I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
i had (have) a g2, i just got a mytouch4g slide this morning and got it rooted already, their isn't much dev works since the kernal source hasn't been released yet. the g2 has alot of great roms out for it, i loved it. im missing miui sooo much till i get on the mt4gs, but i'll wait and play with my dual core and camera for a bit. =]
Just my luck
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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Get the Anker batteries mentioned in the Accessories board. Also, give the AOSP team time to create a vanilla/CM build for the Doubleshot.
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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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So bring an extra battery or a charger and your problem is solved
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HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
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yep! that's what it looks like is going to happen. time for some overclocking on this processor =P
god, im ready to really unleash the power of this dual core phone.. =D
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I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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Not practical are you nuts? I watch netflix on my tv everynight not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games.
Not to mention a longer cord can be purchased. As well as rca 3 prong will work with older and new tvs hdmi will not unless another adapter is purchased. The picture is great quality too.
If we use your logic, looking at this small screen for an hour is just as bad as sitting six feet from a tv. Talk about a bad case of blurred vision ,headache and possible decrease in long range vision (nearsighted).
No offence but that was a dumb comment and I rarely say that.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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I just got another cord to extend it. I can sit up to 18 feet back now.
Even when i'm not using it, it's still hooked up to a tv i've gotten and placed next to my desk in my work area (i've never owned a tv before...leave it to a phone to make me want one). I play music through it on the tv generally.
It's also good to have the system up on a larger screen sitting next to my computers so I can work with it more efficiently.
The idea of being restricted to a 6 foot cable is not so great, but it's a very cheap and easy solution you can fix at any radio shack, best buy, walmart, etc...
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... not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games....
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Are you interested in working together on this?
I have someone (finally...no real-life computer friends...) who is willing/able to sit down and figure it out with me. He wants to attach his wii controllers to his phone, so I have that piece of hardware to work with and two phones + a Nook Color to test it out on.
I ordered a sixaxis controller, but the order got all screwed up and i'm gonna have to deal with paypal to get my money back. I hate ebay, and usually stick with amazon, but the price seemed too good. When I can afford to try again i'll get one.
I haven't actually sat down and put all the random info together yet, but i've got a pile of raw data waiting to be sifted through.
Shoot me a pm if you're interested and we can go from there, but i'm gonna sit down with my new computer friend next week and spend a whole day - maybe two - working on this exclusively.
It may just work right away with no tweaking (lol) but if not we'd need kernel source to fix the problem. Now that we have it it's worth looking into, and this is one of those projects that got put on hold until source dropped. Starting to dust off the old ideas and run them now.
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Its not a crazy hack lol. Droid does.
I guess some people don't understand the true potentials android has to offer.
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If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Why should I buy a console that either has a history of hardware issues or a EULA that is offensive in the extreme? Particularly when I have a phone that will do the same things?
There is nothing any console on the market has that I want that my phone can't already do.
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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
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Thanks for the info. I'm purchasing the phone new, so the Doubleshot sounds nice. The camera is a welcome feature for me, since I don't want to have to carry around an actual camera. Unfortunately, most of the Doubleshot's camera features come with Sense, although I don't mind sense too much.
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Well, another day, another thread. Here I'd like to talk about HTC and their general lack of the ability to innovate that seems to have come with the release of the hd2. First of all, a little history. HTC's slogan is "quietly brilliant." a slogan that stood true to its name until recent times with devices such as the g1 with its chin that temporarily set a standard for android devices to the PPC 6xxx series which were still perhaps the best phones built for gaming aside from the cliq and its epic d-pad that should be on every phone with a slide out keyboard, all the way on to the hd2 which was an amazing device that could do so much. Its pretty much still a standard by which modders will always compare to other phones. It had a nice 4.3 inch display, nice build quality, a great processor for its time, and while it ran an OS that most had abandoned at that point I was more than happy to be able to play warspear again and emulate some Tekken 3 (before android had its ps1 emulators.) it was great, the problem is I think HTC has over-estimated just how great the device was as now they see fit to release that same exact device over and over with minute tweaks to the hardware and a new OS slapped on. Unless you consider the htc surround and its easy to bend kickstand with shoddy speakers or the g2s broken z hinge innovative then these days you're SOL with HTC. Its the same 4.x inches on a device with way too small a battery often given a power hungry OS to leave less fulfillment and a slightly better processor with each iteration. I'm not saying that HTC is the only company doing this but they used to be the big innovators. I just want to see some thought put into the cellphone market again because there's only so many times you can shove a new motor into the same old car and pass it off as something spectacular.
You're like a tech blogging project gone wrong.
You clearly don't know how devices work, or how to use paragraphs.
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I do apologize for my wall o' text, I am typing from a mobile device and while I do what I can to save face grammatically it's not imperative that I treat it like a thesis paper. I am however fully aware of how these devices work as well as the OSes themselves. I just miss the innovation that HTC once put into their devices.
Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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3d cameras were innovative... Yeah, then the 80s happened. Sure putting them on a phone is innovative enough but like most of what's come out recently it feels gimmicky at best. There's no call for petty insults, if you're looking for a forum for that sort of thing I might suggest 4chan.
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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my opinion does not match that of the general consensus, oh joy, I get to watch a bunch of people go into rage mode and throw around insults I haven't heard in over a decade again. My favorite.
joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I'm certainly not stating that they'ree not quality devices. I'm often not find of the battery life of them but aside from that they're typically quite nice. I just feel that they lack the level of innovation that they had in the past.
If you haven't noticed already...not single person agrees with you. And my comments weren't insults... their facts. You are complaining like a little girl and using xda as a personal diary...apparently I'm not the only person who thinks so...
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I assume you've yet to learn the clear difference between fact and opinion. Ok, so no one wants to see HTC start innovating as they did before? That's intriguing that we discourage such things now.
HTC started innovating when they gave up on the windows platform and started making android flagships IMO
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joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I think you mean HTC Inspire
The Infuse is made by Samsung but somewhat similar.
All 1 of their android flagships that was just a souped up mytouch 3g with a bigger screen and better processor... Yeah, no thanks. Hardware-wise HTC was more innovative in their winmo offerings as painful as it is to realize.
No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
He's hard to please.
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No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
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I know they are, doesn't change the fact that their hardware lacks the innovation that made them the mobile giants they are.
The latest devices? Not innovating? You serious sir?
Seems Like he means. That HD2 was the best phone at that time when it was releaed. It has no enemies. It was killer of all phones..
On latest HTC´s is most problem the Qualcomm Chipset. Mainly their GPU.. Evo 3D is great innovation due 3D Cameras and display. This one is very good.
I know what should help HTC on their innovations.
1. Changing Platform. Sorry Qualcomm.. I am using old MSM7201A.. (Yeah its slow.. But at the time it was great And crappy Intel Xscale 624MHz. Even using overclocked GPU at my kernel is really great.. Its better than locked Adreno 200 and above GPu´s)..
2. Getting proper GPU drivers (nice shiny and fast)
3. Unlocked Bootloader by default. (Not that web thing. That will void your warranty)
4. Sense as open source.. Not Sense SDK.. That will help devs to make Apps look like sense interface.
5. Creating Better Battery Life. WinMo devices hitted 2days +
6. Better quality/louder speaker .
And a lot more.. Just need to think
What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
Mytouch 4G slide it has a better processor and runs overall way more smooth
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
armo4444 said:
Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Get the Slide, Its better all around and yes you can remap the keys once you s off and root. Go here http://revolutionary.io
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Go here for more info http://revolutionary.io
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Ill explain. S off is a short for secruity off. Htc devices have a secruity radio in them to prevent modification. Once this is off the phone is open to rooted apps kernals and custom roms
You want the slide for sure it has a dual core processor. I game a lot and have not had any lag issues ever.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
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it's no doubt to choose slide.
better cpu and the smooth QWERTY
I'd go with the mt4gs because it has a better processor, screen, and other "updated" features from the mt4g. The gaming would be nicer because of the better processor, dual core, etc.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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Yep, you got it.
You won't find any official documentation on it (but if you do, please share!) - the TV-out capability is what finally sold me on the device. ( I wanted it anyway, but that was the clincher)
Couldn't be happier with any other piece of cellular technology then this device, and the TV thing really is just plug and play...i'll plug in to the TV in the middle of a game without lag and keep right on cruising.
I keep saying that this should have been the selling point for the phone, and yet...not a whisper about it from HTC.
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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I'm definitely thinking that the bluetooth controller is the final answer. I don't like the idea of passing around my phone as the controller to other people. It's fine for my use, but out and about other people want to play too...I don't like handing this device over to other people.
I keep having other things spring up in front of me that have to be handled first with this phone, but seeing what's up with the bluetooth controller issue is very close on my list. Sometime in the next week a person I work on android stuff with in my neighborhood is trying to bring his wii controllers over so we can sit down with our phones and tablets and make a day out of learning what we don't know.
Ultimately, i'd like to get a sixaxis controller working on the device - for all I know it works out of the box with the market app, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think I remember someone posting about it a few weeks ago - and looking into it briefly it seemed like a dead end without kernel source.
Now that we have it, a lot of postponed projects are being woken up in sequence, and having someone to sit down and bounce ideas off of with for a solid day or three is something i'm really looking forward to.
Because really, that's the answer. Walk up to the TV and plug into the audio/video, set the game up, and leave the phone by the TV and play from the couch with a bluetooth controller.
Just like in the old days, when you had to walk up to the system to change games and stuff.
Also, I refuse to play things like the original mortal kombat where i'm trained through and through to include excess pressure on the buttons. Since it's a much more delicate device then an old 8-bit controller...I know i'll break it.
Having a real controller would solve that problem and let me play some of the games on my emulator that are staring me in the face sitting here. All the games I grew up with...and no hardware to run it on. Then this phone comes along, and I can play my old console games on the TV again.
Love this website.
Gotta love how the makers of the phones and os's spend all this time tryin to lock people out from changing them and then there is this website where all these people know how to do almost anything to these new/old phone. I love you guys lol, this is by far the best website to be on to get info about your phone.
If it wasnt for all of you my tilt2 woulda been borin I meen more boring..
I have recently upgraded (lol) to a mytouch 4g slide and it is a very nice phone.
A whole new ballgame for me to figure out how to make it custom, should be fun
Don't worry you came the the right place. The sticky in general has information on everything you'll need to know or click my sig. Welcome to the mt4g slide
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.
My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.
I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).
I asked this last year and haven't gotten anywhere since.
I started out with the G2 and quickly had CM7 on it. I had a insurance replacement and got the MT4GS as a replacement. Camera is an important app for me. I was spoiled with all the great stuff on CM7 but the Google camera in the G2 was not very good. After trying several camera apps, I found none.
Back to the MT4GS. The camera app was great and it is the biggest reason I have not stuck with the various roms available here.
I did upgrade to the Galaxy S3 but I returned it after a couple of days because I just couldn't justify $350 ( after rebate, total cost). It got me ticked off when I heard a co worker tell me he got his at Sprint for $100 plus the taxes. It is a great phone and it already has much rom development.
SO - Why is our phone so far behind the rest of the good phones out there? Why is the camera with 1080 video so hard to get going? We have a great phone but no developers can approach the complete package I got with CM7.
I am not a developer. I have donated to people whose roms I have used. I have the paid version of ROM Manager, but since I got the MT4GS, it is worthless except to use as an installer.
I used to download nightlies every night.
Signed,
Frustrated
It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
xmc wildchild22 said:
we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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sandiegoan said:
camera with 1080 video
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NOW who's not reading threads before asking questions, XMC?
It is true that there's a lot less dev on this phone than many others with inferior hardware. It would be nice to have an RC for CM9, for instance(though our build is plenty stable).
I will say, though, that the few we do have are big winners. For big names, We've got MIUI, Virtuous, CM, and AOKP. We've got also got several tweaked stock builds. There ARE roms that keep the stock camera too while being pretty far from stock, so I'm not sure about that complaint.
As far as other devices that have 800 different ROMs available, I spent a lot of time tweaking my OG Droid, and a friend of Mine's HTC EVO 4G. 80% of the builds that are out there on those devices are just clones of each other with buggy themes or different UI versions thrown on, some features enabled or disabled, or debloated rips of the stock rom. If you go into the development sections for these other devices, you will find that the majority of people who make a lot of posts and provide the most help tend to be on one of three to five major ROMS, just the same as you see in the dev section here.
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we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe
Paitor said:
For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe
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^ second that.
I was actually this close to ditching the Slide for the Galaxy Nexus when Jelly Bean was released. I miiiiiiight still do it, but I'm really leaning toward keeping the Slide just because of the camera. The still pictures on this phone are so superior to anything else I've ever used, that I've stopped using a regular camera entirely.
And from what everyone says, the GNex camera is pretty bad. So yeah, better software is nice, but hardware is hugely important, too. The camera and keyboard are what's keeping me with the Slide. Plus, CM9 is pretty sweet.
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Great answer!
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It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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I never thought of it that way. Thanks.
When I think about it, the deal breaker is the camera. The hardware, the app itself and the full video resolution.
When I had the G2, it had a stock android camera app. I didn't miss what I never had. When I got to the slide, I miss the stock camera app. Sense? I could care less about it. I use ADW_EX so my phones and tablet work the same.
I'm just looking for my next great phone.
Thanks for the answers.
I still run a tweaked/optimized stock-based ROM simply because this MT4GS is my ONLY phone. I don't have a landline or other cell, I depend on this phone to always work. I depend on every function of the phone to work reliably (Bluetooth, wifi, wifi calling, camera, GPS, etc.) and not have to deal with "oh, you have to do this this this to get that to work", or "you have to reboot, then hold it upside down, then sacrifice a virgin chicken, then that will work OK until you breath 4 times, then you have to do all that again". It might be fun and exciting to deal with that sort of thing when you're not dependent upon the phone, but I can't risk that.
I'm sad that there isn't an official ICS for this phone. And while the current CM9 alphas are amazing for what they accomplish, and the hard work put into them by the devs is evident and appreciated, I still can't risk using it (or MIUI or others) for the simple reason that they just don't yet provide stock-ROM reliability. That is no slight to the devs, just a fact of life.
So I've been lurking around XDA for a while now. I'm not new to Android, and in fact I've used this site before to customize the Huawei Ideos/T-Mobile Comet.
I replaced that old phone with a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G Slide and I've had it for a year unmodded
Anyways, one major thing that made me hold off on changing the rom on my phone is the fact that no matter what ROM was out, it couldn't record any higher than 720p. Now to most people, that isn't an issue, but the MAIN reason I bought the phone was for the 1080p recording.
With that being said, has there been any ROM developed that finally fixed the 1080p recording? I've read that the phone's ROM is based off the HTC Sensation, which is another phone with a similar camera and that recently got 1080p fixed. Has it been fixed for the Mytouch or is it on the way?
Also, what are the best roms for this phone with the least bugs?
Thanks for your time.
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So I've been lurking around XDA for a while now. I'm not new to Android, and in fact I've used this site before to customize the Huawei Ideos/T-Mobile Comet.
I replaced that old phone with a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G Slide and I've had it for a year unmodded
Anyways, one major thing that made me hold off on changing the rom on my phone is the fact that no matter what ROM was out, it couldn't record any higher than 720p. Now to most people, that isn't an issue, but the MAIN reason I bought the phone was for the 1080p recording.
With that being said, has there been any ROM developed that finally fixed the 1080p recording? I've read that the phone's ROM is based off the HTC Sensation, which is another phone with a similar camera and that recently got 1080p fixed. Has it been fixed for the Mytouch or is it on the way?
Also, what are the best roms for this phone with the least bugs?
Thanks for your time.
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I've had the MT4GS for over a year now, S-OFF and unlocked. I've tested/run most of the available ROMs. Several of the newer ROMs are quite nice, but I think 1080P video is out of the question except for stock-based ROMs. Even though I've run some of the newer ROMs, I always end up going back to the Miktouch 0.7 ROM because it is just so stable and everything works like it is supposed to work. It is based on the last HTC stock ROM (the 1.63.531.2) but has been extensively tweaked and modded to make it much more smooth and unbloated. And 1080P video works perfect, of course.
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I've had the MT4GS for over a year now, S-OFF and unlocked. I've tested/run most of the available ROMs. Several of the newer ROMs are quite nice, but I think 1080P video is out of the question except for stock-based ROMs. Even though I've run some of the newer ROMs, I always end up going back to the Miktouch 0.7 ROM because it is just so stable and everything works like it is supposed to work. It is based on the last HTC stock ROM (the 1.63.531.2) but has been extensively tweaked and modded to make it much more smooth and unbloated. And 1080P video works perfect, of course.
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yeah the one of the most glaring issue for our device especially as compared to the sensation for ICS and newer is 1080p recording. any stock based ROM will have it, but anything else pretty much wont (yet...hopefully...)
It may just be me, but I think 1080p is a bit over rated for this phone. I can't find a significant difference between 720p and 1080p......it may just be because I'm used to 720p
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It may just be me, but I think 1080p is a bit over rated for this phone. I can't find a significant difference between 720p and 1080p......it may just be because I'm used to 720p
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I literally LoL at everyone who "can't" live without 1080. Its a phone people if you want a camera.......go buy one.
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I believe it's as much bragging rights as anything Strapped. It's certainly not because it limits usability.
If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
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Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
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Chill the **** out, dude. I wasn't slamming you and your rant is way out of line here. This was an honest discussion of the 1080P capabilities and a desire to have it available on ROMs other than stock. If it is your idea that only people who code and contribute code should use or have any voice in alternate ROM development, then I think you'd have a very lonely forum.
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If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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The main reason the Mytouch 4g slide was praised was because of the camera. It was pretty advanced for its time. In fact, there are few phones out there that match the Mytouch 4g slide in productivity and features. Most phones that now have 8megapixel cameras and 1080p recording don't even have a keyboard. The Mytouch doesn't sacrifice anything, with that being said, why would I (or anyone really) downgrade the mytouch?
Think about it this way.... why would you buy a Corvette and downgrade its engine? For better fuel economy? The car gets good mileage as is. The phone's the same way. My only gripes with the stock rom on the phone is the bloatware.
I did find something I liked so I'll play around with it see if its decent enough for me.
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The main reason the Mytouch 4g slide was praised was because of the camera. It was pretty advanced for its time. In fact, there are few phones out there that match the Mytouch 4g slide in productivity and features. Most phones that now have 8megapixel cameras and 1080p recording don't even have a keyboard. The Mytouch doesn't sacrifice anything, with that being said, why would I (or anyone really) downgrade the mytouch?
Think about it this way.... why would you buy a Corvette and downgrade its engine? For better fuel economy? The car gets good mileage as is. The phone's the same way. My only gripes with the stock rom on the phone is the bloatware.
I did find something I liked so I'll play around with it see if its decent enough for me.
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Miktouch 0.7 doesn't have any bloatware, it is tweaked nicely, runs very smoothly. It is stock-based, from the last HTC OTA for this phone, so the 1080P video works perfectly.
strapped365 said:
Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
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Relax man, we're all friends here... It goes without saying this is more of a user biased device, considering how few devs there are.
You have to be ok with being just one of the few devs and not having that many people actively being able to help you. That's just how it is. Most people won't dev unless they're inspired or motivated to (insert reason X here). And there isn't much you can say or do to change that. Not every device will have the luxury of having multiple devs, and we're lucky to have the ones that we have.
I understand where you're coming from though. Have you seen any other forums where there's like only one dev? I swear it's like one momma pig and litters of runts. I won't mention which device, but there's more typed out thanking and BS going on in the dev section than anything else. I don't condone such behavior, but hey, whatever floats their boat.
But just because I don't contribute code doesn't mean I'm not helpful. Or at least I still think I am.
Fuzi0719 said:
If it is your idea that only people who code and contribute code should use or have any voice in alternate ROM development, then I think you'd have a very lonely forum.
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But it kinda is a "whatever they say goes" deal... If you don't code, whatever input you give is nothing more than an opinion or some general help at best. Not much authority with that.
gtmaster303 said:
But it kinda is a "whatever they say goes" deal... If you don't code, whatever input you give is nothing more than an opinion or some general help at best. Not much authority with that.
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Then it is just devs doing a circle jerk. Having users actually use the ROMs and contribute their experiences in using those ROMs gives the dev a lot of feedback on how and what to improve or change.
I used to be all worried about losing my 1080p video capabilities when I first started flashing.
Then I realized I wasn't filming HD movies for Hollywood production and most of my videos never left the phone, let alone YT videos are rarely 1080p anyway. I'm betting most can't even tell the difference because it only matters on a screen larger than 35 inches anyway.
Get over it and you're in a wonderful place of magical ROMs built by great folks devoting their free time to mutual enjoyment.
Thank you developers!
rorytmeadows said:
I used to be all worried about losing my 1080p video capabilities when I first started flashing.
Then I realized I wasn't filming HD movies for Hollywood production and most of my videos never left the phone, let alone YT videos are rarely 1080p anyway. I'm betting most can't even tell the difference because it only matters on a screen larger than 35 inches anyway.
Get over it and you're in a wonderful place of magical ROMs built by great folks devoting their free time to mutual enjoyment.
Thank you developers!
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Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
Fuzi0719 said:
Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
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I think tonight I'll test 720 vs 1080 on the 73 inch TV cause I want to see the difference cause I've never really cared, but now you sir have my mind wondering hahaha
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Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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Interesting point....
But then I saw this article yesterday and it puts an interesting spin on the whole 720p / 1080p debate....
http://gizmodo.com/5972475/a-pro-photographer-with-a-crappy-toy-camera-proves-hardware-doesnt-matter
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Interesting point....
But then I saw this article yesterday and it puts an interesting spin on the whole 720p / 1080p debate....
http://gizmodo.com/5972475/a-pro-photographer-with-a-crappy-toy-camera-proves-hardware-doesnt-matter
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Ugh, that article frustrates me.
I'm well aware of this movement and also aware of how much a joke it is. I partnered with two local professional photographers, one a retired Xerox executive, who were also partners at Image City Photography Gallery in Rochester, NY within the last few years and discovered they held a mobile-phone only exhibit (once, mind you). The photos were awful, just like the one displayed in the article you linked. Even the partner photographers dabbled in it a bit, and with their genius, they touched up the photos HEAVY with effects to look different and interesting, but unless you were normally of the heavy distorted style or explained that they were taken with smartphones, the quality was shunned.
Please don't fall into the trap that art can be anything. That basically says that any photo taken anywhere at any time of anything is thus art. Then you're the same as a teenage girl who discovers Instagram and thinks she's some professional artist or some idiot that buys a $1200 DSLR thinking it automatically means they know anything about photography. Show me an entire wedding's professional photos done with a smartphone...
I'm not saying it won't get to the point when our smartphones are also professional quality photo devices, but we're years away.
No need to respond, just my opinions and ranting; as Instagram-nation frustrates me beyond belief.
To lighten the mood: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6853117/look-at-this-instagram-nickelback-parody
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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So why have a smartphone, just carry a dumb phone, an MP3 player, a camera, a pager, a laptop, and a nice backpack to hold it all. This phone has a 1080P video ability that works extremely well and takes excellent video. If I wanted to carry a separate camera with me everywhere and have it in my hand all the time on the chance that I might see something I want to record, that would be great, wouldn't it? Do you have that Olympus with you ALL THE TIME?
By your logic, every complaint about a ROM can be easily solved. Keyboard not working correctly? Well, you don't need a keyboard, there is a keyboard on the screen you can use, you're stupid for wanting that qwerty, anyway. Music not playing well/audio cutting out? Get a real music player like an iPod, if you're serious about music you shouldn't be using a phone anyway. Battery life sucks? Shouldn't be using your phone like a computer anyway, get a laptop with a bigger battery.
And the "you're not a professional so don't bother wanting better quality"... My reply to that would not be allowed in this forum. I've seen a lot of people carrying professional equipment that couldn't take a good photograph if their life depended upon it. Just because you can afford to buy expensive crap doesn't mean you know any more about photography than the guy with a crappy smartphone.
I've taken video at 720P using a CM10 ROM and I've compared it to video of the same subject taken at 1080P using the MIktouch ROM. The difference when viewing on even a 42" 1080P television screen is very apparent. I don't have to be a professional photographer to notice or appreciate it.