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Of course, let me first pay my respects to the devs and their much appriciated efforts.
I was just doing my daily browse of the dream and sapphire forums and a few things occured to me that i wanted to share in case they warranted some real consideration by others.
Cross-device-roms
It seems that more and more lately, ROMs posted in the Dream forum would be just as appropriate in the Sapphire forum because they work on both platforms. I don't expect the mods want to double-post, then track both, but it doesn't seem efficient, nor a great idea to leave it to the users to create the new topics and link over. To help differenciate those ROMs and make searching easier, perhaps the subject line could say something like [dream/sapphire]?
Google/HTC-base
Another issue I've come across as a result of NEEDING full exchange support and wanting good integration (iow, not using market apps to get it), I've come to realize that HTC ROMs provide this and AOSP/Google ROMs don't. Now that I get this, I'm surprised to find that ROM subject lines don't declare which type of base was used (perhaps it's assumed/implied), but seeing [Google-base] or [HTC-base] (or something like that) would be incredibly helpful for folks like me.
User-rating-of-builds
Lastly, instead of wading through pages of posts to find out what others think of any given ROM, I'd love to see some sort of rating system and polls would be a good way to do this, but then I consider the versioning/release complication involved and wonder if that would be a bad idea implemented so simply, or if the poll could be reset with each release. This way it would be easy at a glance to see how happy/pleased/satisfied the users of a ROM are.
I'm sure many people can think of why any of these suggestions might NOT be a good idea, but there's no point building up this thread airing those concerns. If you're a dev/modder and you agree, just do what you think is best. If you're a user and you agree, see the attached poll and use it. Ideally, this post will die if nobody agrees and if they do, change will happen.
If you vote and that's not enough to bump the thread, maybe you should post with something simple like 'voted' to keep it alive.
Take care all.
rainabba said:
Of course, let me first pay my respects to the devs and their much appriciated efforts.
I was just doing my daily browse of the dream and sapphire forums and a few things occured to me that i wanted to share in case they warranted some real consideration by others.
Cross-device-roms
It seems that more and more lately, ROMs posted in the Dream forum would be just as appropriate in the Sapphire forum because they work on both platforms. I don't expect the mods want to double-post, then track both, but it doesn't seem efficient, nor a great idea to leave it to the users to create the new topics and link over. To help differenciate those ROMs and make searching easier, perhaps the subject line could say something like [dream/sapphire]?
Google/HTC-base
Another issue I've come across as a result of NEEDING full exchange support and wanting good integration (iow, not using market apps to get it), I've come to realize that HTC ROMs provide this and AOSP/Google ROMs don't. Now that I get this, I'm surprised to find that ROM subject lines don't declare which type of base was used (perhaps it's assumed/implied), but seeing [Google-base] or [HTC-base] (or something like that) would be incredibly helpful for folks like me.
User-rating-of-builds
Lastly, instead of wading through pages of posts to find out what others think of any given ROM, I'd love to see some sort of rating system and polls would be a good way to do this, but then I consider the versioning/release complication involved and wonder if that would be a bad idea implemented so simply, or if the poll could be reset with each release. This way it would be easy at a glance to see how happy/pleased/satisfied the users of a ROM are.
I'm sure many people can think of why any of these suggestions might NOT be a good idea, but there's no point building up this thread airing those concerns. If you're a dev/modder and you agree, just do what you think is best. If you're a user and you agree, see the attached poll and use it. Ideally, this post will die if nobody agrees and if they do, change will happen.
If you vote and that's not enough to bump the thread, maybe you should post with something simple like 'voted' to keep it alive.
Take care all.
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very good idea voted.
I get the sense that a lot of the folks here like to rely on making people REEEEALLY hit the forums and read stuff (read: patience test) as a means of throttling just how quickly a new person comes into the forums and then proceeds to attempt device customization, and for better or worse, I get that---and for the most part, agree. Maybe I'm even just seeing things, but even so. *shrug*
I've been VERY hesitant to go doing stuff to my phone with all the "REED MOAR" warnings out there, since it's my lifeline phone; we haven't had a land line for several years now. But even for me, there's still plenty of stuff I just don't know, and I don't know that I want to sift through every single post on the forums just to find a little broader knowledge base, especially with the forums having the overload issues I've been seeing lately.
I like to be an informed buyer. I HATE impulse buying something because "this guy I know said it was cool". I want to know the EXACT nature of what I'm getting before I go for it---even if it's being provided to me for free (which XDA has in spades, which is SPECTACULAR. I LOVE that you guys pour your time into that for everyone else).
But I always get the feeling that I've missed most of the conversation when people throw around some of the acronyms still; like everyone just sorta already knows what it all means, and I'm the only one on the outside. XD ((Note: I'd like to call attention to bdemartino's [GUIDE] Newbie's Step-by-Step: From Stock USCC Mesmerize -> Custom Rom/Kernel as a specific exception to this rule; he answered a few of the questions I was going to post in this thread in his EC10 guide))
So here's where I'm going with this.
Could we set up, specifically in the Samsung Mesmerize general forum (and maybe the other forums as well, though that's a tall order, I see there are TONS of phone models supported at XDA!), a more advanced glossary? Like, if you don't know what a ROM or Flashing is, or Froyo vs. Eclair, you definitely *do* need more reading before jumping in (so they say), but I'm talking more specifics.
TL;DR: I'd love to see a stickied glossary thread I can come to that's updated regularly enough to keep up with the new terms, ROMs, etc. that come out, so the new(er) people, or those who aren't hanging out in the IRC channel (if that's where all this explaining is going on, LOL) can come to find out just what's out there for them to try.
Some specific terms I don't know, or formerly didn't know but managed to discover with some digging, that would make a great starter to the Glossary:
Pick-n-Pack
CWM Recovery
No-Clock
Puzzle Lock
5-lock
AOSP
Superclean
Please note I'm not after just a response that just list-answers what all of those are (though that would definitely be appreciated); as I say, I already know maybe half of them. I'm after a few sentences, a couple paragraphs, that define the specific nature of those terms so someone just coming into the Android thing like me can go to one place and read them over. Nothing with instructions, just definitions, lists of what's included if it's a ROM, etc.
Is that something we could do? Is it a bad idea in that it arms the over-anxious, not-yet-prepared new Android user with a dangerous level of information?
I think is is a great idea as a newbee myself I had and still have to dig through post after post all the time to try and figure out how to do things. It should be relatively easy to set up one thread that can be a go to for all of us.
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Agree that would be helpful
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I concur and would be willing to write up a starter if someone would be willing to update and maintain it as I'm short on time these days
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Im constantly digging through posts myself especially when it comes to modding that ive never done before and its always a bummer cause its takes me 2 hours to find exactly what I was looking for only for it to be a 5 minute post that explains it all. +1
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I'm seeing in other threads that people are wanting this there too. So.....
I think I'm gonna take on my own request, especially if I've got the backing of Bdemartino. I mean I've learned a good amount of terms so far, but I know I've got a LOT to learn. Still, one consolidated post would be great---and then people could just reply to the thread with requests or suggestions for stuff to be added to the first post.
Bdem, I'll get with you over PM in a moment here, and either over PM or IRC or something, whichever we work out, we can out our heads together sometime this week and I can collect what all you have, and on the slim chance I have something else I want to add myself (Laughable!) I'll do so. XD
ChromWolf said:
I'm seeing in other threads that people are wanting this there too. So.....
I think I'm gonna take on my own request, especially if I've got the backing of Bdemartino. I mean I've learned a good amount of terms so far, but I know I've got a LOT to learn. Still, one consolidated post would be great---and then people could just reply to the thread with requests or suggestions for stuff to be added to the first post.
Bdem, I'll get with you over PM in a moment here, and either over PM or IRC or something, whichever we work out, we can out our heads together sometime this week and I can collect what all you have, and on the slim chance I have something else I want to add myself (Laughable!) I'll do so. XD
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Sounds great , It'll be very beneficial to the community!
I agree that would be a great tool to have. I spent many a sleepless night when I got my mesmerize, searching for roms, mods, kernels...would have been easier had I known what they actually were beforehand
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I'm going to post to you what I thought was a major discovery for me at the time when I found all these terms confusing myself and got a bit of clarity. The terms I just learnt this past week:
Odin
Deodexed
AOSP
TwLauncher
blue/red/orange recovery
.tar
nandroid
BLN
Hopefully you can get some clarity from other members as to what exactly these terms are as I know kind of what they are, I can't really place them with words as well as other members could.
I will try to contribute as much to this thread as I can because this is exactly what I needed when I first came here but i didn't have the time to research it all.
Wow... some great feedback, and already some pledges of help! Maybe I'd better start the actual thread... XD
I've already got a prelim post in the works. @alaindesjardins, DEFINITELY post definitions of the terms you've listed below. I plan to basically merge any and all points of information about a term together. Anyone who contributes will get credited, and it just makes for that much stronger and more accurate of a glossary. There are actually one or two terms in your list I don't actually know yet!
......In thinking about it, here's my plan: I'll collect what alaindesjardins and bdemartino get me, mix my own stuff in, and merge it all together to form the original Glossary post, and mark it as under construction till I get it all cleaned up and polished. Once it's more or less "complete" at that point, I'll pull the under construction notice, and just let terms get added to it as we go. Official glossary post once I've gotten the contributions I'm after.
Thanks guys!
So I’ve been seeing posts and threads floating around asking about Dev Support on the SkyRocket. There are two thoughts floating around. The first being that the SkyRocket will not have Dev support like Nexus or any other phone and we may as well give up on Dev Support, the second being that there is Dev Support and people actively working on the device. I tend to agree with the second thought so I wanted to post this up for everyone to think about.
First off we have to remember that Devs are not here to serve us. Most all Devs, regardless of device, do this as a hobby and like to share with others their hard work. Secondly, everyone should contribute SOMETHING to the community. Whether it’s advice on how to do something with our device, or links to good articles, links to deals on accessories or whatever, or if you have experience in development or gfxs or if you like to spread the word on social media. Whatever you want to do, just be a contributor to the community and the forum, I think if we all contribute more and take less, Dev support will grow and so will our community.
I also think it's awesome when people get excited about a ROM or Theme, that excitement gives the Devs postive feedback that helps them get excited. Basically what I am saying is positive feedback is just as important as the complaints and problem feedback. Probably more important, no one wants to be burden with problems constantly. An encouraging word can go a LONG way!
It’s just as important to be PROACTIVE in looking for answers to any questions you may have before you ask in the forums. It’s cool to ask a question but you should always be sure it wasn’t already answered. And be patient until someone can answer your question don’t start demanding answers if your post has only been up for a few hours, give people time to read it and digest it. Again this is just good community etiquette.
I am always available to PM if anyone ever has a question for me, I got no problem trying to help people and I enjoy seeing people figure things out. I do wallpapers, icons, docks and themes for our phones and I am a recognized Theme Dev on RootzWiki. I’m going to do my best to make the SkyRocket forums one of the greatest forums on xda. I’m not saying that to be prideful or boastful because I think we ALL need to do our best to make these forums the best they can be. We can’t just expect Devs to take the load, we got to ALL be proactive if we want good product.
All this being said, I think we have a great community started here. Looking forward to the future with all of you!
Alex
Mortem Tuam said:
So I’ve been seeing posts and threads floating around asking about Dev Support on the SkyRocket. There are two thoughts floating around. The first being that the SkyRocket will not have Dev support like Nexus or any other phone and we may as well give up on Dev Support, the second being that there is Dev Support and people actively working on the device. I tend to agree with the second thought so I wanted to post this up for everyone to think about.
First off we have to remember that Devs are not here to serve us. Most all Devs, regardless of device, do this as a hobby and like to share with others their hard work. Secondly, everyone should contribute SOMETHING to the community. Whether it’s advice on how to do something with our device, or links to good articles, links to deals on accessories or whatever, or if you have experience in development or gfxs or if you like to spread the word on social media. Whatever you want to do, just be a contributor to the community and the forum, I think if we all contribute more and take less, Dev support will grow and so will our community.
I also think it's awesome when people get excited about a ROM or Theme, that excitement gives the Devs postive feedback that helps them get excited. Basically what I am saying is positive feedback is just as important as the complaints and problem feedback. Probably more important, no one wants to be burden with problems constantly. An encouraging word can go a LONG way!
It’s just as important to be PROACTIVE in looking for answers to any questions you may have before you ask in the forums. It’s cool to ask a question but you should always be sure it wasn’t already answered. And be patient until someone can answer your question don’t start demanding answers if your post has only been up for a few hours, give people time to read it and digest it. Again this is just good community etiquette.
I am always available to PM if anyone ever has a question for me, I got no problem trying to help people and I enjoy seeing people figure things out. I do wallpapers, icons, docks and themes for our phones and I am a recognized Theme Dev on RootzWiki. I’m going to do my best to make the SkyRocket forums one of the greatest forums on xda. I’m not saying that to be prideful or boastful because I think we ALL need to do our best to make these forums the best they can be. We can’t just expect Devs to take the load, we got to ALL be proactive if we want good product.
All this being said, I think we have a great community started here. Looking forward to the future with all of you!
Alex
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Yes YES YES!!!!!!!
this is the Truth<<<<
thanks for this post Mortem
Very well put sir. Thank you
We also have to remember that some of these devs, myself included, have families.
Families should always come first and everyone should understand that, if someone doesn't understand that then that is seriously messed up.
This is one of the reasons I am taking a break from themes, family. I get so obsessed with the theme that my family suffers, my kids don't see me for days. It's just not right. And that is something I have to work on, and that is what I am trying to do. I need to learn to tell peeps here.....yo, I need to take a break I got family that needs me.....and if they understand cool, if not, tough luck.
Wallpapers are not so intensive, I can bang a wall out in no time.....but themes, that's a whole new beast and it is intensive.
At any rate, I am excited to see what our Devs can put out and excited to keep making wallpapers for all you guys that appreciate them.
Oh one more thing. You can never hit the THANKS button too many times. It really is a moral booster to see people appreciate your work. No one here is making money from donations, and hitting the Thanks button is free.
Amen brother.. thanks to all who help this forum rock... after the holidays i might start helping out theme wise. Icons etc.. but too busy til then . And its my busy season at work. Graphics...
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Support your devs!!!! Speaking of which, I need to hit our current devs up with a donation each. All this time spent looking to lure new development onboard worries me that the current work is going on unappreciated
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I would like to publicly offer my skills to any developer that is currently working on SkyRocket ROMs.
Although at the moment I cannot work on full on themes I can certainly help you in the area of gfxs if need be, depending on what you need of course.
Please let me know if I can assist in anyway, and if it's in my ability I will certainly help.
and feel free to add me to Google Plus if you are there, send me a message and I will add you to my SkyRocket circle.
http://gplus.to/MortemTuam
Thanks
Alex
i have seen some excellent roms like resurrection remix paranoid pacman are not getting that much of development ,they are excellent roms i there by request developers to continue these projects if original developers are not getting tym (i would do it myself if i could) i am not asking for eta nor questioning their ability it is just that i "think" these good roms should get thier required amount of development .its a humble request for all developers of nexus 5 to support thesee roms because nexus 5 doesnt face any stability issues so it shouldnt b a difficult task (thats what i think i dont know if its easy or difficult ) again it is a request for all developers any my personal views on those roms so no offence
If the developers what to update them, they will. If they don't, they won't.
A lot of devs support many devices also. So patience is required.
Devs do this for fun, it's not a requirement that they do any updates, or even share their work.
As you hinted, if you can't wait, learn how to build them yourself. ?
You say this is a humble request but it's anything but humble. There is no requirement for any level of support nor should there be. The devs are giving their own time and resources.
Support from developers is not guaranteed on XDA, it is a hobby for most and there is no requirement for anyone to share their work.
This could be an opportune moment for someone else to step up and start to learn something for themselves and then help the community out.
As such, threads like this are not required and tend to start arguments and spread ill will, so...
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Basically I want to learn how to port AOSP from the beginning, I know a few languages and I have flashed custom roms but now I want to learn to develop them, to be able to contribute and also not depend so much on the work of others. I thought I would read the official documentation of source.andoid.com, it seemed quite complete. Well the question is reluctant with this last.
It seems a good starting point? Is it unrealistic to want to start developing custom roms? It's possible?
Your comment means a lot to me!
Regards, |3eer.