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Root the desire?

I consider buying this phone. But I don't want to before it's rooted. Thought we could discuss it here. Or is it delivered open?

sindrefyrn said:
I consider buying this phone. But I don't want to before it's rooted. Thought we could discuss it here. Or is it delivered open?
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Yesterday I was searching for the direct quote from Paul (modaco) regarding this; at least I think it was him who said this...
Basically, unless I made this up in my head, he (if it were him) stated that the oem unlock functionality built into the bootloader has been removed.
Of course this is all speculative until I can find that damn quote

I strongly doubt that this has the same oem unlock features as the Nexus. The OEM unlock is most likely only requested by Google, and I do not think that HTC will do the same thing. It would be awesome, no doubt about it, but hey, lets be realistic.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the device gets sent out to review.

Zappza said:
I strongly doubt that this has the same oem unlock features as the Nexus. The OEM unlock is most likely only requested by Google, and I do not think that HTC will do the same thing. It would be awesome, no doubt about it, but hey, lets be realistic.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the device gets sent out to review.
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Guess you're right. Hope there will be some kind of exploit we can use. Or a leaked RUU with eng SPL or anything.

Do we know who is going to root / make a custom rom for it?

Lukehluke said:
Do we know who is going to root / make a custom rom for it?
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I think (and hope) someone will manage to root it, unless it's delivered open. But at the moment we don't know.
Altoguh, I've heard that it's using the same radio and hboot as Nexus One. Therefore, they should be able to use the same ROMs.

hey it's almost 100% that it will be rooted! is there anything in the world of computers that is not hacked ??? if it's not like the same day of it's release like the nexus (which was even before its release) it will be rooted in some days!!!

lambrospower said:
hey it's almost 100% that it will be rooted! is there anything in the world of computers that is not hacked ??? if it's not like the same day of it's release like the nexus (which was even before its release) it will be rooted in some days!!!
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I just hope that it's not that every good developer have bought Nexus One, and therefore doesn't bother trying to root the Desire.

i don't think so, as every enthusiast will try to have this phone. Also i see many "hackers" being involved in more than two or even three mobile phones very often in this forum so we hold our chance

This should prove to be interesting to watch unfold...
random thoughts...
-The usual suspects seem to be fully wrapped up in Nexus development. Hard not to be with such a fun device What does this mean for the desire? Not sure.
-oem unlock appears to not be present in the desire's rom. if the desire is built on the same everything else (with sense on top) as the nexus, which has not bee rooted any other way beyond oem unlock, I'm not sure how someone will circumvent the lockdown. Perhaps without oem unlock, people will be forced to get creative? *shrug*
-The desire's rom works on the nexus; to me this says one thing...there is little->no reason for anyone with an n1 to look into a desire as long as desire images keep leaking.
All random thoughts but it would seem that possibly the desire may wind up being a consumer product rather than a hobbyist product...only time will tell though

I hope it will be more then a consumer product. The reaseon I'm buying the desire is that it will be released in belgium the nexus one isn't.

Yeah, I'm intrigued about this too- ordered an HTC Desire earlier today for delivery beginning of April, but no idea if i'll be able to root it and stick a Nexus rom on it!

Will be keeping an eye on these threads, just about to pre-order the Desire.

Hi guys
preordered one too, coming from a Touch HD. Til now on the online shop I ordered its stated to arrive at the end of march. Hope they can hold this date. Cant wait to see this device beeing rooted
Ascenca

hmm, I really want a snapdragon+ phone with sense on t-mobile usa. or even just a snapdragon one that is for consumers.

It needs time, I think. Because it´s not to buy, I mean before the HTC Hero came out, do we know it has root? NO When it´s out it needs a little time, and we have root believe me.
sorry for my bad english

I have a few questions, i want to buy a htc desire but i come from winmo world so i don't understand everything...
If the phone doesn't get rooted...
-will it be still possible to install .apk directly on the phone ?
-will it be still possible to upgrade 'operators' roms to official or cooked roms ?

tibey said:
I have a few questions, i want to buy a htc desire but i come from winmo world so i don't understand everything...
If the phone doesn't get rooted...
-will it be still possible to install .apk directly on the phone ?
-will it be still possible to upgrade 'operators' roms to official or cooked roms ?
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-yes.
-no.

Nexus
I've got the Nexus One, and just wanted to point out a few things (from my perspective)
The Nexus one runs Desire / Sense - BUT flash in the camera is bad, and so is bluetooth. (I used to have a HTC Magic, running HTC Hero / Sense on it, never really worked as good as my friends Hero, so history repeats itself - even with my friend selling his Hero to buy a Desire
So there are a difference in the hardware
the Nexus was rooted very fast, but this is because Google intended the phone to be rooted, this is Google behavior, and clearly not HTC behavior.
I don't see why a developer finding a root method in the Nexus without using the google "practices" to root, would publish their findings for the Nexus, so there might be a couple of ways to root the Desire right when it comes out.
thats just my 2 cents. (For what they were worth)

deprecate said:
-yes.
-no.
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But if the desire is rooted will it be possible for the custom/official roms ? are there custom "hardspl" who can be built like in windows mobile ? What are the requirements ?
(It scare the **** out of me to be stuck with an operator rom as you can see xD)

No S-OFF for retail devices

Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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I know , i have a S-ON MT4GS , im about to buy another 1 to find out if that one is S-ON or S-OFF
paulobrien said:
Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
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So there's no way of getting a custom ROM on S-ON right ?
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
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I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?

I would have hoped that after the Sensation Evo 3d thing we would have seen this one ship S-OFF. I guess it means this one waits until September? I don't think that this one was on the list I saw on the updated FB posting. Probably has the same protections/encryptions as the Sensation. I remember when the G2 got S-Off, a few phones came long for the ride. Perhaps that will happen with the independent effort for the Sensation and the 3d.

well good, thanks for saving me the upgrade(s) (i needed two).
I'll wait now and see if this gets s-off'd before i renew my contract in sprint.
I'll keep my G2

Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.

The thing is that HTC kind of borked over on their unlocking promise. The Sensation and Evo3D both shipped S-ON. We recently found that the HTC CHA-CHA shipped with S-OFF. I think all of the phones already in production before and during that statement are shipping S-ON.
I Haz 3D!

Can't say i'm surprised

How do we check if our unit is S-OFF or not? I don't know how to get to bootloader on this device. Been a while since I rooted a phone.
EDIT: Realized I had Fast Boot mode on. To disable it, go into: Settings > Power > Fast Boot. Once disabled, power down the phone. When powering it back up, hold the "Volume Down" key to get into Hboot to see if you have S-On or S-Off.

Stryder5 said:
I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?
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that promise was made well after the devlopment of this device began but there are s-off devices out there so i think the hacking/rooting community will have a way to get s-on to s-off soon enough.

nbetcher said:
Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.
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i still expect full retail devices sold by t-mobile to be s-on the difference isnt in what you pay for it, it's in the branding. those with s-off devices either have an htc branded double shot, or a pre-release demo mytouch 4g slide with t-mobile branding. either way, the phones sold by t-mobile, subsidized or otherwise are s-on.

So I just checked my phone and of course its S-ON.
My question is (sorry for noob question - this is my first android device) - along with tools to root, ROMs etc, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF? In other words, earlier S-ON devices were 'hacked' too, right?
If not, I will have to return the phone - the bloatware on this phone is just unbelievable.

Yes, I'm sure this will get rooted and/or get s-off shortly.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Yeah, just give it time I'm pretty sure this phone will get rooted very soon. This phone has a lot of power not be played with lol

eismcsquare said:
My question is, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF?
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Just think of S to mean security.. So S-ON and S-OFF are describing the state of the phones boot loader. If the boot loader is S-ON (security-on) then it is "locked" and any changes made to the system will be reset every time the phone is rebooted. If the boot loader is S-OFF (security-off) then it is "unlocked" and changes to the operating system will not be erased when the phone is rebooted.
The "way" you seek already exists on the Sensation 4g, which has about the same hardware as the mytouch 4g slide. This tool for unlocking the phone's boot loader is called "alpharev X". The tool is in beta stages, so it of course has not been released to the public. Although I'm almost certain it will work on the mytouch 4g, there is however, no guarantee that it will. Since the tool is not available to the public, more than likely HTC would not have been able to fix whatever exploit alpharev X uses to gain control over the boot loader. Alpharev X already works on multiple devices so there is no reason to think that it wouldn't work on the mytouch4g slide.
I certainly hope that it does because mine will be delivered tomorrow
Can't wait to play with it!!!
Oh yeah... And I want to return the Sensation 4g I Just bought.. I don't like it at all :/
Edit: revolutionary is the name of the tool and it has been released for the sensation 4g.. So it won't be long now before the mytouch 4g slide gets S-OFF.

Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.

blackknightavalon said:
Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.
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yeah, I almost waited too... but I was jonesing for a dual core phone. it looks like someone obtained temp root on one of the S-ON retail MT4G slides though, looks like we already have the ball rolling.

Temproot has already been achieved, and considering the sensation and the mt4gs's bootloaders are near identical, when Alpharev-revoked releases their S-OFF patch for the Sensation today, I'd imagine that the mt4gs will only be a week behind.

[Q] New 'Orange' Branded Phone - XTC Clip or Not?

Hi,
Convinced my wife to also get a Desire S and we are picking one up from Orange UK later today.
She will need root so that we can install an app to get the phone to connect to our car phone kit. I'm assuming that the phone will come with Android 2.3.3 and the associated HBOOT.
I'm guessing the options are to diable the OTA updates, S-Off with Alpharevx and use gingerbreak for root. I'm assuming the advantage is that this can all be reversed if there is a layer problem with the phone. The downside will be that we won't be able to update the phone until Alpharevx, etc, catches up with new phone software releases.
The alternative is to S-off via XTC-Clip (there is one nearby) which will ne permanent and allow pre-rooted updated RUU's to be more regularly installed.
Does anyone have any views on the best way forward.
As an aside, I'm guessing that installing an unbranded ROM does not affect any functionality of the phone on the Orange UK mobile network.
Many thanks,
Damian

Hello,
Assuming that you get a hboot version that can be s-off'd then I'd use revolutionary and follow the method that you described.
You're right about disabling ota updates do that immediately as if applied then they can seriously limit your options.
There is something called uma (I think that's right name?) which I believe enables you to use your wifi to make calls when mobile signal is weak, I believe that this can be used on orange but I don't know if your devices would come with it. If you're from UK you can now piggy back Tmobile so you have more chance of a decent signal.
If you get a later version of hboot, that can't be s-off'd then you still have several options open to you:
you could attempt to use the official htc unlock htcdev.com unlock routine, even though this devices still isn't listed as supported I've read that some users have successfully used this method to unlock their devices successfully. Although I can't provide any links so you'll have to either read around or post a further question in an attempt to get some info on how to do this method.
You could alternatively drop the revolutionary boys a line and ask them is they plan to update their software to later versions off this devices hboot To see If any etas are forthcoming , although developers tend not to like eta requests
Another option before considering xtc would simply be to wait HTC to add support for this device, it's supposed to be coming, but so is xmas, although you won't be unhappy with the device running stock, although I run a rooted custom and love it, my wife is still running stock as it's her first Android device and she's still loving it!
Although then there's always the xtc route and as an original xtc user I can recommend this route although as you're aware it's not reversible and you must consider the effect it well have on your warranty
Good luck with your choice, psst back any questions
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium

Thanks for the reply.
Picked the phone up on Saturday and it is Hboot 0.98.0002 and Radio 3805.06.02.03_M.
My wife seems happy with things, apart from the mobile data/signal does not seem as robust as with her old Nokia. I've told her that a radio update may improve this as it did with mine when I recently updated it.
Think will go down the Revolutionary route. I need to check but assume that you can just flash a new radio with the Revolutionary Hboot. I think for now she will be happy with 2.3.3 and we will see how things pan out with updates in the next few months.
Thanks again,
Damian

S-Off / Hboot 1.27

I sent my phone away to have the dust under the screen issue fixed. Got my phone returned today to find it has been updated to ICS/Sense 3.6. Now on hboot v1.27 which I am only now realising is causing some problems with regards to s-off/rooting etc.
Is Juopunutbears method involving the wire/sd card the ONLY method?
Are the people at revolutionary likely to develop a method for s-off AT ALL for v1.27? Is it worth waiting?
Anyone had any success getting s-off?
I know there has been a few posts/threads on this issue but just require a little more clarity, thanks.

yourpassenger said:
I sent my phone away to have the dust under the screen issue fixed. Got my phone returned today to find it has been updated to ICS/Sense 3.6. Now on hboot v1.27 which I am only now realising is causing some problems with regards to s-off/rooting etc.
Is Juopunutbears method involving the wire/sd card the ONLY method?
Are the people at revolutionary likely to develop a method for s-off AT ALL for v1.27? Is it worth waiting?
Anyone had any success getting s-off?
I know there has been a few posts/threads on this issue but just require a little more clarity, thanks.
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I almost want to guarantee you that another method isn't going to come about, not anytime soon anyways. I was really nervous about doing this with my replacement a few days ago but once I tried it, it was really a lot easier than I expected... It did take me like 20 tries BUT i'm just terrible at timing things. Lol. Anyway, I say give it a go. I did this as soon as I got my phone out of the t-mobile replacement packaging. Haha.

Did you backup your SD card?

I did not, but I would recommend to. I had to format my card (probably my mistake). It isn't hard, you just have to time it right and it might take a few tries.

[Q] Here's an interesting one...

Does the T-Mobile HTC One S always come S-Off or was I lucky on my trade today? I traded my mint Sony Xperia Play (AT&T) this morning for a HTC One S, also mint. I've traded, bought and sold to the guy before and I know he gets his devices new by special means and knows nothing about rooting, bootloaders or S-Off.
Anyways I got curious in snooping around the bootloader menu and to my surprise found it to be S-Off...
Was this luck or do all/most/many come this way?

...nobody knows??? Just curious...

Crossvxm said:
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)

tivofool said:
Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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Oh okay. I was surprised to find it S-Off when I got this thing. I couldn't believe my eyes. That will save me a load full of work, especially the part were some of the tools require a Linux OS instead of Windows. Now ofcourse Linux is a download and installation away, but my "temporary" (now permanent) laptop is so old it only packs 128mb of ram (max can ONLY reach 512mb) and any type of Linux installation just hangs and never installs no matter how many hours you leave it running.
Not to mention some of these devices require the "hotwire" trick, and every time i need something (such as a paper clip) it is nowhere to be found.

Crossvxm said:
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
tivofool said:
Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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all the devices come with s-on.

real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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Nah trust me his knowledge on rooting and so on is VERY LOW. It once took me nearly an hour to show him how to flash a rom on a device I sold him and in a day or two he already messed things up since the rom would wipe many key apps when given an old fashion factory reset. ANOTHER good hour wasted explaining to him the process over phone. If he were to buy these devices used already then sell them to me I would believe that perhaps that person did it instead of him. He gets them brand new in a store he works in, instead of commissions/bonuses for his many sales his boss lets him pick a free phone of his choice as long as its not 100% modern (e.g. a Nexus 5. wish I had that type of boss) in which he gets the opportunity to make more money off of that but remember, his boss doesn't have to pay cash, and he's basically stuck with selling it himself.
If he cant flash a simple rom, or even use a simple app to root a device, I doubt he will ever be able to S-Off an HTC. Also if he were younger (lol) I'd consider the possibility. I honestly believe that this thing may have mistakingly been left S-Off or something by the factory. Or maybe it served a purpose back at HTC.
Whatever the case, it was a big surprise to me.

real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636

tivofool said:
I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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Hey now that you mention it I think thats the race his bosses are. But whats a supercid? Never heard of that before?

Nah definitely not as lucky to have a supercid. I assume CID = Carrier Identification seeing mine is T-Mobile related.
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