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[Q] NO HSPA+/Only EDGE on Simple Mobile

So I bought a Samsung Infuse off Craigslist. I love it, it's awesome. I use the Simple Mobile $60/m plan. I previously had a Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant before the Infuse. I used to run CM7 but used Bionix 1.31 as my ROM on my Vibrant. So I'm familiar with the ends and outs of this technology.
The Situation: Samsung Infuse running latest "unofficial build" CM7, flawless performance. After doing much research as to APN settings on Google and XDA I found that the internet is wrong with the APN settings for HSPA+ on a HSPA+ capable phones. I called Simple Mobile yesterday and we did an OTA (she spoke I listened) configuration of the APN and it's full of IP addresses nao. She said that will allow me to access the "4G" network. The thing is, it says "E" for EDGE at the top for my signal....consistently.
The Problem: The EDGE never changes, also according to various speedtest's I can't EVER break .50kbs DL speed off of WiFi.
So I tried switching out various modems that we're available to me for the Infuse via the CWM flashable's. I've seen NO IMPROVEMENT on data speeds after each modem.
So what exactly is the issue: Am I doing something wrong via XDA material? Or am I just ****ed on HSPA+/4G speeds?

Simple mobile use tmobile towers, so u'll never get anything other than EDGE because att&fee phones dont use the same bands
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bobthq said:
Simple mobile use tmobile towers, so u'll never get anything other than EDGE because att&fee phones dont use the same bands
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You are right and WRONG all at the same time...fascinating isn't it!
Simple Mobile does in FACT use T-Mobile Towers, however; before I rocked the Infuse I've seen other speeds that read 3G/H. The Simple Mobile Network offers 4G/HSPA+ with the $60/m plan that I am currently on.
So with that information, how would you explain that a phone that is HSPA+ capable and programmed correctly that sits on the EDGE network and still doesn't break .50kbs DL speed??
I spoke with customer service at Simple Mobile and several other Simple Mobile retailers that told me up one wall and down the other that the Samsung Infuse programmed correctly should FLY without WiFi, this phone should act like the rocket it claims to be with data on the network.
Instead it is slow, sux and is worthless without WiFi.
So how come you tell me one thing, and several people that work for the Network and people that are affiliated with it tell me another?

Simple because there trying to sell you. Remember its a business?
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Evilspawn said:
Simple because there trying to sell you. Remember its a business?
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I own a business; I know about selling. But according to my research, your a little or alot off; I just can't exactly prove it.
I know that AT&T offers 4Gish speeds (true LTE in like 2 cities in TX), and that T-Mobile offers 3.5+G-4Gish speeds.
I also understand the concept of up-selling, however that scenario does not apply with my current plan and situation.
Has it, or has it NOT been documented ANYWHERE that an HSPA+ capable phone on the $60/m Simple Mobile plan achieved true or realistic data DL speeds off WiFi?

I am no tech or anywhere educated in this topic. But why are you comparing network speeds with your wifi? Or am I missing something here?
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jayson94538 said:
I am no tech or anywhere educated in this topic. But why are you comparing network speeds with your wifi? Or am I missing something here?
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I'm not using WiFi as a comparison, just as another option for higher DL speeds. Off WiFi I've seen snails crawl faster than my data can move.
I just want to know why I can't get anything better than **** with this great phone and supposedly "reasonably-good" network.

Vizone- said:
You are right and WRONG all at the same time...fascinating isn't it!
Simple Mobile does in FACT use T-Mobile Towers, however; before I rocked the Infuse I've seen other speeds that read 3G/H. The Simple Mobile Network offers 4G/HSPA+ with the $60/m plan that I am currently on.
So with that information, how would you explain that a phone that is HSPA+ capable and programmed correctly that sits on the EDGE network and still doesn't break .50kbs DL speed??
I spoke with customer service at Simple Mobile and several other Simple Mobile retailers that told me up one wall and down the other that the Samsung Infuse programmed correctly should FLY without WiFi, this phone should act like the rocket it claims to be with data on the network.
Instead it is slow, sux and is worthless without WiFi.
So how come you tell me one thing, and several people that work for the Network and people that are affiliated with it tell me another?
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They simply dont know wat they r talking about, they r trained within their own company and dont know that other bands exist and not all 4G r on the same band, same for 3G. So i suggest u sell ur phone and get a tmobile phone or switch to ATT. Next time when u buy a phone, insert ur Sim card in and test the network before u pay
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bobthq said:
They simply dont know wat they r talking about, they r trained within their own company and dont know that other bands exist and not all 4G r on the same band, same for 3G. So i suggest u sell ur phone and get a tmobile phone or switch to ATT. Next time when u buy a phone, insert ur Sim card in and test the network before u pay
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The phone was NETWORK LOCKED when I bought it, so I guess I suppose I'm glad you we'rent with my when I bought it lol.
I'll take into mild consideration that a multitude of people may not be aware of alternate existing networks.
The T-Mobile phone I had before licked ****ing sac, my buddy has a Captivate that OVER-SHINED my Vibrant any day of the week - So No, I won't buy a phone from a company that's supposedly being bought out BY AT&T.
From previous quotes: It seems that we are implying that ONLY a T-MOBILE BRAND PHONE can access the 4Gish HSPA+ speeds that Simple Mobile network (that uses T-Mobile towers) and not an AT&T branded phone.
Yes, it's true....the above DOES in fact sound stupid when I put it on paper. AT&T and T-Mobile use the same towers and Simple Mobile/Metro PCS (some other un-explained networks) use the SAME towers.
So how is it, according to posters: That replacing AT&T phone with T-Mobile garbage will allow me to acquire the DL speeds that reference HSPA+/4G speeds. AND NOT, under any circumstances is it possible for an AT&T phone that uses the same towers to get the same outcome?
OK, the last part really does sound stupid, I feel like I'm arguing with a mockingbird. Anyone else have any further to offer?

bobthq said:
Simple mobile use tmobile towers, so u'll never get anything other than EDGE because att&fee phones dont use the same bands
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Actually I re-read this statement. AT&T don't use the same bands, something about T-Mobile uses 850 and AT&T uses 1700.
Would changing the band selection make a difference? How to if possible?

I think u can only change the APN, not the band, the band is hardware, not software. I had the same problem trying to use my Desire HD on tmobile and couldnt get anything more than edge. I did also ask questions here and all i got is the answer i told u. So sell ur phone asap, dont wait until its price drops more
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bobthq said:
I think u can only change the APN, not the band, the band is hardware, not software. I had the same problem trying to use my Desire HD on tmobile and couldnt get anything more than edge. I did also ask questions here and all i got is the answer i told u. So sell ur phone asap, dont wait until its price drops more
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Word, posted on Craigslist and I suppose I'll get an HTC Sensation. Thank-you for your recent clarification.

Yo! You need straight talk to get it working simple mobile uses T-Mobile bands straight talk uses AT&T's network.
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Optimus-Prime said:
Yo! You need straight talk to get it working simple mobile uses T-Mobile bands straight talk uses AT&T's network.
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Will straight talk sim work on not "straight talk phones"?
Which cheapest phone of straight talk I have to buy to get their SIM-card?
I know they selling GSM and CDMA phones and don't want to buy wrong one.

Flat Out answer only the 2G or EDGE bands in the phone are compatible with ATT networks the other bands are different so if you want bettter speeds get att or use wi-fi because edge is all you will ever get no matter what you do to the APN

like on the previous post mentioned, i think most of the att phones doesn't have the radio that is capable of receiving the 3g/4g frequencies tmobile use. i could be wrong, but i think is a hardware problem rather than a setting you can change.

Simple mobile is Tmobile, 3g may never work.
Strait talk is a variety of carriers, depends on,the specific phone. The only known phones that work from the att network and have a Sim that works in other phones are the expensive Nokia smart phones. But those also have a Tmobile variant, I don't know how to tell the difference without looking at the Sim.
There is also consumer cellular, apparently that,is att but I don't know if it's full talk text and Web or how it's billed.

Dani897 said:
Simple mobile is Tmobile, 3g may never work.
Strait talk is a variety of carriers, depends on,the specific phone. The only known phones that work from the att network and have a Sim that works in other phones are the expensive Nokia smart phones. But those also have a Tmobile variant, I don't know how to tell the difference without looking at the Sim.
There is also consumer cellular, apparently that,is att but I don't know if it's full talk text and Web or how it's billed.
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Consumer Cellular is VERY "no-frills" - it's only for VERY light users.
There is no AT&T phone that I know of that supports the 1700 MHz band required for T-Mobile 3G.
The only phone I know of that has pentaband HSPA+ (works on both AT&T and T-Mobile) is the Galaxy Nexus.

When I programmed my HTC Evo 3D i saw various optinos for cdma/eg/4g in CDMA Workshop & QPST Service Programming, what I saw was diferent types of bands and freqz, you might wana check out a phone's specs of tmobile and then check if those specs (frqz & bands) match with the one set on your device...
For example
The Vocoder settings
band prefferences :
band class 0/1/2/3/4/5/ sys a/b/
GSM DSC 1800
GSM extended 900
Etc etc.... check with the device's password on it's profiles and realms (settings I can view on my evo using ##data# )

I can confirm that the issue is with the phones. I just ran a test using my simple mobile card on an AT&T Infuse vs Tmobile Vibrant 4G.
AT&T Infuse
Edge connection with 50kps max
Tmobile Vibrant 4G
3G connection with 240kps max
I will be going to staright talk at the end on this billing cycle.

Unlocked ATRIX 2, currently on T-Mobile. Can I get 4g?

My service bars are full but it has an "E" instead of 2g, 3g, or as I would prefer, 4g. Does anyone know if I will have to root my phone? Or what my limits are considering it is unlocked and working on T-Mobile?
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Im pretty sure you're gonna be stuck with Edge as in the bands are different for 3G and Hspa

I have a friend that has an Atrix 4g unlocked on T-Mobile, and he has claimed to have gotten a 4g signal in one fringe area. He said that it was very spotty at best but it worked. I suspect it was some kind or roam signal he caught, or he was delusional. But Edge is definitely the best you will get since the frequencies are different. There is no fix for that, it is a hardware thing.

Oh wow... that really sucks. Thanks for the answers though. What if I root it or that still wouldn't be able to help? Edge is pretty ****ty service for such a nice phone, which is why I got it... plus I got a hell of a deal on it lol
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Is Atrix 2 unlocked?
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Ashley88 said:
Oh wow... that really sucks. Thanks for the answers though. What if I root it or that still wouldn't be able to help? Edge is pretty ****ty service for such a nice phone, which is why I got it... plus I got a hell of a deal on it lol
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I have heard the same as lilhaiti & JRW 28. Tmobile has different frequencies and the best you're gonna get with a non Tmobile phone is Edge. And as said prior, it's a hardware thing, not software.

Yes its unlocked
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How did you unlock your atrix 2? ive tried dang near everything even a paid site.

T-Mobile will not get 4g. The hardware does not support the signal.band. sorry I had this issue on my hd2. I am att and I never got 3g. That's why I got this phone. Sorry to bring the bad news
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Atrix 2 Unlocked No Signal
I have successfully removed the network lock on an Atrix 2 but gets absolutely no signal/emergency calls only with a T-Mobile sim. When I search for Network providers only AT&T shows. I was wondering if the radio was locked for some reason. Anyone else had this problem?
(For those of you who like to throw out the simplest ideas: Yes T-Mobile has service in the area. Yes: I have done a reset and chaged sims etc..)

guyinyoureye said:
I have successfully removed the network lock on an Atrix 2 but gets absolutely no signal/emergency calls only with a T-Mobile sim. When I search for Network providers only AT&T shows. I was wondering if the radio was locked for some reason. Anyone else had this problem?
(For those of you who like to throw out the simplest ideas: Yes T-Mobile has service in the area. Yes: I have done a reset and chaged sims etc..)
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Have you set the Tmobile apn (acsess point names)
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DarkJatrix said:
Have you set the Tmobile apn (acsess point names)
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That was my thought too. What plan are you on? I read that you can use their 30 dallar unlimited plan when you activate a new sim card.

I still have the hope that at some point after the BL gets unlocked we might get a hacked radio kernel of sorts that will allow use of t mobile bands..... The global 2 did something like this to allow use of t mobile...... One can hope.....

lilhaiti said:
I have a friend that has an Atrix 4g unlocked on T-Mobile, and he has claimed to have gotten a 4g signal in one fringe area. He said that it was very spotty at best but it worked. I suspect it was some kind or roam signal he caught, or he was delusional. But Edge is definitely the best you will get since the frequencies are different. There is no fix for that, it is a hardware thing.
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You can get 4G on T-Mobile, but only in certain areas as of right now. Pretty soon though, after T-Mobile starts utilizing the frequencies gained from the deal going through, you should start seeing more 4G in more places. But we have to wait and see if it actually happens.
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enoch861 said:
You can get 4G on T-Mobile, but only in certain areas as of right now. Pretty soon though, after T-Mobile starts utilizing the frequencies gained from the deal going through, you should start seeing more 4G in more places. But we have to wait and see if it actually happens.
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Idk that the "deal" will allow 4G. Remember tmo and att use different frequencies
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Ashley88 said:
My service bars are full but it has an "E" instead of 2g, 3g, or as I would prefer, 4g. Does anyone know if I will have to root my phone? Or what my limits are considering it is unlocked and working on T-Mobile?
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PS. The 4G HSPA is fake 4G, it is just an enhanced 3G connection. So in reality Hspa = 3G
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I live in Vietnam, and I have a problem with Vinaphone network, added APN, but can only use HSPA (4G icon).
If I switch to GPRS (E icon), it says connected, but I cannot ping pass.
Other network (Viettel) is normal.

Even if the bootloader gets unlocked I still believe it would be a hardware issue not an issue of the radio software. They use the same 2g frequency so you can still get edge, but when it comes to 3g they operate on different frequencies. Some phones are made with the hardware for both frequencies though. My Samsung Vibrant (Tmobile phone) actually had the hardware to be used on AT&T 3g! The radio software was an issue unfortunately and it didn't switch well between 2g and 3g, tried all sorts of radio software but had no luck back then.
From what people have experienced by taking this phone to AT&T though, its looking like the Atrix 2 doesn't have the right hardware for the Tmobile 3g frequency.
I'm not one to say something is impossible though. Who knows.. maybe through the failed merger of AT&T and TMobile, TMobile was somehow able to gain access to some of AT&T's 3g towers (doubtful), since they did gain coverage through the breakup agreement after the merger failed.

jstrayy said:
Idk that the "deal" will allow 4G. Remember tmo and att use different frequencies
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In certain markets, they will get part of the frequency that AT&T uses for 4G. I forgot what bands exactly, but if you do a Google search, you should get more info.
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I'm using unlocked Atrix 2 on T-Mobile. And I did get 4G signal when I was in downtown Bellevue, WA. I didn't believe so I ran few speedtests, best I got on Download was 1501kbps, and 1416kbps Upload, and it wasn't roaming. So yes, it works in few places right now.

want to trade my inspire

Want to trade/sell my inspire to get a different phone... something with around the same specs and screen size. Is a iPhone 3GS better? I need a new phone cause I can't handle the edge connection. I unlokced my ispire for tmobile and that's all I get is edge, I want 3g...
Any ideas or thoughts on good trades...
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Yeah go buy an iphone. Oh wait, you will only get edge with it too. If you want 3G data on T-mobile then buy a T-mobile phone. Try this link: http://www.t-mobile.com

SdRasta said:
Is a iPhone 3GS better?
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You're joking, right?
Seriously though, if you are on T-Mobile, you should be looking for a phone that works on their bands. As far as a trade, I don't know what you could expect to get for an Inspire right now.

I know on cdma theres an app to force 3G on roam and it works pretty good. And there are tweaks for unlocked phones on other networks to force 3G. Is this not possible for GSM?
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Roaming has NOTHING to do with it. T-mobile has it's own distinct 3G data bands that are different from the rest of the world. If you want 3G on T-mobile, get a T-mobile branded phone. Go to the T-mobile link I gave you and look at the phones and their reviews. And this topic has nothing to do with the Inspire let alone the development of it.

How much are you asking for your inspire?
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We arent your financial advisers haha. best thing wouldl be go to tmobile and find a phone that works on their network. google gsm arena, that will get u a site that lists phone specs and you can compare them. research = key.

I have to agree. If you want 3g then get a tmobile phone. Its hat simple.
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4g lte

How's it going everyone I recently decided to get rid of Verizon n the galaxy nexus and bought a HTC one x..
I absolutely love the phone. My question is looking on the coverage map it says att has 4g lte service yet my speeds are much lower than what I had with Verizon. Is it att or is it the phone?
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You are not in LTE. The indicator will say 4G with a small LTE below it. You are in just plan HSDPA in the screen shot you sent. Which is really 3G. Much faster than VZ 3G. Ha. When you get in an LTE area you will see the icon on the bar and you will see the speed big time!

That's weird because from the coverage map it says we have lte
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Not sure what to tell you but you will see the indicator change when you are in LTE. May want to head closer to town or something and see of you see it change.

Appreciate it
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Ok confused again just got off the phone with att. They said I'm in a lte area and that my phone would not say lte it will just say 4g or hspa+
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wellsey1126 said:
That's weird because from the coverage map it says we have lte
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Just because you are in LTE coverage area doesn't mean you automatically get LTE. I'm in LTE area as well but half the time my phone is not on LTE. AT&T's LTE towers are still sparse and coverage is spotty at the best. The buggy radio on HOX doesn't help either.
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wellsey1126 said:
Ok confused again just got off the phone with att. They said I'm in a lte area and that my phone would not say lte it will just say 4g or hspa+
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The CSR is clueless. Your phone will say 4G LTE if you are connected to LTE signal.

I had that problem when I picked up my hox they had to reset the apn or sumn to get the lte to kick in take it n to a att store
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whodat006 said:
I had that problem when I picked up my hox they had to reset the apn or sumn to get the lte to kick in take it n to a att store
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Indeed it wouldn't hurt to check the APN, and also check that LTE is on your account. If your account is not provisioned for LTE, you won't get it.
That said, the coverage maps have always been crap, and are just an approximation of where you get certain coverages. Its no guarantee of LTE, and things like landscape, buildings, etc. can always affect reception. This has been the case since 3G, and probably before that, where people did not have the reception claimed in the coverage maps.

Do i have to go to the at&t store or can they do it over the phone? Reset the apn that is.. Also now that I think about it when I went to Boston I also did not have lte. hmmmmm damn at&t customer service. Was hoping they would be better than verizon.

I went in so I could be like look your display has lte why doesn't mine
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I just want to avoid having to put my phone back to stock take it in than redo everything if possible.

It has to say LTE. My phone as an example.
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Settings > Mobile Network > Access Point Names > menu button > "reset to default"
If you call in to customer care, they can also make sure that you have an LTE data plan over the phone so you don't have to go in to the store.
Although from personal experience (I worked in an AT&T store) in-store service and advice is better than over the phone. I'm sorry the CSR over the phone gave you bogus information.
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Also here is speed test with LTE.
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Check the following :
1. Your phone has the default PTA APN configured on your phone. Don't use other APNs if you want LTE.
2. You have the microSIM from AT&T, not the old SIM you trimed down yourself
If both are true and you get 4G (non-LTE) data service just fine, there is no need to go down to AT&T store for anything becasue your account has been properly authorized (otherwise, you won't even get any data service at all). All you need to do is travel to different locations of your city, reboot your phone and see if you ever see the 4G LTE icon show up.

Gotta assume since they came from Verizon they had to get a sim from att or dealer
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Ok.. So I did the reset... Also checked online at my data plan and it is set for LTE. Looks like I have the pleasure in callin at&t again ..

Have you tried just going to a different location? Go to the ATT store and see if their demo phone is on LTE.

Have att sim n I've traveled never had lte went from va to mass
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No 3G/4G on i535 with a T-Mobile Sim

I'm a T-Mobile user and recently purchased a Verizon Galaxy S3 knowing that it supports sims from domestic GSM carriers. Everything works as it should except I get no 3G/4G even after adding a T-Mobile APN in the settings menu. Can anybody help? I am only getting edge data. The apn im using is epc.tmobile.com. Thank You.

dandog96 said:
I'm a T-Mobile user and recently purchased a Verizon Galaxy S3 knowing that it supports sims from domestic GSM carriers. Everything works as it should except I get no 3G/4G even after adding a T-Mobile APN in the settings menu. Can anybody help? I am only getting edge data. The apn im using is epc.tmobile.com. Thank You.
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You may want to check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013647
Last I remember reading, you could only get edge speeds on T-Mobile with a Verizon Galaxy S3. No 3G or 4G speeds.

landshark68 said:
You may want to check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013647
Last I remember reading, you could only get edge speeds on T-Mobile with a Verizon Galaxy S3. No 3G or 4G speeds.
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Sometimes that's true, mainly because t-mobile 3g 4g relied on an unconventional band to work. However Cleveland (where I live) has been refarmed meaning all unlocked phones can use t-mobile 3g/4g. This seems to be a problem specific to my device.

landshark68 said:
You may want to check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013647
Last I remember reading, you could only get edge speeds on T-Mobile with a Verizon Galaxy S3. No 3G or 4G speeds.
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I'm pretty sure as long as you are on at least 4.1.2 you can just pop in a SIM card and it will work that thread is really old. I am on 4.4.2 and can get edge data by adding in the T-Mobile apn with Samsung's stock apn manager. A little off topic anyone who is curious about t mobile speed my wife got a s5 through t mobile and she gets 50 mbps. I use to get that on Verizon but it has dropped down to around 20 as of late. Can't wait to get my g3 and have decent 4g speeds again. Oh I suppose I should state I live in the Minneapolis area.

ThePagel said:
I'm pretty sure as long as you are on at least 4.1.2 you can just pop in a SIM card and it will work that thread is really old. I am on 4.4.2 and can get edge data by adding in the T-Mobile apn with Samsung's stock apn manager. A little off topic anyone who is curious about t mobile speed my wife got a s5 through t mobile and she gets 50 mbps. I use to get that on Verizon but it has dropped down to around 20 as of late. Can't wait to get my g3 and have decent 4g speeds again. Oh I suppose I should state I live in the Minneapolis area.
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So it's just edge you're getting? Mind if I ask the city where you live? T-mobile has been revamping its network in some places.
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dandog96 said:
So it's just edge you're getting? Mind if I ask the city where you live? T-mobile has been revamping its network in some places.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk but look at the last six words of my last post :silly:

ThePagel said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk but look at the last six words of my last post :silly:
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Very long day. My bad.
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Very long day. My bad.
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Your NEVER going to get it. 3g/4g only edge. And its because Verizon locks down the domestic aws for those us bands on its i535v. And it comes unlocked. So not sure what you mean there. I have mine on straightalk att side. But only get E. And I've tried everything but hanging upside down with tinfoil 3 matches on old sheet and singing amazing grace at midnight with a full moon. No 3g/4g. And oh. BTW. I could throw a rock from my yard and LITERALLY hit an att high speed tower. Sorry..