[REVIEW] Naztech Extended Battery (2400mAh) - Fascinate Accessories

So I was told to make a review when I got this, cause people want reviews to see stuff and that ****. Now, onto the review.
Experience:
Arriving home one fateful afternoon, I noticed I had a package from Amazon. I opened up the box like a little fat kid in a candy store, and to my surprise, I didn't get half the item. Sent it back, got another one, all that fancy ****, and I opened it up. As initial impressions goes,
Smelt funny.
The back door is the same "rubber" material as on some of the Logitech mice, and the CR-48.
Battery had some weight to it.
The door cover is MUCH more ridgid than the stock one.
So I put it in and all that fun stuff, tried it out, and yeah. I ran the screen on for about 5 hours, from a 100% charged battery, and I dropped down to 75% in the end. I guess this is somewhat expected, considering the capacity of this battery is almost 2x the stock. Running superclean, standard kernel, the jist.
tl;dr
Pros:
Makes the phone feel more ridgid, stable, sturdy.
LONG battery life, as expected.
Nice grip to the phone.
Generally feels nice on the fingers; i.e they don't stick.
Raises the phone up a bit so the camera lense doesn't get scratched.
Cons:
Smells funky; probably the packaging.
Took me about 15 minutes to get it off. Snaps on so tight that it doesn't come back off easily.
My CR-48 material covering comes off easy, and this is the same material, so I'm worried its going to happen here as well.
This thing costs $24 as of now; if you have the money to spend I see no reason why not to get this, unless you have a limited supply of pocket space; then you're screwed.
Ask me in the channel for pictures, XDA won't let me throw em here.

I just took your advice. I hold you personally responsible if I don't like it. =P
Better battery + a less plastic-ey feel? I'm in.

is naztech a good brand? does the advertised mah match up to the actual?
thanks,

bobloblaw1 said:
I just took your advice. I hold you personally responsible if I don't like it. =P
Better battery + a less plastic-ey feel? I'm in.
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Its really great, I'm sure you'd like it.
hondakorn said:
is naztech a good brand? does the advertised mah match up to the actual?
thanks,
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Basing my information on my time with the battery, I'd say its a good brand. They sell other things too, got a website; they mostly do apparel for electronics. Also, yes, the advertised product is exactly as it is.

thx for responding, I think ill buy it tonight.

I should have the battery in today. I'll post up some impressions when I do get it.

Pic doesn't load..good review.

ataranine said:
Pic doesn't load..good review.
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Dropbox changed the link on me; I have to use the temporary gallery cache pictures, they don't end with an extension and XDA allows me to put them up. Just ask me in the irc if you want pictures.

Okay. So I have the casing and battery and have had it on for about the last last 24 hours so I will share what I think so far.
Casing: I am thoroughly impressed with the quality of the casing. Honestly, it feels quite similar to the "soft touch" casing that, is found on HTC phones. This is a major plus for me as I hated how plastic-ey the stock casing felt.
The casing is a bit thick though. Id say it close to doubles the thickness of the phone. This isn't as bad as it sounds though as the fascinate us a thin phone to begin with. Personally I don't mind the added thickness and it might even sit a bit better in my hand. My girlfriend however has small hands and dislikes the phone being bigger.
The short version: case feels great. The thickness may or may not bother you.
As for the battery, the life seems good but I'm going to give it a few days to calibrate before I give a final impression.
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I went through my first day with this battery and I have the exact same impressions as below. The added thickness bothered me at first but I think I'm already starting to get used to it after only one day of use.
I unplugged my phone at 830 this morning and it's now just past 1030 for an uptime of over 14 hours and I have 51% left. This is just amazing considering my phone usually dies after 6-8 hours of use.
Final impressions: the best $24 I ever spent on any phone accessory I ever purchased!
bobloblaw1 said:
Okay. So I have the casing and battery and have had it on for about the last last 24 hours so I will share what I think so far.
Casing: I am thoroughly impressed with the quality of the casing. Honestly, it feels quite similar to the "soft touch" casing that, is found on HTC phones. This is a major plus for me as I hated how plastic-ey the stock casing felt.
The casing is a bit thick though. Id say it close to doubles the thickness of the phone. This isn't as bad as it sounds though as the fascinate us a thin phone to begin with. Personally I don't mind the added thickness and it might even sit a bit better in my hand. My girlfriend however has small hands and dislikes the phone being bigger.
The short version: case feels great. The thickness may or may not bother you.
As for the battery, the life seems good but I'm going to give it a few days to calibrate before I give a final impression.
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Can anyone post a photo and from which retailer did you guys order it from?

I ordered. Cant best the price from ama...
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So is the added fatness worth it? I know I wouldn't be comfortable with a huge lump in my pocket.
If you're gonna have such a huge ass on your phone, why not go with http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Extended-Battery-Fascinate/dp/B004GHMS0S/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
or
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-EB145152YZ-Extended-EBC-985EBZ-Fascinate/dp/B00479QDU6/ref=pd_cp_cps_2

Now I just got mine do I need to charge or do anything special?
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Jmatch said:
Now I just got mine do I need to charge or do anything special?
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Just use it normally, condition it, etc.

I am going to look into getting a sweet battery, but not real familiar with them, what brands make batteries for these phones?

So this one can be charged using the phone? Or do you have to use an external charger?
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ataranine said:
So is the added fatness worth it? I know I wouldn't be comfortable with a huge lump in my pocket.
If you're gonna have such a huge ass on your phone, why not go with http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Extended-Battery-Fascinate/dp/B004GHMS0S/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
or
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-EB145152YZ-Extended-EBC-985EBZ-Fascinate/dp/B00479QDU6/ref=pd_cp_cps_2
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No lump, just thicker (about twice), from the pictures. Just what I have been looking for. For $24, I've got to try it. Still at Amazon, same price, in stock, they say.
Just ordered it. I am used to paying $70 at Seidio for other extended batteries.

Just got mine in. Really legit so far thanks for the review!
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lane32x said:
So this one can be charged using the phone? Or do you have to use an external charger?
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Charges in the phone. Added thickness isn't so bad.
EDIT: By far the worst thing so far has been prying the damn cover off. Almost ripped my fingernail off...
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I have a Seido 3300mAh battery + cover for sale

Let me know if anyones interested. I'd sell it for 20+ shipping to wherever
sceptor said:
Let me know if anyones interested. I'd sell it for 20+ shipping to wherever
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I'd say anything more than $8 shipped is robbery
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-3300mAh-Extended-Battery/dp/B004IK8EYM
What i paid and i doubt its much cheaper then that elsewhere so unless you want a crap battery i think its a really solid price
I have the same battery. The cover doesn't stay on. Like ever.
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agreed. great battery, bad back piece.
Xhyperion said:
I have the same battery. The cover doesn't stay on. Like ever.
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sceptor said:
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-3300mAh-Extended-Battery/dp/B004IK8EYM
What i paid and i doubt its much cheaper then that elsewhere so unless you want a crap battery i think its a really solid price
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Not trying to start anything but that is just as "crappy" as batteries you mention.
Seidio is known for their overpricing, you do NOT get $74 of battery when you buy that, not even $60. For ~$20 I'd just go for the OEM 1800mAh slim battery from the Epic Touch....just kidding I'd get two extendeds for $19 shipped *NEW*
I actually just took out my seido for the first time in a long time. I'm so tired of the back coming off. Plus everyone looks at my phone like it's a mutant with that back piece. Feels so much thinner
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Do you still have this for sale? I already have the mugen battery door but I want the seidio 3300 battery
sent you a pm
I just got finish putting up a thread about getting a extended battery. I'm looking for a protective case but haven't found it & i'm hesitant to buy a extended battery if I can't find a protective case.
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shakim24 said:
I just got finish putting up a thread about getting a extended battery. I'm looking for a protective case but haven't found it & i'm hesitant to buy a extended battery if I can't find a protective case.
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i would do it you dont really need a protective case just get a screen cover and a battery with a new back plate i like the 3500mah the back plate i got with it is perfect a little bigger but so worth it you can get the cheap on ebay just look for good feed back. Mine works like a champ and if any thing happens i just use my old battery and back plate.
sucks that the cover wont stay on. I need something to extend my battery.

CONTEST - FREE Trident Case

Hello Doubleshot Family!
I recently purchased the Mugen Power 3600mah battery with battery door. I am currently still breaking in this battery but I have been very impressed with longevity of the battery (I'm on my 3rd day of use on a charge cycle right now)I personally like the extra size as well and decided to use this as my daily driver in a slip case.
That being said, I have a Trident Case in Ballistic Green that will go mostly unused now on my shelf so I've decided to give it away free.
The first person with a shipping address inside the United States who is interested and replies to this post can have this barely used case. I will cover the cost of shipping but you HAVE to have an address inside the US.
Once it's confirmed that you are the first one to respond, go ahead and PM me with your address and I will get this out to you this week.
Good luck!!
Here's a link to the case:
http://www.amazon.com/Trident-AG-MT...XXG6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321294473&sr=8-3
I'm interested, I'll pm you my address. Thanks man!
micahman said:
I'm interested, I'll pm you my address. Thanks man!
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Congrats, it's yours.
If he decides not to get it, can I get it?
cwest31 said:
If he decides not to get it, can I get it?
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Sure..only if he decides not to.
CONTEST IS NOW CLOSED
aad4321 said:
Where is the official rules document?
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Here in the Doubleshot forum we make our own rules up as we go.
Darn, wish I saw this earlier. Very generous of you, though
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I may be willing to offer up my powermat charging system, bought the trident case so now the custom battery cover won't fit.
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Wow. You were all about the trident case, much like I am.
Is the hi-cap mugen battery really that good?
Jaytex24 said:
I may be willing to offer up my powermat charging system, bought the trident case so now the custom battery cover won't fit.
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I'll take it
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Blue6IX said:
Wow. You were all about the trident case, much like I am.
Is the hi-cap mugen battery really that good?
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Yeah, I liked the Trident case a lot but honestly, I'm not even done conditioning the Mugen battery yet and I'm getting two solid days of use and then some. (I can take the phone off the charger in morning of one day and can EASILY make it to the following night before going back on charge. I made it to a third night on this last charge before killing it but I was being a little more careful about my useage on the third day.
Plus, I really like the shape of the phone now. Typing feels more natural and so does holding it for calls. The Trident case kind of hindered typing on the top row a tiny bit and sliding it out wasn't as smooth as stock...not really a big deal though.
The only downside is no cases other than a slipcase but I used my G1 in a slipcase with extended battery for two years with no problems so I'm pretty used to it.
I'd look into the peel and stick armor suits, probably the best thing you can do as far as protection goes.
I'd figure that even if it doesn't cover the whole new back cover provided for the hi-cap battery, you should at least be able to cover the majority of it, where you would set it down and stuff to prevent scratches and some general wear. It'll definitely protect what's left of the original casing, on the screen half and anything else though.
Probably have to break-in your leather case first, though, or risk pulling it off going in and out of the case.

Power-skin charging case

The power skin website
www.power-skin.com. just announced that they have a charging case available for the skyrocket at all AT&T corporate locations. I can't wait! Everyone should find a friend that either works there or at USPS to get 40-50% off (I think it is $80 retail)
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Hmm idk its kinda too bulky. Only 1500 mah? Hmm I'm pretty happy with the battery life. Maybe for long trips ill give it a shot.
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It charges the battery all the way. I over this case. It is a little bulky but you can go case less until you need it.
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The stock battery in the skyrocket is 1850, this case is 1500... so no it wont charge your battery full...
I start charging at 15-20% so guess what... Full. No nerd war here please
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there's a review over here on the other side of the fence http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1331293
not very good, IMO, poor battery, and i can cause damage to your internal battery
Went to the AT&T store and plopped the $80 for it.
So far I give it a B-.
Case itself seems to charge fairly quickly, charges the phone almost as fast as a regular charger.
Really like the feel of it. I'm not much for rubber cases but this one has changed my outlook. I got my wife a Juice case for her iPhone 4 and the PowerSkin blows it away as far as feel and weight.
My only real complaint is that when its plugged into a computer it only charges. No USB debugging or Kies.
Other than that I'm satisfied so far.
I miss my pre's touchstone
gheck911 said:
Went to the AT&T store and plopped the $80 for it.
So far I give it a B-.
Case itself seems to charge fairly quickly, charges the phone almost as fast as a regular charger.
Really like the feel of it. I'm not much for rubber cases but this one has changed my outlook. I got my wife a Juice case for her iPhone 4 and the PowerSkin blows it away as far as feel and weight.
My only real complaint is that when its plugged into a computer it only charges. No USB debugging or Kies.
Other than that I'm satisfied so far.
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How does this feel in your pocket with the added thickness?
Anfeldt24 said:
How does this feel in your pocket with the added thickness?
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Pretty good, snags a bit on the pocket lining but that's better than flying out.
If you wear skinny jeans you're SOL. And you should have the phone taken away from you.
I wear dress slacks most of the time and there is plenty of room.
How easy is it to get the phone into and out of the case? I would need it out to fit it in my armband for running.
Izmir Stinger said:
How easy is it to get the phone into and out of the case? I would need it out to fit it in my armband for running.
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It is very easy. Not a problem at all.
Anyone able to find these? the corp stores in dallas do not have them
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They look pretty fugly, I could've done without the butts stickin out that much on the cases. Must function always clash with fashion!
FYI - They are on the ATT website for $35 and free shipping.
LOL.. figures i paid $80 for this case yesterday in a corp store now i need to go back and get my credit..
BTW.. i am not impressed.. my phone was doen to 20% and i attached the fully charged power-skin..it recharged phone to 70% in about an hour but then the new case was dead ..
Looks pretty neat...my only concern is, I am getting ready to buy Easytether, and I wonder if I am going to have to take it out of the case every time I want to tether?
I just ordered mine for $35. I tried to order it with my corporate premier account and they quoted me $80 online and at the store, though.
nova609 said:
Looks pretty neat...my only concern is, I am getting ready to buy Easytether, and I wonder if I am going to have to take it out of the case every time I want to tether?
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Yes you will te new USB will not pass thru with this case
projectdownset said:
I start charging at 15-20% so guess what... Full. No nerd war here please
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So it actually doesnt charge your batt to full if its at 20 percent. Only charges 80 percent. I thought a full charge was 100 percent. But maybe idk how to do math
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Dyconn X4 - Best Case !! ??

Has anybody got this bad boy?
http://www.dyconn.com/product/mobil...page=flypage.tpl&product_id=152&category_id=8
And a review by my main man Flossy!
It also has built in Wireless Charging and I'm sure you can use a ZeroLemon 3000mah standard battery to increase it from 5600mah to 6000mah!
Sweet! Just wish it had a back stand too lol
Aitch said:
Just wish it had a back stand too lol
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Add your own kickstand with a kickstand4u setup:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2087034
Aitch said:
Has anybody got this bad boy?
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Nice. I might consider it but I really don't have any battery life problems, guess I don't use it enough. Looks like it would support NFC as well given you use your stock battery in it, that would be a plus for me. Unfortunately that isn't stated anywhere I looked.
Anyway thanks for the info. Will strongly consider this if I should find myself in need of a longer life. Course carrying a second battery isn't that big a deal, I do for backup. Fits nicely in my jacket pocket that fit my old feature phone... Don't even notice it.
I would get it but it doesn't come in black.
Just a warning to anybody that gets this, it does not fit with a glass screen protector on (MIME Feather Glass to be exact). Other than that, it's a very nice case.
Firepac said:
I would get it but it doesn't come in black.
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Seriously, I hope they make it in black eventually.
I almost got one of these, But they don't have the case in black.
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I too want a black case to go with my black s4. I'm thinking about getting it anyway.
Just got it.
Seems to work great, no loss to sound quality and have already gotten use to the slightly heavier feel. All and all, I think it works great and have seen little if any depreciation of reception. :good:
hmm...this product looks really interesting...I really hate bulky extended batteries, but this case might be a great compromise.
how much ?
The big problem is 2.4 oz. (70.5g) and *Wireless charging works only with Qi Mode. Qi receiver is optional and sold separatelya a
looks cool..but I agree, I'd need to see it in black to consider it.
Black color - $10 and I'd buy it.
hmm cheapest I've found for this case is $29.00 at http://www.nomorerack.com/daily_deals/view/678723-dyconn_x4_power_3000mah_case_for_samsung_galaxy_s4
never shopped here before so i'm a little iffy
phistyle said:
hmm cheapest I've found for this case is $29.00 at http://www.nomorerack.com/daily_deals/view/678723-dyconn_x4_power_3000mah_case_for_samsung_galaxy_s4
never shopped here before so i'm a little iffy
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I just ordered from this link thanks. I used PayPal though just in case.
My order still said processing but I already received the case, nice buddy.
For any of you wanting this case, i have had it for about a month and it makes the worst creeking noises from the plastics. When your on the phone and you move the phone around the other person can hear it an cuts in and out.
just wanted to give a heads up
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My order still said processing but I already received the case, nice buddy.
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nice...they sent me a $10 coupon the other day and I used it making the case $21! Still waiting for them to ship it.
Definitely a good buy right there
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Just got the case today and loving it. Only a few annoyances so far... it does creak a little bit on the sides and the power button is kind of hard to press.

(Review) Zerolemon® Samsung Galaxy S5 8500 Mah Extended Battery + Rugged Case

Zerolemon® Samsung Galaxy S5 8500 Mah Extended Battery + Rugged Case
Alrighty folks i got my new Zerolemon 8500 Mah and rugged case i was impressed on the case design and battery, as you can see the in my pictures the battery is a bit more wider so therefore it will make the phone fell like a brick which i don't mind, and as far screen protector goes it's kind of on the cheap side for me. The case, that thing need a drop test for sure, to me it seems like it built to take a heavy hit or two lol. but after my first cycle i'll post my battery life.
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Zerolemon® Samsung Galaxy S5 8500 Mah Extended Battery + Rugged Case
Alrighty folks i got my new Zerolemon 8500 Mah and rugged case i was impressed on the case design and battery, as you can see the in my pictures the battery is a bit more wider so therefore it will make the phone fell like a brick which i don't mind, and as far screen protector goes it's kind of on the cheap side for me. The case, that thing need a drop test for sure, to me it seems like it built to take a heavy hit or two lol. but after my first cycle i'll post my battery life.
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I wish I saw this when I ordered my ZL Razor Armor case. While the battery life on this phone is already impressive, I'm very, VERY tempted to buy one of these myself.
...oh, screw it. I will.
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Zerolemon® Samsung Galaxy S5 8500 Mah Extended Battery + Rugged Case
Alrighty folks i got my new Zerolemon 8500 Mah and rugged case i was impressed on the case design and battery, as you can see the in my pictures the battery is a bit more wider so therefore it will make the phone fell like a brick which i don't mind, and as far screen protector goes it's kind of on the cheap side for me. The case, that thing need a drop test for sure, to me it seems like it built to take a heavy hit or two lol. but after my first cycle i'll post my battery life.
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Is it much bigger than the 7500 with the case on?
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Is it much bigger than the 7500 with the case on?
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its not that big at all, the case works well with both of them, i forgot to add the heart rate monitor is very easy to use with the new case
Can you please add a picture of the case, or is it the same as the rugged for the 7500 mAh battery?
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added more pics, will post more later on after the first cycle
Looks awesome. Question - do you HAVE to use the screen protector? I've never been a fan of those. Is it a separate piece you can put on if you want, or is it pretty much part of the case?
lawlhai said:
Looks awesome. Question - do you HAVE to use the screen protector? I've never been a fan of those. Is it a separate piece you can put on if you want, or is it pretty much part of the case?
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the screen protector on my phone was from extreme guard its the spartian glass one, the one that came with the battery felt really cheap to me it wasnt worth putting on my phone.
lawlhai said:
Looks awesome. Question - do you HAVE to use the screen protector? I've never been a fan of those. Is it a separate piece you can put on if you want, or is it pretty much part of the case?
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It's usually a cheap piece of glued-in plastic. I always remove it and any residual glue on the case itself.
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I post updates about battery. Just received it today. The case and phone itself its huuuggeee.
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Any update on the battery life mate?
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kalans said:
Any update on the battery life mate?
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not to bad for my update i was able to get 2 more hours of screen time after the 4% mark
Sounds pretty beefy, thanks!
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Wonder how the battery life is when you toggle Ultra power saving mode at certain times. I.E. while asleep, long drives, and periods where you know you wont be using the phone much at all. may increase the usage time by a decent bit. I get 2 days stock, when i toggle the Ultra power saving mode and i know im not going to use my phone much, i get 1 day with out using it so im happy right now but would love to have the ZL, if i keep my S5 long.
When arrived, I got 2 days 14 hrs with half battery. It was slow work day, so I didn't use the phone that much. Now it took about 8-9 hrs to fully charge it. So far, 15hrs with lots of transfer data from cellphone to car radio. with 67% left. I will post another update when I use it normal business cellphone.
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It's usually a cheap piece of glued-in plastic. I always remove it and any residual glue on the case itself.
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Hmm ok, so after you remove it, does it look OK? I mean, does it look like something is missing?
lawlhai said:
Hmm ok, so after you remove it, does it look OK? I mean, does it look like something is missing?
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I just got mine today. The screen protector is separate this time.
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Oh hey, look at this...
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Oh hey, look at this...
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What's the screen on time?
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What's the screen on time?
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Here's an update.

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