Something has just dawned on me, I have just ordered a full Transformer but never checked if it has an Ethernet port on the dock. Can anyone confirm. I spend a LOT of time in hotels and a lot still use cable connection.
If not, is there any way around this that you can think of (not tethered to phone though, as on fixed data plan). Is there an adaptor to convert one of the other ports to Ethernet?
I have not heard of any tablet coming out with an ethernet port. I suppose a USB to ethernet adapter may work, but I doubt Android has the drivers (I may be wrong though).
Its not listed as the ports in this thread
Although if someone developed a USB Host, you could buy an Ethernet to USB adapter.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the underlying Linux will make a USB -> Ethernet converter work fine. But you'll have to try that. Secondly, I don't know if Android has support for USB internet connections. They only cost 5 to 10 euros so it can't hurt much to just try.
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I have not heard of any tablet coming out with an ethernet port. I suppose a USB to ethernet adapter may work, but I doubt Android has the drivers (I may be wrong though).
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Guess I just think of Android as baby Linux, so it never really crossed my mind until now. Guess my old Eee PC will have to go in my suitcase on long trips too. Bugger.
Where are the USB ports? Are they actually on the dock? Thought I read somewhere that it was on the charger cable or something???
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I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the underlying Linux will make a USB -> Ethernet converter work fine. But you'll have to try that. Secondly, I don't know if Android has support for USB internet connections. They only cost 5 to 10 euros so it can't hurt much to just try.
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Exactly my thought too. I will buy one and give it a go when I get mine on the 19th. Doubt you've heard the last of this question.
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Its not listed as the ports in this thread
Although if someone developed a USB Host, you could buy an Ethernet to USB adapter.
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Certainly sounds plausible.
Sorry for the Q omission, will ensure it's in place next time.
Can't you take a small WiFi router with you?
Like this - http://www.random-good-stuff.com/2009/10/19/tiny-travel-wifi-router/ - but it's probably not cheap.
I have a couple of different brands of USB-Ethernet adaptor, so I will test this out as well.
When I stay in hotels I usually take a small router with me to share the internet easily with phone lappy etc.
Guys, what a fabulous idea. I have bloody stacks of old G and even a spare N router knocking around. Genius. I only ever need it for a hotel room, so will always have a suitcase anyway. Thanks.
Would be really interested if there is a less bulky option, but the router option is perfect otherwise.
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I have a couple of different brands of USB-Ethernet adaptor, so I will test this out as well.
When I stay in hotels I usually take a small router with me to share the internet easily with phone lappy etc.
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Did you manage to try the USB adaptors?
Not that you need another wireless router, but if size is your primary concern, something like this should help:
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320025
They make "travel size" routers like this one.
Thanks, but I think I will stick to a normal router at that price. Have bucket loads knocking around. Would still be keen to know if USB Ethernet could be made to work, though.
this seems like an alright travel router...
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2-4ghz-54mbps-802-11g-b-wlan-wifi-wireless-usb-card-router-ap-45460
I bought a LM Technologies Lm007 - 802.11n Pocket Router
and it is one of the most versatile pieces of IT kit I have ever bought!
Very pleased indeed, and available for about £20 if you hunt about.
Details:
Wi-Fi Wireless Pocket Router N is designed for people on the go, user can carry it travelling around and work at anywhere. It is compliant with 802.11n Draft 2.0 specifications, up to 150Mbps data rate, provides multi-functional capabilities, particularly the high performance throughput and high-quality security. Incorporating fast Ethernet ports and is compatible to other wireless (802.11b/g/n) networking device, It enables your whole network to share a high-speed cable or DSL connection. Its high performance is ideal for media-centric applications like streaming video, gaming and Voice over IP technology.
LM Technologies 802.11n Wi-Fi Wireless Pocket Router N
Wireless speed up to 150Mbps data rate
WEB based management and configuration
UPnP, IGMP Snooping & Proxy
Dynamic DNS, NTP client service
Log table and remote Log service
Setup Wizard mode
Wireless schedule
Compatible with IEEE 802.11b/11g/11n Draft 2.0 Specifications
IEEE 802.3x full duplex flow control on 10/100M Ethernet interface
Bridging, routing and WISP functions between wireless and wired Ethernet interfaces
DHCP server to provide clients auto IP addresses assignment and static DHCP functions
DHCP client, static IP, PPPoE, PPTP, L2TP of WAN Interface
Firewall security with port filtering, IP filtering, MAC filtering, port forwarding, URL Filtering and DMZ hosting functions
Multiple AP, provides maximum 5 groups of SSID
AP mode, Client mode, WDS, AP+WDS and Universal Repeater
QoS which controls the bandwidth by IP or MAC address
Denial-of-Service
WPS (Wi-Fi Protected Setup)
Range upto 100 m indoors and upto 280 m outdoors
Has anyone tried a USB ethernet adapter? I'm occasionally called in to reconfigure a friend or relatives home router and most of those will only allow access to the html management interface from an ethernet connection. I'd love to be able to use the transformer for this instead of lugging my gigantic laptop around.
I know that for rooted Iconia A500s, someone has written a Kernel Module that allows use of USB 3G Dongles in the USB Host Port. It's probably not going to be that difficult to write a Kernel Module for USB ethernet adaptors. There are probably lots out there that use the same chipset/driver.
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Did you manage to try the USB adaptors?
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I tested 2 different brands (Belkin and a Generic) and neither worked..
The drivers for the ethernet adapters would have to be compiled into the kernel as modules or static in the kernel. They are not compiled when the vendor creates the kernel, as they are only looking at the drivers they need to support their hardware.
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Ok, I have bridged a connection from my laptop (xp pro) to my Xbox 360 with a crossover cable. I have my ppc 6800 mogul tethered to the laptop to provide the internet with ICS. Here is my problem... When I test everything out, I get a NAT setting of "moderate". I need to get the NAT settings "open" in order for it to work correctly. I have played like this for the past couple of days, but I have to have one of my friends invite me anytime that I want to play.
Do you think that it is my phone is the problem, or the laptop? I wish I could just get cable or dsl, but it's not available in my area.
Any help welcome!
Thanks!
Honestly I'm shocked you are trying to do this at all. All the XBOX people I know won't even use a router because of lag.
yeah i don't think using the internet connection from your cell phone could be expected to fully support the bandwidth required to run xbox live...
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yeah i don't think using the internet connection from your cell phone could be expected to fully support the bandwidth required to run xbox live...
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Microsoft requires 256 down and 64 up. I have supplied 1.5 down and 144 up. The only thing that I seem to be having a problem with is a little bit of lag (150 to 250ms). My real issue is the ability to connect to others to join in a session. That is where my NAT settings come into play. If you have a moderate or strict setting, it is almost impossible to join in.
that's pretty near... i would have never thought it could support it... awesome
dont understand what you mean only because i dont have a 360 but i have done this before.
Just replace the ps2 for 360 and the wifi connection for the cell connection. Not saying it will help but maybe something will. it may have things that you didn't do.
http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/118/62/
This won't work.
ATT and most providers data networks uses NAT.
This means your phone gets an address like 10.0.42.123 in ATT's cellular network -- and has a public IP of e.g. 64.2.3.2.
Obviously this is NAT -- and it of course is not in a DMZ, nor does it have port forwarding for XBOX live to your cell's IP.
From wikipedia:
In computer networking, Network Address Translation (NAT, also known as Network Masquerading, Native Address Translation or IP Masquerading) is a technique of transceiving network traffic through a router that involves re-writing the source and/or destination IP addresses and usually also the TCP/UDP port numbers of IP packets as they pass through.
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Hosts behind NAT-enabled routers do not have true end-to-end connectivity and cannot participate in some Internet protocols. Services that require the initiation of TCP connections from the outside network, or stateless protocols such as those using UDP, can be disrupted. Unless the NAT router makes a specific effort to support such protocols, incoming packets cannot reach their destination. Some protocols can accommodate one instance of NAT between participating hosts ("passive mode" FTP, for example), sometimes with the assistance of an Application Layer Gateway (see below), but fail when both systems are separated from the Internet by NAT.
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You can call your provider and ask them to open port forwarding, but they won't know what you're talking about -- and since they give DHCP leases the port forward rules would only be temporary anyways. Besides, that would cause serious issues for everyone on their network if they forwarded a port for you. (E.G. Any inbound port request would go to you, disrupting service for other customers.)
I doubt gameplay would be usable over 3G or EVDO anyways.
DUDE! i have been tryin 360+Mogul
i have been tryin and tryin... took my 360 apart tryin some mods. still... ONLY can connect my Xbox 360... to my laptop... which is connected online by my mogul Via WifiRouter-3g to-Usb. WHY cant someone figure out HOW... and Make it available to DIRECTLY CONNECT XBOX 360 ONLINE THROUGH POCKET PC INTERNET SHARING?!?!?! i know i dont have the knowledge... but somone does.... WM5torage... im sure you have heard of it...? it is a strong base.. when i connect my phone to 360 with that app runnin... my 360 thinks about it for min... then decides it wont recognise it...im outta ideas... somone....
IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES!!! modify an xbox 360 shell.. and a small laptop screen with xbox harddrive/with a small computer all in one... lay xbox on lap.. flip open the lid.. wireless keyboard and internet.... whoa...
HA my idea has been posted... anyone does it ill sue... jk... kinda.
OH and by the way..
this setup... mogul-wifirouter-3g-usb... usb to pc...pc...eithernet-xbox3sexy... i will dominate all. cod4-BattleField2ModernCombat and bad company lag? whats that
hi all I have a htc tornado i have a wifi router in my house i use my wifi on my laptop.i have pc also in my house which does not have wifi connection on it so is there any way to use my Tornado's wifi to get connectivity on my Pc.Help required plese
im not sure, i think i tried a long time ago but not sure of the results. but you could always go buy a usb wifi adapter. they are very cheap. you could probably find one on craigslist for 10-20 bucks
I can't sure, But U can try the WiFiFoFum
Good luck!
Not got any usful answers yet plz help.........
There is no support like this yet. Since Activesync connection sharing only works with the GPRS connection on your phone. (You dial the dial up number on your PC which connects GPRS on your phone and your PC to Internet via GPRS)
Get a ethernet bridge or Asus router and use DD-WRT. I don't like how usb adapters work* when you can just simply use ethernet standard not relying non stardard drivers from manufacturers.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0026&cm_re=asus_router-_-33-320-026-_-Product
* I had bad experiance with netgear because lack of support vista 64 bit then later windows 7 64bit
OK, my wife and I each have Sprint Samsung Galaxy S3's. We both have Wifi Tether TrevE mod installed and working and we also have a linksys router running DD-WRT.
I have wanted for a long time to create a stable home network with the router using our phones for internet. Reason being, We both have laptops that need access to our WiFi networked printer. And I also wanted to create a networked storage.
I started out trying to use the Router as a repeater bridge. The problem here is that in that mode there is no DHCP server in the router, so when you turn off WiFi Tether in the phone, there is no IP assignment taking place since it is handled by the phone. This is ok for the printer because we can set a static IP, but not ok for the laptops because they need to have auto ip assignment for all the other networks they might encounter. Plus I'd like to be able to have a friend come over and use the printer if need be without having to change his IP address. So this setup is unstable.
Then I tried the Router in Repeater mode. In this mode IP addresses are being assigned and everyone can see everyone else on the network. The problem here though, is that the Router and all connecting devices have to be in a separate subnet than the WiFi Tethering phone, i.e, Tethered Phone on 192.168.1.x and Router on 192.168.2.x (as far as I can tell anyway, I've tried putting them on the same subnet but fail to get internet access.) It's a problem because I have Samba Filesharing installed on the phones and the tethered phone is in a different subnet and not visible on the network. I want all devices visible.
So that's kind of where I am now, Wifi Tether on both phones (each setup with same settings so either phone can be used as our internet gateway) but they are on a separate subnet from the rest of the network while tethering.
How do I get all of my devices to be visible on the network?
Do I need a different setup in DD-WRT?
Currently it is setup in Gateway mode with DHCP server and wireless is in repeater mode with a VLAN setup with a different SSID from the WiFi tethered phone.
Do I need to usb tether the phone to the router? I have a usb port on the router but I've not found good instructions for getting the phones internet through to the router that way and I'm not sure that I would want it that way since I wouldn't be able to walk around with my phone.
Is there a way to make devices in different subnets visible to each other? Some kind of bridging or static routing or something?
Is it possible to have the phone connect to the router in a normal manner and for the router to then share the phones internet connection with the rest of the network? Then at least the router could run DHCP and be stable even without the phones.
Again, just to clarify, I want a home network with devices connecting to my WiFi router running DD-WRT and internet being provided by one of our phones, but with the network remaining intact when the internet provided phone is removed. Thanks for your help.
Bonus questions:
Is it possible to harness the power of both of our phones internet connections into one network by any means possible?
Are there any other wifi/tethering apps or another version of WiFi Tether that offer more features or the functionality of DD-WRT?
did you see this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548844
pbmurdoc said:
did you see this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548844
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Thanks. Not much new there other than Barnacle. Didn't know about it, tried it, doesn't work on my phone. I would like to see a version of WiFi Tether with some more options though, why couldn't we have one with the same options as DD-WRT?
I did some more reading and I think what I need to do is link the subnet created by the router to the primary router (the phone serving Wifi Tether) through static routing. Unfortunately the static route needs to be done through the primary router and WiFi Tether doesn't include features like that.
I'll do some more experimenting and see what happens.
[A] Cellular Phone/USB Modem As WAN Connection
Answer is in the DD-WRT Wiki, here (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Cellular_Phone/USB_Modem_as_WAN_connection).
Or just google "DD-WRT Cellular Phone/USB Modem As WAN Connection", it should be the #1 result.
Their WIKI is a great resource.
Good luck!
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In retrospect, I am unsure about linking to the DD-WRT site... external and all. If this is a no-no just let me know and I will delete the link.
DD-WRT Client Bridge worked for me
I was able to do what you're trying to do by configuring my DD-WRT router as a Client Bridge.
I can't post the link, but there are directions I followed exactly on the DD-WRT wiki in the section:
DD-WRT wiki mainpage / Linking Routers / Client Bridged
I'm connecting my router to the tether via wifi, and connecting my wired devices to the router. I haven't had it working long, but so far it has been great.
Got it, sort of
Just to update this thread. The client bridge is a great way to connect a wired network to the bridge but loses out on creating a stable wi-fi network when the phone tether is turned off.
Anyway, the final setup I managed was having the DD-WRT router set as a wireless repeater with a computer connected to it running a DHCP server. The computer takes care of the IP addreses so that we have a stable wired/wi-fi intranet when the phone is not sharing it's internet connection.
Update: I founde another solution/project based on OpenWRT
http://ofmodemsandmen.com/
my exploits using a Linksys E3000 have been documented here:
http://tweakedrom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7
I kind of like the USB tether thing. The E3000 Router USB power charges and maintains my SCH-i605 (Verizon Samsung GN2) running CM12.1. I use this as a backup connection or in the event of main cable modem service disruption at the house. It is also great for traveling (hotels) or camping (car 12v adapter for router, or power inverter)
I just bought a used Asus RT-N66U router. Out of the box it supports USB tethering with android phones and dual WANs for failover/load balancing. ROOter also works, tested the x86 build on an old PC. I'm looking to cut out my ISP completely and just use 4G from the phone for internet. The issue I have run into is that I can't appear to do DDNS or port forwarding. My wireless carrier (verizon) appears to be employing a double NAT. If I perform a speedtest on the ookla app, I get 2 IP addresses in the results, an "internal" and an "external". Both are in the public range but I can't DDNS in with either of the IPs, nor can I get any kind of service working.
Anyone have a solution for this? I'm not 100% sure but I wonder if using the SIM card in a dedicated USB 4G modem (not tethering via the phone) would get me a direct IP? I suppose I could also sign up for a VPN service and run OpenVPN on the router but that'd cut down on speeds I think. I've also heard about punching holes for ports but I'm not 100% sure how that works, I assume I still need some 3rd party public IP for relaying or something.
I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
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how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
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It is AT&T's router. I have Uverse and this is the one they gave us.Motorola should be who i call if anyone but the problem is Microsoft's ..All others have no problem connecting
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I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
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Never had an issue with any form of encryption with the Surface RT - it's got the standard windows 8 wifi stack and connects to anything I throw at it, including WPA2/AES.
Not sure why you're having an issue, but you haven't given us much to go on for troubleshooting.
And getting a real router isn't possible?
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And getting a real router isn't possible?
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Apparently this (MOTOROLA NVG510) router is the only one I can use in my area with U-Verse.
Thats bull. Is it a combo router/modem? If so you should still be able to hook up a wireless router off of that if it has at least one ethernet port.
see thats what BT claimed when they installed BT infinity at my grandparents but we dont have the stock router running off of it
Thanks for the suggestions. I returned the Surface. I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else. On the other hand. Annoys me that every gadget I own (and there are many) connects with no problem EXCEPT the surface.
diane
Your router is old. Something is probably interfering with the Surface Pro's connectivity. Your SP's wifi card isn't busted if it can connect without encryption. It shouldn't have a problem. I'd suggest ditching the modem's wifi and buying a router and using that instead for wifi and leave the modem alone.
99% sure it's a setting in your router that's causing you to not be able to connect a new device through wifi.
First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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the problem was for sure the modem. There are no settings to tweak... It's gotta be the worst modem on the planet-but then U.verse doesn't feel any faster than my old ATT DSL connection. I asked to have my DSL back and ATT said that was not an option. ATT told me this modern is the only one for my area. Maybe it is time I looked into Brighthouse. I am sure there is a way around that modem but in my frustration I returned the Surface. Very sure I will buy another Surface . . I still have my Samsung Slate 7 with Windows 8... Another plus is it has a 3G connection. the more I use Windows 8 the more I like it, wish the Slate was a bit smaller.
Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
>We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
OP's name is Diane.
Secondly, as posted in the OP, the device is a Motorola NVG 510. A 10-second lookup would show that it's a combined ADSL2+router, and it's not a simple matter of swapping out a router. Combined-function devices are SOP for leased models, since it saves the company money over having two boxes.
http://google.com/search?q=Motorola+NVG+510
It's a Surface problem. The user shouldn't be expected to mess with things like router settings and learn to be a geek. The device in question is obviously in popular use, and it's up to MS to get it right. The OP did the correct thing in returning the Surface.
However, for those with more tech savvy, the above search produces this help page for the modem+router,
http://www.ron-berman.com/2011/11/24/motorola-nvg510-help-page-for-att-u-verse-users/
which has both the manual and more importantly, a FAQ to troubleshoot connection issues, and links to more appropriate forums to ask further questions on this particular topic.
As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection. Yes your ISP's router will still be broadcasting but so will the new 3rd party one, you just connect to that. This is a configuration I have tested with a BT homehub and some ****ty Netgear.
To access the new routers settings, unplug it from the ISPs router first and then access the settings in the normal way. or if you can find the new local IP for the additional router you can use that.
>As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection.
Either the new router has to be reconfig'ed into an AP, or the old router needs to be disabled. Can't have both routers active. Likewise, the old wifi needs to be disabled, or the new one reconfigured that they don't conflict. Regardless, it's not plug and play. Either or both units would need configuration.
The household Internet router is the single most critical piece of equipment there is, because if the user messes up, s/he loses Internet access ENTIRELY and access to any further help. Without local help, that may mean several days' downtime and an expensive bill for onsite repair. I would NEVER, EVER tell a non-tech user to reconfigure his/her router, especially when the person said "I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else."
Everyone here has good intentions and want to help. Then, the first thing to helping is to listen to what is said, and gauge the person's comfort level with tech. No one even bothered to check up on the OP's router model.
The OP has a stable, working setup. Anything that jeopardizes that setup is bad advice, not unless you are willing to foot the onsite service cost for the person. The preferred solution is to remove the known-problem component, which in this case is the Surface.
PS: A long shot is to go into the Surface's Device Manager, select the Properties tab of the wifi card, and muck around with the advanced settings (if there are any).
You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
That said, if you wanted port forwarding and such to work smoothly, it *would* be best to turn off DHCP and NAT on the inner router. However, that's not necessary to simply get Internet access via the router.
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You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
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Which is precisely what I originally said.
I have daisy chained a cheap as **** netgear router to my BT homehub without any setting changes at all. I was actually using it as an ethernet extension cable pretty much, I didnt have a single cable long enough so I plugged one between the homehub/main router and the netgear and one between the netgear and a raspberry pi. Would you look at that, my laptop can connect to the netgear and get internet access from it, the pi also connects via its ethernet port perfectly.
My grandparents use a set of homeplugs, how do they connect? daisy chaining.
One of my mates has 3 ethernet devices in one room but only one LAN port drilled into the wall (he had an electrician out once to actually have LAN sockets fitted in a few rooms). Solution: cheap wireless router connected to the LAN port in the wall. Other devices connected to the router. Router had 6 ports so he still has 2 left over. Devices connect to it fine. Originally it was default settings but he has since gone and disabled the routers wifi as he doesnt use it.
That said. I came across a linksys unit once which refused to be used as an access point of any kind. But that was only once.
>You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
Having nested routers (ie segmenting the network) is a prescription for myriad network problems in the hands of a non-tech user. Again, listen to what the OP said, rather than assume everyone is a geek who knows what DHCP and NAT means, let alone how to change them.
Even if the OP can get the new router configured and running properly, the potential for problem remains. When ISP service goes down, the ISP tech will remote troubleshoot the leased equipment (the old router), since that's the ISP's responsibility. With user equipment attached, troubleshooting responsibility passes on to the user, which the OP has stated in no uncertain terms that she's not capable of.
The point isn't to get Internet access. The OP already has Internet access. The point is to get the Surface to connect to the network, but NOT AT THE EXPENSE of adding networking complications that the OP can't handle.
>I have daisy chained...
This suffices for simple Internet access, until you run into programs or devices that break because of the multiple redirections. I doubt UPNP/DLNA works on nested NATs. Ditto discovery. Devices/periphs on one network segment won't be able to connect to those on another segment.
The wifi will work, but given that most 2.4GHz wifi default to channel 1 or 6, it will likely conflict with the old wifi and work POORLY when both are active.
Since my old $15 TP-Link WiFi adapter I bought a few years ago has been disastrously slow (4mbps with stupidly bad ping spikes in games, only supports 2.4G), I decided I'd use my old Nexus 5X with USB tethering to use its WiFi connection. I can get 100+Mbps on 5.8G now - great! However, I've been wondering why it can't function as a normal USB adapter in a few areas. You can't select the wireless network you want to connect to from the PC and I can't successfully use programs that require port forwarding such as Moonlight Gamestream. I understand that this method of internet connection is bound to bring limitations but why is there no option to fully utilize the network card inside of the phone if I don't need to use the phone anyways? I'd really appreciate an answer from someone who might know about this...