So I've been lurking around XDA for a while now. I'm not new to Android, and in fact I've used this site before to customize the Huawei Ideos/T-Mobile Comet.
I replaced that old phone with a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G Slide and I've had it for a year unmodded
Anyways, one major thing that made me hold off on changing the rom on my phone is the fact that no matter what ROM was out, it couldn't record any higher than 720p. Now to most people, that isn't an issue, but the MAIN reason I bought the phone was for the 1080p recording.
With that being said, has there been any ROM developed that finally fixed the 1080p recording? I've read that the phone's ROM is based off the HTC Sensation, which is another phone with a similar camera and that recently got 1080p fixed. Has it been fixed for the Mytouch or is it on the way?
Also, what are the best roms for this phone with the least bugs?
Thanks for your time.
Nas Escobar said:
So I've been lurking around XDA for a while now. I'm not new to Android, and in fact I've used this site before to customize the Huawei Ideos/T-Mobile Comet.
I replaced that old phone with a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G Slide and I've had it for a year unmodded
Anyways, one major thing that made me hold off on changing the rom on my phone is the fact that no matter what ROM was out, it couldn't record any higher than 720p. Now to most people, that isn't an issue, but the MAIN reason I bought the phone was for the 1080p recording.
With that being said, has there been any ROM developed that finally fixed the 1080p recording? I've read that the phone's ROM is based off the HTC Sensation, which is another phone with a similar camera and that recently got 1080p fixed. Has it been fixed for the Mytouch or is it on the way?
Also, what are the best roms for this phone with the least bugs?
Thanks for your time.
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I've had the MT4GS for over a year now, S-OFF and unlocked. I've tested/run most of the available ROMs. Several of the newer ROMs are quite nice, but I think 1080P video is out of the question except for stock-based ROMs. Even though I've run some of the newer ROMs, I always end up going back to the Miktouch 0.7 ROM because it is just so stable and everything works like it is supposed to work. It is based on the last HTC stock ROM (the 1.63.531.2) but has been extensively tweaked and modded to make it much more smooth and unbloated. And 1080P video works perfect, of course.
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I've had the MT4GS for over a year now, S-OFF and unlocked. I've tested/run most of the available ROMs. Several of the newer ROMs are quite nice, but I think 1080P video is out of the question except for stock-based ROMs. Even though I've run some of the newer ROMs, I always end up going back to the Miktouch 0.7 ROM because it is just so stable and everything works like it is supposed to work. It is based on the last HTC stock ROM (the 1.63.531.2) but has been extensively tweaked and modded to make it much more smooth and unbloated. And 1080P video works perfect, of course.
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yeah the one of the most glaring issue for our device especially as compared to the sensation for ICS and newer is 1080p recording. any stock based ROM will have it, but anything else pretty much wont (yet...hopefully...)
It may just be me, but I think 1080p is a bit over rated for this phone. I can't find a significant difference between 720p and 1080p......it may just be because I'm used to 720p
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It may just be me, but I think 1080p is a bit over rated for this phone. I can't find a significant difference between 720p and 1080p......it may just be because I'm used to 720p
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I literally LoL at everyone who "can't" live without 1080. Its a phone people if you want a camera.......go buy one.
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I believe it's as much bragging rights as anything Strapped. It's certainly not because it limits usability.
If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
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Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
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Chill the **** out, dude. I wasn't slamming you and your rant is way out of line here. This was an honest discussion of the 1080P capabilities and a desire to have it available on ROMs other than stock. If it is your idea that only people who code and contribute code should use or have any voice in alternate ROM development, then I think you'd have a very lonely forum.
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If just viewing on the phone, then you'd be correct that there is little to no difference between 720P and 1080P recordings. But, exporting the video to view on a large screen, like a 47" 1080P TV, then yes, you would definitely see a very big difference in the quality and resolution. Saying "get a camera" is rather disingenuous. Why don't we all go back to carrying around a dumb phone, an mp3 player, a camera, a pager? Let's get a manpurse to hold it all!
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The main reason the Mytouch 4g slide was praised was because of the camera. It was pretty advanced for its time. In fact, there are few phones out there that match the Mytouch 4g slide in productivity and features. Most phones that now have 8megapixel cameras and 1080p recording don't even have a keyboard. The Mytouch doesn't sacrifice anything, with that being said, why would I (or anyone really) downgrade the mytouch?
Think about it this way.... why would you buy a Corvette and downgrade its engine? For better fuel economy? The car gets good mileage as is. The phone's the same way. My only gripes with the stock rom on the phone is the bloatware.
I did find something I liked so I'll play around with it see if its decent enough for me.
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The main reason the Mytouch 4g slide was praised was because of the camera. It was pretty advanced for its time. In fact, there are few phones out there that match the Mytouch 4g slide in productivity and features. Most phones that now have 8megapixel cameras and 1080p recording don't even have a keyboard. The Mytouch doesn't sacrifice anything, with that being said, why would I (or anyone really) downgrade the mytouch?
Think about it this way.... why would you buy a Corvette and downgrade its engine? For better fuel economy? The car gets good mileage as is. The phone's the same way. My only gripes with the stock rom on the phone is the bloatware.
I did find something I liked so I'll play around with it see if its decent enough for me.
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Miktouch 0.7 doesn't have any bloatware, it is tweaked nicely, runs very smoothly. It is stock-based, from the last HTC OTA for this phone, so the 1080P video works perfectly.
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Or people like you can get off their ass and start coding....just saying. Its not a walk down memory lane figuring this out. It sucks that when a dev tries its not good enough and then when we say go buy a camera were basically called a smartass. The DS camera is a joke if your not on Sense point blank period, no way around the garbage this produces nonstock.
The whole attitude of ill help you if you help me has left this community in a big way. And that's cool for you guys, cause continuing to want and not help will leave everyone stranded. I'm half tempted to tell jkilo to keep his DS ill mail mine to cybot and just be done once and for all. Because again free time is taken for granted from link sucking bums who offer nothing to the community
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2
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Relax man, we're all friends here... It goes without saying this is more of a user biased device, considering how few devs there are.
You have to be ok with being just one of the few devs and not having that many people actively being able to help you. That's just how it is. Most people won't dev unless they're inspired or motivated to (insert reason X here). And there isn't much you can say or do to change that. Not every device will have the luxury of having multiple devs, and we're lucky to have the ones that we have.
I understand where you're coming from though. Have you seen any other forums where there's like only one dev? I swear it's like one momma pig and litters of runts. I won't mention which device, but there's more typed out thanking and BS going on in the dev section than anything else. I don't condone such behavior, but hey, whatever floats their boat.
But just because I don't contribute code doesn't mean I'm not helpful. Or at least I still think I am.
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If it is your idea that only people who code and contribute code should use or have any voice in alternate ROM development, then I think you'd have a very lonely forum.
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But it kinda is a "whatever they say goes" deal... If you don't code, whatever input you give is nothing more than an opinion or some general help at best. Not much authority with that.
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But it kinda is a "whatever they say goes" deal... If you don't code, whatever input you give is nothing more than an opinion or some general help at best. Not much authority with that.
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Then it is just devs doing a circle jerk. Having users actually use the ROMs and contribute their experiences in using those ROMs gives the dev a lot of feedback on how and what to improve or change.
I used to be all worried about losing my 1080p video capabilities when I first started flashing.
Then I realized I wasn't filming HD movies for Hollywood production and most of my videos never left the phone, let alone YT videos are rarely 1080p anyway. I'm betting most can't even tell the difference because it only matters on a screen larger than 35 inches anyway.
Get over it and you're in a wonderful place of magical ROMs built by great folks devoting their free time to mutual enjoyment.
Thank you developers!
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I used to be all worried about losing my 1080p video capabilities when I first started flashing.
Then I realized I wasn't filming HD movies for Hollywood production and most of my videos never left the phone, let alone YT videos are rarely 1080p anyway. I'm betting most can't even tell the difference because it only matters on a screen larger than 35 inches anyway.
Get over it and you're in a wonderful place of magical ROMs built by great folks devoting their free time to mutual enjoyment.
Thank you developers!
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Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
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Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
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I think tonight I'll test 720 vs 1080 on the 73 inch TV cause I want to see the difference cause I've never really cared, but now you sir have my mind wondering hahaha
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Of course, if you're only viewing on a phone it makes no difference. But, some of us do export the videos to play on a large screen. Then, it does make a big difference. I want the best quality video possible when I'm viewing vids of my goddaughter I've taken each year when I go to China to visit.
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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Interesting point....
But then I saw this article yesterday and it puts an interesting spin on the whole 720p / 1080p debate....
http://gizmodo.com/5972475/a-pro-photographer-with-a-crappy-toy-camera-proves-hardware-doesnt-matter
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Interesting point....
But then I saw this article yesterday and it puts an interesting spin on the whole 720p / 1080p debate....
http://gizmodo.com/5972475/a-pro-photographer-with-a-crappy-toy-camera-proves-hardware-doesnt-matter
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Ugh, that article frustrates me.
I'm well aware of this movement and also aware of how much a joke it is. I partnered with two local professional photographers, one a retired Xerox executive, who were also partners at Image City Photography Gallery in Rochester, NY within the last few years and discovered they held a mobile-phone only exhibit (once, mind you). The photos were awful, just like the one displayed in the article you linked. Even the partner photographers dabbled in it a bit, and with their genius, they touched up the photos HEAVY with effects to look different and interesting, but unless you were normally of the heavy distorted style or explained that they were taken with smartphones, the quality was shunned.
Please don't fall into the trap that art can be anything. That basically says that any photo taken anywhere at any time of anything is thus art. Then you're the same as a teenage girl who discovers Instagram and thinks she's some professional artist or some idiot that buys a $1200 DSLR thinking it automatically means they know anything about photography. Show me an entire wedding's professional photos done with a smartphone...
I'm not saying it won't get to the point when our smartphones are also professional quality photo devices, but we're years away.
No need to respond, just my opinions and ranting; as Instagram-nation frustrates me beyond belief.
To lighten the mood: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6853117/look-at-this-instagram-nickelback-parody
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If HD quality videos are that important, you really should own a professional camera for such things. The quality of the camera on your phone isn't comparable to a professional one made even 3-4 years ago. That's why I have my Olympus E-PL1. That takes 720p video that blows anything my phone does/did out of the water.
You're essentially buying a Hyundai for the speed. Just because it can go 100mph, doesn't mean it does it well.
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So why have a smartphone, just carry a dumb phone, an MP3 player, a camera, a pager, a laptop, and a nice backpack to hold it all. This phone has a 1080P video ability that works extremely well and takes excellent video. If I wanted to carry a separate camera with me everywhere and have it in my hand all the time on the chance that I might see something I want to record, that would be great, wouldn't it? Do you have that Olympus with you ALL THE TIME?
By your logic, every complaint about a ROM can be easily solved. Keyboard not working correctly? Well, you don't need a keyboard, there is a keyboard on the screen you can use, you're stupid for wanting that qwerty, anyway. Music not playing well/audio cutting out? Get a real music player like an iPod, if you're serious about music you shouldn't be using a phone anyway. Battery life sucks? Shouldn't be using your phone like a computer anyway, get a laptop with a bigger battery.
And the "you're not a professional so don't bother wanting better quality"... My reply to that would not be allowed in this forum. I've seen a lot of people carrying professional equipment that couldn't take a good photograph if their life depended upon it. Just because you can afford to buy expensive crap doesn't mean you know any more about photography than the guy with a crappy smartphone.
I've taken video at 720P using a CM10 ROM and I've compared it to video of the same subject taken at 1080P using the MIktouch ROM. The difference when viewing on even a 42" 1080P television screen is very apparent. I don't have to be a professional photographer to notice or appreciate it.
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No doubt some of you have seen these videos:
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/index.html
http://www.perceptivepixel.com/
If you haven't - check them out.
The reason I bring this up is simple. Do you see this technology moving into mobile phone devices in the future? Can you see yourself interacting with your mobile phone using a "Surface" or "Perspective Pixel" UI?
From a development perspective, do you think it is possible with todays hardware specs to run something like this?
And just for humors sake you have to see this...
http://www.break.com/index/microsoft-surface-technology-parody.html
Similar things can be done in mobile devices maybe after 10 years
Wow that's cool. Did he get this idea from the movie "Minority Report" or did the film get the idea from him? Either way I can't wait until this is available to everyone!
the way htc is making devices (without any 3d power) it will at least take another 100 years......... sigh
Even the touch HD, the high end multimedia device! Cannot even play games smoothly, or play a random divx movie without framedrops....
too bad i'm not here anymore after 100 years........sigh again!
Remember, In 100 years it's all new people. A complete change over.
I´m sure a lot of people have seen that, but for those not pease have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32JmZkRddc
That future is not so far away!
IMHO, the future is written with fingers, not a stylus
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And just for humors sake you have to see this...
http://www.break.com/index/microsoft-surface-technology-parody.html
Wow....I almost crapped my paints...LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32JmZkRddc
Is this even real?
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Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.
Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.
A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.
so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!
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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!
Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
Sent from my captivate on a rock in the middle of the ocean!
I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon
cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.
I think this is the first proper review.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-review-23153699/
Do the people with the phone already, agree with the conclusions drawn?
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I think this is the first proper review.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-review-23153699/
Do the people with the phone already, agree with the conclusions drawn?
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Seemed pretty fair and balanced. Glad to see that pics are better with this handset over some other HTC ones. Little bummed about the tearing int he video - but I imagine that might be something that a software update might address. Browser seems fine if a little different than the samsung when zooming flash. Battery life looked ok - but what surprised me was that they have great battery life on their SGS II. That seems to be one of the most dominant complaint threads on their boards.
All in all I feel better about looking to purchase one when it comes out in the states.
Damn.
I'm thinking more and more of getting the SG2 now instead due to lack of dev support and this review is swaying it more too. The SG2 is a much better hardware package but i prefer the design of htc and i prefer sense to touchwiz.
I can comment on TouchWiz vs. Sense. I got an SGS2 because I couldn't wait for the Sensation to come to the States to evaluate it. I had Sense on my former HTC phones and was expecting TouchWiz to be kind of the same thing. Sense is an environment with apps tightly integrated whereas TouchWiz is really just a Samsung launcher. I used launchers on my last two phones which were vanilla Android so TouchWiz's more Android feel felt comfortable. People looking for HTC's approach toward common apps being front-ended by Sense and tightly integrated would be disappointed with TouchWiz. Not that TouchWiz is bad and a lot of Samsung's proprietary apps and hubs are really good, it's just a very different approach.
"Sensation as the consumer’s phone and the Galaxy S II as the Android fan’s phone"
this review is that whas i need.
i dont intresting sg2. i only intresting or sensation is beter that desire in all aspekts ( screen, power, call quality, camera, sound in 3.5mm and laudnes in speeker, battery u.t.t)
Sensation is beter? i think it is.
hope for root, bet some time i cen live without that
p.s in latvian phone cen wait 2-3 weaks after unbranded realise in eorope. need wait some time
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i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
HTC are a better all rounder i think
Well Barff1984, I do agree with you that in the all-rounder category the Sensation is the winner, however in terms of "Android Fans Phone" I think it's a bit inconclusive:
On one hand you've got the fact that the SGS2 was released earlier, with its bootloader opened wide with the sound of devs cheers, incredible specs and whatnot. Is it the easy fan choice? Well;
On the other hand: Some people (myself included, hate me if I sound a bit biased) prefer HTC's approach - albeit slightly weaker, when it comes down to the experience of actually using it - the UI, the sense of quality in your hand is a key factor.
And you know what? I think that's another way of being an Android fan - sticking with the things you like, and not fitting into an iFruity pattern. That's the beauty of Android - you've always got choice, whether its hardware or software. If you don't like it - change it. Because you can.
Plus I can smell the dev gods are cooking delicious stuff for us Hardcore HTC guys, and just because Samsung got a head start doesn't mean the Sensation is DOA.
i agree with you trek -
I don't think you can say either phone is better, they both had good points, both had bad points...
but the reason i love android - WE are left with a choice of which one WE prefer !
i happen to prefer better build and feel of htc and sense over touchwiz.
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i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
HTC are a better all rounder i think
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I think you've mis-read the quote slightly.
I think it's to do with the sensation having a more polished interface which will make it sit better with casual users. Whereas people that have researched the phones a great deal will possibly prefer the Galaxy2 for its unlocked bootloader and arguably better hardware.
Of course as slashgear also stated,this generalisation does nothing for either phone as both are power houses.
P.s. I also realise that the vast majority of users here have researched both phones and have alot of knowledge, hence the reason we're here. ;-)
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It's a never-ending debate.
As long as someone is happy with any of the phone, I would say job well done from the part of the manufacturer/OEM. And I believe the review did it's best not to raise the fanboy-ish sentiments that we have.
I am absolutely sure that Engadget review will be provocative/controversial (it's always their goal to generate maximum comments). Gsmarena/Anandtech seems to be much more detailed and objective.
Phil750123 said:
i agree with you trek -
I don't think you can say either phone is better, they both had good points, both had bad points...
but the reason i love android - WE are left with a choice of which one WE prefer !
i happen to prefer better build and feel of htc and sense over touchwiz.
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What i just hate is that HTC failed on a few VERY simple issues,
if they did better on those points, they would easy have a winner.
1) More RAM and internal storage
2) Non signed bootloader
3) Hardware accl browser
Barff1984 said:
i disagree. sg2 is just too ugly and iphone'esque (even if Apple copied their original design from samsung)
HTC are a better all rounder i think
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+1, put together, SGS2 is ugly look.
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I think the review was good. I saw some complaints about it being too superficial but I think it serves its purpose and was unbiased pointing out the benefits and cons giving each phone its due (I don't care that it was more of a comparative review as that's basically how people on here treat it). I also hope the GSMArena one comes out soon. They tend to have very detailed review going into all aspects of the phones. I'm still quite sure I'm getting it but I like to be aware of all the "bad" stuff before I get something (this is also nice because often the bad doesn't turn out to be as bad as I thought it would be making me pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed )
MartijnMM said:
What i just hate is that HTC failed on a few VERY simple issues,
if they did better on those points, they would easy have a winner.
1) More RAM and internal storage
2) Non signed bootloader
3) Hardware accl browser
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I agree, minor steps for big improvements.
1) Think the ram is the big issue, specially when sense is going to take up
more ram then touchwiz (im guessing here but im pretty certain it be the
case)
2) Im sure "hoping" that this will be by passable, I've read a detail
article about this stating, it not as bad as people believe. I dont understand
it fully but as most people on here, i just want custom roms!
3) Would be nice, but not on my top list as personally im not a big
web broswer on my mobile. (Although might change when i get a bigger screen
and faster web browsing )
Im leaving work early to fly down to the vodafone shop and see if
they have one in stock - bar that to phones 4 u shop opposite so
hopefully I'll be able to talk from first hand experience!
Hmm, I wonder when we'll start seeing reviews with proper GPS testing. Not comments like "the gps is fine, it locked really fast!" but showing some tracks and proof of decent accuracy and consistency. That would help avoiding fiascos like the one with the Galaxy S.
I'm curious about the Sensation but will definitely not buy another toy without clearing this out first... can't get lost.
did anyone notice sample camera picture taken by sensation at slashgear review have soft image on left and sharp on the right?
ignore the already out of focus background flower pic, other street and tree pictures it doesn't seem like depth of field, anyone got the device on hand can confirm or share your picture please.
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Hmm, I wonder when we'll start seeing reviews with proper GPS testing. Not comments like "the gps is fine, it locked really fast!" but showing some tracks and proof of decent accuracy and consistency. That would help avoiding fiascos like the one with the Galaxy S.
I'm curious about the Sensation but will definitely not buy another toy without clearing this out first... can't get lost.
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True, I'd like to know this. But no tech site, or youtube review has brought up the GPS issue, which I'm sure they would when they did their review.
I did hear (made a poll), on androidforums, that a few had these problems but all of them, now, have basically ironed themselves out. Really odd, but a few days later virtually everyone reported back that it fixed itself. I know your looking for hard evidence but I just thought I'd share what I know.
ratchetnclank said:
Damn.
I'm thinking more and more of getting the SG2 now instead due to lack of dev support and this review is swaying it more too. The SG2 is a much better hardware package but i prefer the design of htc and i prefer sense to touchwiz.
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Well, Its kinda just got out on contract... wait for it to be off-contract and published in the USA and more :O
http://www.slashgear.com/sensation-vs-galaxy-s-ii-does-qhd-make-a-difference-24154010/
Addition stuff about the screens. Looks like for games its the SGII for movies/webbrowsing/text based stuff - Sensation.
I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
i had (have) a g2, i just got a mytouch4g slide this morning and got it rooted already, their isn't much dev works since the kernal source hasn't been released yet. the g2 has alot of great roms out for it, i loved it. im missing miui sooo much till i get on the mt4gs, but i'll wait and play with my dual core and camera for a bit. =]
Just my luck
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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Undeadk9 said:
Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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Get the Anker batteries mentioned in the Accessories board. Also, give the AOSP team time to create a vanilla/CM build for the Doubleshot.
elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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So bring an extra battery or a charger and your problem is solved
ChocolateShein said:
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
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yep! that's what it looks like is going to happen. time for some overclocking on this processor =P
god, im ready to really unleash the power of this dual core phone.. =D
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I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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Droidmoder said:
Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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Not practical are you nuts? I watch netflix on my tv everynight not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games.
Not to mention a longer cord can be purchased. As well as rca 3 prong will work with older and new tvs hdmi will not unless another adapter is purchased. The picture is great quality too.
If we use your logic, looking at this small screen for an hour is just as bad as sitting six feet from a tv. Talk about a bad case of blurred vision ,headache and possible decrease in long range vision (nearsighted).
No offence but that was a dumb comment and I rarely say that.
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dhkr234 said:
If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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I just got another cord to extend it. I can sit up to 18 feet back now.
Even when i'm not using it, it's still hooked up to a tv i've gotten and placed next to my desk in my work area (i've never owned a tv before...leave it to a phone to make me want one). I play music through it on the tv generally.
It's also good to have the system up on a larger screen sitting next to my computers so I can work with it more efficiently.
The idea of being restricted to a 6 foot cable is not so great, but it's a very cheap and easy solution you can fix at any radio shack, best buy, walmart, etc...
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... not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games....
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Are you interested in working together on this?
I have someone (finally...no real-life computer friends...) who is willing/able to sit down and figure it out with me. He wants to attach his wii controllers to his phone, so I have that piece of hardware to work with and two phones + a Nook Color to test it out on.
I ordered a sixaxis controller, but the order got all screwed up and i'm gonna have to deal with paypal to get my money back. I hate ebay, and usually stick with amazon, but the price seemed too good. When I can afford to try again i'll get one.
I haven't actually sat down and put all the random info together yet, but i've got a pile of raw data waiting to be sifted through.
Shoot me a pm if you're interested and we can go from there, but i'm gonna sit down with my new computer friend next week and spend a whole day - maybe two - working on this exclusively.
It may just work right away with no tweaking (lol) but if not we'd need kernel source to fix the problem. Now that we have it it's worth looking into, and this is one of those projects that got put on hold until source dropped. Starting to dust off the old ideas and run them now.
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
dhkr234 said:
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Its not a crazy hack lol. Droid does.
I guess some people don't understand the true potentials android has to offer.
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dhkr234 said:
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Why should I buy a console that either has a history of hardware issues or a EULA that is offensive in the extreme? Particularly when I have a phone that will do the same things?
There is nothing any console on the market has that I want that my phone can't already do.
dhkr234 said:
Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
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Thanks for the info. I'm purchasing the phone new, so the Doubleshot sounds nice. The camera is a welcome feature for me, since I don't want to have to carry around an actual camera. Unfortunately, most of the Doubleshot's camera features come with Sense, although I don't mind sense too much.
I asked this last year and haven't gotten anywhere since.
I started out with the G2 and quickly had CM7 on it. I had a insurance replacement and got the MT4GS as a replacement. Camera is an important app for me. I was spoiled with all the great stuff on CM7 but the Google camera in the G2 was not very good. After trying several camera apps, I found none.
Back to the MT4GS. The camera app was great and it is the biggest reason I have not stuck with the various roms available here.
I did upgrade to the Galaxy S3 but I returned it after a couple of days because I just couldn't justify $350 ( after rebate, total cost). It got me ticked off when I heard a co worker tell me he got his at Sprint for $100 plus the taxes. It is a great phone and it already has much rom development.
SO - Why is our phone so far behind the rest of the good phones out there? Why is the camera with 1080 video so hard to get going? We have a great phone but no developers can approach the complete package I got with CM7.
I am not a developer. I have donated to people whose roms I have used. I have the paid version of ROM Manager, but since I got the MT4GS, it is worthless except to use as an installer.
I used to download nightlies every night.
Signed,
Frustrated
It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
xmc wildchild22 said:
we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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sandiegoan said:
camera with 1080 video
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NOW who's not reading threads before asking questions, XMC?
It is true that there's a lot less dev on this phone than many others with inferior hardware. It would be nice to have an RC for CM9, for instance(though our build is plenty stable).
I will say, though, that the few we do have are big winners. For big names, We've got MIUI, Virtuous, CM, and AOKP. We've got also got several tweaked stock builds. There ARE roms that keep the stock camera too while being pretty far from stock, so I'm not sure about that complaint.
As far as other devices that have 800 different ROMs available, I spent a lot of time tweaking my OG Droid, and a friend of Mine's HTC EVO 4G. 80% of the builds that are out there on those devices are just clones of each other with buggy themes or different UI versions thrown on, some features enabled or disabled, or debloated rips of the stock rom. If you go into the development sections for these other devices, you will find that the majority of people who make a lot of posts and provide the most help tend to be on one of three to five major ROMS, just the same as you see in the dev section here.
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we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe
Paitor said:
For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe
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^ second that.
I was actually this close to ditching the Slide for the Galaxy Nexus when Jelly Bean was released. I miiiiiiight still do it, but I'm really leaning toward keeping the Slide just because of the camera. The still pictures on this phone are so superior to anything else I've ever used, that I've stopped using a regular camera entirely.
And from what everyone says, the GNex camera is pretty bad. So yeah, better software is nice, but hardware is hugely important, too. The camera and keyboard are what's keeping me with the Slide. Plus, CM9 is pretty sweet.
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Great answer!
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rorytmeadows said:
It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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I never thought of it that way. Thanks.
When I think about it, the deal breaker is the camera. The hardware, the app itself and the full video resolution.
When I had the G2, it had a stock android camera app. I didn't miss what I never had. When I got to the slide, I miss the stock camera app. Sense? I could care less about it. I use ADW_EX so my phones and tablet work the same.
I'm just looking for my next great phone.
Thanks for the answers.
I still run a tweaked/optimized stock-based ROM simply because this MT4GS is my ONLY phone. I don't have a landline or other cell, I depend on this phone to always work. I depend on every function of the phone to work reliably (Bluetooth, wifi, wifi calling, camera, GPS, etc.) and not have to deal with "oh, you have to do this this this to get that to work", or "you have to reboot, then hold it upside down, then sacrifice a virgin chicken, then that will work OK until you breath 4 times, then you have to do all that again". It might be fun and exciting to deal with that sort of thing when you're not dependent upon the phone, but I can't risk that.
I'm sad that there isn't an official ICS for this phone. And while the current CM9 alphas are amazing for what they accomplish, and the hard work put into them by the devs is evident and appreciated, I still can't risk using it (or MIUI or others) for the simple reason that they just don't yet provide stock-ROM reliability. That is no slight to the devs, just a fact of life.