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Samsung Announces Exynos 5250 SoC, 2GHz A15 Dual-Core

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Samsung has just unveiled a new System-on-chip (SoC) for future mobile devices. It’s the Exynos 5250 that boasts two Cortex-A15 chips clocked at 2GHz. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is created using a 32nm-low power HKMG process and is said to double the performance when compared to a 1.5GHz dual-core SoC based on Cortex-A9.
In addition to improved processing performance, Exynos 5250 features graphics performance improved by four times compared to Cortex-A9-based Application Processors, supports stereoscopic 3D displays and a display resolution of up to WQXGA (2560×1600).
Samsung says the new Exynos chip will be used in high-end tablets and will be mass produced sometime in the second quarter of next year.
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http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.

Killer Bee said:
http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.
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Damn, I just posted it in the Galaxy S3 rumor page.
Yea, you are right. It will run circles and a few squares and rectangles around any A9 SoC.

4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.

Could be S3 material, the timing (Q2) matches.
Perhaps the GPU is the SGX543's successor ?

a strong mobile and i will have a buy ..

Initially this SoC will be available to Galaxy series Tablets and not for Smartphones.....

Killer Bee said:
4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.
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T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/

Nigma2k said:
T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/
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I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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nice, maybe i will buy it

I'm thinking a Mali T604 in the 4412 and SGX 543 MP4 in the 5520. They recently announced that they have a license for 5 series MP

Killer Bee said:
I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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T658 will be 10x Mali 400, so t604 is more inline with what Samsung are saying.

iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.

Put one in a galaxy tab and give me some xda devs making firmware for it and i'll get it.

The Dogan said:
iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.
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Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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thats gonna be a crazy phone

EmoBoiix3 said:
Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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I thought it was based on theirs? Just with some tweaks for iOS and all that.
EDIT: Just checked wikipedia and it says the A5 is manufactured by Samsung. If it's manufactured by sammy then I'd say there's a pretty good chance it's based on their tech.

No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
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Looks really nice, thanks!

Kailkti said:
No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
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Aren't they at war ?
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I wonder how much it will overclock

Dual core or quad core

Im thinking of a new phone but im perplexed. Should i get a dual core now like the Note or the Nexus or should i try and wait for a quad core? I dont usually game pn my phone, i have a Galaxy Tab for that.
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people would tell you to get the quad, but personally I wouldn't cause
a : No app needs THAT much power yet, ( I might be wrong here. )
b : Battery life.

JunyuT. said:
people would tell you to get the quad, but personally I wouldn't cause
a : No app needs THAT much power yet, ( I might be wrong here. )
b : Battery life.
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I would tend to agree with you.
Especially if your not worried about games.
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While I agree with the guys above, but I'm also in the same boat as the TC. I'm currently upgrade eligible and I've thought about buying a dual-core phone as I currently have an Aria but I think I've decided to wait until the Galaxy S3. If any of the rumors are true about it, it wont be out of date by my next upgrade.

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The only "announced" quad cores are the huwai whatever its called(sorry dont remember the name of the phone). And the htc one x. Unfortunatly the htc will not have a quad core in america yet because the tegra3 is not lte compatable so i think we all gonna have to settle for dual core this year. I could be wrong but it seems like we wont get a quad for a while yet.
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Luckily I just upgraded to the Samsung Glide in November but I know what you mean. Why go Dual core if you can get Quad core and be set for a good amount of time. The only thing I worry about quad core is will it eat up battery power?

My dual core is plenty and it doesn't even have dual core optimization ics OS yet... I can't think of any reason to need a quad core. It's like using a server to power notepad
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I'm using quad core. i feel ok
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What about Four+1?
What about 4-PLUS-1 technology? Any idea whether such systems actually make things run more efficiently using only 1 core (the "ninja" core) for low-end tasks? No idea about this, just floating it to see what news there is out there about this technology.

First of all based on ur bugdet
Second quad core rocks but if u don't need intensive processing with ur smartphone I would say go for the galaxy note its amazing
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Dual core most people will tell you quadcore is faster than dual core this is false. Just because you have two more of something doesn't mean anything if you can not use it properly. This is why tegra 3 as you see gets beat by Qualcomm krait (dual core) and Ti omap 5 (dual core). Its not about how many cores its about efficiency. Nvidia pretty much doesn't know what they are doing still in the phone market.

Quad core on a phone is not required imo.
I would stick with a dual core (My Galaxy SII has never given me any trouble) - quad core is pricy and no real need for it at present. But you can always do a future investment since you will eventually want a quad core.
I am personally waiting till my quad core phones drop in price and are required.

The note does look sweet but my luck sprint wont get it and htc said the one x will be the fagship phone for this year
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when android can fully utilize two cores, then we'll talk. Until then this is pointless. Quad core = less battery

Why no three cores?
I would like an upgrade as well lol, even if it means 1GHz Single core as I am currently surviving on 528MHz OC'ed to 692MHz (ofc single core) lol
It can handle everyday tasks all right but when you mention 3D games it dies (no gpu)

T__ said:
Quad core on a phone is not required imo.
I would stick with a dual core (My Galaxy SII has never given me any trouble) - quad core is pricy and no real need for it at present. But you can always do a future investment since you will eventually want a quad core.
I am personally waiting till my quad core phones drop in price and are required.
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The thing is, the HTC One X in the UK can be brought for £28.50 a month - I would have to pay more than that for the Galaxy Nexus. Quad core phones are no more expensive to buy than dual core - phone manufacturers realise that at present, they simply don't have a market for constant £41 on free prices.

For the people who say quad core means less battery are wrong. Nvidia is still using
A9 architecture and 40 mn. Ti omap5, exynos (5, something), Krait, all beat tegra 3 quad core technology. Ti omap 5 and krait are using 28mn and exynos supposedly using 32mn. All of these processors are a15 which pretty much destroys nvidia a9 architecture. They also use less power voltage and completing the same task. Compared to tegra 3.

Quad core is pointless if you don't have the battery to back it up. The Razr Maxx has a 3,300mAh battery. That should have been available a long time ago. Companies keep designing phones with bigger screens, more powerful processors, and energy-draining 4G LTE. This is all fun and well, but the battery is the most important part and need to be worked on more.

In some cases dual core processors can actually be faster than processors with quad core.

Which processor is better?

Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?

RUSSIAN787 said:
Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Better for what? Performance, energy saving, games on mobile phone? Quad-Core vs Dual-Core?
I'd prefer Quad-Core, but have never find a good test or benchmark for it.
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RUSSIAN787 said:
Which processor is better? Samsung Exynos 4 Quad ARM Mali-400 MP4 OR Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 adreno 225?Much better?
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Is your question in regards to the sgs3? The Mali has a better gpu but processing power they are about equal with all the bench marks. Quad core is nice for aaving battery power (more cores work less as hard as a dual or single core so it it uses less battery) but I think its a a9 architecture but the s4 is a a15 architecture which is much more optimized then a a9 so its a little bit better for battery.
And the s4 allows for 4g lte where as Mali does not.
And the s4 pro is coming out soon and the lg optimus g will have that which will probably destroy both of them out of the water.
S4 pro is a a15 quad core with adreno 320 gpu and will be the first quad to support 4g lte.
The optimus g has all the same specs as sgs3 expect it has the better cpu/gpu. Ram, screen size, resolution as well as internal memory are all the same and I think its SD card slot allows for a 64gb card as well. If it comes out for Verizon then I will be torn between that and the sgs3. Depends on dev support if It comes out on Verizon.
But for the Mali its one up is it gpu. S4 one up is 4g lte. Every thing else is marginal and as an end user you will not see the difference.
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Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?

Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!

RUSSIAN787 said:
Yes I to sgs3. In terms of what the processor is better? in games for example? In general, whether with MSM8960 Snapdragon S4 go to Exynos?
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The exynos is better for hardcore 3d gaming, but otherwise you won't notice the difference in day to day and casual gaming.
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FEXTEZI said:
Hi dude! both processors are good! And dont forget about A6(Iphone5). Sry for iphone 5 but that processor is ammazing!
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Doesn't matter because since its an iPhone its scaled back to "improve stability" so you will never get its full potential just like iphone 4s is.
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qualcomm did not much inferior to Exynos?

In most of the reviews of US and international S3, Exynos scored more than snapdragon. But I believe, normal user will not feel much difference.

I had one with Exynos in hand. Pretty good.

i think the Exynos is very good

S4 or Tegra3?

which one X should i buy?
tegra has the nvidia graphics and quad core
but the s4 uses a15 arch and the solid adreno 225
what do you guys find is the better version?

DonDizzurp said:
which one X should i buy?
tegra has the nvidia graphics and quad core
but the s4 uses a15 arch and the solid adreno 225
what do you guys find is the better version?
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Tegra 3..... By FAR!
faster, better gpu & 32gb.
S4 uses less battery, but more battery on standby.
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DonDizzurp said:
which one X should i buy?
tegra has the nvidia graphics and quad core
but the s4 uses a15 arch and the solid adreno 225
what do you guys find is the better version?
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I am developing graphics apps for android (like live wallpapers). I have a lot of phones and tablets for testing including HTC One X (Tegra 3), Aer A701 (Tegra 3), Sensation (Andreno) and Samsung device (Mali400P).
I can say Tegra 3 is the slowest platform over all top devices. NVidia promoted it nice, so people think that Tegra3 really the best if not the bestest. But, my expirience of development disapprove it.
Floating point ops on Tegra3 is very slow. Rendering speed and filling operations EXTREMELY SLOW.
GPU is slower than Andreno or Mali. HTC One X renders scenes slower than Sensation or any Samsung device with MALI400P.
On Acer A701 stock android launcher lags (coz of tegra3 cant handle such resolution for fill ops).
Compared to all other platforms Tegra3 overheats device most of all. If you launch any real 3d game (Shadowgun for example), HTC One X will become very hot in several minutes and you get your fingers hurt while touching the screen.
So, DO NOT GET TEGRA3 devices at all till NVidia make it much more better.
And remember the number of apps that cannot be ran under tegra3 devices. It's just because tegra3 currently completely sucks :cyclops:
Also remember, you do not need quad cores CPU coz currently there are no apps that use parallel processing. And the situation will not change until OpenAL mobile support.
2 cores is enough most of the times (1 for interface and 1 for background tasking).
Have a nice time

Why do you think the One X+ has a tegra3+

hmm.. mixed responses so far. hopefully the one x+ fixes whatever tegra3 lacks
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lol...

and nvidia difficulty release source or drivers
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Sorry tegra 3 is overrated. It's more of a battle between quad core exynos and dual core S4 (yes I am talking about the galaxy s3), but tegra 3 is no match for either of them. Same with tegra 2. It would appear that NVIDIA makes the first dual or quad core CPU for a phone but later on other CPUs surpass it.
The S4 one x (in the states) also has LTE
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Where is this thread?) Oh, found it!
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dual-core vs. quad-core

Hello all!
Long time reader, first time poster! I had a quick question... regarding the new 1.5 dual-core processors in the new phones (SIII, RAZR HD, etc., or even the HTC Rezound) vs. the quad-core processors soon to release on the newer phones in the coming months. How much faster is the quad-core vs. the dual-core? Please don't respond with "twice as fast," I get that I was wondering if there would really be any noticeable difference in the speed capabilities of the phone, even when worked to it's limit.
For instance, 1 degree vs. 2 degrees temperature - it's "twice as hot," but you're not going to notice it at all. But 40 degress vs. 80 degrees - "it's twice as hot" has a whole new meaning!
I am wanting to get a new RAZR MAXX HD, but was debating holding off for the LG Nexus or another quad-core phone that's on the horizon... Thanks in advance for all your help!

In Europe SIII has a quadcore too
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Personally I don't think it's noticeable at all. Maybe when browsing web, rendering goes faster in multi-core optimised browsers. And of course some games would run better. But I can't imagine any other use, unless you want to run SuperPI in the terminal there. It'll probably run nearly twice faster.
Edit: From the other point. There will be more and more optimisations in Android for multi-core SoCs, so quad-core will for sure "last longer".

Rebellos, thanks for the help! Not to open a whole can of worms, but what do you mean "run SuperPI"? Is this an app that I should be familiarizing myself with? (Fairly new to the ROMs, rooting, bootloaders side of things)

When I got my captivate, I had the option of waiting a month to get the atrix which had a dual core processor. I choose to go for the sure-fire "I Know it'll have dev support" single core processor and don't regret it.
This time however, there are like 3 quad core devices coming out. One x+ has a tegra 3, the Note 2 has an exynos. The Optimus G has an S4.
While dev support is still important.. the S4 is an incredibly compelling factor for me personally.

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Rebellos, thanks for the help! Not to open a whole can of worms, but what do you mean "run SuperPI"? Is this an app that I should be familiarizing myself with? (Fairly new to the ROMs, rooting, bootloaders side of things)
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SuperPi is nothing more than a benchmark you really don't need to concern yourself with.
Remember when you are talking about cores, it is not simply the number of cores that you need to take into consideration but also the architecture which those new cores are built on. The new A15 Krait chips are dual core, but will blow the door off a quad core CPU with an older architecture. MHZ and Cores are relative. If they put out a modern super phone with a dual core processor you can bet those are two beefy and very fast cores.
There is the valid point that Android is going to continue to specialize in multithread execution but 1 core does not necessarily translate into 1 thread. A hyper-threaded cpu core actually shows up as 2 physical cores to the computer it serves, so if you are running a dual core that is hyper-threaded the PC thinks there is a quad core on board. It also depends on what type of application you are running as to whether a very solid 1 thread computational approach would be superior to a multi-threaded approach.
In short there is not set answer. There are hypothetical road maps defining architecture but these days innovation is so common said road maps could made an abrupt 180 if circumstances change. When if is time to buy a phone, or any computational device, consider what it's primary task is. That could help you decide whehter a multi or single threaded approach could be more effective. Ultimately as mentioned earlier everything is going the way of the multi-core, multi-thread, meaning instead of having 1 processor/thread complete 1 job, muliple processor/threads complete several mini jobs to arrive at the same point. Usually a multi threaded approach is more effective if designed correctly. Then look at what is available, where is your bang for the buck. Ultimately the number of cores and frequency run at has little to do with processing prowess. It's about design, innovation and engineering. Sorry if this didn't help much. It was more designed to give you something to thing about as apposed to pat, here you are, here's your answer as I rarely believe there is 1 approach or 1 answer to a solution. That's what computing is and computers = phones = innovation.

For gaming it makes a difference. For everything else, not really. Comparing the HTC One X vs the One XL (Tegra 3 Quad vs Snapdragon S4 Dual, respectively), the One XL benchmarks as faster than the One X CPU-wise (calculations), but the One X is more powerful graphically because the GeForce GPU inside the Tegra 3 chipset is more powerful than the Adreno 225 inside the Snapdragon S4. I have the Galaxy S3 i9300 while my girlfriend has the AT&T Snapdragon S4 Dual (LTE + 2GB RAM) version. Mine is clearly faster when it comes to heavy gaming, noticeably. Hers jerks on certain games like Beach Buggy Blitz, even on middle-level resolution, while mine runs completely smoothly on the highest resolution.
The only real comparison would be Snapdragon S4 Dual vs Snapdragon S4 Quad, or Exynos Dual vs Exynos Quad. The Galaxy S2 was as smooth as the S3, from personal experience (Sprint, Exynos version vs GS3 International Exynos version). Gaming was also super fast. But the Exynos quad is definitely more powerful.
TL;DR: It depends heavily on the chipsets being compared.

I have a T-Mobile Galaxy S2 running AOKP JB. In my opinion AOKP JB is A LOT faster than CM10. My phone is really fast now. Dual-core is still good.

gaming and browsing
u can feel the difference in gaming and web browsing....

Sometimes Dual Core is better for example the Exynos 5250
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megafabian03 said:
Sometimes Dual Core is better for example the Exynos 5250
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True, but that's a completely different architecture. Exynos 4412 (the one in the i9300) is based on Cortex A9, whereas the Exynos 5520 is Cortex A15. It's like saying quad-core Pentium 3 vs dual-core Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 is a more advanced architecture, so it would win. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Yes the 4412 is just double Dualcore
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Yes the 4412 is just double Dualcore
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Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.

Thanks for all the advice and tips everyone! And thanks to fusuikan for the very lengthy explanation of SuperPI and insight into processing chips!

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Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.
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But Samsung has just doubled the cores and not founded a new processor
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For heavy games it makes difference.

In my opinion, a A15 based dual core may be a better as an overall proposition compared to a quad core A9. The A15 should have approximately 20%-40%+ better single threaded performance. Most of the time you are working in a single threaded mode.
In fact you only need quad core when using a very high multi-threaded load. Not very common on a phone.
If however the choice is between a dual core A15 vs a quad core A15, the choice becomes very straightforward. Get the quad-core in that case.

Dual Core A15 vs Quad Core A9 (of the same type of chipset, like Exynos 4412 Quad in the S3 vs Exynos 5520 in the Nexus 10/Samsung Chromebook), Dual wins. It's more efficient and just overall more powerful. The first A15 chipset are the Snapdragon S4 Pro (Quad only) and the Exynos 5250. It's speculated though that the Galaxy S4 will have an Exynos 5 Quad.
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Product F(RED) said:
Dual Core A15 vs Quad Core A9 (of the same type of chipset, like Exynos 4412 Quad in the S3 vs Exynos 5520 in the Nexus 10/Samsung Chromebook), Dual wins. It's more efficient and just overall more powerful. The first A15 chipset are the Snapdragon S4 Pro (Quad only) and the Exynos 5520. It's speculated though that the Galaxy S4 will have an Exynos 5 Quad.
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Actually its Exynos 5250 not 5520 and s4 pro is not based on A15 architecture its quite similar but A15(dual core) gives better performance than s4 pro(quad core) in single threaded operations ,but in multi threaded operations s4 pro is better,but with same number of cores on both ,A15(quad core) would be better than s4 pro(quad core) in both multi threaded and single threaded operations.
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Product F(RED) said:
Exynos 4412 is the quad core version in the Galaxy S3 i9300. The Exynos Dual core inside of the Galaxy S II is the 4212.
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Galaxy s2 GT I9100 uses exynos
4210 not 4212
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