[Q] Cyanogen - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

[Q] Cyanogen - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Anyone know when Cyanogen for the T-former might come out ?
Cheers,
gpearson1968

Presumably when CyanogenMod for Honeycomb comes out. There would be no point installing CM7 Gingerbread onto a Honeycomb tablet.

Hate to say it, but at this point, I'm thinking it is wiser for them to wait for Ice Cream Sandwich to fuse the phone and tablet OS's into one, rather than do the work on Honeycomb, only to have to turn around and do it again for ICS.

I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream

gpearson1968 said:
Anyone know when Cyanogen for the T-former might come out ?
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I doubt anytime soon, at least in a useful configuration. They could probably port the harmony build for gtablet, etc to the Transformer, but I doubt many people would want to run a Gingerbread build on a tablet that ships with Honeycomb (I sure wouldn't).
Honeycomb probably won't show up in a CM project for a good long while since Google still hasn't open sourced most of it.

not having nvflash, is it even possible to do a mod like cm7 on the transformer?
i understand it has a locked bootloader like the droid x, and cm7 cannot be flashed on a droid x.

I am just wondering if there are any good custom roms like cyanogen available for the transformer
Device info
rooted Asus eeepc transformer tf101
Android 3.2
Kernel version 2.6.36-00003-g9baf8f7
Build number HTJ85B.US_epad-8.6.5.9-20110816
With mobile keyboard doc (mobile doc version ep101-0213)
BTW the noob videos are funny I am a noob on this site but I did bother to learn what to do but its very funny
Thanking you for any advice in advance

divinityman said:
I am just wondering if there are any good custom roms like cyanogen available for the transformer
Device info
rooted Asus eeepc transformer tf101
Android 3.2
Kernel version 2.6.36-00003-g9baf8f7
Build number HTJ85B.US_epad-8.6.5.9-20110816
With mobile keyboard doc (mobile doc version ep101-0213)
BTW the noob videos are funny I am a noob on this site but I did bother to learn what to do but its very funny
Thanking you for any advice in advance
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yea, look around, prime, revolver, and revolution hd are still in development. clemy's rom and kernel combo final is available to.

sonami I thanked you but it did not appear in your thanks meter I clicked the thanks icon, are there any other steps or does it just take some time for my thanks to show up

i think it worked, thanks! im on revolver 3.2 and i love it. im hearing great things on revolution hd as well, and prime 1.9 is a good stable rom as well. id say try them all out and choose what works best for you...

I am checking my Asus eee transformer, and according to a benchmark app I am not saying which one I don't want to accidentally spam, but according to the online specs it is suppose to be 1ghz dual core nvidia tagera 2 but it is only showing me 1 core I am wondering if the retail store I bought it from bought the underrated specs model, like they did with my laptop which is suppose to have a 1080p screen but best buy bought ones with less specs and I am wondering if they did the same for my tablet, any help is appreciated. BTW does the custom ROM you mentioned still support the asus mobile doc keyboard

benchmarking
Try a different benchmark app. The one your not wanting to spam may not support benchmarking of dualcore. As far as I know all Asus Transransformers have the tegra 2 chip

divinityman said:
I am checking my Asus eee transformer, and according to a benchmark app I am not saying which one I don't want to accidentally spam, but according to the online specs it is suppose to be 1ghz dual core nvidia tagera 2 but it is only showing me 1 core I am wondering if the retail store I bought it from bought the underrated specs model, like they did with my laptop which is suppose to have a 1080p screen but best buy bought ones with less specs and I am wondering if they did the same for my tablet, any help is appreciated. BTW does the custom ROM you mentioned still support the asus mobile doc keyboard
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mine says dual core,
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and yes im using the dock right now

Cyanogen and Team have already announced they will not be making a Honeycomb CM build. Since Google refuses to release the source code for Honeycomb, Cyanogen and the rest feel their efforts would be wasted trying to cobble together a Honeycomb build with the little thats currently available. They have said though that as soon as ICS source is released they will begin working on a new CM Rom.
I understand the desire for CyanogenMod but lets give some respect to the other developers who have worked so hard to make the TF101 so great. To me its like saying, "Oh thats a cool tablet, but too bad its not an iPad" To those in the know Android smokes iOS in terms of functionality, and to those in the know, our current batch of ROMs beat the hell out of whatever Cyan and team could cook up (no offense intended)

isolated_epidemic said:
Cyanogen and Team have already announced they will not be making a Honeycomb CM build. Since Google refuses to release the source code for Honeycomb, Cyanogen and the rest feel their efforts would be wasted trying to cobble together a Honeycomb build with the little thats currently available. They have said though that as soon as ICS source is released they will begin working on a new CM Rom.
I understand the desire for CyanogenMod but lets give some respect to the other developers who have worked so hard to make the TF101 so great. To me its like saying, "Oh thats a cool tablet, but too bad its not an iPad" To those in the know Android smokes iOS in terms of functionality, and to those in the know, our current batch of ROMs beat the hell out of whatever Cyan and team could cook up (no offense intended)
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Thank you and I just want to say that I am not a one trick pony I have put different custom ROMS other than cm on my gingerbread devices but for those I personally liked the touch feel and overall look of CMMod 7. That being said this is my first honeycomb device and I am honestly having finding custom ROMS for it, and to be honest I personally think Google dropped the ball, because in gingerbread you could clear all notifications at once instead of one by one, and I am still getting use to the new interface. I am not going to downgrade the AOS on my tf-101 to gingerbread, I have searched around, and I was wondering could anyone recommend any custom ROMS for the tf-101 that keep the improved performance of honeycomb but also give the clear all option for notifications instead of one by one. The rest of the interface I am sure I will get use to soon.
PS is there anyway to make the mobile keyboard dock's mouse less sensitive I cannot find any posts telling you how, or any setting in the tablet itself
Thank you for any and all replies to my query, it is very much appreciated

divinityman said:
Thank you and I just want to say that I am not a one trick pony I have put different custom ROMS other than cm on my gingerbread devices but for those I personally liked the touch feel and overall look of CMMod 7. That being said this is my first honeycomb device and I am honestly having finding custom ROMS for it, and to be honest I personally think Google dropped the ball, because in gingerbread you could clear all notifications at once instead of one by one, and I am still getting use to the new interface. I am not going to downgrade the AOS on my tf-101 to gingerbread, I have searched around, and I was wondering could anyone recommend any custom ROMS for the tf-101 that keep the improved performance of honeycomb but also give the clear all option for notifications instead of one by one. The rest of the interface I am sure I will get use to soon.
PS is there anyway to make the mobile keyboard dock's mouse less sensitive I cannot find any posts telling you how, or any setting in the tablet itself
Thank you for any and all replies to my query, it is very much appreciated
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The option is kinda hidden, if you go to the Language and Input settings page you have to scroll to the bottom and the setting is one of two under Mouse Settings.
As for the notifications, I don't know of any custom ROM that allows for Clear All, hopefully ICS will bring it back. But if you want a custom ROM thats stable and full of features you really can't go wrong with any of the ones on offer. I have tried them all including Prime, Clemsyns, Revolver, and Revolution HD. All of them work fantastic and fast with slight differences like themes and voodoo sound added. I'm currently using Revolver 3.2 because of the included Revolver Parts app. It allows you to tweak with system settings, gives you quick and easy access to compatible kernels and also allows you to update your ROM using small (2-10MB) packages instead of having to download an entire 200MB+ zip file. It makes it very easy on my mobile data package so I can get updates while I'm away from home.

isolated_epidemic said:
The option is kinda hidden, if you go to the Language and Input settings page you have to scroll to the bottom and the setting is one of two under Mouse Settings.
As for the notifications, I don't know of any custom ROM that allows for Clear All, hopefully ICS will bring it back. But if you want a custom ROM thats stable and full of features you really can't go wrong with any of the ones on offer. I have tried them all including Prime, Clemsyns, Revolver, and Revolution HD. All of them work fantastic and fast with slight differences like themes and voodoo sound added. I'm currently using Revolver 3.2 because of the included Revolver Parts app. It allows you to tweak with system settings, gives you quick and easy access to compatible kernels and also allows you to update your ROM using small (2-10MB) packages instead of having to download an entire 200MB+ zip file. It makes it very easy on my mobile data package so I can get updates while I'm away from home.
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prime 1.9.1 is a great rom with the most themes available, i use revoler 3.2 at the moment and i love it. the theme x thme is great (just wish it had the xoom buttons, or if i could flash over them over the theme with rvolver parts, but it didnt work) ive heard great tings about revolution HD, but i havnt tried it, and wont until there are themese available, or i start creating themes for HC (been working strictly with GB at this point). as far as clearing all notifications at once, its just not possible yet, at least not that i have found. if you tap the status br to bing up the pop up, you cn just hit all the :"x's" pretty quickly and easily, although it is still pretty annoying. this would have to be a major fix in the systeUI. apk file, and i dont know enough about HC to even try....

sonami said:
prime 1.9.1 is a great rom with the most themes available, i use revoler 3.2 at the moment and i love it. the theme x thme is great (just wish it had the xoom buttons, or if i could flash over them over the theme with rvolver parts, but it didnt work) ive heard great tings about revolution HD, but i havnt tried it, and wont until there are themese available, or i start creating themes for HC (been working strictly with GB at this point). as far as clearing all notifications at once, its just not possible yet, at least not that i have found. if you tap the status br to bing up the pop up, you cn just hit all the :"x's" pretty quickly and easily, although it is still pretty annoying. this would have to be a major fix in the systeUI. apk file, and i dont know enough about HC to even try....
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I do know about the systeUI. apk file in Linux Ubuntu and Linux Mint but not in android to try so I will deal with it for now. So are all the ROMS you mentioned HC or are some downgrades to GB because if any are I would like to avoid those I am searching xda there just does not seem to be many themed roms for HC or for the tf-101 probably because google still will not release the source code to anyone but phone and tablet manufacturers, but hey nothing we can do about that unles we want to start out own tablet company, which btw if i did have one I would make it overclockable from the hardware menu instead through the software so no mods, for overclocking anyways, would be needed but thats just me
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Ok I have decided on Revolver 3.2 I like the screen shots and stuff I have seen, but I don't know if I am using your search right or if I am somehow messing up something as simple as a search, anything is possible, I already rooted my tablet but I am not able to find a image or adb code or zip files or a forum on xda that has the info I need to install the custom ROM, I mean I have found and installed cm mod7 on my optimus v, my girlfriends nook color. But I am unable to find revolver 3.2 for the transformer tf-101, or any mod for the Archos gen 8-10.1 (also rooted). Any and all help is always appreciated. Thanking you in advance
PS I would just like to say that xda-developers is the best, forum I have ever used, and I have been using smart phones and smart phone forums since the kyocera palm phone back in 2006, I agree with you all that android destroys windows mobile and IOS palm os web os and what ever RIM blackberry uses, I always thank people who are helpful here and this is the only forum I have ever been on that the members answer you quickly with great knowledge, niceness, and in words that anyone who bothers to actually read can understand and do at home, I thank all of you in this thread and this entire site for creating the best source for smart phones and tablets Thank you

You're kidding about not finding Revolver ROM right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1173230

baseballfanz said:
You're kidding about not finding Revolver ROM right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1173230
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I must have messed up something as simple as search like I said anything is possible but Thank You for the link. Btw how do you like your nexus. and I did find a custom ROM for the archos101 but the market does not install or to put it better Google services framework will not install so for now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1173230 I went back to the stock ROM that is rooted

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[Q] ROM purpose

Hey Guys,
I am new here so please forgive any embarressing newness moments regarding my questions.
I noticed that GTab has at least 4 different Roms that are being actively developed in their own way (big thank you to the devs btw).
I also see there is a post already asking which rom people this is the best.
I dont know if its fair on the devs to say best or not but I was wondering if each rom was developed for a certain purpose in mind?
I mean is one built for better gaming while the other is for better web browsing etc??
Can anyone pls advise suitability of purpose?
I get my GTab soon as i just ordered it and will be changing the rom on it almost immediately. I'm just unsure which on to choose is all.

~BAM~ said:
Hey Guys,
I am new here so please forgive any embarressing newness moments regarding my questions.
I noticed that GTab has at least 4 different Roms that are being actively developed in their own way (big thank you to the devs btw).
I also see there is a post already asking which rom people this is the best.
I dont know if its fair on the devs to say best or not but I was wondering if each rom was developed for a certain purpose in mind?
I mean is one built for better gaming while the other is for better web browsing etc??
Can anyone pls advise suitability of purpose?
I get my GTab soon as i just ordered it and will be changing the rom on it almost immediately. I'm just unsure which on to choose is all.
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There is not that much difference between the roms. They are based from different source so they all look a little different. The best thing to do is install clockwork and check them all out and see what is best for you. Install one and run it for awhile then make a backup in clockwork and install another. If you don't like it you can then restore your backup and be back up in about 5 minutes.
I would personally wait on cm7 before installing as it has some weird quirks the others don't. I have nothing against cyanogenmod as I am running cm7 on my droid right now.

~BAM~ said:
Hey Guys,
I am new here so please forgive any embarressing newness moments regarding my questions.
I noticed that GTab has at least 4 different Roms that are being actively developed in their own way (big thank you to the devs btw).
I also see there is a post already asking which rom people this is the best.
I dont know if its fair on the devs to say best or not but I was wondering if each rom was developed for a certain purpose in mind?
I mean is one built for better gaming while the other is for better web browsing etc??
Can anyone pls advise suitability of purpose?
I get my GTab soon as i just ordered it and will be changing the rom on it almost immediately. I'm just unsure which on to choose is all.
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None of them is really better at any one thing than the other. It is mostly just user interface differences. TnT Lite is based off of the stock TnT that came on the tablet. Zpad is based off of the rom made for the Zpad. vegaN is based from the rom for the Advent Vega, and Cyanogenmod is based off of... Well, Cyanogenmod.
The GTab, and the Zpad are like brothers. Both made by Malata, and are almost the same thing. The Advent Vega uses similar hardware to us as well.
My personal favorite is vegaN but really only because I don't like the upper notification bar in TnT. Zpad is another one I like for the same reason.
For just starting out I would go with either TnTLite, or vegaN as they are the most popular, and most supported.
Can't really go wrong with any of them and I play with them all. Like said before I would stay away from the Cyanogenmod rom unless you are a techie. It works well, but it has a different way of mapping memory and some other differences that can get you into trouble.
Easiest to get answers to questions are TnTLite, or vegaN...

Thanks for the quick response guys!
I cant wait till my Gtab arrives!

What does prime 1.6 offer over stock 3.1 root?

I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

same too me, I tried it over 3.1, what I experienced:
- browser little bit slower
- more SOD
- nothing real extra feature

I have to use a custom rom for a couple of reasons:
1) My stock rom is the Chinese verison, which means no google apps or google sync. Without google, it's just not android.
2) I need the Chinese input methods. I would normally switch to the USA stock rom, but it doesn't have Chinese input. Prime does/did, Chinese handwriting input is MIA, but I'll sure it will be taken care of.
I choose to use a custom rom for these reasons:
3) I don't like excess crap on my computer. I can modify a custom rom before I install it, mostly just removing apps that I will never use.
4) Root! I love freedom on my computer. Root lets me do things. All kinds of neat things: block ads, increase speed on sd card, delete/modify system apps and directories, and lots more. Look into it, it is fun.
5) Overclock. Prime doesn't have it, but you can add a kernal that does. I currently don't overclock, but as the Tegra 2 ages, i will overclock it. I'm specifically waiting for a rom with a high GPU overclock. There is one out there that currently does have a minor GPU overclock.
6) Clockwork Recovery. Backup, restore, switch roms, clear cache and more.
Why I choose Prime:
7) Dock battery meter in the taskbar.
8) Reboot/recovery options for power button.
After looking through the current selection of roms available, I choose Prime. But I keep my eye on revolver and Clemsyn.

bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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How do you not? OP clearly states that there are optimizations made to increase load times etc etc.

No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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Last time I flashed a Tom he punched me in the face...
One reason I haven't seen mentioned would also be themes, but it is still early in the game, there are few options. Custom Roms are generally just optimized better, though the Transformer doesn't have nearly the bloat some Android devices have making them almost essential...
Honestly once you learn, it is such an easy process that flashing different roms/kernels and trying them is the only real way to know what is best for you and your usage.

bobloadmire said:
No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.

zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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The reason im asking is so i dont miss out on anything and obviously im looking for empiracle data to help me understand any performance benefits.
Sent from my MOTWX435KT using Tapatalk

zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Wow...
He asked what was the difference between stock and Prime, and you went off in another direction. He wasn't asking to be "begged" into using Prime nor asking for others to convince him into using Prime at all.
Anyways, I know Prime has a few optimizations, but I don't know if it brings any substantial changes. There's a link to download the power/recovery mod, so I suppose it could be applied to any ROM including rooted stock.

One reason I would like to root my tf101 is to be able to use a USB dongle. But I am waiting for 3.2 to come out before since I just got my tf101.
The stock version is pretty good actually. No major complaints so far.

I hav ebeen using Prime for a while but ASUS stock version is definitely quite good. Even more so for lack of garbageware that so plagues the mobile phones...

Yea I guess I'm in the same camp. I haven't seen a compelling reason to move to a different ROM versus rooted stock. There are too many posts that seem to lead users to believe that a different ROM is the same as root. Remember you can root the stock ROM. The OP is asking what user experience enhancements make Prime (or any other ROM) compelling.

If you read changelog second post it will tell you exactly what's new in the ROM. Many changes are only useful for experienced linux users, but many others are useful for everyone. The nice thing about roms is that most of the things and tweaks are already done for you. If you don't need/care about those changes then there is no point for you to reflash.

Which BXX mod did you get ?
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?

Manufacturer's (ASUS included) have to be very careful about their ROM releases so they are thoroughly tested and ready to release to the general public. Consequently they are slower to release updates (i.e. NVidia updates, etc.). Custom ROMs generally consolidate the best and latest releases from various manufacturer's into the most cuttest edge versions you can possibly be running. As you'll notice this can also mean more lock-ups and weird issues since you are getting just-available changes. So if you prefer max stability, stick with the manufacturer's updates. For many of us part of the fun of owning an Android tablet is the rapid pace that custom ROMs are put out and the interesting/quirky things they bring us.

marcelol said:
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
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I got a B60 TF and a B60 dock from my local OD this past weekend (Denver, CO).

Prime Vs Stock
Reason why I flashed the Prime Rom. With Prime and a netflix patch I'm able to stream netflix movie. Also now Adhoc connections work. I can Wifi tehther my TF101 with my Driod using the adhoc connection. I can now easily reboot into recovery prior to this going into recovery was a bit tricky. This was not possible even with HC 3.2. Also I don't have to worry about losing root becuase of an OTA update.

I am actually a flashaholic when it comes to flashing roms on my phone. But so far, I haven't come across any compelling reasons to flash custom roms on my transformer. The need to flash roms on phones offer benefits that are non existant on a tablet. For instance, one major reason to flash custom roms on phones is to enable free wifi tethering, which obviously does not apply here. Another reason, as stated above is to remove bloatware. The transformer doesn't really have that. And yet another reason is to be able to update to the latest Android version before the official release. Correct me if i'm wrong but when I looked, the 3.2 update came out officially before any transformer custom roms had it. There are a couple more minor customizations options that I'm not seeing yet being offered by the transformer roms. I am fully aware of the speed enhancements and optimizations that custom roms offer, but considering the custom roms for the transformer are still relatively new (no disrespect or discredit to the devs for their hard work), and considering that even still now, the rooting and flashing methods keep getting outdated and changed, it's too early in this ballgame for me to flash.

I've been lurking the forums here now for a month and finally pulled the trigger, my TF get's here monday.
I have yet to see any reason to flash a custom rom or even root at this point. I'll be rooting it just to say it's rooted and just for a couple of root only programs I have. The custom roms don't really bring anything to the table that this tablet doesn't have. it has the newest version of android with all the bells and whistles. I'm not going to be overclocking. I understand netflix is big for some people, but, from what I have read flashing the fix breaks some video playback. I'm ok to wait for the official netflix patch. A 32gb MicroSD and the 16gb on board space is plenty to store movies on for travel etc. I also have a server I run at home that will stream my entire movie,. TV, and music collections directly to me.
Having the best of the best and the most up to date version of android does have it's perks

Are you happy with ICS 4.0.1 on the Nexus S?

Are you really happy with ICS on the Nexus S?
I need to say, i have tried any version that someone has created, i hate it.
Why? Because of the new multitasking, you can see 4 apps where you have seen 8 before, there seems to be no GPU acceleration in this view, it's sometimes slow and i just hate it.
The music player is soooo slow, needs around 2-3 seconds just to load if you open him for the first time. Yeah, Android has multitasking...but with only 512MB of the Nexus S this ****ty player will always be closed.
The Gallery app is also damn slow, it is not accurate to touch-points, it has laggy scrolling. The old 3D Gallery was just 1000 times better.
And then the home launcher...it force closes many times in the background, he lags sometimes and isn't working fine at all. Launcher Pro has proofed that fast launchers are REAL.
Other then that, it's OK...slower then GB, but OK...i hope Google will fix some things or i won't buy any further Android device...WP7 all the way (also just 1Ghz and 512MB but soooo fast)...

These are gn ports the official ics rom will be smoking
Sent from Oxygen 2.3.2 powered Nexus S 4G

bluefisch200 said:
Are you really happy with ICS on the Nexus S?
I need to say, i have tried any version that someone has created, i hate it.
Why? Because of the new multitasking, you can see 4 apps where you have seen 8 before, there seems to be no GPU acceleration in this view, it's sometimes slow and i just hate it.
The music player is soooo slow, needs around 2-3 seconds just to load if you open him for the first time. Yeah, Android has multitasking...but with only 512MB of the Nexus S this ****ty player will always be closed.
The Gallery app is also damn slow, it is not accurate to touch-points, it has laggy scrolling. The old 3D Gallery was just 1000 times better.
And then the home launcher...it force closes many times in the background, he is lags sometimes and isn't working fine at all. Launcher Pro has proofed that fast launchers are REAL.
Other then that, it's OK...slower then GB, but OK...i hope Google will fix some things or i won't buy any further Android device...WP7 all the way (also just 1Ghz and 512MB but soooo fast)...
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Seems like your main gripe is with speed and stability which you have no reason to criticize on the current builds of ICS because of one simple reason:
The ICS port these ROMs are built on were not made for the Nexus S.
If you want to criticize, wouldn't it make sense to do so on the finished product and not on a ROM that some stranger threw together and posted on some forum? The ICS ROMs in the dev section are simply that. I'm actually surprised that CM threw their name on Koush's ROM as there is nothing official about it. One only has to look at the kernel to see that (read: they are using the GB kernel for an ICS ROM). That's all you need to look at.

Played with it just for playings sake, but as a daily driver, nope.
I'm a news nut and most sites still use flash a lot, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, e.t.c and no flash on ICS means no videos and such, plus just generally it's laggy, battery draining and just not satisfactory to me at all. Sygic GPS app wouldn't run and gave an error message about lack of hardware acceleration (?), amongst other annoyances.
Yes I know these are not official builds but one can still have an opinion like the OP, regardless.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G

Enhanced said:
Seems like your main gripe is with speed and stability which you have no reason to criticize on the current builds of ICS because of one simple reason:
The ICS port these ROMs are built on were not made for the Nexus S.
If you want to criticize, wouldn't it make sense to do so on the finished product and not on a ROM that some stranger threw together and posted on some forum? The ICS ROMs in the dev section are simply that. I'm actually surprised that CM threw their name on Koush's ROM as there is nothing official about it. One only has to look at the kernel to see that (read: they are using the GB kernel for an ICS ROM). That's all you need to look at.
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Well, i hope that they can fix this...but from a developer standpoint (Not Android and Java) i can not see that such HUGE improvements can be done. For example, the gallery app has the same sluggish performance as the one on Honeycomb...

bluefisch200 said:
Are you really happy with ICS on the Nexus S?
I need to say, i have tried any version that someone has created, i hate it.
Why? Because of the new multitasking, you can see 4 apps where you have seen 8 before, there seems to be no GPU acceleration in this view, it's sometimes slow and i just hate it.
The music player is soooo slow, needs around 2-3 seconds just to load if you open him for the first time. Yeah, Android has multitasking...but with only 512MB of the Nexus S this ****ty player will always be closed.
The Gallery app is also damn slow, it is not accurate to touch-points, it has laggy scrolling. The old 3D Gallery was just 1000 times better.
And then the home launcher...it force closes many times in the background, he lags sometimes and isn't working fine at all. Launcher Pro has proofed that fast launchers are REAL.
Other then that, it's OK...slower then GB, but OK...i hope Google will fix some things or i won't buy any further Android device...WP7 all the way (also just 1Ghz and 512MB but soooo fast)...
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How many times do we have to say that the current ICS roms are made of the GALAXY NEXUS source. So they are ''ports''. the offial update wil be wayy faster with the correct drivers for our device

bluefisch200 said:
Are you really happy with ICS on the Nexus S?
I need to say, i have tried any version that someone has created, i hate it.
Why? Because of the new multitasking, you can see 4 apps where you have seen 8 before, there seems to be no GPU acceleration in this view, it's sometimes slow and i just hate it.
The music player is soooo slow, needs around 2-3 seconds just to load if you open him for the first time. Yeah, Android has multitasking...but with only 512MB of the Nexus S this ****ty player will always be closed.
The Gallery app is also damn slow, it is not accurate to touch-points, it has laggy scrolling. The old 3D Gallery was just 1000 times better.
And then the home launcher...it force closes many times in the background, he lags sometimes and isn't working fine at all. Launcher Pro has proofed that fast launchers are REAL.
Other then that, it's OK...slower then GB, but OK...i hope Google will fix some things or i won't buy any further Android device...WP7 all the way (also just 1Ghz and 512MB but soooo fast)...
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1. Have you not scrolled the task switcher? I've counted up to 16 apps here and while it takes longer to open than I'd like, it scrolls smoothly for me 99% of the time.
2. FCs and random sluggishness are to be expected in Alpha builds but I haven't had any since updating to Alpha 13 + Franco's December 12 kernel.
3. Most importantly, this is not only Alpha but we don't even have a real ICS kernel yet. Please be patient.

ICS on Nexus S will gradually be faster, it'll take some time. Not too much longer since Google is working on releasing ICS for Nexus S via official OTA. So at least be thankful for that whereas other phones such as RAZR, Rezound, etc will have to wait longer and rely on the manufacturer.
If this is really a problem. Just get a Galaxy Nexus or go back to Gingerbread and work on CM7 kangs.

The devs here are doing a great job, but there's only so much they're capable of without official release kernels from Google. Once the official release comes out, the vast majority of performance and software bugs will be fixed. To see them even working this well at this point is a very good indicator, imo.

I prefer ICS so much, I havent gone back to GB since the SDK builds...
Long days and pleasant nights............

Lol this is funny. They are using gingerbread kernels, it isn't supposed to be speedy and perfect. Even though ''cm9'' works pretty fast with francisco kernel. And who uses stock player? Use poweramp its amazing.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium

pitmaster said:
I prefer ICS so much, I havent gone back to GB since the SDK builds...
Long days and pleasant nights............
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Same here. I'm loving the ics ports and have been running aosp's oICS since it was released.
Seems that many people are just not adept enough to be able to use android. Stick with iOS or W7 if you can't handle an ice cream sandwich.

v26 of oics is very nice....cant wait for the final ICS from google
cant wait for the roms from that!!!

I'm perfectly happy with
ICS in it's current form. No issues here that I didn't cause
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

LordLugard said:
Played with it just for playings sake, but as a daily driver, nope.
I'm a news nut and most sites still use flash a lot, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, e.t.c and no flash on ICS means no videos and such, plus just generally it's laggy, battery draining and just not satisfactory to me at all. Sygic GPS app wouldn't run and gave an error message about lack of hardware acceleration (?), amongst other annoyances.
Yes I know these are not official builds but one can still have an opinion like the OP, regardless.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G
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Flash is available for ICS...
I really like the changes that Google made with ICS and I can't wait til we get an official build with the 3.0 kernel. For now I went back to CM7.1 just for the sake of speed and fluidity but as soon as official ICS is available I will likely say good-bye to GB for good.

mlin said:
Flash is available for ICS...
I really like the changes that Google made with ICS and I can't wait til we get an official build with the 3.0 kernel. For now I went back to CM7.1 just for the sake of speed and fluidity but as soon as official ICS is available I will likely say good-bye to GB for good.
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Saw the announcement on various sites but have YET to actually see it in the market or able to install it. If you have a link, could you share it?

LordLugard said:
Saw the announcement on various sites but have YET to actually see it in the market or able to install it. If you have a link, could you share it?
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Its just the newest Adobe that's in the market.
What's New
What's in this version:
This update to Adobe Flash Player 11 includes compatibility with Android 4 supported devices, performance improvements and bug fixes related to security and stability. The complete set of release notes can be found at: http://adobe.ly/s16mAX.
See if this works:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5hZG9iZS5mbGFzaHBsYXllciJd

It says I already have it (how, i don't know) and when I click open, it pulls up a blank settings page. Version numbers match and all. Using oAOSP 4.0.1 ICS v27.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
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"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
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Very happy, actually.
Except for the stock ICS icons. Ugly. =(

then just use what make u happy

Advice after personal experience

I had Infuse with original Froyo for a while and heard wonderful things about Gingerbread (GB), how battery is much better and stuff.
So I waited for official GB upgrade and used standard way AT&T is doing upgrades.
Gingerbread was bad, freezes, reboots, etc. BTW, my wifes Atrix 2 works nice with GB and holds charge for two days. That was one of the reasons I believed in GB.
Since my GB was so bad I started to look here to get devices rooted and install something new and better.
Unfortunately nothing is better than original Froyo. Sorry guys, I do not understand what is so good in ICS or JellyBean? Can somebody list new features?
I'm using now CM10 8/8, my portable hotspot is not working, my battery is worth, my Bluetooth is having issues, my GPS was not working at all until 8/8 build and most of all I do not see any features of ICS or JB worth spending time installing it. And I did not even try to evaluate camera/video. According to some notes, HD video is having issues.
I am not new to technologies and I did all upgrades according to dev notes. This is just my experience and may help some new people save some time trying.
BTW 8/8 very laggy, changing screens slow, even if I put min cpu to 1200, gps shows satellites but I did not have enough time (waited 15 minutes) and did not get any sat locks.

bilihor said:
I had Infuse with original Froyo for a while and heard wonderful things about Gingerbread (GB), how battery is much better and stuff.
So I waited for official GB upgrade and used standard way AT&T is doing upgrades.
Gingerbread was bad, freezes, reboots, etc. BTW, my wifes Atrix 2 works nice with GB and holds charge for two days. That was one of the reasons I believed in GB.
Since my GB was so bad I started to look here to get devices rooted and install something new and better.
Unfortunately nothing is better than original Froyo. Sorry guys, I do not understand what is so good in ICS or JellyBean? Can somebody list new features?
I'm using now CM10 8/8, my portable hotspot is not working, my battery is worth, my Bluetooth is having issues, my GPS was not working at all until 8/8 build and most of all I do not see any features of ICS or JB worth spending time installing it. And I did not even try to evaluate camera/video. According to some notes, HD video is having issues.
I am not new to technologies and I did all upgrades according to dev notes. This is just my experience and may help some new people save some time trying.
BTW 8/8 very laggy, changing screens slow, even if I put min cpu to 1200, gps shows satellites but I did not have enough time (waited 15 minutes) and did not get any sat locks.
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Well...obviously rooting/flashing roms isntt for you...you know its easy to go back to stock froyo...
And the whole point of ics/jb is staying up to date with the latest software...any true tech guy would want to flash ics/jb-regardless of the bugs
And that is your personal expierence about cm10 8/8...I got a GPS lock in less then a minute...and I have 0 lag
Imho opinion this thread is pointless...it clearly states in ops what doesnt work-just go back to froyo...its obvious that's what you want
Btw...wasn't trying to be rude...just stating my opinion
Sent from my HTC Holiday using Tapatalk 2

mg2195 said:
Well...obviously rooting/flashing roms isntt for you...you know its easy to go back to stock froyo...
And the whole point of ics/jb is staying up to date with the latest software...any true tech guy would want to flash ics/jb-regardless of the bugs
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I was like that 20 years ago, yeah, all new stuff, bugs? we can live with them. But this is point of view of a hacker. The ultimate goal is to make it work, not to make it work maybe. Does it make sense to just "stay with new technology, maybe" ?
I drifted from being hacker who makes cool things to make applications which work and feel great about it.
Most of the people just need their phone to work. Oh, yeah, you are texting now with JellyBean !

My one and a half cent:
IMHO For most people rooting and flashing is probably something they should not do. All they want is a functional phone that does phone things: text, make calls, check Facebook, etc. That is exactly what they get when their phone comes out of the box. That's great and awesome: don't worry, be happy.
There are others "hackers" or not, who like to tinker, figure out how things work, "try" and get them to work more efficiently, or "better". This includes those who are not as technical as the devs but are willing to help, test and report.
These people who are ready and willing to live with the fact that their expensive functional phone may end up as an expensive piece of plastic and metal...well root and flash away.
But to complain that your phone is worse after using someones hardwork and effort is pointless. Report problems yes...complain...not cool.
These boards are filled with complaints and cries for help from people who probably should have stuck with the phone they got from the store and just been happy. Rooting is not for everyone.
Peace
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse

Forget, Froy, GB, ICS, JB...
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
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"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
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qkster said:
Blasphemer! Heinous! Stone him!!
You don't like ways to break your phone?
You don't like to learn how to add a new APN?
You don't want to downgrade your 720p video to 480p?
- joking.
In several aspects, I agree with you re: FROYO. The Froyo phone does what it is suppose to do. Great cam/vid; GPS, mms and call. If you're not dying the the latest, it runs just fine. Froyo doesn't support Gtalk Video
I'm not sure about your experience with GB though. I've not seen the lags, freezes and reboots on the official firmware.
The main thing I recall from official GB is make sure you install it without a microSD in place and after it is installed, copy off all your stuff from the internal SDcard and do a factory reset under /setting/privacy.
Here a froyo treat for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25526638&postcount=1
In December 2011, I wrote this thread. I thought it was pretty funny at the time. If you reflect on it, you may like the practical points I was making.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1397287
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qkster that thread was Awesome! I had never read that before...hilarious
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse

Okay so maybe ICS and JB are not for you.. but what about GB ROMs like Emancipation and Aeon? Have you given them a try?
Stock is okay but it has too much room for improvement and that's where our brilliant devs come in. Believe in them and in their work. They are not here to turn phones into robots that will lead us to our doom
Sent from my sweet and buttery Infuse

bigjoe2675 said:
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Joe, you keep that crap up and the mods might take your merit badges, along with your box of cookies and your bag of jelly beans!....lol :laugh:

PoXFreak said:
Joe, you keep that crap up and the mods might take your merit badges, along with your box of cookies and your bag of jelly beans!....lol :laugh:
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Wat?!?
Bigjoe slowly walking away....now running....gone....

bilihor said:
I was like that 20 years ago, yeah, all new stuff, bugs? we can live with them. But this is point of view of a hacker. The ultimate goal is to make it work, not to make it work maybe. Does it make sense to just "stay with new technology, maybe" ?
I drifted from being hacker who makes cool things to make applications which work and feel great about it.
Most of the people just need their phone to work. Oh, yeah, you are texting now with JellyBean !
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Please don't make this into one of those "I'm too old for this crap" debates. I might possibly be as old as you are, seeing as how I got my start on SCO Xenix way back when the 386DX25 was the processor to have.
Hell, I remember MS Windows 1.1! 6 black and white windows, the beginnings of multi-tasking...
All these people want, in essence, is a phone with the newest available software... that works. Thats why there is always someone working on some problem or "bug", trying and (99.9% of the time) succeeding. Sometimes we fail, but there is always someone else willing to pick up where we left off.
One reason I enjoy playing with firmware...; the challenge. I've always been one to take it apart and somehow make it better, regardless of what it is. A car, a radio, a computer... whatever.
On a side note, maybe reflashing your firmware will fix the issues your having with your Infuse now?

bigjoe2675 said:
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.... thought I read somewhere that pornographic images are not allowed on xda... :silly:

PoXFreak said:
Please don't make this into one of those "I'm too old for this crap" debates. I might possibly be as old as you are, seeing as how I got my start on SCO Xenix way back when the 386DX25 was the processor to have.
Hell, I remember MS Windows 1.1! 6 black and white windows, the beginnings of multi-tasking...
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Wow!!! You are old
Tandy 1000 here .... 5 1/4 floppy ... All DOS baby... Anyone? Anyone?
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse

bilihor said:
I had Infuse with original Froyo for a while and heard wonderful things about Gingerbread (GB), how battery is much better and stuff.
So I waited for official GB upgrade and used standard way AT&T is doing upgrades.
Gingerbread was bad, freezes, reboots, etc. BTW, my wifes Atrix 2 works nice with GB and holds charge for two days. That was one of the reasons I believed in GB.
Since my GB was so bad I started to look here to get devices rooted and install something new and better.
Unfortunately nothing is better than original Froyo. Sorry guys, I do not understand what is so good in ICS or JellyBean? Can somebody list new features?
I'm using now CM10 8/8, my portable hotspot is not working, my battery is worth, my Bluetooth is having issues, my GPS was not working at all until 8/8 build and most of all I do not see any features of ICS or JB worth spending time installing it. And I did not even try to evaluate camera/video. According to some notes, HD video is having issues.
I am not new to technologies and I did all upgrades according to dev notes. This is just my experience and may help some new people save some time trying.
BTW 8/8 very laggy, changing screens slow, even if I put min cpu to 1200, gps shows satellites but I did not have enough time (waited 15 minutes) and did not get any sat locks.
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IDK, maybe you got the initial, buggy, official GB update? I jumped ship and flashed Zeus long before that. And it ran smoother and I got better battery life with it than stock Froyo.
And it's pretty clearly written in each thread what is being seen by folks using the ROMs. For the CM10 build, It's pretty well known that GPS had issues until 8/8. It's posted clearly that several folks had issues with trebuchet lagging, so they loaded an alternate launcher and got better results. It's posted that wifi hotspot doesn't work with WPA or WPA2 with the bcrmhd driver (think that's the specific driver) and disabling security will allow it to work.
I know there are 200+ pages on some of these ROM threads, and many of the posts are 'me too' 'OMG this is so cool' or 'WTF? Read the OP'. But there are useful nuggets of information in there, especially the OP, and you really need to read them all to know what you might see with that ROM, or at least to know 'oh, I'm not the only one with that problem, and here's how they fixed it.'
In short, don't be ready to jump to a ROM that's only been out a short time until you know that either the bugs are fixed or you can live with the bugs that have been reported. Believe it or not, there IS a reason it takes time for official updates to roll out too, and it's not just to piss everyone off.

Smokestack360 said:
Wow!!! You are old
Tandy 1000 here .... 5 1/4 floppy ... All DOS baby... Anyone? Anyone?
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse
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.... my current rig
may consider an upgrade if the holiday deals are just right....
...only 11 more payments to bigjoe and she'll be all mine.

PoXFreak said:
Please don't make this into one of those "I'm too old for this crap" debates. I might possibly be as old as you are, seeing as how I got my start on SCO Xenix way back when the 386DX25 was the processor to have.
Hell, I remember MS Windows 1.1! 6 black and white windows, the beginnings of multi-tasking...
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fortran, basm, basic, dos 2.0, turbo pascal 3, IBM XT, PS/1 - those are times I started coding, circa 1987
(... deleted "politically incorrect" paragraph addressed not to you PoXFreak. I hate it here in US, people are always nice to each other, no matter what, or you will be called complainer ...)

bilihor said:
fortran, basm, basic, dos 2.0, turbo pascal 3, IBM XT, PS/1 - those are times I started coding, circa 1987
(... deleted "politically incorrect" paragraph addressed not to you PoXFreak. I hate it here in US, people are always nice to each other, no matter what, or you will be called complainer ...)
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Yes...turbo pascal...I remember turbo pascal...or actually forgot turbo pascal. I couldn't code in that anymore to save my life
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse

Smokestack360 said:
Wow!!! You are old
Tandy 1000 here .... 5 1/4 floppy ... All DOS baby... Anyone? Anyone?
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse
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Timex Sinclair, cassette drive, b/w TV for a monitor... that was my first start. All BASIC language...
Sent from my SGH-I997 using xda app-developers app

PoXFreak said:
Timex Sinclair, cassette drive, b/w TV for a monitor... that was my first start. All BASIC language...
Sent from my SGH-I997 using xda app-developers app
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Bunch of old farts in here...soon someone is gonna bust out old punchcards or even an abacus
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse

Smokestack360 said:
Wow!!! You are old
Tandy 1000 here .... 5 1/4 floppy ... All DOS baby... Anyone? Anyone?
Sent from a de-FUNKt Infuse
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I saw this in my great grandfather's office.
I'm not sure what it is.
I first PC was an Intel i7 quadcore 8gb RAM and 2tb drive.

My gripes about Google Edition (coming from stock)

I love my S4, and I really have no problems with TouchWiz, apart from the gigantic size of /system (makes it a bear when making and storing frequent nandroid backups). I've been playing around with the Google Edition ROM v1.3 for the past couple of days, and I'm really impressed with the small size of the ROM, and the noticeable "snappiness" that it brings to my device (the stock rom with OTA and reduced bloatware is fine, but G.E. seems just a hair faster).
That being said, I'm returning back to the nandroid of my stock rom for now, and here's a list of reasons why:
I absolutely LOVE Samsung's camera app that's in TW. I know that someone is already working on porting it over to G.E., but this is something I can't go without in the meantime.
I miss the cool lockscreen "lens flare" effect. It seems such a trivial thing, but I do miss it.
The Samsung Keyboard. I'm really surprised nobody has ported this over to AOSP yet (link me to it if I'm wrong). Some of the haters hate the Samsung keyboard, but I much prefer it over every other one I've tried, including AOSP/Google, Swiftkey, and several others available in the Play Store.
I liked the toggles on the notification bar. I found a suitable replacement, though, so it's hard for me to list this one.
Stock music player. The Google Edition only comes with Google Play Music it seems? I just want my stock music player back tyvm. *shrug* Maybe I missed something, but I just want to play my MP3's offline without subscribing to something ridiculous and unnecessary.
I liked the Optical Reader that came with stock. Again, this is trivial because there's so many replacements on the Market, but Samsung's version was pretty nice. G.E. doesn't seem to have one out-of-the-box that I've seen...
Stock Dialer. This is a huge one for me, the more I think about it. Back when I had my S2 and I moved from TW to CM, I missed the same feature that's missing in G.E.: dialing contacts by name! Very frustrating to have to search through my contacts list, rather than simply dialing "john" on the keypad. -_-
I did have an issue with the Reboot option missing, but thankfully Modaco's Xposed Mod works great to restore this. So, really a non-issue now...
S Beam is nice. I know AOSP/G.E. have "Android Beam", but iirc, it's not nearly as quick and smooth as S Beam is. My wife has the Note2 running rooted stock, so it's a nice feature to share larger files very quickly with her.
The stock TW launcher is nice - I don't see what everyone is fussing about. It's smooth, it's customizable, it loops around, and does everything I could ask for. The one in Google Edition isn't that nice. I know your response is, "why not just download another one?" Because I feel I shouldn't have to, that's why
Group Play anyone? I'm sure this will get ported over eventually, but it's not immediately available that I'm aware of.
While some of the extra features on the S4 are very "gimmicky" (i.e. air view/gesture, smart stay, etc.), they are also some of the very features that make the S4 unique amongst its peers. It's fun to show these off, once in a while, and I sometimes find them useful. Without all this, I feel like I'm just using a super-fast, super-sized Galaxy S2 running CM10.1 again.
There might be a few minor insignificant things I'm missing on this list, but that's everything I can puke out right now. Now you may ask, "what's the purpose of this thread?? why complain here??" - First, I don't want to plug up the G.E. thread more than it is already (I feel guilty for contributing to that mess already). Second, I'm somewhat hoping that each of these items can be addressed, fully and completely, at some point or another. I know the G.E. rom is very fresh, and work is currently underway to port some of these TW elements to it. It may be a while, it may be never. But perhaps there will be sufficient and acceptable alternatives to each of these, and perhaps the masses here on XDA can sway me back into Google Edition before long. Lastly, I could only hope that someone else might find this thread useful. Perhaps someone is debating making the jump to G.E. right now, and would like to know what it's like in comparison. Hope this helps you, Mr. On-The-Fence.
Now please, keep this thread clean. Perhaps offer your own gripes about Google Edition (versus TW)? Perhaps even add the things you love about G.E. (there are plenty to list, I'm sure!). Perhaps offer solutions to some of the items I've listed above. But posting things like "G.E. is AOSP-based, and doesn't have all these touchwiz things, get over it." won't help anyone.
Okay.... Go!

Lack of Launcher Options. Coming from CM10.1, AOSP as well basically, I'm used to having more launcher options such as # of rows, and such. This can be fixed easily using Nova or some other Launcher.

Obviously you just need to run a debloated stock based rom, GE is clearly not for you. I think you are missing the point of GE.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337

Noobla_Khan said:
Obviously you just need to run a debloated stock based rom, GE is clearly not for you. I think you are missing the point of GE.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
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... Not meaning to argue at all, but that's what I'm doing now (running stock, manually-debloated rom). This was kinda the whole purpose of the thread - explaining why G.E. is clearly not what I need right now.

Aou said:
... Not meaning to argue at all, but that's what I'm doing now (running stock, manually-debloated rom). This was kinda the whole purpose of the thread - explaining why G.E. is clearly not what I need right now.
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No arguement here but changing GE to include everything you listed is kinda pointless as you want to turn GE into a TW rom.
Try out some of the stock based roms, you might find one with that snappiness you are looking for. SHOStock and CleanRom are both excellent stock based roms.
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I think the Samsung firmware (as they call it) is the best for our phones currently because there are hardware drivers built in to the factory firmware and I think the Google edition rom does not have those and is just using generic drivers. I noticed the auto brightness doesn't really work at all with the ge rom. And the phone battery died real fast with the ge rom. Not to mention you miss the widgets and some of the nicer Samsung built in features.
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Google Edition: If someone could hack it so I can customize the quick-settings toggles and add a torch button and fix the "car dock" mode to work like it does in Cyanogen (which is correctly) then I'd still be on it.

galaxyjeff said:
I think the Samsung firmware (as they call it) is the best for our phones currently because there are hardware drivers built in to the factory firmware and I think the Google edition rom does not have those and is just using generic drivers. I noticed the auto brightness doesn't really work at all with the ge rom. And the phone battery died real fast with the ge rom. Not to mention you miss the widgets and some of the nicer Samsung built in features.
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The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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CZ Eddie said:
Google Edition: If someone could hack it so I can customize the quick-settings toggles and add a torch button and fix the "car dock" mode to work like it does in Cyanogen (which is correctly) then I'd still be on it.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.

Noobla_Khan said:
The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.
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Yeah but I think Sammy pulled a little bit of a fast one as the GE build still contains the touwiz frameworks. Not sure if they just left em there or if they're still called on.
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Still like stock the most at this point. The s4 comes with 4.2.2 out of the box and works way better with the stock rom.
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I have a Nexus 4 as a 2nd phone and go between that and my S4 often. I love both, but I really have to agree with the OP that the TW Camera app is really nice and having it not working on the GE or any ASOP/AKOP ROMs is a deal breaker for me. I use my phone primarily for calls, camera, and social media (that's it). If the TW camera app gets ported over then I'm definitely making the switch to GE for the S4 because I love the stock Nexus experience.
Also it dives me nuts that 7GB is used by the stock ROM, or should I say that I only get 9GB to use in the internal memory.

dstech said:
I have a Nexus 4 as a 2nd phone and go between that and my S4 often. I love both, but I really have to agree with the OP that the TW Camera app is really nice and having it not working on the GE or any ASOP/AKOP ROMs is a deal breaker for me. I use my phone primarily for calls, camera, and social media (that's it). If the TW camera app gets ported over then I'm definitely making the switch to GE for the S4 because I love the stock Nexus experience.
Also it dives me nuts that 7GB is used by the stock ROM, or should I say that I only get 9GB to use in the internal memory.
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Not totally there yet, but good progress has been made.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43054051&highlight=camera+apk#post43054051

Noobla_Khan said:
The GE firmware is maintained by Samsung, Google is not maintaining this. The drivers in the rom are the actual Samsung drivers for the GE S4. The GE 4.3 leak that is out there supposedly was leaked by Samsung. The point of the Google Edition software is to be bone stock Android with no manufacturer or carrier software(except drivers). This is why you are not going to see the spiffy camera modes or use of sensors for smart stay and such, Google does not develop this software and Samsung is keeping it stock for GE.
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Someone will eventually get some of this stuff working on modified GE roms no doubt. CyanogenMod will eventually be great on this phone as well and I'm hoping the GE firmware will help to that end.
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I suppose what I was expecting from Samsung in the Google Edition was some sort of hybrid between a non-carrier-branded OS (e.g. no AT&T bloatware whatsoever) and AOSP. I was hoping for the basic Samsung apps - enough to get the hardware "goodies" to work, but optional to remove them entirely if needed, so that users could easily bring it to an AOSP experience if they so desired (perhaps without even root!).
Alas, it appears G.E. is about the equivalent of AOSP with a few drivers and carrots thrown in by Samsung.

Actually, I thought GE was going to design their own OS, man, was I wrong.
you're better off using something like Task650, looks similar to GE, with all the bells and whistles.

Aou said:
I suppose what I was expecting from Samsung in the Google Edition was some sort of hybrid between a non-carrier-branded OS (e.g. no AT&T bloatware whatsoever) and AOSP. I was hoping for the basic Samsung apps - enough to get the hardware "goodies" to work, but optional to remove them entirely if needed, so that users could easily bring it to an AOSP experience if they so desired (perhaps without even root!).
Alas, it appears G.E. is about the equivalent of AOSP with a few drivers and carrots thrown in by Samsung.
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The only carrot would be that in GE 4.2.2 the TW framework is still there for some reason so some Samsung software(camera app) will get ported over and likely work. In GE 4.3 there does not appear to be TW framework.
Until CyanongenMod gets there software nailed down for S4 I am running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305752
With this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307355
Running pretty damn nice.

My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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I am running MintJelly V3 with kt kernel and this is my current setup:
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
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"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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I have all of sammie's features without the ugly touchwiz UI + all the unneeded bloat is gone. With nova launcher's aggressive desktop and the crossbreeder mod, it's every bit as responsive and fast as the GE edition. I also have CPA Poke's mms.apk mod for aosp texting and emoji's so you're not really missing anything going with this route.

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My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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That reminds me... It might have been my imagination but it seemed like the display output was dimmer than stock too.
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Noobla_Khan said:
The only carrot would be that in GE 4.2.2 the TW framework is still there for some reason so some Samsung software(camera app) will get ported over and likely work. In GE 4.3 there does not appear to be TW framework.
Until CyanongenMod gets there software nailed down for S4 I am running this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305752
With this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307355
Running pretty damn nice.
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Thanks for the TrulyClean link. I'll dissect it and see if there's any bloatware that I missed when I manually debloated my own device. I've never felt comfortable running some of these "debloat" scripts, because I'm always afraid that it'll remove something that I actually did want. :/ This is actually the same reason I'm hesitant to try some of these custom, stock-based roms - frequently they make too many modifications from the original ROM, to the point where it's no longer something I desire. In the case of G.E., I tried it because it was at least "stock" on some devices somewhere.
doug0365 said:
My only gripe is that I find the speaker output really low. I'm constantly missing notifications and calls if I'm not right on my phone.
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Have you looked into this yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2293133
Looks like a LOT of work, but might be worth it if it's your only issue with G.E.

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