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Battery Optimization

So, with all this talk of over clocked/undervolt kernals, smartass gov, setcpu, and juicedefender, I was wondering what the definitive way to optimize battery is (without doing a bump charge).
I dont need any crazy quadrant scores or anything. I just need a phone that can play the occasional game here and there, surf the web, and text message; all while being lag free.
I have done all the "normal" battery savings like turning off 4g (live in 3g only area anyways), backlight lowered, no live wallpaper, ect. My question is what is the "best" method for squeezing out the most juice?
I know there are MANY opinions as to what the best is, but I thought I would poll the masses here and get their 2 cents on the subject.

Well, I pay attention to my current widget. There's certain areas where battery drain is a problem with mobile data turned on. I turn off mobile data when I'm in those areas. Being mindful of that has been the #1 battery saver for me. In fact, I even run with automatic brightness instead of a very low brightness setting and I get better battery life now than before.

I seem to get better battery on lower, mainly because when I do auto, it goes full blast most of the time, and likes to switch about 20 times from high to low while im texting.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.) works best. I know kernals seem to give better performance and battery to some, but I read some of the kernal builds have some hiccups still.
Just wondering what you guys have found is best and most stable of the "detailed" methods.

footballer62 said:
I seem to get better battery on lower
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Of course, I do as well. I was just saying that turning off mobile data in the areas that tend to cause my phone to draw 700+mA saves a significant more amount of power than turning the screen to low.
I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.)
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Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.

NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.

Zshazz said:
I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
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I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!

Zshazz said:
Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.
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Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.

hehe...
This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???

squeeze said:
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Never mind. I guess the thread title was fine "battery optimization". But those gas/hybrid nerds (like me) love using the term hypermiling.

I like using setcpu profiles or custom kernels
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n2imagination said:
Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.
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6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
squeeze said:
This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Battery optimization is just a term I figured work, but hypermiling sounds pretty sexy Increases your battery mileage of course!

I'm using Superpower to disable data connection when the screen off. Seems to be working well.

footballer62 said:
6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
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Never game, 2 gmail accounts, fb few times a day, no twitter, net 2-3 times a day. This is stock sense on the phone though. Thats why I was looking into the dif roms to see what battery life was like with dif kernel on it. I will prob root and toss a rom on there to see if it gets me better life (which im sure it will), but considering waiting until the 16th (rumor out that fairly big update coming and want to see if that may help at all).

distortedloop said:
I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!
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Tutorial on Tasker CPU profiles can be found here

jbh00jh said:
NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.
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This really is the best way to save battery at the moment.

I made my battery last the whole day after I installed Automatic Task Killer from the market. It kills selected processes as long as the screen is off. I get home after 9 hours at work and I still have ~40% battery left. Before I installed Automatic Task Killer my TB was dead after 9 hours.
There is so much random bloatware on the TB from vzw that it eats the battery fast. I just need to root I had a Eris on a custom ROM before the TB and I could go 2 days easy without a charge.
This seems to be a fix for the time being. Too bad there is no way for developers to make a one click root like on the Eris. I will have to bite the bullet and do it the old fashioned way.

Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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chanmannn said:
Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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X2
and what is suppose to happen with this update?

I use an app called System Panel that's got all kinds of nifty information available to the curious.

chanmannn said:
Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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They are all just rumors (like any other update/upgrade "news") but...
http://htcsource.com/2011/03/rumour-htc-thunderbolt-to-get-gingerbread-update-in-q2-2011/
http://technology.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979166628
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/03/27/htc-thunderbolt-getting-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-in-q2/
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-thunderbolt-getting-gingerbread-by-summer-20110326/

Which kernel am I running?

Hey all, quick question hopefully you all can help me out with. I am currently having terrible battery issues ever since I flashed my phone initially. Terrible as in 6 hours stand-by my phone would be dead.
Anyhow, I am just trying to figure out who's (which) kernel I am running. The kernel version is 2.6.35.7-I997RUXKG3-CL366622 . I have done searches but biggest problem is, threads usually do not post the version number for me to check what I am running.
I am on Infused 2.1.0 (thx GTG!), but battery life has been garbage on all ROMs so I am certain that is not the issue. Can anyone let me know, me love you long time.

iConformed said:
Hey all, quick question hopefully you all can help me out with. I am currently having terrible battery issues ever since I flashed my phone initially. Terrible as in 6 hours stand-by my phone would be dead.
Anyhow, I am just trying to figure out who's (which) kernel I am running. The kernel version is 2.6.35.7-I997RUXKG3-CL366622 . I have done searches but biggest problem is, threads usually do not post the version number for me to check what I am running.
I am on Infused 2.1.0 (thx GTG!), but battery life has been garbage on all ROMs so I am certain that is not the issue. Can anyone let me know, me love you long time.
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Just the community kernel you can download CPU spy to help with that as well.
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Maybe u just have a bad battery 6 hours is horrible off stand by.
unless you have some other things running thats eating it up. when you check your battery stats whats eating the most power. Display? Android Proccess?
check that out.

tyshemi said:
Just the community kernel you can download CPU spy to help with that as well.
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Thanks for suggesting CPU Spy, looks like I am running Infusion-GB which is what I wanted. So something else is killing my battery

the2rrell said:
Maybe u just have a bad battery 6 hours is horrible off stand by.
unless you have some other things running thats eating it up. when you check your battery stats whats eating the most power. Display? Android Proccess?
check that out.
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Problem is I bought 2 extra batteries and get exact same life. When I initially bought the phone I would get a days use surprisingly. After that, I have had nothing but god awful drain. I have had almost a dozen android phones and have never encountered such terrible battery life.
I do not have fetch data enabled/gps/widget updates or anything that would normally keep the processor/data churning while in my pocket. Battery use is usually around 40-80% on display, all other categories being minimal (which seems correct).
I'm banging my head on this one, I appreciate you guys replying to my thread

iConformed said:
Thanks for suggesting CPU Spy, looks like I am running Infusion-GB which is what I wanted. So something else is killing my battery
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I'm running GB 1.0 Kernel and I loose 1% every 3 hrs. on standby.

iConformed said:
Problem is I bought 2 extra batteries and get exact same life. When I initially bought the phone I would get a days use surprisingly. After that, I have had nothing but god awful drain. I have had almost a dozen android phones and have never encountered such terrible battery life.
I do not have fetch data enabled/gps/widget updates or anything that would normally keep the processor/data churning while in my pocket. Battery use is usually around 40-80% on display, all other categories being minimal (which seems correct).
I'm banging my head on this one, I appreciate you guys replying to my thread
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Send me a pic of your battery screen I settings
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Ltilt2 said:
I'm running GB 1.0 Kernel and I loose 1% every 3 hrs. on standby.
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That's solid! I'll try flashing 1.0 then instead of the 1.1 I'm currently on. Are you using this with Infused 2.1.0?

iConformed said:
That's solid! I'll try flashing 1.0 then instead of the 1.1 I'm currently on. Are you using this with Infused 2.1.0?
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No, I'm running this with Apex 9.2 JVR

tyshemi said:
Send me a pic of your battery screen I settings
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Can't post outside links since I'm newer, sent PM with screen capture

1% per 3 hours standby is FREAKING AWESOME..!!!!
Maybe u have some stray app in the background that's using CPU/whatever it is that's eating up ur battery.
Some subtle things u cud try since u said display is taking up 40-80% of battery:
1. Turning off screen auto rotation, turning it on when needed
2. Turning off auto brightness, turning it on to auto when needed
Use SetCPU like people above pointed out and this would let u see what processor states ur phone is spending most time in.

It sounds like for some people, Infusion 1.1 really flakes out. No clue why. I don't overclock so I don't run it.
It's either Infusion 1.1 flaked out, or if you continue having problems with other kernels, you have a rogue app.
Kernels rarely make any significant difference in battery life unless they're broken.

Entropy512 said:
It sounds like for some people, Infusion 1.1 really flakes out. No clue why. I don't overclock so I don't run it.
It's either Infusion 1.1 flaked out, or if you continue having problems with other kernels, you have a rogue app.
Kernels rarely make any significant difference in battery life unless they're broken.
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Are there any apps I could get that could monitor packets in/out from what I have installed? I have a lot of apps but most are from trusted sources

Running Infusion-GB 1.1 and Infused 2.1.0: I get 1% drain every 3 hours on standby with radio on (reasonable H+ reception) and 1% every 6 hours on flight mode.
It's most likely a defect in your phone or a configuration issue. You really have to be using your phone for at least 4 or 5 hours (screen-on time) over those 6 hours to cut through battery that fast.

superweapons said:
Running Infusion-GB 1.1 and Infused 2.1.0: I get 1% drain every 3 hours on standby with radio on (reasonable H+ reception) and 1% every 6 hours on flight mode.
It's most likely a defect in your phone or a configuration issue. You really have to be using your phone for at least 4 or 5 hours (screen-on time) over those 6 hours to cut through battery that fast.
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Dang, I'd think it's a defective unit too except for when I first got it battery was fantastic. But I'm definitely not a heavy user, most my time is at work and I only occassionaly turn it on to check time/sms
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iConformed said:
Dang, I'd think it's a defective unit too except for when I first got it battery was fantastic. But I'm definitely not a heavy user, most my time is at work and I only occassionaly turn it on to check time/sms
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when you go to settings > applications > running services - is there anything there that looks like it shouldn't be there?
i know that there is a process that starts with an "o" that is tied into media hub's protected content (DRM) - eats a ton of battery, and isn't really necessary.
it's also possible that you have the SNS service going, but constantly in a restarting state. this seemed to eat a lot of battery also.
otherwise, i'd do what others have suggested and monitor with CPU spy, and i'd also suggest an app called Better Battery Stats (not available in the market - find it here on XDA by a developer named chamonix). this will let you know if you have any wakelocks that are preventing your phone from reaching deep sleep when it is idle.
definitely sounds like you could have a wakelock or 2 interfering with your phone trying to get into those lower frequencies.

wipe battery stats?
Did you try wiping battery stats?

iConformed said:
Are there any apps I could get that could monitor packets in/out from what I have installed? I have a lot of apps but most are from trusted sources
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Packets in/out isn't what you want unless you also have unusual data usage too. It's wakelock stats you want - look at the BetterBatteryStats app. It used to be only on XDA but apparently it's on the market now.
iphone4 said:
Did you try wiping battery stats?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Wiping battery stats does NOTHING on our phone. Don't go blindly telling people to do something on our devices just because it worked on another device. The fuel gauge chip on GalaxyS series phones works in a very different way than HTC phones. (Exception: I think the GSII has a more traditional fuel gauge.)

No more battery woes

One of my biggest woes ever since i switched to gb was battery. I have been tirelessly searching for the best performance +battery rom out there. While i do value battery life,i dont wanna compromise on perf! I have tried out almost all stock based,i9000 based roms,cm7,n many releases of miui.cm7 n miui are the best performers out there for obvious reasons.but I really like the customizations of miui, n so tend to stick with miui more. Battery life is pretty good on galnet miui stable editions, but nowhere as good as froyo! But galnet,combined with a battery saving app green power, just works wonders 4 me! This is not a flame thread,nor fanboyism,just some knowledge sharing.
check this out, my best battery setup yet.
daily use rom- galnet miui stable 2.9.23 +glitch 12b3 smartass gov. +kg3 modem. battery lasting for 21 hours.
cell standby- very poor,~15-18%no signal,inside factory. this accounts for 50%of my battery drain.
display- 1.5hrs,
no wifi,3g on the whole time,but data controlled by green power.
call around 20mins, gaming around 20 mins,online videos ~15-20 mins.
some texting
oc to 1.2g +heavy uv using glitch 12b3.
Screenshots below.
Ps-if instead of 3g,I switch to 2g the whole time,I still have ~30%left by now.
if I am in a good signal area, this rom will easily last me 1.5 days. kudos to both green power n galnet.
EDIT: Actually, screen on time may have been more along the lines of 2hrs, looking at the battery monitor graph. i cant read from miui standard battery history because i had 2 restart my phone once, so it doesnt show correct unplugged times.

wherecan I find this green power app you speak of?

MIUI 1.10.14, NEO 17r18 with v51 script set to smartass/powersave, OC to 1200 mhz. No apps that disable network connections (think Juice Defender).
Things turned off:
Auto rotate
Auto Brightness
Use wireless network(under location)
Auto sync
Proxy setup
Things left on
Data
Background data
Wifi and bt when not at work
Things deleted/ frozen
Telocation.apk
Live wallpaper apps
Market updater
Gallery (use QuicPic instead)
Messaging (use Hand cent instead)
Sidekick
Vpn
More i can't remember

In screenshot #2, what app is that showing your battery usage to such fine details?

liquidzyklon said:
In screenshot #2, what app is that showing your battery usage to such fine details?
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I thinks its miui's special battery stats
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b-eock said:
I thinks its miui's special battery stats
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Yes it is. Check out battery usage in ideal cell network conditions, not inside a factory!
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mediumsteak said:
wherecan I find this green power app you speak of?
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Market. Or search in xda. It's made by a xda member.
Sent from my cell phone. DUH

That's not bad for light to moderate use. I think mines not bad for moderate to heavy use.

Im on andromeda 3 again after flashing nearly ever custom rom in the past months including gingerbread roms. I still think andromeda 3 has the best battery.
Edit: Just my opinion of course.
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Not bad
Froyo ftw

Wow, the battery usage varies greatly between different people and their respective usage.
I've only used 3 ROMs: stock Rogers 2.2, Firefly 3.0, and Apex 10.1. My best battery life was with Rogers 2.2 but the ROM was lacking such as no working BT dialing. Firefly 3.0 was great and then Gingerbread came out. Now on Apex 10.1, I am getting only mediocre battery life. I can last 24 hours after light to moderate use only, but the screen was on for about 3 hours.

BenKranged said:
Not bad
Froyo ftw
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yeah... definitely froyo ftw!! i used to get 5ma standby usage on froyo, i get 16-20ma on gingerebread best case scenario. that easily triples your standby time....!
wats your display time btw?
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I'm on miui, oc'd to 1400, small uv, I'm consistently 18+ hrs, screen time in the 2 1/2 hr range. More than enough to get me through a day. Not that I care, I've got a car adapter if I need it. I would never go back to a ****ty samsung rom after experiencing miui goodness. The ui is unsurpassed, and the speed is incredible. No more of this having to reboot and clear caches to prevent the lagging and overall crappiness from the other roms. Reflash the update once a week and good to go. Never been easier and I've never been happier. I'll look into this app tho as suggested.

tkjeeper said:
I'm on miui, oc'd to 1400, small uv, I'm consistently 18+ hrs, screen time in the 2 1/2 hr range. More than enough to get me through a day. Not that I care, I've got a car adapter if I need it. I would never go back to a ****ty samsung rom after experiencing miui goodness. The ui is unsurpassed, and the speed is incredible. No more of this having to reboot and clear caches to prevent the lagging and overall crappiness from the other roms. Reflash the update once a week and good to go. Never been easier and I've never been happier. I'll look into this app tho as suggested.
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Yeah I love miui too. I jumped in from 1.9.16 release. I was reluctant because some people get terrible battery life on CM7 and miui, but my battery life is better on miui than any other rom I have used.
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psycho2097 said:
wats your display time btw?
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It was under 3 hours. Almost an hour a day.

Now we just need to combine this with the 1800 batteries mentioned in the other thread...

bveditz said:
Now we just need to combine this with the 1800 batteries mentioned in the other thread...
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already ordered.! m selling my cappy btw, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1314890

mrhaley30705 said:
MIUI 1.10.14, NEO 17r18 with v51 script set to smartass/powersave, OC to 1200 mhz. No apps that disable network connections (think Juice Defender).
Things turned off:
Auto rotate
Auto Brightness
Use wireless network(under location)
Auto sync
Proxy setup
Things left on
Data
Background data
Wifi and bt when not at work
Things deleted/ frozen
Telocation.apk
Live wallpaper apps
Market updater
Gallery (use QuicPic instead)
Messaging (use Hand cent instead)
Sidekick
Vpn
More i can't remember
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What font is that? Love the setup btw. Sharp and clean very nice
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The one included in the redarked theme (MIUI), status bar is NeonBT

Juice Defender feedback vote needed

To all G2x community,
I am having problems with juice defender, to be more specific whenever I hang up from a phone call there is a delay in the hang up process, usually takes 5 to 10 seconds after I press end call. The issue is posted on the Juice Defender feedback forum, and I just wanted to call on you guys to pump up the vote tally for this issue. So if you can, just click on the link and give it the max 3 votes I'd appreciate it.
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forum...ns/2257272-no-data-connection-while-on-phone-

Edit: Whoops.

I get the same problem, I also have a problem with WiFi calling constantly polling my phone as traffic even with WiFi disabled with the phone set as WiFi Calling on Enable/Screen Off.

I always wondered why there was a delay on hangup... Never knew it was a JD thing though. Hope they address it quickly

I don't use these types of apps, but a while back I noticed a new similar app in the market. I'm curious as to how it compares to Juice Defender, has anyone tried it? It's called Go Power Master (by the same devs who made GoSMS and Go Keyboard etc.)
Sorry if this is a thread hijack

PhantomRampage said:
I don't use these types of apps, but a while back I noticed a new similar app in the market. I'm curious as to how it compares to Juice Defender, has anyone tried it? It's called Go Power Master (by the same devs who made GoSMS and Go Keyboard etc.)
Sorry if this is a thread hijack
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Looks like the same idea... I may give it a shot as I use go launcher already and like their products (some of them)
Edit: That app is nowhere close to as customizable as juice defender and its ui is really ugly hahaa defiantly sticking with jd
Pin it to Win it.

Are you using a specific rom or just stock? I have ran into this issue with or without jd on certain roms (can't recall exactly such ones atm) but it may be a conflict also. I run jd on tsugi right now and use the 2g/3g since it still doesn't work radio wise with that version. But I have jd ultimate for the wifi capabilities, and have on all other roms for the past year and a half.
I have used certain roms along with certain kertain kernals without jd and had that issue though. I understand when its disabled things goto normal, so I guess are you running froyo, gb, 2.3.7 or ics?
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I'm running Weapon G2x 3.0_R1 ROM with the stock kernel and using Juice Defender Plus.

I'm running stock firmware non-rooted with JD plus and getting delayed hangup.

JD is pointless, all it does is turn off data when the screen turns off and on when the screen is on. This can be done by the touch of a button easy.
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theking_13 said:
JD is pointless, all it does is turn off data when the screen turns off and on when the screen is on. This can be done by the touch of a button easy.
Sent from my amazing G2x running EaglesBlood and Faux.
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True but it fires does make it easier and more automated
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TheCoutures said:
True but it fires does make it easier and more automated
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Thing is i WANT the data to stay on even during screen off, its not like i have a lot of traffic going on 24/7 anyways, its gonna update stuff like facebook, messenger, email twitter etc only, which uses very little traffic anyways.
I tried to set it updating everything whenever i turn screen on and all it did was cause some minor lag whenever i unlock screen.....not a very good idea to me lol
And to the OP, juice defender actually made my battery WORSE.......it kept trying to close some background stuff for me and ended up using a lot more power than it should be. All you need to do is flash a better rom/kernel, underclock (and undervolt if your hardware allows it, mine doesnt but its good enough so it is fine on stock voltage underclocked).
I did a test recenly, exactly 20 hours and my battery stayed at 97% with very little activity, which I consider as very nice. The next day I used my pone for about an hour on talking, roughly 30minutes on games, and probably an hour for web browsing, and i still have 59% left at the end of the day
Regular battery too, i did not buy a powerful battery replacement.
So yeah SCREW JUICE DEFENDER!!!!

If you wanted data to stay on all the time, JD is completely useless to you. Seriously.
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I've used JD Plus for well over a year. I'm really starting to think the app is hype. I see no major difference with it or with out it. Pointless.

If you read back some threads before on JD, you would find out that JD off the market (at least it still is) does not work on the G2X for some reason. You have to install a beta version of it that was linked on these forums a while back and use that.
The market version was not able to shut off data at all whereas the beta version does.
I was able to get about 27 hours before my battery depleted just on a new ROM and not having to UV/OC any settings. I still use it on my GB ROMs. Doesn't really work on the ICS ROMs.

I have had it for a long time, and noticed quite a bit of difference compared to without it. GB did change that until the beta. And with ics, it does work for me. I use it for the data shutoff + automated wifi enable/ disable. If I really need an email that I'm waiting for and can't miss that extra 5 min of duration that it takes, I turn it off. That's where I notice the major difference, especially with the newer kernels for ics builds. But obviously it doesn't seem to work as well for some people, or some people just don't like it. That's why theirs different versions of everything.
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I'm giving this thing the bump!... I'm impressed with the votes, the vote total is in triple digits. We need some more votes to get this thing pushed through. It's the only thing that bugs me about JD right now, and I'm sure there are alot of people in the same boat.
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forum...ns/2257272-no-data-connection-while-on-phone-

Don't use it, it doesn't help.
For me the battery life on my settings was so good it decreased it due to my phone being woken up every 30 minutes.
This is my battery life on stock battery without JD
http://db.tt/5BIfrIAd
With JD I probably would've only gotten 18 hours.
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I don't know if JD does drain battery a lot or not. But I always have trouble with it connecting to Mobile Data quickly. I unlock the screen, it shows the 4g icon plus the four white bars, but it's usually connected only when the bars turn blue. And it takes forever for the bars to turn blue, like a 10 second delay, any way to fix it?

NekoNyapii said:
I don't know if JD does drain battery a lot or not. But I always have trouble with it connecting to Mobile Data quickly. I unlock the screen, it shows the 4g icon plus the four white bars, but it's usually connected only when the bars turn blue. And it takes forever for the bars to turn blue, like a 10 second delay, any way to fix it?
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No. It may help in some cases, but for me it is not needed.
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Juice Defender ratio?

What kind of ratios do y'all get? I am just running the stock balanced and get 1.25ish but my buddy is getting 1.8 on his HTC so wasn't sure if I have mine messed up or something.
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Do yourself a favor and ditch jd.

I've heard mixed things about JD. Some people like it, others say it doesn't work.
On GB, I was getting 2.0-2.2x.
On ICS, I only use it for the schedules right now, I may test it out to see if it helps or not.

skyrockets said:
I've heard mixed things about JD. Some people like it, others say it doesn't work.
On GB, I was getting 2.0-2.2x.
On ICS, I only use it for the schedules right now, I may test it out to see if it helps or not.
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It makes a smartphone dumb.

Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.

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Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.
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You can't be bothered to use the quick toggle and push a button to shut off wifi when you leave home or work? Apps like that just prevent a smartphone from being a smartphone. That's cool if you wanna use it, but shutting off radios and preventing data is sort of lame on a smartphone. There are other ways of saving power and still having a working smartphone.

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It makes a smartphone dumb.
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How so?
kishke said:
Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.
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I agree. I had it keep wifi enabled when connected all the time, turn data off during the work day and only check it every hour (I'm on a PC, I can get email instantly). I had it turn off data/wifi when I was playing a game. I had it turn wifi off when I left home and re-turn on wifi when I got home (location based). And I used the brightness feature (this was pretty poor...).
I still use it for schedule (I have it turn off sound and data/wifi at night) on ICS.

xcrazydx said:
You can't be bothered to use the quick toggle and push a button to shut off wifi when you leave home or work? Apps like that just prevent a smartphone from being a smartphone. That's cool if you wanna use it, but shutting off radios and preventing data is sort of lame on a smartphone. There are other ways of saving power and still having a working smartphone.
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My data is always on regardless it just makes sure my phone wont waste power by searching for wifi when there is none, also if I get to a place with good wifi and I know its there I'll use the quick toggle.
And jd is also useful in case I forget the bluetooth on it will turn it off after 5 minutes.

kishke said:
My data is always on regardless it just makes sure my phone wont waste power by searching for wifi when there is none, also if I get to a place with good wifi and I know its there I'll use the quick toggle.
And jd is also useful in case I forget the bluetooth on it will turn it off after 5 minutes.
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These are things you can do without jd, except the forgetting bt thing. JD requires power to run, so consider that.

I've found that I get as good or better battery life by simply enabling System Power Saving then with JD. Your mileage may vary.
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JD showed about 1.7 on my device.

I'm running seanz GB Sky ICS and have always used JD. With or without JD, my battery blows. I wouldn't dare leave home without a charger. I've found that JD definitely helps, mostly for reasons previously mentioned in this thread. However, the JD ratios seem inflated and highly volatile. I never trust them. I know JD helps me a little bit but I never know exactly how much.
Based on feedback from seanz 4.0 rom, I doubt I'll need JD once I flash it. I just need some damn free time to sit down, get smart, do the downloads, and flash my way to freedom haha. Hopefully I'll make it happen tomorrow night.
Overall though, I am a fan of JD Pro.
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Shame on me for not answering the op questions. Normally my ratio is somewhere between 1.7 and 2.0. I've noticed that if I run jd for 4-5 days then the ratio slowly goes down to 1.25 which is odd. Then, if I disable it for 18-24 hours, my jd ratio for the next few days is insane: 2.5 to 2.9.
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Datron said:
I'm running seanz GB Sky ICS and have always used JD. With or without JD, my battery blows. I wouldn't dare leave home without a charger. I've found that JD definitely helps, mostly for reasons previously mentioned in this thread. However, the JD ratios seem inflated and highly volatile. I never trust them. I know JD helps me a little bit but I never know exactly how much.
Based on feedback from seanz 4.0 rom, I doubt I'll need JD once I flash it. I just need some damn free time to sit down, get smart, do the downloads, and flash my way to freedom haha. Hopefully I'll make it happen tomorrow night.
Overall though, I am a fan of JD Pro.
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Shame on me for not answering the op questions. Normally my ratio is somewhere between 1.7 and 2.0. I've noticed that if I run jd for 4-5 days then the ratio slowly goes down to 1.25 which is odd. Then, if I disable it for 18-24 hours, my jd ratio for the next few days is insane: 2.5 to 2.9.
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Simple kernel tweaks can save far more juice, and doesn't consume power like JD does by running in the background.

The issue is there is still no kernel source for ics anyway.
I'm pleased with my battery so I got no reason to turn of JD and check how it's effecting it, I'm not that much of a heavy user.

kishke said:
The issue is there is still no kernel source for ics anyway.
I'm pleased with my battery so I got no reason to turn of JD and check how it's effecting it, I'm not that much of a heavy user.
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That's because it's a leak with no source. I got off the ics bandwagon and went back to stability. If you're not a heavy user why do you need JD? I'm just trying to help you make your phone better, if you wanna use it, that's fine.

this weekend I should have similar phone pattern, I'll check it with or without and let you know. Tho I'll be home only so I guess it will only show how much jd is draining instead of helping but that's also something.
Also im using ICS due to the correct hebrew alignment which is really annoying in GB.

kishke said:
this weekend I should have similar phone pattern, I'll check it with or without and let you know. Tho I'll be home only so I guess it will only show how much jd is draining instead of helping but that's also something.
Also im using ICS due to the correct hebrew alignment which is really annoying in GB.
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You can uc on ics.
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Already running at 1.18

I'm getting 2.26 with custom settings on Sky ICS 4.2D-10.
In my view, there are two important factors in JD's usefulness: (1) Like the app itself says, it is most effective when you're not using the phone. If you're a heavy user, you're not likely to see an improvement, because most of what it does relates to turning radios on/off. (2) Whether or not you're good at micromanaging settings. If you reliably remember to turn off BT, or to turn off syncing when you're asleep, etc. then it may not be of value. Depending on where you are on those two points, it may be great, it may be more of a drain than it saves.
With JD and with my phone largely sitting on the desk, I can get out past three days on a charge. JD is allowing sync to occur every 30 mins during the day and not at all at night. I'm honestly not sure how easily I can set my phone up to do roughly the same without JD (although I'm trying to work on that).

1.8 - 2.2 on ICS Stock Deodexed. I don't need an alert for email every second I get one, keeps me unfocused at work. When I unlock the screen I get them anyway, so JD is perfect for me. My battery goes 32 hours on moderate use.

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If you're not a heavy user why do you need JD? I'm just trying to help you make your phone better..
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OK we get your point... but some of us have limited data plans and I find it very frustrating when the phone goes off and self-initiates a 64mb transfer of what-I-don't-know - out of my 200mb plan. I don't need a phone that smart. ATT isn't good about providing any details what-so-ever about that data usage so am looking for other means to control power and radio usage and to actually get through the whole day without having to charge twice in the same day and without having to remember to help my smartphone to be smart.