OK now hear me out, I posted a comment like this in a subforum but I would like to discuss this with other members. When 4G is brought out to all the markets it could theoretically save battery life, now here's my thinking in it...
On 3G now...
Cpu maxed out/ downloading a file (195mb) that's gonna take 60 minutes. For the next 60 minutes my phone is going to be constantly using data with the processor fully throttled. Heavy battery usage.
On 4G...
Cpu maxed out/ downloading a file (195mb) that's gonna take 4 minutes. For the next 4 minutes my phone is going to be constantly using data with the processor fully throttled.
data usage is what kills our phone the most, I believe the lesser time we spend having to download and upload the lesser the strain will be on the battery.
I know alot people are saying that the 4G is a battery killer, but how could it be? Unless there are still bugs in the network. What are your guys thoughts on this?
I think it will be awhile before HTC perfects their 4G radios for mobile use. It won't be the Thunderbolt but it always takes a cycle or two to fully work out a new service. It will only get better. For now, carry a charger.
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JoseGutierrez said:
I think it will be awhile before HTC perfects their 4G radios for mobile use. It won't be the Thunderbolt but it always takes a cycle or two to fully work out a new service. It will only get better. For now, carry a charger.
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I'm not complaining about battery life just talking about the future and why 4G could be a vital part for android and there battery troubles.
4G bugs aren't going to be fixed over night but when it does happen weather your on the Tbolt or next generation LTE device then battery life in general should be more acceptable.
What the Thunderbolt is going through is the reason Apple hasnt put a 4G chip in the iPhone. The technology is too new so nobody has a good grip on it yet. 4G will probably become a standard only when Apple adopts it which may be in 2012.
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4G will probably become a standard only when Apple adopts it which may be in 2012.
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Only when Apple adopts it??
Sorry but that is too funny. All the rest of the cell phone companies are going to have to wait for Apple so that 4g technology can improve/become the standard....
PLEASE
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What the Thunderbolt is going through is the reason Apple hasnt put a 4G chip in the iPhone. The technology is too new so nobody has a good grip on it yet. 4G will probably become a standard only when Apple adopts it which may be in 2012.
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I forgot when Apple was the one to determine who determines what is good and what isn't
4g will definitely help on battery life. I get it constantly where I live, and I have just LTE mode on when I am home. I notice on average I get an extra 2-3 hours out of the phone when on LTE only mode. So with better radio's, more towers, and what the OP said about being able to download faster, people who use the phone more, will probably notice better battery life. Where the people who don't use it so much, might not notice much of a difference.
scassel said:
Only when Apple adopts it??
Sorry but that is too funny. All the rest of the cell phone companies are going to have to wait for Apple so that 4g technology can improve/become the standard....
PLEASE
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Rofl. +1. Apples battery life has nothing to do with the network. The reasons why they have great batter life is smaller screen, no widgets, no third party syncs, and there processor is underclocked. Have you heard apple say that iphone 4 is a 1ghz processor, I know it's the same chip as the ipad but it's not clocked the same.
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I forgot when Apple was the one to determine who determines what is good and what isn't
4g will definitely help on battery life. I get it constantly where I live, and I have just LTE mode on when I am home. I notice on average I get an extra 2-3 hours out of the phone when on LTE only mode. So with better radio's, more towers, and what the OP said about being able to download faster, people who use the phone more, will probably notice better battery life. Where the people who don't use it so much, might not notice much of a difference.
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Thank you that's the information I needed.
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Thank you that's the information I needed.
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Don't quote me on that lol, thats just how I feel about it. I agree completely with the "less download time = better battery life". But anything else, just my opinions, but I truly do believe that it will help.
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Don't quote me on that lol, thats just how I feel about it. I agree completely with the "less download time = better battery life". But anything else, just my opinions, but I truly do believe that it will help.
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Lol I gotcha ya, I won't quote ya, but it's good to see that someone with 4G is noticing improvements that I speculated on.
To move back on topic one should also note that 3g is 800mhz/1700mhz while 4g is only 700mhz. One would assume that once the lte bugs are worked out that we would get better battery life based solely on the fact that it is a lower frequency.
These are all very good points. I just think manufacturer's should relax with the dual core processor's and invest in battery technology. I mean a 1GHz single core snapdragon can run almost anything. Plus theirs overclocking. So I think we're all set on processor speed for a while.
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To move back on topic one should also note that 3g is 800mhz/1700mhz while 4g is only 700mhz. One would assume that once the lte bugs are worked out that we would get better battery life based solely on the fact that it is a lower frequency.
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Dude you have it ALL wrong. Verizon's 3g is on 1900 and not 800/1700.
Yes, LTE is on 700.
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To move back on topic one should also note that 3g is 800mhz/1700mhz while 4g is only 700mhz. One would assume that once the lte bugs are worked out that we would get better battery life based solely on the fact that it is a lower frequency.
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This is the only reason why it would bring better battery life in the long run. 700mhz spectrum is supposed to be less battery intensive vs the current spectrum. But it'll take lots of tweaking of the silicon radio chips like they did with 2g/3g to perfect it. Might not be till early 2012 till we start seeing it not as battery intensive in NEW devices. But radio updates will help too. That is my understanding of it.
Not sure about it saving battery life, but battery will get better than its current state. Along with updates and more towers added, the better the reception and better the battery life. It's weird how WIFI drains battery on 3G, but helps it on 4G.
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Not sure about it saving battery life, but battery will get better than its current state. Along with updates and more towers added, the better the reception and better the battery life. It's weird how WIFI drains battery on 3G, but helps it on 4G.
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When connected to wifi on 3g, it helps to extend battery. It is only when it is constantly searching and unable to connect that kills battery. I would think it would be the same on 4g but that is just a guess.
My battery last all day and I use 4G all day with the stock battery.
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in Theory yes lte will be more efficient than 3g. just give it time.
LordLugard said:
Dude you have it ALL wrong. Verizon's 3g is on 1900 and not 800/1700.
Yes, LTE is on 700.
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Woops. thanks for the correction!
I can't see how it would be a no here. I mean look at 2g and 3g. I can't imagine the need for a 5g any time soon as I can hardly max out my 4g when tethering and trying. It's faster than cable internet here and my cable is fast >_>
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I have the Atrix 4G and am having too many issues with it. So I was thinking of transferring over to the Inspire.
Few questions:
-Hows the battery?
-Are the data speeds any better than the Atrix?
-Does the UI and the OS run smoothly?
UI is solid and runs well. Battery is good if you treat it nicely as far as wifi, data and brightness. Can't tell you anything about data speeds vs. Atrix. What kind of issues are you having with the Atrix?
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UI is solid and runs well. Battery is good if you treat it nicely as far as wifi, data and brightness. Can't tell you anything about data speeds vs. Atrix. What kind of issues are you having with the Atrix?
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The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.
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The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.
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HSPA+ wont be deployed til next month.
Just picked mine up today. LOVE it so far. Noticed that it seems to charge much faster than my friend's Incredible and doesn't seem to drain as quickly. This phone is infinitely better than the Captivate I returned. The only thing I miss at all is Swype. Gonna install that later today.
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there are people installing swype and they are saying it works well. I personally have never got to the point where I liked it. It just made me have to think too much when trying to compose anything but to each thier own...
I've had the Inspire for almost a week now.
Hows the battery?
- The battery isn't as bad as I thought. You still have to babysit it, though. Turning the desplay down and staying on top of Bluetooth and Wifi usage will help. I can get through the day with only 1 charge. 1 Push email, 2 other emails @ 30 min. syncs, half dozen calls, moderate texting, and moderate web browsing.
Are the data speeds any better than the Atrix?
- Don't have the Atrix to test. There are reviews on the web that have tried and tested both. It'd be best if you try to find those to make a conclusion. Keep in mind though, data speeds are only as could as the carrier. In this case, we're dealing with the Death Star. Read into that what you may.
Does the UI and the OS run smoothly?
- The US and OS run as smooth as warm butter over toast. Many reviews online also report the same. I see no lags. The 2nd generation Snapdragon processor definitely helps. You won't be disappointed in OS speed.
As for switching between the Atrix, you may need to look into battery life depending on how you use your phone. As far as data speeds, do a little research as I don't know the answer. You won't be disappointed with the Inspire though. I LOVE the phone!
I exchanged my inspire and got the atrix; big mistake. I had to go back to radio shack to get my inspire back. The atrix is not for me. I like HTC and sense.
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I am absolutely loving my inspire. Especially since I rooted and installed a custom Rom and overclocked kernel.
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I've never used the Atrix, but the Inspire is amazing. I took my phone off the charger this morning at ten and still have 48% left. This is with moderate texting, web browsing, market, and just messing around with the operating system, so the small battery doesnt affect me that much.
I'd go with it.
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I've never used the Atrix, but the Inspire is amazing. I took my phone off the charger this morning at ten and still have 48% left. This is with moderate texting, web browsing, market, and just messing around with the operating system, so the small battery doesnt affect me that much.
I'd go with it.
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I use my phone A LOT. I text, video chat, download apps, listen to music, call people, play games, and watch movies. So I think ill stick with the bigger 1930mAh battery in the Atrix.
Thanks though
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The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.
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That is not your phones fault. It's att they locked it out of hsupa untill may. Same with inspire.
Battery is better than with mycaptivate. This phone rocks.
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Hows the touch screen keyboard?
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Hows the touch screen keyboard?
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I've been attached to a physical keyboard for years. I decided to let it go cause I wanted the Inspire, and I've found the keyboard very easy to get used to.
Magic_Bunny said:
I use my phone A LOT. I text, video chat, download apps, listen to music, call people, play games, and watch movies. So I think ill stick with the bigger 1930mAh battery in the Atrix.
Thanks though
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The Inspire "only" has a 1230 mAh battery, but it's also a single-core, extremely efficient CPU. Talk time is rated about the same for both phones, but the standby on the Atrix is much, much lower (372 vs 250 hours, according to gsmarena). What does that mean? I suspect it means the Inspire is much kinder to it's battery.
Having said that, I rebooted my (mostly) stock phone today, and noticed the battery life was much, much worse. Loading Advanced Task Killer** I saw there were about 30 running apps, with about 111mb free. Killed the non-essentials, and things seem better now.
** I don't advocate task killers, and I never use them in automatic mode-- they are useful occasionally, though.
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I've been attached to a physical keyboard for years. I decided to let it go cause I wanted the Inspire, and I've found the keyboard very easy to get used to.
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Ok, I was asking because its the same with me. I really prefer a keyboard but I dont really think I want the LG Quantum (I have an upgrade coming up and I think im gonna go with the Inspire) so the inspire is the phone I'm considering, but I was never big on touch screen keyboards because of response and ease of use. Plus, all of my recent phones have been windows phones, but I wanna try an Android powered phone. As long as I can sync my contacts from Outlook and create word docs im fine.
i have the inspire and love it
im watching this right now
youtube com/watch?v=bf_w_BC-I68
apparently i cant post links
I really enjoy the Inspire. My battery life was ok until I loaded CM7 on it. Once I did that, my battery life improved astronomically. I'm torn between my iPhone 4 and Inspire. I wish there was a way to cross them because there are aspects I truly love about both.
Task killers are gay, they don't anything helpful. Not with Android 2.1 and up... they're useless. Android operating system.knows what processes to keep and kill when needed... freeing up RAM on an Android OS is not necessarily a "good" thing. Just saying.
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i have the inspire and love it
im watching this right now
youtube com/watch?v=bf_w_BC-I68
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Great link.. I don't regret my purchase
So, with all this talk of over clocked/undervolt kernals, smartass gov, setcpu, and juicedefender, I was wondering what the definitive way to optimize battery is (without doing a bump charge).
I dont need any crazy quadrant scores or anything. I just need a phone that can play the occasional game here and there, surf the web, and text message; all while being lag free.
I have done all the "normal" battery savings like turning off 4g (live in 3g only area anyways), backlight lowered, no live wallpaper, ect. My question is what is the "best" method for squeezing out the most juice?
I know there are MANY opinions as to what the best is, but I thought I would poll the masses here and get their 2 cents on the subject.
Well, I pay attention to my current widget. There's certain areas where battery drain is a problem with mobile data turned on. I turn off mobile data when I'm in those areas. Being mindful of that has been the #1 battery saver for me. In fact, I even run with automatic brightness instead of a very low brightness setting and I get better battery life now than before.
I seem to get better battery on lower, mainly because when I do auto, it goes full blast most of the time, and likes to switch about 20 times from high to low while im texting.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.) works best. I know kernals seem to give better performance and battery to some, but I read some of the kernal builds have some hiccups still.
Just wondering what you guys have found is best and most stable of the "detailed" methods.
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Of course, I do as well. I was just saying that turning off mobile data in the areas that tend to cause my phone to draw 700+mA saves a significant more amount of power than turning the screen to low.
I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.)
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Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.
NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.
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I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
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I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!
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Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.
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Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.
hehe...
This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Never mind. I guess the thread title was fine "battery optimization". But those gas/hybrid nerds (like me) love using the term hypermiling.
I like using setcpu profiles or custom kernels
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Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.
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6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
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This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Battery optimization is just a term I figured work, but hypermiling sounds pretty sexy Increases your battery mileage of course!
I'm using Superpower to disable data connection when the screen off. Seems to be working well.
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6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
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Never game, 2 gmail accounts, fb few times a day, no twitter, net 2-3 times a day. This is stock sense on the phone though. Thats why I was looking into the dif roms to see what battery life was like with dif kernel on it. I will prob root and toss a rom on there to see if it gets me better life (which im sure it will), but considering waiting until the 16th (rumor out that fairly big update coming and want to see if that may help at all).
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I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!
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Tutorial on Tasker CPU profiles can be found here
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NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.
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This really is the best way to save battery at the moment.
I made my battery last the whole day after I installed Automatic Task Killer from the market. It kills selected processes as long as the screen is off. I get home after 9 hours at work and I still have ~40% battery left. Before I installed Automatic Task Killer my TB was dead after 9 hours.
There is so much random bloatware on the TB from vzw that it eats the battery fast. I just need to root I had a Eris on a custom ROM before the TB and I could go 2 days easy without a charge.
This seems to be a fix for the time being. Too bad there is no way for developers to make a one click root like on the Eris. I will have to bite the bullet and do it the old fashioned way.
Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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X2
and what is suppose to happen with this update?
I use an app called System Panel that's got all kinds of nifty information available to the curious.
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Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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They are all just rumors (like any other update/upgrade "news") but...
http://htcsource.com/2011/03/rumour-htc-thunderbolt-to-get-gingerbread-update-in-q2-2011/
http://technology.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979166628
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/03/27/htc-thunderbolt-getting-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-in-q2/
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-thunderbolt-getting-gingerbread-by-summer-20110326/
I have this in my review post but wanted to call it out separately to see what others are experiencing. My G2’s best speedtest.net score is 10289 down and 1582 up. The average is in the mid-8’s down and about 1.2mb up. The best score on the G2X is 7013 down and 1263 up. Average is in mid-6’s down and 1mb up. I took the tests at the same time and after the G2X was loaded with the identical apps and configuration that was on my G2. I know both sets of numbers are good compared to some areas of the country, but if the percentage of degradation is the same everywhere the slower the connection the worse the G2X will perform compared to other T-Mobile 4G phones. I'm guessing it's either LG's implementation of the radio hardware and/or software. I'm hoping it's the latter which can be fixed via an update.
I got 8 at tmobile where the myt4g only got 6... Id say its good..
different days have different uses and network clog, one days worth of testing wont prove enough.
try at night, and again tomorrow
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different days have different uses and network clog, one days worth of testing wont prove enough.
try at night, and again tomorrow
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They were done side by side. So any network congestion would have effected both equally. They're also configured identically, unlike units tested in a store which are stock.
Wow you guys are lucky, I was getting 3 down on the G2 and am getting about 4.5-5 down on the G2x
7 down seems fine enough to me on a mobile phone.
Anyways point being i'm seeing higher speeds locally on my 2x compared to my G2, so who knows.
I get anywhere from 4-7 MB/s down and a solid 2.5-3 Up on my MT4G in vegas..
I'd check my G2x speeds but I boxed it up and it's going back because backlight bleed issue is worse than most I've seen here. Hopefully the next will be a little better.. I can live with a little, not a lot.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't really care if my phone is pulling 2mbps or 10mbps. When I'm surfing the web, everything loaded quickly. When I installed Dungeon Defenders, the update was done downloading in around 5 minutes. Considering it was over 100mb, that's more than acceptable to me.
Does tmo charge extra for 4g like sprint or veriz?
That would upset me if i paid for it. If not then........
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Does tmo charge extra for 4g like sprint or veriz?
That would upset me if i paid for it. If not then........
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No they don't...
My Lg G2X is getting on average 7mb DL and 1.5mb UL. My MyTouch 4G is getting 6mb DL and 1.3mb UL. Same apps, time and location. The LG G2X is faster.
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But Its also capped at 5GB and then goes to dial up speed after the 5GB, where as on Sprint %100 unlimited.
Oh c'mon.......
I'm starting to agree with the "I turn my phone on vibrate and won't cut my chicken" guys.
This thread is just ridiculous. Seriously are you TRYING to find things to complain about. These silly data rate comparison threads come up every time a new official rom is released for any phone as well. One guy says it's far worse than before, the next guys says it's the best ever!!! The point is, unless you want to continue your little test in 100 different locations at 100 different times of the day, you're not doing a reasonably analytical test. This is why no two people will ever agree on the results of one persons "scientific" test.
I'm sure the results are "real" to you, but they don't really matter to anyone else.
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This thread is just ridiculous. Seriously are you TRYING to find things to complain about...
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First, here a quote from the TechCrunch review:
A quick note on the network speed. The G2x is, like the G2, kitted out for T-Mobile’s “4g” HSPA+ network. The G2 got around 9Mb/s down in my neighborhood, with around 3Mb/s up. The G2x reliably goes at half that rate – between 3 and 5 megabits down and around 1.5 up. Not exactly the lightning-fast advertised speeds, but they were fairly consistent and for all the usual uses it was quite fast – loading pages and games in the browser or downloading apps, that is to say.
So, I'm not crazy. And to expect T-Mobile's self-proclaimed flagship to outperform an older slower phone (the G2) isn't an invalid expectation. Having a super fast processor and a slower connection nets you about the same performance as a slower processor and faster connection when streaming video. My G2 actually plays Hulu faster than my G2X over 4G. On top of that, the G2X is silly fast over Wi-Fi so it's not the phone, it's the implementation of the radio. I like the phone but I'd really like to see it reach its full potential. If you (or anyone else) are fine with it the way it is then you should really have no interest in this thread anyway.
It's Tmobile... not the phone.
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First, here a quote from the TechCrunch review:
A quick note on the network speed. The G2x is, like the G2, kitted out for T-Mobile’s “4g” HSPA+ network. The G2 got around 9Mb/s down in my neighborhood, with around 3Mb/s up. The G2x reliably goes at half that rate – between 3 and 5 megabits down and around 1.5 up. Not exactly the lightning-fast advertised speeds, but they were fairly consistent and for all the usual uses it was quite fast – loading pages and games in the browser or downloading apps, that is to say.
So, I'm not crazy. And to expect T-Mobile's self-proclaimed flagship to outperform an older slower phone (the G2) isn't an invalid expectation. Having a super fast processor and a slower connection nets you about the same performance as a slower processor and faster connection when streaming video. My G2 actually plays Hulu faster than my G2X over 4G. On top of that, the G2X is silly fast over Wi-Fi so it's not the phone, it's the implementation of the radio. I like the phone but I'd really like to see it reach its full potential. If you (or anyone else) are fine with it the way it is then you should really have no interest in this thread anyway.
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Well i think any potential buyer wikl check out this thread. My vibrant was horrible with reception.
My old g1 got double the signal.
So ill report my findings tomorrow and hope its better than my vibrant.
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I have the G2x for the 14 day trial period to test it out and see if the network suits my needs (possibly switching from Verizon). I never really speed tests this often, but I feel it is necessary so I can get an idea of the speeds based on my frequent locations. Verizon is too slow in some key areas for me.
I was surprised to see people talk about 7mb down on T-Mobile, because on the G2x for the few days I've had it, I have yet to see more than 1.5mb down. This is in all different areas and with a full 4G signal. One time a full signal on 4G was much slower than 1 bar of 4G - that never made sense to me? The phone stays on 4G pretty much all the time and even with a full 4G signal, I average about 500kbs down.
I'm hoping it's the phone/software... because if the network performs better than what it does now, I would be much more impressed with the network and would be more inclined to switch. It seems to work okay with basic browsing, but at times it does show that it's slow (like when downloading apps from Market).
Well coming from evolution on sprint I am 100% happy. No BS I was getting .12mbps on sprint 3g and on the rare occasion I got 4g I would avg around 6. But 4g was really limited in the dfw area and battery life was garbage. I'm running cm7 with stock kernal.
With the g2x for the first few days I'm getting 5-7mbps with peaks of 11. And the battery life is immensely better. I haven't transferred my acct from sprint because I wanted to test and so far I'm blown away.
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I've noticed with at least my Infuse that whenever I have my Wifi on I have significantly lower battery drain than when I have it off. I'm currently running Aeon 1.4 with Entropy's kernel but have noticed this with other kernels and ROMs that I've used. Screenshot attached showing that pretty much as soon as the wireless is turned off the battery usage takes a sudden drop and continues until it comes back on. Is there an issue with my phone or are there some settings that I should be aware of and try changing to remedy the issue?
I tried searching around before I made this thread and couldn't find anything that had the same issues I've been having. Any input would be appreciated.
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I've noticed with at least my Infuse that whenever I have my Wifi on I have significantly lower battery drain than when I have it off. I'm currently running Aeon 1.4 with Entropy's kernel but have noticed this with other kernels and ROMs that I've used. Screenshot attached showing that pretty much as soon as the wireless is turned off the battery usage takes a sudden drop and continues until it comes back on. Is there an issue with my phone or are there some settings that I should be aware of and try changing to remedy the issue?
I tried searching around before I made this thread and couldn't find anything that had the same issues I've been having. Any input would be appreciated.
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I see what you are talking about, however I think the issue is less with your wifi being off as it is with your cell signal being low. Looking at the cap you provided I can see where in the second wifi off period you could think that the wifi was your problem, but look at the first. you have the same drain with the wifi off as you do with it turned on (practically). Change the modem. Find one that works great in your area, because with the modems for the infuse newer is not always better. Also you can try one of those little RF booster things that go on your phone behind the battery to boost signal. I know they seem like a scam, but they do sometimes give just enough boost to keep a phone from searching for signal when it should have great signal. But try flashing a new modem first.
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I see what you are talking about, however I think the issue is less with your wifi being off as it is with your cell signal being low. Looking at the cap you provided I can see where in the second wifi off period you could think that the wifi was your problem, but look at the first. you have the same drain with the wifi off as you do with it turned on (practically). Change the modem. Find one that works great in your area, because with the modems for the infuse newer is not always better. Also you can try one of those little RF booster things that go on your phone behind the battery to boost signal. I know they seem like a scam, but they do sometimes give just enough boost to keep a phone from searching for signal when it should have great signal. But try flashing a new modem first.
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I'll have to start looking around for a new modem, currently I'm on UCLB3; my only concern is this is the only modem to provide me with a quick GPS lock and I don't want to lose that ability. Thanks for the suggestion
Check the modem thread. I had some great luck with an older one (k1 I think it was). I have since passed on my infuse to my son, and I can ping his location within 15 yards in under 2 minutes. I have a post over there where I got 5 days of battery life and it should tell you the modem I was using as well as rom and other info about the setup I had.
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I found it for you, it was in the battery tips and tricks thread, buried away.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23402471&postcount=32
I also added a picture of your screenshot to my original post here so you can see where the wifi and the signal are at more accurately on the battery meter.
Thanks for the link, I'm actually using ADW Launcher Ex right now and by the looks of it I shouldn't. Though I don't think I'm ready to spend the money on esf shell; are there any other recommendations for launchers that aren't as much of battery hogs?
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If you have an ics based rom apex is nice. Launcher pro plus for gb is good IF you don't use the LPP included widgets.
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If you have an ics based rom apex is nice. Launcher pro plus for gb is good IF you don't use the LPP included widgets.
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Giving FTL Launcher Lite a shot, if it doesn't work out or if it's not recommended I'll try out Launcher Pro, thanks again!
I tried it for a couple days, was not my cup of tea. But it had outstanding reviews so I gave it a shot. I think I ended up going to LPP or ADW with the infuse.
A few other things to check are: Make sure your phone is not always scanning for wifi networks.
If you are in an area of low cell signal and don't need your phone to call people, flip on airplane mode.
Turn off auto brightness... use the power widget (or the 17 notification toggle tweak) to change your brightness between 10% (low light) 20% (medium light) and full (when in bright daylight conditions).
There is somewhere a tweak to turn off H+ and 3G when not in those service areas, find it, use it. (Google *#*#4636#*#* or is it *#*#3646#*#*... idfk one of those...
Check your sns sync schedule for short times. Set them to a longer interval or off. You should check ALL sync schedules for this, calendar is a major culprit of this, even if you don't have one setup.
Install "badass battery monitor" use it to check wake locks and battery voltage and temp. It has a great "battery sucker" feature that will tell you what is draining your battery.
NEVER USE AUTO APP KILLERS! They do more harm than good. Hold home and open the task manager and kill the apps yourself. It will take 15 seconds and if you do it for 3 days a few times a day, it becomes a habit. Don't be all grrr and do it 60000000 times a day. Just every now and then.
If you have installed a few apps and launchers that didn't work out for you, I would say booting into recovery and clearing the cache or a reset are in order. Uninstalls rarely remove everything they should and leave behind bits of code that will suck your battery like a hidden mosquito you can never swat.
Probably the most helpful tidbit anyone can give you is to not stress over the battery life constantly. You have a wonderful device that you have spent a lot of time customizing to look the way you want it to look. The more you stress over the battery the more you will check it, turning on that big beautiful screen sucking even more life from it. Making user error the major battery sucker in the equation... You wanted that beautiful beast, enjoy it.
Sorry so long, but trying to be thorough and helpful. These are the major tips I used to get 5 days from my phone. But honestly after day 2 or 3 I started really cracking the whip and refused to use my phone for anything other than texting.
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There is somewhere a tweak to turn off H+ and 3G when not in those service areas, find it, use it. (Google *#*#4636#*#* or is it *#*#3646#*#*... idfk one of those...
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Looking around I can't seem to find this, does it just disable all data when there's no service? Sounds great if it does.
No it just drops you down to edge.
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Here ya go...
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Here ya go...
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Fantastic, thanks a lot
So how has your battery been? Updates?
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So how has your battery been? Updates?
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Its been about the same, possibly a bit better. I've been using the battery app you mentioned to find what's causing the drain and kinda working with it from there. However I was in an area with roaming for a week so I can't give an accurate conclusion.
The BCM4330's standby drain is extremely low. In addition, when active, it requires FAR less energy per byte of data transferred than the cell radio.
OF COURSE background syncs are going to use less power over wifi than over the cell radio.
The whole "turn your wifi off" to save power became invalid over a year ago. (Exception: If the wifi chip misbehaves, such as the infamous BT-AMP bug, but I haven't seen that in many months.)
Here a couple of threads I found regarding this mystery drain.
From the past:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224052&highlight=battery
Here is the i9000 battery drain issue I was refering to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039696
The last few pages hinted that the problem may have been fixed in later gb builds.
Our custom kernels was based of Roger's 2.3.3.
Would the bug be still in it?
Could this be why we (at least me anyway) are still seeing this?
Does CM10 gets the HTC One X to the level of a Nexus device?
I'm trying to decide which cellphone to buy an HTC One X or a Nexus 4...
In my country I can get the HTC One X cheaper (the at&t version with lte) ... but I would like to have a great android expierence on jellybean.
=)
Both devices have their trade offs.
Specifically about CM10, it's pretty good, but AOSP roms have pretty bad battery life on the HTC One XL.
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Both devices have their trade offs.
Specifically about CM10, it's pretty good, but AOSP roms have pretty bad battery life on the HTC One XL.
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Thanks for the reply... It is good to know about the battery life.... I'll probably get the nexus 4.
Thanks! =)
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Thanks for the reply... It is good to know about the battery life.... I'll probably get the nexus 4.
Thanks! =)
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In general any non native code roms (in this case aosp) are going to have more problems/run less smooth/have worse battery. For instance on my sgs3 no matter what the battery on cm10 was always worse no matter the usage versus touch wiz.
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In regards to battery life I echo the above comments. With stock speeds I got worse battery life on cm10 than I do on a sense rom overclocked to 2ghz with both cores on.
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I love my One X (ATT Branded) but I bought mine when SG3 and Nexus 4 was not available. It fit the bill and I needed a new phone at the time as I was traveling and didn't want to take my iPad as my personal device. Take note, Nexus 4 4G may not work in all countries. Look at some threads. If that is not an issue, I would get Nexus 4. In some countries like the US, with a contract, you can get One X for dirt cheap.
I personally disagree with aosp ROMs getting worse battery life. Me and my wife both have one x and she's running a sense ROM while I'm running aosp and we get around the same battery life. It all really depends on your usage.
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I personally disagree with aosp ROMs getting worse battery life. Me and my wife both have one x and she's running a sense ROM while I'm running aosp and we get around the same battery life. It all really depends on your usage.
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I think the biggest difference is standby time - CM10 definitely drains faster in standby than Sense. I'm not sure if this is due to Sense's aggressive process management or something in AOSP. People who use their phones more actively are less likely to notice a battery life difference. If, on the other hand, your phone is asleep most of the day and you only wake it occasionally, it'll seem like a bigger hit.
That said, I find that the experience of AOSP is definitely worth the battery life trade-off.
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I think the biggest difference is standby time - CM10 definitely drains faster in standby than Sense. I'm not sure if this is due to Sense's aggressive process management or something in AOSP. People who use their phones more actively are less likely to notice a battery life difference. If, on the other hand, your phone is asleep most of the day and you only wake it occasionally, it'll seem like a bigger hit.
That said, I find that the experience of AOSP is definitely worth the battery life trade-off.
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I agree with you, people that CAN change the rom its beacuse they USE more the phone...
Battery life and mobile data download/upload speeds are noticeably lower than Sense. For example, with 1 bar of H+ on Sense, I get about 1.5 mbps. On CM10, I get around .5 mbps.
However, CM10 is much smoother, faster, and (usually) more stable. Wonderful ROM. Highly recommended for a non-Sense ROM.
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I think the biggest difference is standby time - CM10 definitely drains faster in standby than Sense. I'm not sure if this is due to Sense's aggressive process management or something in AOSP. People who use their phones more actively are less likely to notice a battery life difference. If, on the other hand, your phone is asleep most of the day and you only wake it occasionally, it'll seem like a bigger hit.
That said, I find that the experience of AOSP is definitely worth the battery life trade-off.
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Totally agree, with almost the same apps and stuff Sense can stand by 10 hours draining only less than 5 percent while CM10 drains almost 20 percent. But now the CM10 is quite solid, not that buggy and I really like the stock Android feeling and Google Now, so I'm running CM10 without complaint. PS. Sense Camera is waaaayyyyyyy better
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