samsung's PLS screen).
So as the title says, does anyone know who actually makes the LCD display for the Infinity? Does Asus make their own or source it from one of the main suppliers?
Probably Samsung.
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Keion said:
Probably Samsung.
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Taiwan is up there alongside S. Korea as leader of electronics manufacturing, I wouldn't be surprised if it were from Asus' own processing or from a major LCD manufacturing line like Chimei.
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I cant find anything on the TF700 and TF300, but for the Prime/TF201 and the OG TF101 the displays were made by HannStar. Probably a good chance they're still using them... at the very least, they definitely aren't making their own displays.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it...nternal-design/2833?tag=content;siu-container
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cr...ardown-solid-tablet-but-not-without-flaws/399
Interesting question
Snooping around on yer innernet I could find only one manufacturer of 10.1 LCD touchscreens @1920 x 1200 the name is HYDIS.
I'm sure somebody knows for sure however...
rambling1 said:
I absolutely love the screen on the Infinity, hands down much much better than any other Android device out there and IMHO even better than the iPad Retina (which uses Samsung's PLS screen).
So as the title says, does anyone know who actually makes the LCD display for the Infinity? Does Asus make their own or source it from one of the main suppliers?
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Better then the Apple Ipad screen? I'm not sure about that. The Apple ipad 3 that I use for work some times has the most gorgeous screen. The colors pop and are bright and sharp. Everything seems dull on the Asus screen. I use Netflix sometimes and when you load Netflix that red screen comes up for a little bit. I had the Infinity and the ipad 3 right next to one another while loading Netflix and what a difference.
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Better then the Apple Ipad screen? I'm not sure about that. The Apple ipad 3 that I use for work some times has the most gorgeous screen. The colors pop and are bright and sharp. Everything seems dull on the Asus screen. I use Netflix sometimes and when you load Netflix that red screen comes up for a little bit. I had the Infinity and the ipad 3 right next to one another while loading Netflix and what a difference.
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You forgot about one thing. Two, actually. Aspect ratio and brightness.
Thats OK said:
Interesting question
Snooping around on yer innernet I could find only one manufacturer of 10.1 LCD touchscreens @1920 x 1200 the name is HYDIS.
I'm sure somebody knows for sure however...
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Hydis and Panasonic panels are mentioned in the kernel sources for the backlighting driver, so that seems likely. Panasonic might be "leftovers" from the TF201 kernel code, or maybe they are manufacturing similar panels. No idea, really.
Panel mentions in the source code:
https://github.com/oddeirik/TF700T-...53c5191/drivers/video/backlight/pwm_bl.c#L341
opentoe said:
Better then the Apple Ipad screen? I'm not sure about that. The Apple ipad 3 that I use for work some times has the most gorgeous screen. The colors pop and are bright and sharp. Everything seems dull on the Asus screen. I use Netflix sometimes and when you load Netflix that red screen comes up for a little bit. I had the Infinity and the ipad 3 right next to one another while loading Netflix and what a difference.
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I too compared them at the shop and I probably should have qualified my statement to restrict it to text rendering. I compared the new iPad, Infinity, my HTC One X and Nook Color. Images (I did not try video) on the iPad looked better but fonts and text (which is the type of content I consume the most) looked better on the Asus and also on the HOX. It could be the smoothing that Apple does. I used two apps to compare, the iBook vs. Moon Reader+ and Flipboard.
Einride said:
Hydis and Panasonic panels are mentioned in the kernel sources for the backlighting driver, so that seems likely. Panasonic might be "leftovers" from the TF201 kernel code, or maybe they are manufacturing similar panels. No idea, really.
Panel mentions in the source code:
https://github.com/oddeirik/TF700T-...53c5191/drivers/video/backlight/pwm_bl.c#L341
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Hydis lists their displays and their specs on their site, the closest one seems to be this one but the nits value does not look like that of the Super IPS+
http://www.hydis.com/eng/03_product...Name=TabletPC&openBox=1&subBox=1&openSubBox=0
Maybe they don't list them all.