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How all began...
Few months ago, back in October, while browsing our beloving xda.devs forum, i bumped onto the "General" section, on a thread rumoring about a new HTC Android device. Some were claiming that specific's device name was the "HTC Dragon (Zoom 2)", the ancestor of Leo loaded with the forthcoming Android 2.0 OS, hoaxing as well, the one and only picture available, regarding the what was called "HTC Dragon". I started participating on that discussion, giving the 1st valid nfo about that device, that the named was faulty rumored with that name, but instead it would be called as "HTC Bravo".
As always ppl were fully douptful about those nfo's i gave (as usal), so i deciced to give a bit more, leaking for the 1st time, some known specs and the original name of coz once more. Discussion has been forgotten, till i possed few days l8r an "HTC bible" as i called it up to now, with specific device names of and original up-to-now, known specs of thoses devices.. So i deciced to spread the word out once more and give the exclusivity to xda's again, as i totally hoped (and still do to be honest) that a thunderstorm was coming from HTC, so leaking the nfo, would be the best, for all of u to have FIRST what others still seeking desperately and without any result, what our eyes will face and see and what our hands will hold thrilled in few months, after the arrival of 2010....
Presense...
I was changing my mind every single day, whether this should be or should not done, by providing ONLY the nfo about HTC Bravo and Bravo itself, but then i rethought, that its better to be done now and let u know, all about it in one specific thread. I duuno if this has be done in the past, here @ xda's, with such a massive amount of nfo gathhered in one piece/thread, coz it would be pointless to give all these nfo's on the thread which gave me the motivation for such action, the one i reffered above.
So what you and i bet so many other forums in lighting speed from 2night, as happened with Leo and its specs few months ago, will witness, are scanned images from the prototype brochure i own, with HTC 2010 Portfolio, presented in Vienna, on Ocotber 2009, (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-44-07_0002.jpg) on a global meeting about HTC's portfolio till June 2010, as company's strategy is to circulate what's has already designed up to the first 6 months of each and every year and leave the rest from June till December for another one, few months later.
At this point i would like to apologise, for the quality of the images i am gonna present you, as my scanner, though it's scanning capabilities are enough, for high quality results, keeps on messing up, but still, all my images, are coloured and visible enough for your eyes to see, high valiable and confidential stuff. I won't write for each and every device the specs, as thankfully all this nfo, is printed on them (the most basic ones and known by HTC so far, coz maybe will change something add and/or remove, as happened with Leo's extra RAM the very last mom before Leo's massive productivity, as they have found on specific apps, a general time dealy while handling these apps), so do base on those but do not start accusing me if HTC changes something on the near future, as they know their planes better than anybody else .
So on this brochure, HTC, categorises the devices, into segments, not only based on their OS (Android-WM), but on a more marketting consumer basis. So i will refer you now what these categories r and further on, make my own two, which are Windows Mobile Devices and Android ones. What is certainly sure, is that HTC AGAIN, performs a fantastic designing piece of work, but still stuck to some well-known-key-selling HW like small cameras (tops 5MP), 600Mhz CPU's and so on so forth...
Categories:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-45-07_0003.jpg
So, HTC categorizes these fones which i will say up to now is Q1-Q2 2010 list for the reason i explained before, in 4 main Categories, where the devices, have specific characteristics and specs:
Design / Lifestyle
Social
Performance
Productivity
Accordingly, the represenatives for each and every category are as following:
Design / Lifestyle
Legend
Salsa
Social
Tide
Buzz
Performance
Bravo
Productivity
Photon
Trophy
Tera (Pretty close to Touch Pro2)
Now, that we made things clear on how HTC sees its products, its time, for us to make our own discrimination based on those devices and categorise them, exclusively, based on their loaded OS (Android / Windows Mobile )
So here w go:
WM 6.5 Devices:
Tera
Trophy
Photon
Android Devices:
Legend
Salsa (With QWERTY keyboard)
Bravo (NOT Passion and/or Dragon)
Tide
Buzz
Perfect! Now that we settled down what we are about to witness,i think ist about time for the thunderstorm.... Will take each category one-by-one, make a small review for each and every device seperately and below of every device its photos respectively, not in thumbnails (as they are big in order to maintain their original quality and be more obvious for you to see them more clearly) but in http links to see the entire images as originally scanned.
Design / Lifestyle
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-52-57_0005.jpg
Legend
"Legend" is the ansestor of the most succsful Android device, along with "Magic", the "HTC Hero". Offers absolutely stylish look, covered with a metallic frame as you will see, slim with just 11.4mm, loaded with HTC Sense and a central bottom clickable Optical Mouse for easy navigation like with Magic and Hero and of course Android OS. Arriving March 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-55-54_0006.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-57-19_0007.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-59-01_0007.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-00-13_0008.jpg
Salsa
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-01-40_0009.jpg
"Salsa" is a Blackkberry styled, Android, handset, with just 8.6mm thickness, absolutely stylish, slimmest QWERTY keypad, distinctive "Edge" design and great for social networking as it fully supports all well known Social Networking sites, Facebook, Twitter etc, while also supports IM capabilities and browsing firends photo albums via Flickr pre-installed app.Arriving June 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-02-53_0010.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-04-16_0011.jpg
Social
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-11-48_0016A.jpg
Tide
With "Tide", user can njoy best of leading touch experience and a keypad. Like with Salsa, is great for social networking as it fully supports all well known Social Networking sites, Facebook, Twitter, Plurk etc, while also supports IM capabilities and browsing firends photo albums via Flickr pre-installed app. Loaded with Android OS. Arriving April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-11-48_0016.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-13-26_0017A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-13-26_0017.jpg
Buzz
"Buzz" at first look, seems like it will be the ansestor of HTC Tattoo, as it offers the capabillity of covers change, for those who love changing their phones, by having multiple full different coloured covers. It's and Android based has a huge 3.2" sceen, 5MP Cam with Autofocus and Flash, awesome design and it's designed for applications and applications sharing.Arriving May 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-15-21_0018.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-15-21_0018A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-17-05_0019.jpg
Performance
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-05-45_0012.jpg
Bravo
HTC's hero model of Q1-Q2 of 2010 , a real flagship with exceptional specs and characteristics, will be named as "HTC Bravo". Rumors wanted this device with loads of different names (Passion/Dragon) and specs, but below you will see its original fotos allong with up-to-now specs. Bravo supposedly will follow the same good recepie as happened with Leo (HD2) and we can say, that if HTC had something in mind about an Android version of Leo, then Bravo is the one.
Representative of the Performance (and not by chance ) category based on HTC's categorization it has fantastic style and design, eqquiped with the sucessive killer Snapdragon QSD 8250 1GHz CPU (as in Leo), HD 720p Video caprure, 3.7" WVGA AMOLED screen, 256RAM (guess it will be increased to 512Mb accoridng to my latest inside nfo) with 16GB MicroSD card in-box, and 1400mAh battery capacity and HTC Sence of course, is certainly what eveybody would like to own, considering that will b loaded with the latest Android OS possible at that time. HTC's "killer phone" as they call it, will definately face on its way and will have to compete, Rachael X10i SE and time is left to tell what the results will bring to light And as HTC's latest moto is about their new 2010 portfolio, i will inheritate and say, "I want it NOW" Arriving April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-07-17_0013.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-07-17_0013A.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-08-52_0014.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-08-52_0014A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-10-13_0015.jpg
Productivity
Photon
When i first took a closer look to "Photon" (without looking to its specs) i was shocked by its design and immediately thought that comparing to "Bravo" that will be HTC flagship device of 2010, as its almost the same with Leo with slight differences. Its a WM 6.5 device, 3.2" HVGA screen, 256RAM, 5MP campera and eqquipped with Snapdragon MSM7227 600Hz CPU. As with "Bravo" it is expected to arrive on April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-19-23_0020.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-19-23_0020A.jpg
Trophy
A month later, on May 2010, another WM 6.5 device, coded named as "Trophy", will offer the opportunity of a touch phone with QWERT keypad, 3.0" VGA screen, 5MP Camera, huge battery capacity, 1400mAh and nice design.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-21-06_0021.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-22-58_0022.jpg
Tera
Last representative of the Productivity HTC category, we meet, the coded named device, "Tera". It looks so alike to HTC Touch Pro2, thats it hard to find any differences. Slided-up full QWERTY keypad, loaded with WM 6.5 OS, 3.2MP Cam, 256RAM and 1300mAh, its a device which i don't know if it has to show up something new, but will certainly b a medium consuming device.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-24-13_0023.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-24-13_0023A.jpg
Final Word:
What was previously presented, is a product of a huge effort and work i've performed for over a month now, in order to be able to gather all the highly valuable nfo for you to witness. It took me more than half a day to compose it and more than 3hrs of str8 scanning and image editting and processing for the best possible result, crazy uploading time, of this huge brochure, which also including marketting stuff and analysis, which i don't think matters a lot, as the pics and specs is what ppl need nowadays. Once more i wanna clearly mention, that i am not responsible if those specs change for any possible reason within the forthcoming months as happened with Leo, the very last min, prior to ist mass production, so keep it low and slow and don't start accusing me that the nfo's were a hoax, as they are totally true up to now.
For those reasons, please i am asking to repsect this effort, give credits as it does matter, as apart that it was being so tough to be completed, its of highly of a risk of what am i doing as a profession, coz ur having from now and on, exclusivily, here on xda.devs, what others still only imagine or assume... Hope soon i will get back to you and keep this post further updated as much as i can (IF by tom i won't lose m job & end up caged on a basement giving explanations why did i do that ), with any other info and/or correction will be available, even if i have new devices listing to share with.Do handle these nfo really carefully and do not spread any other hoax around, i think ppl neeed real deal and not half way through stuff. My apologisies to the admins for being so detailed with this thread and for all of you, start dreaming as i am already doing, of having thses babies, on time, onto my hands, for squeezing them out to death for beta testing and modding as a new guy just joined where i work and h will b much of a help to suck those devices brains out!!
So, as my favo acting game hero Ben, stated on the epic adventurous, hard-rock Full Throttle game...
Let the demolition derby begins....Give'em hell Polecats
Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
Also, what are your thoughts/insights into this rumor that the Passion will be released by TMob US in the first 2 weeks of January? Do you have any info on that particular phone (specs, dates, etc)?
Yey!
Oo, I have been waiting for this the whole day! Thanks!
Waiting with anxious!
Congratulations.
So no Passion or Dragon in january, just bravo?
Most probable yeah....unless something changes the very last min...
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So no Passion or Dragon in january, just bravo?
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Bravo in April. Nothing in January.
Thanks a lot for the excellent infoz B3ler3fonte.
Many of the pictures say "T-Mobile NATCO Day". Does this mean these phones are only going to T-Mobile and what is "NATCO Day"?
Do you think the April release date will be the earliest we see a new HTC performance phone?
wonderbread57 said:
Thanks a lot for the excellent infoz B3ler3fonte.
Many of the pictures say "T-Mobile NATCO Day". Does this mean these phones are only going to T-Mobile and what is "NATCO Day"?
Do you think the April release date will be the earliest we see a new HTC performance phone?
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I was about to mention about the TMO logo on them, but i ran out of....15000 words limit , so i was watting for som1 to mention it. So, this logo was due to the fact that TMO is interested on those mobiles for the 2010 as @ Vienna each and every Operator, took its brochure with what has been already agreed.
To make things even more clear, no i DO NOT work for TMO, it just happned to have this brochure which was meant for TMO and the NATCO Day logo, is just for internal TMO days with global Ventors such HTC, to make deals and they call em NATCO days
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.
Wow this is awesome! The Bravo is by far my favorite of them all! Thanks so much for leaking this out!
B3ler3fonte said:
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.
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Too bad... I was really hoping for a 4.3" Android, Snapdragon 1Ghz phone. Guess I'll just have to wait for the WinMob HD2 since the "Passion/Dragon" doesn't even exist
Excellently presented Now we have lot's to digest & think about for the long April wait
jackhappy said:
Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
Also, what are your thoughts/insights into this rumor that the Passion will be released by TMob US in the first 2 weeks of January? Do you have any info on that particular phone (specs, dates, etc)?
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@B3ler3fonte, Aw Snap. Please, just stab me through the heart one more time. You are NOT saying that the Dragon/Passion is a separate phone. You are saying that Dragon/Passion does not exist. You are saying there is only the Bravo and its coming out in APRIL?!?! I just need to understand this clearly so I can go out and buy a MotoDroid tomorrow.
Thanks for the wonderful work (no matter how much it hurts).
jackhappy said:
Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
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I am wondering this also.
The Bravo is looking so hot!
thank you very much for posting this, we appreciate it!
I and many other will be disappointed to not see a 4.3" android device.
Just one question: you say this is a brochure of phones T Mobile was interested in? does this mean there could be other HTC devices to be released that aren't in this brochure because T Mobile isn't interested in them?
I agree with MinotaurOnyx..I guess this means I can get the Droid Eris now..No sense in waiting for a phone that does not exist...At this point we don't even know if the HTC Bravo will even be a US phone.
I think the Passion/Dragon does exist in one form or another, remember it was in the leaked 2.1 ROM list. Also, from what I recall of the rumors, the Passion/Dragon was supposed to be released Q4 2009, and this is a 2010 brochure. So the rumor of a so-called Passion coming to TMo in early Jan might still be true--it may have been targeted for Dec but just got pushed back, therefore it does not appear in this brochure.
However, that image the Unlocker had a few months back of an Android device with a big screen probably was the Bravo, as B3ler3fonte suggested.
So the big question is, if that device with the big screen was the Bravo, what the heck is the Passion/Dragon?
Also, those of you that are now thinking about getting the Hero or Droid-- get a one year contract. It's only 70 bucks more for the phone under a one year contract on Verizon. Too much good stuff coming out next year to get a 2 year contract.
The Bravo is just perfect. Nice to see it can read DivX on a beautiful AMOLED display.
I think that 3.7 inch is just perfect for the screen, 4.3 is way too much.
4 month to wait, just for my birthday
So the successor of the Hero will be the Legend I think. Nice evolution, new screen and new processor too.
B3ler3fonte said:
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.
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Thanks for the further description.
What are your thoughts about the list of HTC codenames listed by an XDA member a few days ago? The list mentioned the Bravo and the Passion/PassionC/Dragon separately which suggest they are separate phones.
source: AndroidSpin
The info in that link is no where as credible as what you have just posted but given the overlap in some model names and your knowledge, it would be good to get your opinion of it.
Very shortly I will be binning my iPhone and purchasing a HTC device running Android.
I have chosen to go with HTC because of their Sense UI - no other manufacturer appears to have developed anything than can compete with this.
The only thing delaying this switch is my failure to yet decide which handset to go with.
I am looking for a top end device so the front runners at the moment are the Desire and Desire HD
Specification wise the Desire HD handset gets the win but this device isn't quite as portable as the original Desire and it appears to be agreed across the board that the HD's battery life isn't the best having only been afforded 1230 mAh whilst the original Desire has 1400 mAh, despite the HD having the larger screen and more processing power.
So its a toss up between the two, and I really am stuck.
I'd welcome any advice to help my decision or more importantly, bearing in mind the HD has been out for almost 4 months, surely there is a top end HTC Android device in the pipeline due for release in the very near future??
I have seen mention of Android 2.4 and 3.0 in other threads...has anyone come across mention of HTC releasing a handset this spring that will be running the new Android platform??
Well,you can expect them to announce the Desire HD2,aka Pyramid,at the MWC,but release date will probably be later on,most likely April or something.Right now,if you want a compromise between the DHD and the classical Desire(I have both and I can tell you the DHD is far superior performance wise,and battery isn't bad at all as second generation Snapdragons are much less power hungry) the Desire Z might be a good choice for you.Don't let the 800MHz processor fool you;it's as much a beast as the DHD is!Unless you can't put up with the hardware keyboard!
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Very shortly I will be binning my iPhone and purchasing a HTC device running Android.
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Good on you!
As for the battery life for Desire HD, it's not bad. I charge every night if I used the phone heavily through the day. For it's screen size battery is reasonable and I find phone very easy to carry around, it's quite slick.
New phones are just around the corner and I can't honestly say if right NOW is the best time to buy a new phone, especially such a expensive phone. If you don't mind then the Desire HD is one heck of a beast!
But these new phones will probably cost close to a grand, for that much you can build yourself a i7/i5 machine lol.
Yeah I've just read a few articles about HTC announcing the Desire 2 and Desire HD 2. Apparently both will be announced at the MWC tomorrow!!!
So you'd expect these new devices to hit UK shores around about April? I'll definitely wait until then for either the D2 or DHD2 although expect I'll have to fork out quite a bit for one of these sim-free!?!?
Looking forward to some HTC news following the MWC tomorrow!!
Smart move...HTC Rocks!
Just make sure it is Flashable (at least samsung has plans for signed bootloaders preventing custom firmware updates, so make sure your open platform really is open) Desire, Desire Z and DHD are, Desire2 or DHD2 i don't know but one could assume they are also. HTC would not do something as Apple-ish as this, would they?
The reason for this is that while android is the top system for now and sense is indeed great - but check my thread in general discussion - a possible announcement date for Meego, and you probably want to be able to flash to it once released (and ported functionally). All Android apps work on meego using JVM.
+ There are hidden powers in both the DHD and especially Z that is being wasted by 1) Android (whole os implementation, especially the lousy dalvik VM) 2) I have been told Z and DHD have essentially the same chip, the 200mhz difference is mainly market differentiation justifying DHD as the flagship even when lacking qwerty and not gaining much/any advantage from the bigger display since the resolution is the same. Quite the opposite, it makes it bulky and drains more battery... IMO the Z is the flagship model of the current gen and it has been clocked up to ~1,4 ghz stable that i know of)
I for one cannot wait to get Meego running on my Z and unleash the potential of the hardware.
(My advice is forget the old desire and since the next gens being announced don't seem to have a qwerty version go for the Z. It will be on sale or found cheap 2nd hand due to the new ones coming. (you must be a bit of a tech-geek since you are on these forums so you probably will come to appreciate the qwerty even if you don't realize it yet. Some linux desktop version + qwerty almost a laptop makes
reiv said:
Just make sure it is Flashable (at least samsung has plans for signed bootloaders preventing custom firmware updates, so make sure your open platform really is open) Desire, Desire Z and DHD are, Desire2 or DHD2 i don't know but one could assume they are also. HTC would not do something as Apple-ish as this, would they?
The reason for this is that while android is the top system for now and sense is indeed great - but check my thread in general discussion - a possible announcement date for Meego, and you probably want to be able to flash to it once released (and ported). I for one cannot wait to get it on my Desire Z. Android is kinda messy from a technical POW and sub-optimal in performance.
(What ever you choose, do not let the desire z 800 mhz fool you to think its slower compared to DHD. I am told they have essentially the same chip, and is only market segmentation - The desire Z has been clocked to some 1,516 ghz stable...)
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Edited for accuracy.
OP good move on making the switch to Android, specifically a HTC device.
So I'm hoping for some big news from HTC at the MWC regarding the Desire 2 and/or Desire 2 HD....
I am in the UK so despite there being rumour of the 'Pyramid' seeing an April/May release in the US I am concerned that we will be waiting several months more to see any of these new top end HTC Android handsets over the pond here in the UK.
Any views on this? Or any idea on the wait we might have in UK to see these handsets?
pdarby said:
So I'm hoping for some big news from HTC at the MWC regarding the Desire 2 and/or Desire 2 HD....
I am in the UK so despite there being rumour of the 'Pyramid' seeing an April/May release in the US I am concerned that we will be waiting several months more to see any of these new top end HTC Android handsets over the pond here in the UK.
Any views on this? Or any idea on the wait we might have in UK to see these handsets?
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We seem to get the new HTC phones sooner in the UK than they do in the US so don't worry. More often than not we'll see the original (like the DHD), and then later they get a variety of carrier specific derivitaves like the Inspire 4G.
Personally i'm more interested to see where the Nexus line goes for it's next incarnation. Hopefully back to HTC with a killer Nexus 3
Congratulations, I think the Desire HD looks like a pretty awesome phone. Wish I would have waited a few months before buying the Desire to get the Desire HD.
DirkGently1 said:
We seem to get the new HTC phones sooner in the UK than they do in the US so don't worry. More often than not we'll see the original (like the DHD), and then later they get a variety of carrier specific derivitaves like the Inspire 4G.
Personally i'm more interested to see where the Nexus line goes for it's next incarnation. Hopefully back to HTC with a killer Nexus 3
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With regards to the 4G, I've heard there is very little support for this in the UK?
pdarby said:
With regards to the 4G, I've heard there is very little support for this in the UK?
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NO support as yet. I've heard that some European countries have trials under way though.
Desire HD is cool, possibly a little on the big side coming from an iPhone, but you will soon get used to it. I find occasionally being used to the iPhone I have a bad habit of touching the sides of the screen and activating an app I had no intention of opening. But like I said you get used to it.
I also found that the voice quality of calls is higher than my 3gs used to be, and I have had some trouble getting used to the fact that up until I start to drop calls from bad signal the only loss of voice I get is a small crackle or pop and then a gap in the conversation. It's probably my only gripe. I would like to have less quality voice on degradation of signal, but not lose part of the conversation... still its a great phone and much more fun now I have rooted and modded it.
I think this is the first proper review.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-review-23153699/
Do the people with the phone already, agree with the conclusions drawn?
freedirk said:
I think this is the first proper review.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-review-23153699/
Do the people with the phone already, agree with the conclusions drawn?
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Seemed pretty fair and balanced. Glad to see that pics are better with this handset over some other HTC ones. Little bummed about the tearing int he video - but I imagine that might be something that a software update might address. Browser seems fine if a little different than the samsung when zooming flash. Battery life looked ok - but what surprised me was that they have great battery life on their SGS II. That seems to be one of the most dominant complaint threads on their boards.
All in all I feel better about looking to purchase one when it comes out in the states.
Damn.
I'm thinking more and more of getting the SG2 now instead due to lack of dev support and this review is swaying it more too. The SG2 is a much better hardware package but i prefer the design of htc and i prefer sense to touchwiz.
I can comment on TouchWiz vs. Sense. I got an SGS2 because I couldn't wait for the Sensation to come to the States to evaluate it. I had Sense on my former HTC phones and was expecting TouchWiz to be kind of the same thing. Sense is an environment with apps tightly integrated whereas TouchWiz is really just a Samsung launcher. I used launchers on my last two phones which were vanilla Android so TouchWiz's more Android feel felt comfortable. People looking for HTC's approach toward common apps being front-ended by Sense and tightly integrated would be disappointed with TouchWiz. Not that TouchWiz is bad and a lot of Samsung's proprietary apps and hubs are really good, it's just a very different approach.
"Sensation as the consumer’s phone and the Galaxy S II as the Android fan’s phone"
this review is that whas i need.
i dont intresting sg2. i only intresting or sensation is beter that desire in all aspekts ( screen, power, call quality, camera, sound in 3.5mm and laudnes in speeker, battery u.t.t)
Sensation is beter? i think it is.
hope for root, bet some time i cen live without that
p.s in latvian phone cen wait 2-3 weaks after unbranded realise in eorope. need wait some time
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"Sensation as the consumer’s phone and the Galaxy S II as the Android fan’s phone"
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i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
HTC are a better all rounder i think
Well Barff1984, I do agree with you that in the all-rounder category the Sensation is the winner, however in terms of "Android Fans Phone" I think it's a bit inconclusive:
On one hand you've got the fact that the SGS2 was released earlier, with its bootloader opened wide with the sound of devs cheers, incredible specs and whatnot. Is it the easy fan choice? Well;
On the other hand: Some people (myself included, hate me if I sound a bit biased) prefer HTC's approach - albeit slightly weaker, when it comes down to the experience of actually using it - the UI, the sense of quality in your hand is a key factor.
And you know what? I think that's another way of being an Android fan - sticking with the things you like, and not fitting into an iFruity pattern. That's the beauty of Android - you've always got choice, whether its hardware or software. If you don't like it - change it. Because you can.
Plus I can smell the dev gods are cooking delicious stuff for us Hardcore HTC guys, and just because Samsung got a head start doesn't mean the Sensation is DOA.
i agree with you trek -
I don't think you can say either phone is better, they both had good points, both had bad points...
but the reason i love android - WE are left with a choice of which one WE prefer !
i happen to prefer better build and feel of htc and sense over touchwiz.
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i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
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I think you've mis-read the quote slightly.
I think it's to do with the sensation having a more polished interface which will make it sit better with casual users. Whereas people that have researched the phones a great deal will possibly prefer the Galaxy2 for its unlocked bootloader and arguably better hardware.
Of course as slashgear also stated,this generalisation does nothing for either phone as both are power houses.
P.s. I also realise that the vast majority of users here have researched both phones and have alot of knowledge, hence the reason we're here. ;-)
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It's a never-ending debate.
As long as someone is happy with any of the phone, I would say job well done from the part of the manufacturer/OEM. And I believe the review did it's best not to raise the fanboy-ish sentiments that we have.
I am absolutely sure that Engadget review will be provocative/controversial (it's always their goal to generate maximum comments). Gsmarena/Anandtech seems to be much more detailed and objective.
Phil750123 said:
i agree with you trek -
I don't think you can say either phone is better, they both had good points, both had bad points...
but the reason i love android - WE are left with a choice of which one WE prefer !
i happen to prefer better build and feel of htc and sense over touchwiz.
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What i just hate is that HTC failed on a few VERY simple issues,
if they did better on those points, they would easy have a winner.
1) More RAM and internal storage
2) Non signed bootloader
3) Hardware accl browser
Barff1984 said:
i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
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+1, put together, SGS2 is ugly look.
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I think the review was good. I saw some complaints about it being too superficial but I think it serves its purpose and was unbiased pointing out the benefits and cons giving each phone its due (I don't care that it was more of a comparative review as that's basically how people on here treat it). I also hope the GSMArena one comes out soon. They tend to have very detailed review going into all aspects of the phones. I'm still quite sure I'm getting it but I like to be aware of all the "bad" stuff before I get something (this is also nice because often the bad doesn't turn out to be as bad as I thought it would be making me pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed )
MartijnMM said:
What i just hate is that HTC failed on a few VERY simple issues,
if they did better on those points, they would easy have a winner.
1) More RAM and internal storage
2) Non signed bootloader
3) Hardware accl browser
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I agree, minor steps for big improvements.
1) Think the ram is the big issue, specially when sense is going to take up
more ram then touchwiz (im guessing here but im pretty certain it be the
case)
2) Im sure "hoping" that this will be by passable, I've read a detail
article about this stating, it not as bad as people believe. I dont understand
it fully but as most people on here, i just want custom roms!
3) Would be nice, but not on my top list as personally im not a big
web broswer on my mobile. (Although might change when i get a bigger screen
and faster web browsing )
Im leaving work early to fly down to the vodafone shop and see if
they have one in stock - bar that to phones 4 u shop opposite so
hopefully I'll be able to talk from first hand experience!
Hmm, I wonder when we'll start seeing reviews with proper GPS testing. Not comments like "the gps is fine, it locked really fast!" but showing some tracks and proof of decent accuracy and consistency. That would help avoiding fiascos like the one with the Galaxy S.
I'm curious about the Sensation but will definitely not buy another toy without clearing this out first... can't get lost.
did anyone notice sample camera picture taken by sensation at slashgear review have soft image on left and sharp on the right?
ignore the already out of focus background flower pic, other street and tree pictures it doesn't seem like depth of field, anyone got the device on hand can confirm or share your picture please.
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Hmm, I wonder when we'll start seeing reviews with proper GPS testing. Not comments like "the gps is fine, it locked really fast!" but showing some tracks and proof of decent accuracy and consistency. That would help avoiding fiascos like the one with the Galaxy S.
I'm curious about the Sensation but will definitely not buy another toy without clearing this out first... can't get lost.
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True, I'd like to know this. But no tech site, or youtube review has brought up the GPS issue, which I'm sure they would when they did their review.
I did hear (made a poll), on androidforums, that a few had these problems but all of them, now, have basically ironed themselves out. Really odd, but a few days later virtually everyone reported back that it fixed itself. I know your looking for hard evidence but I just thought I'd share what I know.
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Damn.
I'm thinking more and more of getting the SG2 now instead due to lack of dev support and this review is swaying it more too. The SG2 is a much better hardware package but i prefer the design of htc and i prefer sense to touchwiz.
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Well, Its kinda just got out on contract... wait for it to be off-contract and published in the USA and more :O
http://www.slashgear.com/sensation-vs-galaxy-s-ii-does-qhd-make-a-difference-24154010/
Addition stuff about the screens. Looks like for games its the SGII for movies/webbrowsing/text based stuff - Sensation.
Well, another day, another thread. Here I'd like to talk about HTC and their general lack of the ability to innovate that seems to have come with the release of the hd2. First of all, a little history. HTC's slogan is "quietly brilliant." a slogan that stood true to its name until recent times with devices such as the g1 with its chin that temporarily set a standard for android devices to the PPC 6xxx series which were still perhaps the best phones built for gaming aside from the cliq and its epic d-pad that should be on every phone with a slide out keyboard, all the way on to the hd2 which was an amazing device that could do so much. Its pretty much still a standard by which modders will always compare to other phones. It had a nice 4.3 inch display, nice build quality, a great processor for its time, and while it ran an OS that most had abandoned at that point I was more than happy to be able to play warspear again and emulate some Tekken 3 (before android had its ps1 emulators.) it was great, the problem is I think HTC has over-estimated just how great the device was as now they see fit to release that same exact device over and over with minute tweaks to the hardware and a new OS slapped on. Unless you consider the htc surround and its easy to bend kickstand with shoddy speakers or the g2s broken z hinge innovative then these days you're SOL with HTC. Its the same 4.x inches on a device with way too small a battery often given a power hungry OS to leave less fulfillment and a slightly better processor with each iteration. I'm not saying that HTC is the only company doing this but they used to be the big innovators. I just want to see some thought put into the cellphone market again because there's only so many times you can shove a new motor into the same old car and pass it off as something spectacular.
You're like a tech blogging project gone wrong.
You clearly don't know how devices work, or how to use paragraphs.
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I do apologize for my wall o' text, I am typing from a mobile device and while I do what I can to save face grammatically it's not imperative that I treat it like a thesis paper. I am however fully aware of how these devices work as well as the OSes themselves. I just miss the innovation that HTC once put into their devices.
Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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3d cameras were innovative... Yeah, then the 80s happened. Sure putting them on a phone is innovative enough but like most of what's come out recently it feels gimmicky at best. There's no call for petty insults, if you're looking for a forum for that sort of thing I might suggest 4chan.
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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my opinion does not match that of the general consensus, oh joy, I get to watch a bunch of people go into rage mode and throw around insults I haven't heard in over a decade again. My favorite.
joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I'm certainly not stating that they'ree not quality devices. I'm often not find of the battery life of them but aside from that they're typically quite nice. I just feel that they lack the level of innovation that they had in the past.
If you haven't noticed already...not single person agrees with you. And my comments weren't insults... their facts. You are complaining like a little girl and using xda as a personal diary...apparently I'm not the only person who thinks so...
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I assume you've yet to learn the clear difference between fact and opinion. Ok, so no one wants to see HTC start innovating as they did before? That's intriguing that we discourage such things now.
HTC started innovating when they gave up on the windows platform and started making android flagships IMO
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joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I think you mean HTC Inspire
The Infuse is made by Samsung but somewhat similar.
All 1 of their android flagships that was just a souped up mytouch 3g with a bigger screen and better processor... Yeah, no thanks. Hardware-wise HTC was more innovative in their winmo offerings as painful as it is to realize.
No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
He's hard to please.
Daeva said:
No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
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I know they are, doesn't change the fact that their hardware lacks the innovation that made them the mobile giants they are.
The latest devices? Not innovating? You serious sir?
Seems Like he means. That HD2 was the best phone at that time when it was releaed. It has no enemies. It was killer of all phones..
On latest HTC´s is most problem the Qualcomm Chipset. Mainly their GPU.. Evo 3D is great innovation due 3D Cameras and display. This one is very good.
I know what should help HTC on their innovations.
1. Changing Platform. Sorry Qualcomm.. I am using old MSM7201A.. (Yeah its slow.. But at the time it was great And crappy Intel Xscale 624MHz. Even using overclocked GPU at my kernel is really great.. Its better than locked Adreno 200 and above GPu´s)..
2. Getting proper GPU drivers (nice shiny and fast)
3. Unlocked Bootloader by default. (Not that web thing. That will void your warranty)
4. Sense as open source.. Not Sense SDK.. That will help devs to make Apps look like sense interface.
5. Creating Better Battery Life. WinMo devices hitted 2days +
6. Better quality/louder speaker .
And a lot more.. Just need to think
I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
i had (have) a g2, i just got a mytouch4g slide this morning and got it rooted already, their isn't much dev works since the kernal source hasn't been released yet. the g2 has alot of great roms out for it, i loved it. im missing miui sooo much till i get on the mt4gs, but i'll wait and play with my dual core and camera for a bit. =]
Just my luck
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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Undeadk9 said:
Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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Get the Anker batteries mentioned in the Accessories board. Also, give the AOSP team time to create a vanilla/CM build for the Doubleshot.
elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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So bring an extra battery or a charger and your problem is solved
ChocolateShein said:
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
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yep! that's what it looks like is going to happen. time for some overclocking on this processor =P
god, im ready to really unleash the power of this dual core phone.. =D
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I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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Not practical are you nuts? I watch netflix on my tv everynight not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games.
Not to mention a longer cord can be purchased. As well as rca 3 prong will work with older and new tvs hdmi will not unless another adapter is purchased. The picture is great quality too.
If we use your logic, looking at this small screen for an hour is just as bad as sitting six feet from a tv. Talk about a bad case of blurred vision ,headache and possible decrease in long range vision (nearsighted).
No offence but that was a dumb comment and I rarely say that.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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I just got another cord to extend it. I can sit up to 18 feet back now.
Even when i'm not using it, it's still hooked up to a tv i've gotten and placed next to my desk in my work area (i've never owned a tv before...leave it to a phone to make me want one). I play music through it on the tv generally.
It's also good to have the system up on a larger screen sitting next to my computers so I can work with it more efficiently.
The idea of being restricted to a 6 foot cable is not so great, but it's a very cheap and easy solution you can fix at any radio shack, best buy, walmart, etc...
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... not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games....
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Are you interested in working together on this?
I have someone (finally...no real-life computer friends...) who is willing/able to sit down and figure it out with me. He wants to attach his wii controllers to his phone, so I have that piece of hardware to work with and two phones + a Nook Color to test it out on.
I ordered a sixaxis controller, but the order got all screwed up and i'm gonna have to deal with paypal to get my money back. I hate ebay, and usually stick with amazon, but the price seemed too good. When I can afford to try again i'll get one.
I haven't actually sat down and put all the random info together yet, but i've got a pile of raw data waiting to be sifted through.
Shoot me a pm if you're interested and we can go from there, but i'm gonna sit down with my new computer friend next week and spend a whole day - maybe two - working on this exclusively.
It may just work right away with no tweaking (lol) but if not we'd need kernel source to fix the problem. Now that we have it it's worth looking into, and this is one of those projects that got put on hold until source dropped. Starting to dust off the old ideas and run them now.
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Its not a crazy hack lol. Droid does.
I guess some people don't understand the true potentials android has to offer.
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If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Why should I buy a console that either has a history of hardware issues or a EULA that is offensive in the extreme? Particularly when I have a phone that will do the same things?
There is nothing any console on the market has that I want that my phone can't already do.
dhkr234 said:
Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
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Thanks for the info. I'm purchasing the phone new, so the Doubleshot sounds nice. The camera is a welcome feature for me, since I don't want to have to carry around an actual camera. Unfortunately, most of the Doubleshot's camera features come with Sense, although I don't mind sense too much.