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Guys,
I've been following the Epson and Novatek threads and it looks like good progress is being made on the fps cap. After playing with my friends Droid Incredible and seeing how silky smooth swiping and games are compared to my Evo, and with lack of 4G in my area, I am considering canceling and returning my Evo in 2 days while I am within the 30 day window. I'm sure other non-devs are in this boat and would really appreciate knowing what confidence level the devs have that they can break the 30fps cap AND keep the camera working once the appropriate drivers/source is out there. In other words, based on the latest information does it appear that the hardware is able, but the software isn't willing (yet)?
FWIW, I have a 003 w/Novatek and it has otherwise been pretty solid. But without 4G, and with this irritation, it is worth it to me to return the device and try Sprint again in 3-6 months if the alternative is to get "stuck" with a device with these limits. As an original G1 owner I know how crappy it can be to have a limitation that caps the capability of an otherwise very capable device (negligible onboard memory was a problem from day 1).
Thanks for helping me and others who may have the same question.
vettejock99 said:
Guys,
I've been following the Epson and Novatek threads and it looks like good progress is being made on the fps cap. After playing with my friends Droid Incredible and seeing how silky smooth swiping and games are compared to my Evo, and with lack of 4G in my area, I am considering canceling and returning my Evo in 2 days while I am within the 30 day window. I'm sure other non-devs are in this boat and would really appreciate knowing what confidence level the devs have that they can break the 30fps cap AND keep the camera working once the appropriate drivers/source is out there. In other words, based on the latest information does it appear that the hardware is able, but the software isn't willing (yet)?
FWIW, I have a 003 w/Novatek and it has otherwise been pretty solid. But without 4G, and with this irritation, it is worth it to me to return the device and try Sprint again in 3-6 months if the alternative is to get "stuck" with a device with these limits. As an original G1 owner I know how crappy it can be to have a limitation that caps the capability of an otherwise very capable device (negligible onboard memory was a problem from day 1).
Thanks for helping me and others who may have the same question.
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One has nothing to do with the other. The camera will be working once HTC releases the source, and it appears they have broken the cap and are probably gonna tweak it little by little.
People stop posting these threads!
Also, yes. It will be fixed and still have camera, but it won't be until we get the real HTC source. There is nothing devs here can do to make them release it faster. It's entirely up to them, but once we get it then we can have a fully working kernel along with fully working AOSP builds.
others may have the same question, but they:
1. read forum rules
2. have common sense
3. use the search button
Admin, move this thread to Q&A please.
Should be in the Q&A
The only reason the camera breaks is because we have to use a custom kernel to remove the FPS cap(and overclock). The custom kernel doesn't have the drivers for the camera because HTC is currently breaking the law and not releasing the source code, once that is released many amazing things will happen with this phone, including but not limited to the cap being removed with the camera and other things working.
HTC's track record on this source code release issue is starting to become fairly worrisome. That said. Yes this should be in the Q&A but at the same time I think you guys need to chill out a bit. He's not just posting another one of those threads, and this one is worded concisely enough that should someone choose to answer it, maaaaybe they could just sticky it over in the Q&A forum and be done with it.
Just saying, reserve the smackdowns for the obvious infractions of laziness.
Oh and as much as we all say use the search, I think it is worth noting that the forums search feature sucks and often still leaves you hooting through fifty pages of the same post just being quoted by someone else but still showing up as it's own result.
I cant help but feel like the fact that with SO many threads going way over the 300 post mark, eventually someone is going to need to write/use something better than off the shelf forum software, or we will forever be stuck tilting at windmills in regards to the "use the search" issue.
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HTC's track record on this source code release issue is starting to become fairly worrisome. That said. Yes this should be in the Q&A but at the same time I think you guys need to chill out a bit. He's not just posting another one of those threads, and this one is worded concisely enough that should someone choose to answer it, maaaaybe they could just sticky it over in the Q&A forum and be done with it.
Just saying, reserve the smackdowns for the obvious infractions of laziness.
Oh and as much as we all say use the search, I think it is worth noting that the forums search feature sucks and often still leaves you hooting through fifty pages of the same post just being quoted by someone else but still showing up as it's own result.
I cant help but feel like the fact that with SO many threads going way over the 300 post mark, eventually someone is going to need to write/use something better than off the shelf forum software, or we will forever be stuck tilting at windmills in regards to the "use the search" issue.
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Thanks for the consideration, Alcaron. I always love how the douches, most of whom have been here for about 3 years LESS than I have, scream "SEARCH" and "MOVE THIS TO Q&A" when, as you noted, the search here has its limitations and moving this to Q&A will GUARANTEE it won't get noticed and another person will follow right behind and ask the same question. Truth is, it is a legit question for devs and usually the crybabies aren't even qualified to answer dev questions anyway.
As you stated, HTC's delay in releasing the source is unacceptable and will probably cost them a RMA thanks to the censors who would rather squelch this discussion. Too bad, especially considering just how compelling the device would be if HTC would support the true wizards with this info.
Mods, move this, leave it, whatever you like, but I expect others want to understand what ffolkes and his peers think and it will be asked again.
The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
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The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
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... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."
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... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."
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then you stop acting like it revolves around you. aren't you technically being "policing" this forum by teling him to stfu? seriously, these topics are coming way too often.
just ask yourself these questions.
does this thread contribute to development for the evo?
no. it's a guy who is telling us "thanks for your work, but i'm returning it cause there's too many problems. though i know you guys'll get it right eventually". look, there's nothing wrong with the post, just please put it in the right section!
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... stfu please ... so is trolling and filling the forum with your spam dictating what the mods need to do ...
MODS = Forum Police ...
YOU = Forum Douche ...
Solution = Mods Police... You just ignore all posts unless you can help out...
P.S. remember these words next time before you click reply: "THE FORUM DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU..."
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I just felt everyone should read this twice, my advice is wait it out.
The EVO even without 4G is superior to the Incredible in my opinion and we will have it fully unleashed very soon.
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then you stop acting like it revolves around you.
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kluster1999 said:
The issue is posting this in the dev section, instead of the Q&A. That's what's inexcusable. Yes, the search function is subpar, but dammit at least re-post in the right section.
This keeps getting called "trivial" but the fact of the matter is when you see it 100 different times, the small annoyances add up to 1 big episode of rage! It's against the forum rules for a reason. Abide by them or leave.
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ROTFLMAO. "Abide by them or leave." Whatever, dude. Maybe you should take a chill pill - or leave yourself.
Again, at the end of the day if you can't handle these types of questions you are in for a lifetime of pain. This isn't a "how do I root my phone" question. This is a question, that in my opinion at least (and guess what, that matters at least as much as yours) should be here for two reasons:
1. it may actually get looked at by devs (versus in general) and
2. it is a legit dev question
Most of the 30fps threads have, at the moment, coalesced around three topics:
1. Which VPA settings give you the most FPS
2. Do we think the MDDI buffer has some hardware cap that is being fooled by some sort of RGB to MDDI bridge which is now either a) working great or b) a placebo effect, depending upon who you believe
3. How the various patches are effecting various hardware rev/panel combinations
At this point, without the source and the possibility of it not being released for months (see Hero), and based upon the discussions, I think it will be at least 3 months until we see a working 50-60fps solution, camera, and HDMI port solution - but I was giving devs a chance to agree or even disagree amongst themselves and to explain their position.
This is the last post I'll waste any time addressing the douches, if someone wants to contribute to the answer feel free to do so, and if you want to complain about the post then no one but the mods can stop you, but i won't perpetuate it.
You should return the device and get something else.
Wow. That all took an unexpected turn.
It's true that dev was the wrong spot to post, but oh well, get over it, they'll never learn..
Id keep it. Well I am, unless news of the epic comes verrrry quick.
Even then. Hard decision.
If you're willing to wait for a truly rewarding phone experience then hold out.
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mrono said:
Should be in the Q&A
The only reason the camera breaks is because we have to use a custom kernel to remove the FPS cap(and overclock). The custom kernel doesn't have the drivers for the camera because HTC is currently breaking the law and not releasing the source code, once that is released many amazing things will happen with this phone, including but not limited to the cap being removed with the camera and other things working.
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On the contrary, the custom kernel does have the drivers for the camera--both cameras actually. I spent about an hour working on the camera last night, and it appears the problem isn't really with the drivers, but we probably have the wrong GPIO tables for it, since we're using the same ones the Incredible uses. I'm not sure how we can get the right tables without the official source, but me and maejrep have been working on it.
We'll update the custom kernel thread if it gets fixed.
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On the contrary, the custom kernel does have the drivers for the camera--both cameras actually. I spent about an hour working on the camera last night, and it appears the problem isn't really with the drivers, but we probably have the wrong GPIO tables for it, since we're using the same ones the Incredible uses. I'm not sure how we can get the right tables without the official source, but me and maejrep have been working on it.
We'll update the custom kernel thread if it gets fixed.
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Awesome Cicatrize, this type of info is exactly what I was looking for.....best of luck to you.
Ugh, the "something about my evo makes me mad so I'm going to get an <other phone>," threads get so old. Do it already, we don't need to hear about it. I personally like my EVO, I like being on Sprint with upgrades every year and good coverage and inexpensive monthly fees ($10 premium data addon be damned,) and I sure as heck know I don't want to lack those things and get tied into a 2-year contract with a $375 termination fee on Verizon or AT&T at the same time that said companies have started to tier data usage.
Please, we need to start CM7. It is not hard at all for this phone, even the vibrant and captivate, which came on eclair have it. And the Galaxy s 2 even has it now. Also the year old Galaxy S 19000 has it. We need to do so.
Hasn't this been discussed several times in the past two weeks? I am pretty sure it has been! It is in the works.
If it is so easy to do then why havent i seen your cm7 rom posted here yet?
and next time dont post **** like this there are like 10 of these damn threads on here.
the devs here are hard at work giving people great roms....so all these *****ing and moaning threads need to stop....if it was so f***n easy people then everyone on here would be posting roms
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Please, we need to start CM7. It is not hard at all for this phone, even the vibrant and captivate, which came on eclair have it. And the Galaxy s 2 even has it now. Also the year old Galaxy S 19000 has it. We need to do so.
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Airfluip, I hope you're trolling.
Ohhh boy are you gonna get flamed for this.
It's not as easy as you think. Vibrant and the SGS4G are very different in many aspects.
Plus you have to consider the dev ratio from here and the Vibrant Forums. There's only like 3 devs on the SGS4G and only one working on CM7. So it wouldn't be fair to compare it to the Vibrant.
Air its really hard cause its just krylon deving it. 1 person! Other phones have like more than a couple. So one person had to make a whole new kernel new mods modems and tweaks. Just really hard. Plus you need to make sure its encoded for cwm flashablw
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I know you make some good posts here, but you seriously sound like someone that thinks they're entitled to these things.
There's some things to consider about getting CM7. One thing is that krylon360 is building this from scratch. All the developers on this forum have mentioned that the SGS4G is very much different from the Vibrant. Another is the popularity of this device. The I9000 and Vibrant have CM7, because they're older and more people have them. Not much people wanted to make the jump to the SGS4G. Although the SGSII is newer, it had so much more popularity than the SGS4G because of its power.
So, all in all, not as easy as you think.
OK, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
A. Somebody rudely accused me and stated that why I didn't make it myself if it is so easy. Answer, because i don't have time as I am a Freshman in High School
B. I didn't even know that krylon was working on one, and I would happily help him when I have free time.
You have to understand that everyone is feeling anxious to use CM7. It has been a while since GB was launched and our phone has been here since Feb.
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OK, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
A. Somebody rudely accused me and stated that why I didn't make it myself if it is so easy. Answer, because i don't have time as I am a Freshman in High School
B. I didn't even know that krylon was working on one, and I would happily help him when I have free time.
You have to understand that everyone is feeling anxious to use CM7. It has been a while since GB was launched and our phone has been here since Feb.
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Yes everyone wants it but not everyone keeps asking where it is and when will it be done. Keep in mind that the sgs4g has about 3 dedicated devs. Dsexton who has his own line of roms Raver who has his own line of roms and I think does not even own the phone and krylon who works in a lot if different projects is building cm7 from scratch and just got the phone. It will come just have patience.
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nope i pay my mom from time to time to test and give u all pics but i dont own the device.. i actually own 0 devices atm lol some days i do get to use the phone if they need to get in cotact with me so .....
come on, guy.. You already knew it was being worked on. You posted almost the exact same question less than 2 weeks ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1206406&highlight=CM7
There is no need to make an entirely new thread asking the same question, especially when there are threads about the actual development of CM7 that you could easily be following. You should probably subscribe the the 2-3 CM7 threads on this forum, to keep yourself up to date.
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Please, we need to start CM7. It is not hard at all for this phone, even the vibrant and captivate, which came on eclair have it. And the Galaxy s 2 even has it now. Also the year old Galaxy S 19000 has it. We need to do so.
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Your sig says CM7 is one of your projects and now you're saying "we need to start." So what does your signature about CM7 actually mean?
It means gtfo and leave me alone i wanna do a high quality rom but you little bastards keep anoying me. (DOT)
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Means, that I got CM7 frameworks and apps to boot up, but it was useless. LOL, so I gave up and I forgot to take it off of my signature.
What happened to the rules, that no one will verbally abuse people.
You guys need to think before you post. Just because you are a dev, doesn't mean you can yell at others. I am also DEVing for the phone, and you guys don't respect anyone here.
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You guys need to think before you post. Just because you are a dev, doesn't mean you can yell at others. I am also DEVing for the phone, and you guys don't respect anyone here.
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You should have used the search feature. To search for a thread you created for CM7. Not a person was being verbally abusive, they were simply stating that there are several threads created on the subject, and one of which was created by you. Put simply, dev or not, if a thread is created on a subject that already exists multiple times, I will point it out. That doesn't mean I don't respect the work you devs do for us.
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If it is so easy to do then why havent i seen your cm7 rom posted here yet?
and next time dont post **** like this there are like 10 of these damn threads on here.
the devs here are hard at work giving people great roms....so all these *****ing and moaning threads need to stop....if it was so f***n easy people then everyone on here would be posting roms
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This is pretty abusive considering that it is very easy to tell who it was directed to.
Point taken, and I do apologize! It is wrong to assume that none of us respect anyone, when there are clearly a majority of us DO respect and appreciate the time and effort you guys put into the phone.
IMO, this thread should just be closed to prevent further flaming.
*Walks into thread and starts knocking stuff over and breaking everything in sight while rambling something about using the search feature and other threads like this exist*
There are no more devs interested on the infuse or y arent we getting anymore roms?
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Because of things like this....
This is not a development thread please post non-development threads in general
Thank you
I believe the reason we aren't getting more is because you aren't making them.
So, stop complaining and get to work.
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There are no more devs interested on the infuse or y arent we getting anymore roms?
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Come on man read and pay attention.
infused infuse helping other infused infuses?
NEO help the miss guided lol
infused infuse helping other infused infuses?
Help like infractiban?
They are waiting for the official Gingerbread release as stated in almost ALL of the dev topics especially the Rom ones...
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Because of things like this....
This is not a development thread please post non-development threads in general
Thank you
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Not even that. Don't post this kind of question, ever.
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Whoa don't gotta be so harsh to the guy. If I remember that's the same reason gtgs post got locked. So he made a mistake ,big deal.
Infuse running infused v2.0.2.
To the OP - It was a legitimate question. To me, it's about development, so should be asked here, but the moderators say questions should be asked in the Q and A section.
When asked a 3 months ago, it was said the lack of ROMs was waiting for Rogers to get GB. That came and went without updates. Now the same is being said for AT&T GB, and we all know the timeline ATT runs on... the government minus 50%.
Either way, there aren't many ROMs for the infuse, so it's kinda just a wait n see thing. I'm sure the couple that have been around will stay around, but ATT's next killer phone is coming out this month or next, so Infuse is going to end up in the graveyard of cell phones past from a development perspective, IMO.
I don't think galaxy will bury the infuse. I think more people down the line will get the infuse cuzz prices will.be cheaper.
Infuse running infused v2.0.2.
iruleyounow said:
I don't think galaxy will bury the infuse. I think more people down the line will get the infuse cuzz prices will.be cheaper.
Infuse running infused v2.0.2.
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I disagree. It's like saying when the iPad 2 came out it made the iPad 1 more popular. Sure, there are some incremental sales because it's discounted, but 95% of the iPads sold within 6 months of launch have been iPad 2.
Just the nature of the beast, that's why when ATT releases proprietary releases it kills the users development ROM options :-(
The reason is because some of the more influential developers have begun looking down on "hey look I can deodex too" ROMs. I personally believe that's the problem. There should be more "hey look I can deodex too" ROMs. Without those, there is no development.
Hey, "hey look I can deodex too" propigators... read this. Pay attention here.
There needs to be more encouragement for those who want to make their own ROMs. It's a pride thing. If someone believes they did a good job, then they will continue to work and do a better job.
I whole heartedly believe that additional ROMs are required. When I get some time I will be making one. I'd like to wait until we get an official or leaked 2.3 source because I'm not a cutting edge type of guy. I'd rather work with a solid base and improve upon it.
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To the OP - It was a legitimate question. To me, it's about development, so should be asked here, but the moderators say questions should be asked in the Q and A section.
When asked a 3 months ago, it was said the lack of ROMs was waiting for Rogers to get GB. That came and went without updates. Now the same is being said for AT&T GB, and we all know the timeline ATT runs on... the government minus 50%.
Either way, there aren't many ROMs for the infuse, so it's kinda just a wait n see thing. I'm sure the couple that have been around will stay around, but ATT's next killer phone is coming out this month or next, so Infuse is going to end up in the graveyard of cell phones past from a development perspective, IMO.
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3 Months ago this phone was but a twinkle it Rogers eye. Stop acting like a fool. As soon as the dev's (gtg) got his hands on the Rogers dump, Infused 2.0 popped up. Others are still working on their GB roms, or they are waiting for AT&T to release it. The CWM build is updated almost daily.
Seriously you have 1300 posts and if this one is any indication, none of them are worth anything.
Guys, calm down on the flaming. That being said, I don't understand the question (which btw, should be in the Q&A section). This phone is still relatively young, and we have bionix, infused, refuse, and now we even have ports for cm7 and miui. The development is about to kick off even more, and I can feel it already. Also, I don't think people who are new to development are afraid to post ROMs. I would love to post ROMs, but I need guidance on how to make them. For me, it's lack of the proper tools and guidance, not shame stopping me from development.
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youre always welcome to make your own roms.
Im with btp i would love to make roms i love doing this stuff i make themes on a daily/weekly bases but i dont.lnow where to start
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most important thing is we need stable roms.
used to have htc inspire and there were plenty of rom and more or less stable.
i feel infuse is not popular right now and Samsung/ATT are also to be blamed for delaying Gingerbread.
but i am counting on the devs who are working on infuse one way or the another.
This is exactly what I DON'T want to see in the development forums. This is a discussion for General, but it started out as a question, so Q&A.
BUT! It's in development. The discussion IS constructive (as long as you people keep playing nice ), so create a thread like this for discussing this in General and you can continue.
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Hey Mates.
As some of you might know, im a developer for the T-Mobile Galaxy S II Which has lots of things that this phone has which means i could do alot of work for this phone. Mods could be easier to port since this phones only has few differences.
If you want to see my work go to the T-Mobile Galaxy S II forums and you will see my ROM which is always the first on the list. I was a dev for the Sensation 4G also, Well Mytouch 4G and Vibrant 3G also.
I would love to develop for this device since i've deved for T-Mobile only. The only thing is that i don't have a penny to by a device for development. It would be very nice if you guys help me get one if you all are interested in me developing for you all. Theres alot of users here so if you all donate what ever you can, it would help. You are not being forced so if you are not interested don't start commenting here saying bad stuff.
Things i could bring here are.
Custom kernels
My actual ROMs sure
CyanogenMOD 7
ICS maybe when source is out.
Mods as CRT and more stuff you guys like.
Some of my work for you to enjoy seeing. This is The Most recent work.
BeastMOD II From TMO SGSII
BeastMOD S v4 For Sensation
Senseless Extreme for Sensation
Hope you guys can help me get this phone. Thanks! ;-);-)
The more the merrier man.
As i have stated for the Third time......
this is a Hard Yes.
i would like to see a Experianced Dev here to bring these things.
So would I! Lets pool it up! PM me w details
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Well im more then willing to dev for you all guys. Real work is what i do.
A Donation pool needs to be started and I would bet it takes off. I would definitely donate some and would love to see your work brought here.
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A Donation pool needs to be started and I would bet it takes off. I would definitely donate some and would love to see your work brought here.
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Could you open it? And thanks brother.
I'd be down to put a little in. Looking forward to a productive community for this phone.
Im not interested in the least...
Nah just kidding. Would be a great addition to a sweet device. Im down to donate
8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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Im not getting paid. I said to help me get the phone to dev on. NOT TO GET PAID. Different things. But what ever my man.
I want to see where im violating rules please. You have a link my dear mod? Because this is more likely a bounty thread. This is not a ROM thread with me asking users to donate or better, asking for my payment as you implied. I dont have this device so i thought i would do this since my current phone has some parts as this phone and i could bring my stuff to it. Now mod tell me where i violated the rules. THANKS
I dont see users saying bad things here. All i see is people willing to help me get the phone.
We used donation pools to aquire devices for multiple devs in the Infuse section, no mods ever closed our fund raising thread.
Melvin I recommend setting up a ChipIn, worked great for Infuse Dev Device Donations. Allows people to see the status of the funds needed and shows your contribution at work
http://www.chipin.com/
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We used donation pools to aquire devices for multiple devs in the Infuse section, no mods ever closed our fund raising thread.
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I know man. Thats why i opened this thread again. It wasnt right for this mod to close my thread.
I will personally commit to donation. Can you help us with any basic simple requests when time allows please
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Commited here, i will DEF "chip in" to get this forum going.
It's on sale for $75 at logicbuy.com right now.
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Commited here, i will DEF "chip in" to get this forum going.
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I see some jnterest here so could one of you open a bounty thread so people see and help? And also to be organized..
BTW can you join my IRC channel #BeasyMOD? Sorry im on my touchpad and dont have link. Its on freenode
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I see some jnterest here so could one of you open a bounty thread so people see and help? And also to be organized..
BTW can you join my IRC channel #BeasyMOD? Sorry im on my touchpad and dont have link. Its on freenode
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Create a ChipIn man, it needs your paypal info and stuff or I'd set it up
I'll sell you mine for 520. I think the battery life is going to piss me off
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Coming from being an iPhone fanboy, I was well aware of the snooty attitudes that are rampant over there. Now that I have a taste of the Android side, I have learned a few things, some the hard way, and one thing I've noticed is how the attitudes are much the same. I have met some cool people with some great ideas and skills, and there are even a few that will answer questions. I get that some get annoyed at the asking of the same questions over and over. However, as a Dev, you should be expecting this. As Android takes more and more market share, new people are coming into this (like me) and trying to learn as much as we can. Some want simple answers, some want more complicated ones. I did a lot of the research myself, watching videos, Google searches, etc. But some people don't know how to, or just aren't computer literate.
XDA is a GREAT resource for information. But like other sites, sometimes you have to word your searches just right or you get nothing close to what you are trying to find out. Not the site's fault, it's just the way search engines are. So a hoard of people head into the threads, asking questions, and mostly getting good answers, But, as I have trolled through, I notice a lot of attitudes coming from devs, or friends of devs as they attack people because they didn't have 4 hours to troll though 500 pages in a thread, reading each and every post. Hoping their question was asked and answered before. If that makes you angry, maybe you should just make your ROMs and share them with a few friends and call it a day. From what I can see, most of the ROMs are pretty much the same in a lot of respects. I know the difference between TW ROMs and AOSP ROMs. I did the homework. I learned the hard way by soft bricking my phone, and I researched and got myself out of that jam thanks to the videos and postings of some nice people. There are a lot of people that don't have the PC skills or the time to do that. And even more that have no idea about message boards and how they work. BTW, the term "flaming" someone is as irritating to me as those people that ask the same questions over and over are to you. This is almost 2013. Terms like that are the exact reason I hate having to use message boards. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are. It doesn't mean they are dumb, they just don't want to learn, or they don't have the time.
I guess I'm trying to say, if you are going to put yourself out there by developing a ROM for free, and then complain because someone asks you a question or bugs you because you haven't updated it, maybe you should just all start charging for the ROMs. I will go back to stock myself, but I'm sure there are a few that will pay to have a few extras a little ahead of time. Then your base will shrink, allowing you to breathe easier knowing you are getting paid for your time. Maybe then, you will have to be a little nicer, more customer friendly. If you don't think you are getting the recognition you deserve, then don't do it. I know many would miss the customization, but they would quickly forget about it and find something else to do. And by the way, I have never had an issue like this. I'm strictly speaking from an observers point of view. Matter of fact, I may start doing some reviews, that will include not only the ROM itself, but the developers attitude when it comes to helping people through their issues. I think people should have the right to know if they are going to get help or not when choosing a ROM or other custom feature.
In closing, a lot of questions could be answered if some threads were created and "stickied" that explain the basic functions and directions dealing with flashing ROMs. It seems a lot of the "bugs" people experience are actually explainable because they had no clue what a clean flash vs dirty flashing was. Or that if you had Nova on one ROM, then flashed another ROM and Nova auto installed along with your other apps, that you would have to uninstall Nova to avoid problems. Or that CM kernels are not compatible with TW kernels and if the new ROM you are flashing doesn't install a new kernel, your new ROM may not be compatible with the one left behind form the old. Stuff like that. Sorry for the long post. Again, I have had no problems with anyone on here, dev or not, I just have seen a lot of this happening. And a lot of the attitudes are from dumb little things. You wanted to make ROMs, we all didn't force you to. And if you stop, others will take your place. I have seen that recently too, as soon as the new Nexus hit, a ton of devs left the SGS3 in the dust. But a few new guys showed up and have done a great job with their stuff. Congrats to them, I have found a good stable ROM because of this, and have received great support from this guy. He also regularly updates and interacts with the people taking the time to possibly brick their device to load his ROM. I hope more of those people show up in the future. Those are the people I will keep following and being patient with.
Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
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Yes, that does seem to be an issue. I notice too that the Original Android Devs are a little more snooty than the TW devs. Just my observation.
Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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You're right, they do deliver them for free. But people are trusting them and risking bricking a very expensive device to try their ROM and push their ROMs on other people. They willingly put themselves out there. We all could buy and use phones without customizing them. I'm just saying they act a little too fancy sometimes. Not all of them. Just a few.
Why is this out of line? I posted this in the general section. If I would have posted it anywhere else you would have said it should be in the General forum. See, you made one of my points for me. And last time I checked, I can say whatever I want. If the forum wants to cut it, fine. I'll deal with it on my outlet. No big deal.
Not going to lie, I think Android fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys from what I've seen. I was on a YouTube channel where a woman was talking about how she got an iPhone after selling her Galaxy Nexus and the comments were, "Go kill yourself iwhore", "Traitor sheep", "iSlut", Dumb bimbo etc. The most I see on Mac rumors are "poorphone" or no apps, or cheap looking. Whereas here, if you say iPhone you'll have a ton of people start calling you a sheep. I don't know, I think its incredible how ignorant some people are. Some people just like other things.
Galaxy SIII/Soon to be Note 2 owner once it comes in ftw.
Oh as an edit. That Instagram thing was awful a few months back when Android got instagram. iOS users were saying, "Oh now we get to see what poor people do" Terrible. Simply terrible.
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Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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I doubt people are giving up in 10 minutes and running for the forums. Most people don't want to risk any of this to possibly ruin their expensive phones. The point is, they put themselves out there and make themselves available on the forums. If they don't want to deal with noobs (which every one of you was at one time or another) then throw up a ROM on some site and leave it. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I figured out a lot on my own too. I have asked very few questions of anyone. But there are a lot of people that don't have the time or knowledge to find all this out on their own. If they are being asked the same question over and over, maybe put those answers in the OP to begin with. I have seen quite a few ROMs posted with very little info in the OPs. They aer banking on everyone knowing what they are doing right off the bat.
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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This. This is the cancer invading xda lately. Ungrateful ****s...
my tapatalk signature sucks more than yours.
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And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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That is why they are guides and info posted in op if bugs and such?
I sure did not post here when I was rooting oh I need some help with adb fastboot Odin what's the problem there are plenty of guides that cover everything
People just tend to give up so easily; that's how lazy the generation has become. Those guides posted helped me out and such. I didn't ask someone else for helped I did this on my own with a guide up on here now I know more than just rudimentary things of the android world I help people out but still gets annoying when you have 5 if the same threads I mean if I could find them why can't they? It's really not that hard.
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This thread is getting heated I see a monitor locking it soon
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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Endorsed.
Replace G1 with D1 and that's my story. I googled. I bricked. I bricked a lot. And I read. End of story.
You make it seem like phone tinkering and flashing are a right, a service if you will. It's not. This is a site for phone geeks to share their work. You should be grateful it's not a paid service. Why fix something that's not broken? If you don't like the way it is, you have plenty of options out there. You are complaining about forums in general - it's not limited to xda.
For the record, your post was pretty good until the last paragraph. Didn't agree with that one, however - that's Ok. Your opinion. Just like this is mine...
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
If they have no desire to make it better, then they should outright say their will only be one release. If they feel someone is being disrespectful, they should be the better person and tell them politely to not be so disrespectful. Just my opinion, and yes I am grateful for all the devs do here.
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
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Constructive criticism is fine. What's annoying (even from a non-dev perspective) is the same question getting asked over and over again. Sometimes a dead horse is kicked up for 4-5 pages. Then once it finally dies down, some dude asks the same question. It's silly and unnecessary. If they Google their question followed by ", xda" they would have found the original answer.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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We spend time to respond to actually have you realize no one is gna be here all the time for you some things you have to be done by themselves, I'm 16 I wonder when you'll realize that. No one is gna be up your ass changing your clothes for you either learn the hard way or just not at all.
I have seen multiple threads of people complaining that their data is gone on cm10.1 and not one has bothered to even look at the op's post clearly showing the way to fix it. They just want the easy way out to ask and have someone redirect them there and I have but it gets tiring doing it over and over and over again.
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Despite me being new to XDA I am not new to the process of rooting android phones. I have been rooting other people's phones before I bought the Galaxy S 3. I don't ask questions in forums I research my own answers to my questions. I noticed the same things as the person who started this thread I just don't see the point in bringing it up as it will continue to happen.
Unlike all the badass geniuses in here I have asked questions since I got my first smartphone less than a month ago.
I think it's pretty stupid how people think they're so cool because they figured out how to root, there are so many details in rooting/flashing ROMs and kernels and these high end smart phones are very expensive especially now because of the **** economy, people just don't want to brick they're phones they invested so much in.
People aren't supposed to know all the bugs in a new ROM they flashed and you guys are giving this "issue" too much priority.
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