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This phone is starting to become a pain....

I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.

I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?

Also it could be radio and what most likely is the signal strength. As weaker the signal, as more power required to compensate.

WAAAAHHHH! Don't buy a smart phone then.
I get a full days use. About 2 hours of music playing, signed into an IM client and do some msg and talking and still have 75% at the end of the day.
My guess that its your rom, but i am betting you didn't change the setting in HTC's task manager.
Go to Settings > system > Task manager and change the close action button actually close the buttom. The default action for WM task manager and HTC task manager is to minimize or hide the apps.
So let's say i open WMPlayer, Google Maps, Contacts, Text, Microsoft word. I hit the X, but if i don't change that setting, when i press the X, those programs are still running consuming battery and memory.
Try making sure no unneeded tasks are running and update your radio to 1.14.25.05, and Da_G's 6.5 rom and lets see how ya do next week.

PwnCakes193 said:
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Yo PwnCakes193..
I feel yur agony.. I used to experience shi tty battery life too.. My raphael can only sustained for like 5 hours.. without battery draining applications like music player even running..
However, Things took a turn when i flashed my raphael to the following rom and radio:
ROM Version: ROMeOS v1.95.4 WWE
Radio: 1.12.25.19 (With matching rilphone version)
It is so much better now !! I have calls and sms coming in while Garmin GPS is running for like an hour with battery dropping only 15% from 100% to 75%... !! And i **** u not.. And by the way.. my raphael's been with me for like 5 months now.. I'm loving it more each day..
Good luck and hav fun!

Too advanced for you?
PwnCakes193 said:
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.

I echo what's been said in above posts and would add as a suggestion only to try the new htc rom with the 1.14.xx radio both are the latest from htc. Boring I know, but very stable. Don't throw your device away without trying it. The custom roms can be frustrating as they can be unstable at times, but very fun to tweak and experiment with.It sounds like yourmore a user who wants stability over the rest. Go to htc site and search for latest rom, try that 1.14 radio and report back.
I use a 1800 mAh battery in my pro and I always charge everynight. Not a big deal. I also have prolly less than the 75% you reported at the same time, another not a big deal. "it is what it is" You can adapt or you can get a diff phone. I have an LG dumb phone my work supplies me for calls only, that battery lasts 2 weeks . LOL!!

wow, harsh words.
It's not like this complaint is an isolated one. There are other forums out there(AT&T, and Howard) that have the same observations about battery life. To say that it is a portable pc and that someone should be happy with 6-8 hours of battery life is pretty silly too. It is a smartphone, like the blackberry, like the treo, like the blackberry. And when people complained about the battery life of the Iphone, it's not like everyone said, deal with it. Apple released another firmware to try and remedy this. Blackberrys seem to go for a couple if not more days without charging with 3G, push email etc running, so why would this not be expected from the Fuze?
I own both the Tilt and the Fuze and find I can squeeze out about 3 days with push email, a bluetooth headset, about an hour or two a day of listening to music through the headset and 3G enabled. The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the tilt, so wouldn't it be logical to think i should be able to do the same with this product? I have flashed several different roms and radios(with the rilphone.dll) and right now cannot get past 8 hours of usage on it. I thought it was the radio but I have tested it without a sim in it and get the same results. So either the battery is faulty, or it just stinks.
I am going through troubleshooting it right now, and based on some helpful hints on other forums, am trying to discharge the battery fully in hopes that it resets the battery guage.
I think helpful posts, like those that say try a new radio/rom are good ways to respond. Saying "go get an Iphone" or "this is a ppc, deal with the battery" are not helpful to people who search the forums for solutions.
Just my 2(maybe a lot more) cents

Reefermattness said:
Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
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Really? Listen a**hole, I know what I'm dealing with. I'm running the 21210 build of 6.5 that I cooked in Da_G's Kitchen with the .20M1 radio AND RIL. Yes, I know i'm being picky, but a phone should last at least a little while, no matter what. I get a full day charge, but just texting and no calling, on EDGE, I should easily be down to 85% in 24 hours. I know it's a small PC, but that is no excuse. I am a mainstream tech savvy person, and I mod/hack everything I own, use everything to it's full potential. I don't want an iPhone because its an overhyped and, in my opinion, horrible phone. I was never trying to look cool when I bought this phone. I even helped a few members out here when they bricked their phones, and I taught a few how to cook ROMs!
Next time think before you post, you troll.

baboola said:
I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
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I have tried almost all the ROMs, my favorite being At0mAng's, but he's gone now . I'm cooking my own 6.5 ROMs now

The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the Tilt? I guess according to the order that ATT purchased their HTC phones, but probably not according to HTC...
The HTC Touch Pro is the successor of the Diamond. Just because ATT replaced the Tilt with the Fuze does not mean its the successor. Tmobile is calling the TP2 the "Wing 2" in America, does that mean it's the successor to the wing?? NO. If anything most hardcore HTC follower will agree the TP2 is the successor to the Tilt (kinda obvious isn't it?).
Regardless of what order they came in, or what phone its supposed to replace, the Fuze has a bigger processor, twice as much ram, and twice as high resolution LCD. Its hard to compare the 2 on battery life. My Tilt gets a faster GPS lock, and the battery lasts way longer, than the Fuze. Does that mean its better? NO.
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
If you have an honest question where you need help then please ask, and im sure someone will help you get MUCH better battery life! All i really meant by what i was saying before i got sidetracked, is that if you don't like your HTC products, or it doesn't fit your lifestyle like you thought it would, then take it back, and get something else. Just don't come into a HTC forum, and start badmouthing products, because that will get you nowhere, and you should have been expecting the answer you got.

I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.

Reefermattness said:
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
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Where'd you get badass? I just said I hacked/modded a lot of the things I owned.... I haven't gotten into the processing specs and all that stuff yet...
And since when does being a troll have to do with what time you joined? I have yet to troll on this forum, I have either asked questions, or have helped people who are having trouble....

jjjacksonjjj said:
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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I hear that, I can relate as I've had my s**t jumped a few times on this forum as well and I always learned from it. I'm not an expert at all and thats the reason I come here to learn about my various wm devices, currently the touch pro. I undestand the issues especially with battery and stability.Except for battery I don't have any complaints that you mention. My RF which I value as a number 1 priority is very good. No dialer issues here either. I also think it would be nice to have perfectly operating devices right out of the box and considering what we pay for these things, it seems we should get better. In my experience all the wm devices I've ever had have had inadequate batteries. It's just the way it is. I did not expect my pro to be any diff. in that regard. I got it anyway and bought a better battery. In the past few weeks I've tried various 6.5 roms with differing results and none were very stable. It's the way it is and I don't really expect it to be better, but I love it anyway. I've used symbian s60 nokia devices and thought some of the e series have outstanding stability and battery life. So I have choices.
My choice is to continue learning and I'll get extended batteries when I think I need it. When I get tired of the wm BS I'll go back to E series for awhile.
For anyone who is calling themselves proficient in wm and the various ins and outs of flashing and obviously has some experience apparently, I find it kinda strange that they would be surprised by the battery life. Stability can be had from diff rom combos. But bad battery life is a given with wm. we get used to it and move on or go check out e series. It also rocks! Lotsa choices.

Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.

jjjacksonjjj said:
Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?

wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...
i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?
and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.
EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\

PwnCakes193 said:
what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
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****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.

nhshah7-
try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.

FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.

Regrets???

[email protected],
Are you regret n the buy of this phone? I do! This phone makes me mad. Is such a buggy piece of crap is unbelievable. There is almost no custom Roms battery life sucks even without using s3d, apps aren't working proper and i have to reboot this frekin phone after a while to work properly.
I can say this is a epic fail in my eyes. Not once had I this much of problems with a smartphone.
Unfortunately I paid a premium price for this crappy fon.
I really hope gb will iron out those problems or else I'll get f$%@#n mental.
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who is "GB"?
heard that name a couple of times but still dont know.
And well...i trade my evo 3d in tommorow and get the optimus 3d.
The evo3d surely isnt a better device. lag and speed drops all the way, everywhere. even pinch to zoom in the browser lags...and i need to wait everywhere...even wait 1 - 2 secs before the keyboards pops up.
And it didnt sync my emails properly.
Wanted to buy the galaxy s2 but well....i DID love the evo 3d's 3d screen. its nicer then on the o3d because resolution, but that means its not far off.

Glad I've visited from s2 section was gonna go from s2 to optimus 3d it looks superb on reviews on you tube but is it as good as they make out, I like to be up to date on my smart phones but might stick with s2 what do you users think.?
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i regret even laying eyes on this piece of crap so what i did was make my lil brother take it off me cuz he loves it. So i am gonna wait for the next nexus phone to come out this October its called the nexus prime imma get that the s2 can shove it too i hate it lol....

Best phone in Holland never have.problems
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Paran0idAndr0id said:
[email protected],
Are you regret n the buy of this phone? I do! This phone makes me mad. Is such a buggy piece of crap is unbelievable. There is almost no custom Roms battery life sucks even without using s3d, apps aren't working proper and i have to reboot this frekin phone after a while to work properly.
I can say this is a epic fail in my eyes. Not once had I this much of problems with a smartphone.
Unfortunately I paid a premium price for this crappy fon.
I really hope gb will iron out those problems or else I'll get f$%@#n mental.
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Hi mate.You really seem to have problems with your O3D. Have had mine for more than 1 month and its incredible. I had a SGS2 before and i just can't miss anything from that.I made my own custom ROM (you should do that too) and it works amazing, fast and stable.I have all Gameloft 3D games and they work just better in 3D than in the SGS2 in 2D wich needed its GPU to be locked at max to get descent FPS.In my opinion the LG O3D is the only phone out there that i could say "WOWWW" after playing with.Battery life is really bad i agree, but have you tried the other dual core phones ? they are pretty terrible as well. We gonna get GB soon and im pretty sure that the phone is gonna get a lot better, FROYO dont work properly on dual core devices.As soon as we get GB Im gonna start developing again, dont want to waste time with Froyo.

No regrets what so ever,its so super fast,no lag at all...love it !!!

Paran0idAndr0id said:
[email protected],
Are you regret n the buy of this phone? I do! This phone makes me mad. Is such a buggy piece of crap is unbelievable. There is almost no custom Roms battery life sucks even without using s3d, apps aren't working proper and i have to reboot this frekin phone after a while to work properly.
I can say this is a epic fail in my eyes. Not once had I this much of problems with a smartphone.
Unfortunately I paid a premium price for this crappy fon.
I really hope gb will iron out those problems or else I'll get f$%@#n mental.
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Haven't noticed any major bugs with the phone, sure the software is far from the best but not that bad IMO and LG have released patches.
As for Custom ROMs, really what do people think? the phone is extremely new, released like 2 months ago and not even out in the US yet, CM is under development, going pretty fast but it still takes time, it's not like they can just pull it out of a hat, it takes hard work and many hours, in this case given by Ricardo who does this on his free time and not only for the O3D but other hardware as well, expecting a massive amount of CustomROMs within 2 months seems a bit ... After CM is released you'll probably see much more custom ROMs appearing.
Battery life is low yes (not really a surprise if you'd read anything about the phone before getting it) , much because of the screen but also because of unoptimized code because of new hardware etc. will hopefully get better with new software releases or you could get another battery or portable charger. (Running 3D actually doesn't require that much more battery then running the screen normally, it's the brightness and the screen tech that needs a fair amount of power).
If you could be more specific with what problems you have exactly people might be able to help you, just screaming bloody murder wont help much.
For ex.
What apps aren't working properly? And how aren't they working?
What are you doing when you have to reboot the phone to get it to work?
Got any custom apps like a custom lockscreen like agile lock or a custom home app?
Have you tried any battery saving apps?
Also if you haven't had problems like this before with a Smart phone you are either very lucky or you've never bought a extremely new smart phone, all new releases got a few problems here and there, the worst problems usually get sorted about 6 months after first release, compared to my other phones this one has had surprisingly few major issues for being a new phone and that's even more impressive when you realise that it's a new chipset for phones.

I had an HD2 with CM7 when this phone arrived (so I'm not a newbie here). It's for testing 'cause iPhone 4 is a bit expensive so where I work are in search of a good high end working phone.
The O3D has all the requisites out of the box but one: battery. I had it in a construction area and it barely reached 10 hours of normal use plus some gps.
About the hangs and apps that don't work... I only had a problem with Tasker, and it seems it was my problem and not the phone.
IMHO it's a good phone. Maybe your unit was defective?
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Someone tell what or who GB is or il open a topic lol...

I do regret it at moment, having come from a galaxy s with custom roms and absolute crazy battery life..at moment I'd swap it for a galaxy II..BUT am waiting for the october update and more custom roms, so it's still early days for this phone so gonna stick with it as slowly it seems to be moving forward...

@borgqueen the gb they are refering to is gingerbread

Lol I guess I created the topic on a weak moment. But seriously I hate sometimes this fon. Although I got a battery pack with higher capacity the battery dies prematurely. And no I didn't try any other dual core fones but heard that the galaxy 2 has much better battery life.
And I did had the newest smartphones such as htc desire etc.
So be more specific my issues are
1. YouTube player is acting out sometimes and if I fastforward then there seems to be weird color distortion
2. Can't change the bloody user agent in dolphin browser (might be the browser tough heard some fons have this bug) and also sometimes dolphin browser isn't reacting at all or any other browser until I reboot the fone? So definitely not browser related
3. Watching online flash content is a nightmare and this could be froyo related as on any gb fon I tried there where no issues non so ever .
4. Battery life is horrendous
5. Battery life is horrendous
6. Fon doesn't react some times at all and i have to force reboot
I think the fon has great potential but the software is so not in tune with the fon. So as I said I really hope GB will solve some issues here.
By the way I really don't want to offend anyone but it's just my opinion on things so don't fanboy me )
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Paran0idAndr0id said:
Lol I guess I created the topic on a weak moment. But seriously I hate sometimes this fon. Although I got a battery pack with higher capacity the battery dies prematurely. And no I didn't try any other dual core fones but heard that the galaxy 2 has much better battery life.
And I did had the newest smartphones such as htc desire etc.
So be more specific my issues are
1. YouTube player is acting out sometimes and if I fastforward then there seems to be weird color distortion
2. Can't change the bloody user agent in dolphin browser (might be the browser tough heard some fons have this bug) and also sometimes dolphin browser isn't reacting at all or any other browser until I reboot the fone? So definitely not browser related
3. Watching online flash content is a nightmare and this could be froyo related as on any gb fon I tried there where no issues non so ever .
4. Battery life is horrendous
5. Battery life is horrendous
6. Fon doesn't react some times at all and i have to force reboot
I think the fon has great potential but the software is so not in tune with the fon. So as I said I really hope GB will solve some issues here.
By the way I really don't want to offend anyone but it's just my opinion on things so don't fanboy me )
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Dual core phone actually require less battery than single core, but the difference is not that big, SGS2 has a Super AMOLED+ screen and a little bit more power in the battery = more time on a charge. (but from what I've heard they also have some problems with some units magically draining like 30% of battery in mere minutes, only hear say for me though so don't quote me on that)
Haven't watched that much Youtube on the phone but seems more like a network or app problem than the phone?
Sure that Dophin browser don't have a problem with the phone and are affecting other browsers? I've used FF and Original, actually like the Original best and I've not experienced that the browser stopped responding, some apps that are not working correctly can affect other apps, Agile Lock for some reason killed my SIM unlock app and made it almost impossible to use the phone, removed it and haven't had any problem with the SIM card after that.
Nightmare in what way? Laggy?
Battery life is pretty bad, true, not much you can do about it, use a lower brightness on your screen, try out CPU tuner and limit the phone, I've actually got my phone running MAX 600Mhz instead of 1Ghz, gives me about an hour of extra active usage and haven't found anything that really suffers because of the slower speed. Hopefully software updates will help the battery life, my old Hero had like 6hours usage when I first got it, when I retired it that was up to 24-48hours. Also if you need it, check out portable charger on Ebay, I got mine for ~$30 from Hong Kong, 5000mAh just plug in and charge via USB, with the 5V 1A output it fully recharges my phone from 0-100% in just under 3 hours and with the extra mAh you got like 2days away from the outlet, not ideal but works
Or get the 3500mAh battery if you prefer that.
Is it in sleep mode it stops reacting? That's some software glitch that LG has in their 2.2 release, only seems to affect some people noticeably, LG O2X has the same glitch and a nightly not to long ago for CM7 on the O2X reproduced the problem from what I've read.
Or is it while using it that it just stops responding?

I'll try now few other roms out there. No the fon freezes while using the fon actively. I got the problem with sleep too. Anyways there is no way other than wait for a proper cm7 release. Guess is not that far away, no
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I am back on a GS2 and it smokes this phone totally, still have the O3D but I don't use it now, i have come to the conclusion even with the 3D it doesn't make it a good choice over the GS2 its just better in every way.

Hmm i dont regret at all having this phone i had iphone 4 before optimus 3d and i have to say its the best phone i ever have had in all ways...but yeah the battery are a little problem my tip for that take down the quick meny and turn off all data settings like wifi 3g bluetooth after turned off all those settings the battery have lasted for about 2 days and i still have power on it...so no the battery are not the biggest problem here if you do that! and like alot reviews are saying android is leeching data alot therfor it use power turn those off to save battery

This phone is awesome. Anyone who regrets buying it has problems with "grass is greener syndrome" which no amount of coding and tweaking can solve.
The problem is not with the phone. The problem is with your lack of patience and understanding of what is realistic performance and developer support of a brand new device.
Chill out, smoke em if you got em. Most of us will have this phone for a year minimum so there will be plenty of software improvements from both LG and the dev community during that time. LG have already updated like three times. My motorola milestone didnt even get three updates in ITS ENTIRE LIFESPAN.
Be appreciative of what you have.
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I totally agree this phone is great. I've only been using it since Saturday, but I'm extremely impressed. It's speedy, responsive. I'm digging 3D photos and gaming. The build quality is excellent. It feels sturdy and not cheap or too plasticky.
As with all phones, there are drawbacks like the battery life, but it's by no means a deal-breaker. It's also relatively easy to improve (Juice Defender, reduced screen brightness, etc.). Also, if I try to open too many games at once it may freeze on occasion, but all of the 3D games are very hardcore, resource-intensive applications so any phone will freak if you push it too far.
I couldn't be happier with it.

htc hd7s

just orderd my htc hd7s what can i expect? going to install mango as soon as i get it. how is the batter life? i get 8-12 hours on my infuse

Not sure about the HD7, but it's pretty dismal. Prepare to turn off push, limit your live tiles, turn the brightness down, turn off location, etc.
Probably not as bad as Androids, but not the best either.

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Not sure about the HD7, but it's pretty dismal. Prepare to turn off push, limit your live tiles, turn the brightness down, turn off location, etc.
Probably not as bad as Androids, but not the best either.
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hmm....i leave all of that running on my android and still get the 8-12 hours. might have to return the phone or get some extra batteries

I get about 32 hours out of a charge on my HD7. 2 email accounts, hotmail and gmail. Not really a real heavy user though, too busy doing work and other stuff.
I'm in the habit of charging it every night so it never runs out. My phone hasn't been off in about 2 months for any reason (unless you count resets for firmware flashes).

I am a heavy user of my HD7, 2 email accounts with push enabled lots of web browsing, reading on kindle and listening to music, it has never failed to get me through my 16 hour day, i charge it every night.

Not sure what heavy use means to you people. I'm a heavy user and there's no way in hell the HD7 can last 16 hours with that battery. Just not gonna happen.
HD7s is an AT&T phone. If you want a WP7 phone on AT&T then get the focus. The extra 0.3 inches is not worth getting the HD7s.
Good rule of thumb is don't buy any smartphone with less than a 1400 mAh battery unless it's a blackberry. Really high end devices, you prolly want at least 1600. On T-Mobile there wasn't a choice unless you wanted to buy from Dell, but that creates issues in cases when you get DOA and defective devices (have to ship back, get shipped a new one, etc. instead of just driving 10 minutes to a carrier store), so we had to deal with it. I don't recommend this phone. The battery is the primary reason, but aside from that this phone has the worse sound of all the WP7 launch devices.

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Not sure what heavy use means to you people. I'm a heavy user and there's no way in hell the HD7 can last 16 hours with that battery. Just not gonna happen.
HD7s is an AT&T phone. If you want a WP7 phone on AT&T then get the focus. The extra 0.3 inches is not worth getting the HD7s.
Good rule of thumb is don't buy any smartphone with less than a 1400 mAh battery unless it's a blackberry. Really high end devices, you prolly want at least 1600. On T-Mobile there wasn't a choice unless you wanted to buy from Dell, but that creates issues in cases when you get DOA and defective devices (have to ship back, get shipped a new one, etc. instead of just driving 10 minutes to a carrier store), so we had to deal with it. I don't recommend this phone. The battery is the primary reason, but aside from that this phone has the worse sound of all the WP7 launch devices.
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Well, I also get 16 hours of use easily with my HD7s. Also, having previously owned a Focus, I much prefer the HD7s and I am having better success with battery life vs the Focus.
I'm not sure what you mean about the sound, but no issues on my end. The HD7s has a much better look and feel and reading text is much better than it was on the Focus. The SAMOLED may be great for movies, but it is sub par for reading text. HTC also provides much more useful OEM apps and add-ons than Samsung.

N8ter said:
Not sure what heavy use means to you people. I'm a heavy user and there's no way in hell the HD7 can last 16 hours with that battery. Just not gonna happen.
HD7s is an AT&T phone. If you want a WP7 phone on AT&T then get the focus. The extra 0.3 inches is not worth getting the HD7s.
Good rule of thumb is don't buy any smartphone with less than a 1400 mAh battery unless it's a blackberry. Really high end devices, you prolly want at least 1600. On T-Mobile there wasn't a choice unless you wanted to buy from Dell, but that creates issues in cases when you get DOA and defective devices (have to ship back, get shipped a new one, etc. instead of just driving 10 minutes to a carrier store), so we had to deal with it. I don't recommend this phone. The battery is the primary reason, but aside from that this phone has the worse sound of all the WP7 launch devices.
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I have a slightly different experience w/ the sound - so far the sound is better than the focus. Everything else though, is in the Focus' favor (outside viewing of the screen turned out to be much more important than I thought - it was awesome on the focus).
The battery is dreadfully inadequate on this device. My calling, e-mail, browsing, etc., ran it out of charge by the end of the workday and I was charging it up in the car on the way home. I could make it all the way to bed w/ my Focus (since once home I tended to use my device less).
An acceptable workaround for me has been the Power Skin (other's milage will vary greatly since it's a personal thing) .
The Power Skin gives me an extra 1500 (?) on the battery. It's different than I thought it would be - the phone works like it's pluged in and charging all day. When the skin is out of juice I slip it off and return to the nice sleek phone again. Pushing the power and volume buttons throgh the thick protective skin took some getting used to, but they're ok I guess.
If I'm going out and want to slip the phone in my pocket I just take off the skin and run w/out it. For me, it's more versitile than a larger battery w/ a new back cover since I have the best of both worlds (more power when I want or need it, slim phone when that's what I want or need).

N8ter said:
Not sure what heavy use means to you people. I'm a heavy user and there's no way in hell the HD7 can last 16 hours with that battery. Just not gonna happen.
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I also get confused when I read things like this. I have the LG Quantum, 3.8". Wouldn't it take even less power than the HD7? With moderate use, I'm charging it by 3pm (off the charger at 7am). Or on the commute home at 6pm. Cause if not, it's dying by dinner time. And I've got a 1500 battery (which I believe is 100 more than the HD7 has).
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HOWEVER, to the OP:
I do recommend this phone. It just works. No fuss, no muss. Someone else has said it on here, but you just pick which set of limitations you're willing to live with. There's no HDMI out, XviD support, or robust DLNA functionality, which I'm finding is more important to me than previously thought. But everything works sooo well. Seemless, smooth, zero lag, graphically pleasing. Fantastic.
I've said it before, just head into a store and play with one until they kick you out.

I use my HD7s all the time (exchange, email, internet, music, games, wi-fi, games) so I'll occasionally have to charge mine at my desk at work. But if i'm not messing around with it all times of the day (like I usually am b/c I love my phone so much)...the battery lasts all day from when I wake up til I go to bed at night.

N8ter seems to have a knack for coming on the boards and slandering what he can, so I wouldn't put much trust in him.
I myself came from a Focus to an HD7S and it's pretty okay. The battery lasts quite a long time for being such a small one. I get about 14-16 hours of use if I'm checking my phone a lot, using FB, playing games, making a call and refreshing my email. I am on WiFi most of the time but I really don't see any difference using cellular data. I can get easily 24+ hours off one charge if I'm just using it a few times during the day.
The one gripe I really have about the HD7S is the screen. The ghosting on it is absolutely horrible. With the Mango update installed, I noticed it wasn't much of a problem reading scrolling white text as much, but grey text still was unreadable and tiles had a "streaking" effect still. Either way, my next phone won't be an HTC unless they change their panels. It's not really the blacks of the AMOLED screen that draw me in as much as outdoor visibility, brightness/vibrance and the ability to actually read text while you're scrolling. The Focus has it beat there. I reckon once a good price is found on eBay for one, I'll be switching over to a Focus S. The 4.3'' screen size is awesome, but WP7 really isn't made for SLCD.

thanks for the feedback. i decided against the focus because my other samsung phone seems to have really bad service, even my brother mom and dad that have the same phone said it about their samsung. i am really excited about mango.im a little confused on what i need to do to get mango installed. seems to be a lot of diff mango threads for this phone. does the htc come with a different live weather tile then the htc hub?

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Not sure what heavy use means to you people. I'm a heavy user and there's no way in hell the HD7 can last 16 hours with that battery. Just not gonna happen.
HD7s is an AT&T phone. If you want a WP7 phone on AT&T then get the focus. The extra 0.3 inches is not worth getting the HD7s.
Good rule of thumb is don't buy any smartphone with less than a 1400 mAh battery unless it's a blackberry. Really high end devices, you prolly want at least 1600. On T-Mobile there wasn't a choice unless you wanted to buy from Dell, but that creates issues in cases when you get DOA and defective devices (have to ship back, get shipped a new one, etc. instead of just driving 10 minutes to a carrier store), so we had to deal with it. I don't recommend this phone. The battery is the primary reason, but aside from that this phone has the worse sound of all the WP7 launch devices.
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Sadly, the Focus BL isn't any better than the HD7. They both are pretty much horrible.
I predict the OP will be returning his WP7 phone before long...unless he just loves the style, smoothness and elegance of WP7 enough to live with it...even with Mango.
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thanks for the feedback. i decided against the focus because my other samsung phone seems to have really bad service, even my brother mom and dad that have the same phone said it about their samsung. i am really excited about mango.im a little confused on what i need to do to get mango installed. seems to be a lot of diff mango threads for this phone. does the htc come with a different live weather tile then the htc hub?
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Don't expect much help from the devs. They tend to ignore questions because they believe any question that can ever be posted is already answered out there in the world wide web...so read.
And the rooting of WP7 phones is quite complex and vague.

i might just buy extra batteries if the battery life is that bad. so i root then install a rom with mango, right? just like my android

It's not root, it's unlock. All it does is allow you to sideload apps such as homebrew. With official unlock, you can unlock anytime. The Chevron method must be done before NoDo. Just find a pre-NoDo ROM for the HD7(S) & flash away. Chevron Unlock & upgrade to NoDo. Passing it into Mango is a bit more work as, at least with the leaks, Mango relocks WP7. there's a way to do it with ProvXML & HTC's Connection setup app. There will be an official Chevron labs Unlock for Mango that will cost money, but cut out a lot of the work. There is work on a root tool by Heathcliff & a FullUnlock (Unofficial name) by Cotulla in the works. These look promising, plus the custom update CAB's for custom ROM's that'll allow you to apply custom updates to the ROM (Change registry, patch system files, possibilities are endless).
As for battery life, I'm pretty sure I already said it. I get 8 hrs of work on moderate to heavy usage on & have 50+% left at least. I browse the internet, check Facebook, use Bing Maps, Check Emails, make calls, send SMS/MMS, all the normal stuff. Sometimes I even forget to turn off WiFi, which is supposed to eat battery life. Today alone, I used Bind Maps for directions from one delivery to another twice for a total of 1 hr with the screen on constantly, no car charger, just ordered one for work. I honestly don't know why people are complaining about battery life, it's not bad at all IMHO.

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It's not root, it's unlock. All it does is allow you to sideload apps such as homebrew. With official unlock, you can unlock anytime. The Chevron method must be done before NoDo. Just find a pre-NoDo ROM for the HD7(S) & flash away. Chevron Unlock & upgrade to NoDo. Passing it into Mango is a bit more work as, at least with the leaks, Mango relocks WP7. there's a way to do it with ProvXML & HTC's Connection setup app. There will be an official Chevron labs Unlock for Mango that will cost money, but cut out a lot of the work. There is work on a root tool by Heathcliff & a FullUnlock (Unofficial name) by Cotulla in the works. These look promising, plus the custom update CAB's for custom ROM's that'll allow you to apply custom updates to the ROM (Change registry, patch system files, possibilities are endless).
As for battery life, I'm pretty sure I already said it. I get 8 hrs of work on moderate to heavy usage on & have 50+% left at least. I browse the internet, check Facebook, use Bing Maps, Check Emails, make calls, send SMS/MMS, all the normal stuff. Sometimes I even forget to turn off WiFi, which is supposed to eat battery life. Today alone, I used Bind Maps for directions from one delivery to another twice for a total of 1 hr with the screen on constantly, no car charger, just ordered one for work. I honestly don't know why people are complaining about battery life, it's not bad at all IMHO.
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thanks for the mango rom explenation.i might have to pm you for help. that is really good battery life, seems alot better than my android

Over8ted said:
N8ter seems to have a knack for coming on the boards and slandering what he can, so I wouldn't put much trust in him.
I myself came from a Focus to an HD7S and it's pretty okay. The battery lasts quite a long time for being such a small one. I get about 14-16 hours of use if I'm checking my phone a lot, using FB, playing games, making a call and refreshing my email. I am on WiFi most of the time but I really don't see any difference using cellular data. I can get easily 24+ hours off one charge if I'm just using it a few times during the day.
The one gripe I really have about the HD7S is the screen. The ghosting on it is absolutely horrible. With the Mango update installed, I noticed it wasn't much of a problem reading scrolling white text as much, but grey text still was unreadable and tiles had a "streaking" effect still. Either way, my next phone won't be an HTC unless they change their panels. It's not really the blacks of the AMOLED screen that draw me in as much as outdoor visibility, brightness/vibrance and the ability to actually read text while you're scrolling. The Focus has it beat there. I reckon once a good price is found on eBay for one, I'll be switching over to a Focus S. The 4.3'' screen size is awesome, but WP7 really isn't made for SLCD.
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The SLCD screen is decent. The screen is much better than the panel on the original HD7.
That being said. I'm not slandering anything. Anyone who claims to be getting 16 hours with "heavy use" on this phons either lying or using a definition of "heavy use" that none of us have ever heard before. The phone never goes that long on heavy use. It's practically impossible to do it.
If they get 16 hours of heavy use on an HD7, then I get 400 hours of heavy use on my Vibrant. That's how ridiculous that sounds, and is.

What kind of plan that AT&T require you to stick with the HD7s?

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What kind of plan that AT&T require you to stick with the HD7s?
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i have the unlimited data plan
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Like what can you choose on your plan? Or you must stick with only one plan that At&T provide for hd7s?
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Could YOU go back to a Nokia E71?

Just having a look on my phone and I relise that all the things I use and rely on are available on my previous Symbian Nokia E71 and that in fact if I still had my E55 I'd be able to almost everything I do now but with 5 days battery life for camping trips instead of 1.
The Nokia E71 was released in 2008. We're now looking to 2013. This makes me want to take stock and say are we really achieving anything with smartphones these days?
Yes, there is massive improvement in an entertainment way and to be honest it's the tweaking and hacking that I love...
and indeed they are getting easier to use...
But my E55 used to be readable in bright sunlight, had global maps coverage, no wakelock problems and loads more battery life. I don't think any of that is possible with a Galaxy Note?
When I look at my frequently used, useful apps I see the following that is available on Symbian:
- VoIP via Fring
- Opera Mini... that fills in many gaps for the lack of apps
- various encryption apps, but... is this with a better security model than permissions that have been broken and sdcards that can be read?
- Gmail
- Global sat nav maps precachable
The only thing don't see that I use regularly is the HDRCam app but do I really need amazing photos?
What about you? Do you find the ebay or Eggdrop apps essential? What about QR codes?
Could you go back to a Nokia E71?

The best features of S60 was battery life I have a 6120c and I had a E72 both phones last 2 - 3 days easily and Copy/paste text Remember iOS before 2009?

What would stop me more from going back to these phones is that non touch devices blow at browsing the web, and also the fact that on Symbian you can't turn 3g connection off, which will most likely kill your battery if you have something like whatsapp installed. I could even be fine with everything else, looking at how I use my phone right now. You're kinda right, most of the mobile innovations of the latest years actually have to do more with entertainment than with anything else. Basic functions actually got better but there's actually nothing spectacular going on with that, apart from internet speeds being bumped up.
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What would stop me more from going back to these phones is that non touch devices blow at browsing the web, and also the fact that on Symbian you can't turn 3g connection off, which will most likely kill your battery if you have something like whatsapp installed.
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You can change 3G only to dual mode or 2G only in settings -> phone -> network or something like that.

I have an E71 that I got for testing purposes with our mail system. The stock interface is awful compared to the latest smartphones.
That said, I took it when travelling internationally last year. As a phone and a device to get mail, it worked fantastic. It easily kept a charge all day long, often through 12+ hour work days.
I'm not going to use it as my everyday phone, but I am going to keep this bad boy and use it when I travel or when I what i need most is a phone that will stay charged longer.

I used to own an e71...until someone stole it while I was sleeping by my bedside. Lol. Easiest robbery ever I think.
Anyway...yeah it was a very good handset for its time. Loved it to bits. Battery was very good and the keyboard was a particular favorite. Last phone I had with any physical keyboard actually.
I could not see myself go back to it however. Just be a big step backwards in terms of apps and general performance. Everything except for battery life is so much better on the modern smart phones of nowadays.
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Not exactly the same but: I miss my e90 :-( It was the best phone ever! I just wish it had US 3G. No other phone keyboard I have ever used measured up to that phone... I wonder if I could use it as a bluetooth keyboard....

Well, I have been forced into going back to my E71 while my Galaxy SII is under going warranty repair (it refused to connect to the mobile network one day after running it's battery flat).
What I miss most is my calendar syncing, and a decent imap email client that doesn't bomb when you have a few emails in the inbox. As others have said the smartphones are way better for web browsing. The E71's user interface seems just awkward and somewhat counter intuitive. I actually like the physical keyboard better then the touch screen keyboard (doesn't take up screen real estate) but accessing the extended maps is a bit of a pain. I reacon the shift key is in the wrong place and should be in the bottom outside corner as it's used more. But then it's only been a few days and I'll no doubt get used to it again.
I'd really love to make it run android and might give it a crack once I've got my SGSII back.

yeah I could. I have a Nokia e5 as a back up and it does all of the essentials and is way better to type on than my current touch screen phone is. I would miss the syncing abilities of android, and the entertainment possibilities of the nice big screen.... and apps...but I'd definitely survive.

I still can a spare copy of my sim that goes in my Nokia E71 as I use it all the time when I go on camping trips and long distance when I would be away from my charger for a extended period of time. It is hardy phone and the battery life is legendary.
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[Q] Cubot one info (HTC Clone)

preferably to anyone that has had the Cubot one for longer than a month.
does the phone still work as you had hoped? its everything fine with it?
i have read alot of good things about this phone, and am interested in getting it, i currently have the iphone 4.
this will be my first 'clone phone'
just want to know if it still holds up after a while
thanks.

Hi, I've been using the cubot one for about 4 months.
It's a good phone but, to be honest, I don't know if new next phone will be a Chinese one again.
First of all you can appreciate a big difference in performance as compared to a branded phone with similar specs (the branded one performs better), which can may consider acceptable seen the huge difference in the price.
Problem is that the lack of performance has a big impact on the way you'll use the phone (compared to the way you wanted to use it)
Do you use your phone as alarm clock? Well tell your boss you may be late sometimes becuase the cubot one happens to switch off overnight (even with fully charged battery) time by time. It happenwd to me probably 5 times in 4 months!
Do you use to take pictures with your phone? Well, its probably best you get a pocket camera always with you. Resolution of photos with the cubot one is not bad (it's a reasonable 7Mpix)...when you can see them!!! If you use the flash, the result is a completely white photo, due, I guess, to a wrong timing shutter-flash. So no night photos. If you take pictures with plenty of natual light, well 4 out of 5 will be corrupeted in zero time and the result is "no thumbnail available". I've missed a lot of shots in this way.
I still have stock 4.2.1 rom (august 2013) and time by time phone freezes or goes to deep stand by (remove battery necessary), also periodically I find new apps installed without my permission!!!
My room uses embedded GOlauncher, it does not use stock android!
From reviews it seems you can use it to play heavy games, but I can't even play temple run, it becomes a stop motion like game.
I'm currently looking for a better rom, hoping that usage experience will improve.
My partner has the same phone with june 2014 4.2.1 rom, in her case it's stock android, and she has a bit less issues than I do, but she doesn't use the phone as "intensively" as I do either.