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Hi
I've got an unlocked t-mobile universal and my contracts coming to an end, so i am looking to see whats available for mobile broadband and its all a bit confusing.
The big issue has to be whats allowed by the operators, T-mobile seems to block IM and skype
Three looks interesting The pay as you go options look reasonable, but for pay monthly people seem to have issues with them.
The others i know nothing about.
so who is best for mobile broadband?
The next issue usb dongle or using the phone as a modem.
on my universal connection seemed very slow about dial up speed really (t-mobile)
I think the universal doesnt support high speeds so perhaps the dongle is best.
I don't know is if a sim bought for a usb dongle will work in a mobile such as a htc-universal
also if other sims would work in the dongle. for example a local pay and go sim whilst out of the uk.
Mobile broadband seems a minefield especially if your going to sign a contract so any advice personal experience would be good to hear.
thank you
john
I have a Three PAYG Modem that I got about three months ago for £20. I also have my Nokia N95 on a Three contract. I use the USB Modem (ZTE Model) rarely. Normally I just use the PAYG Sim in my Vario III. If I need to use my laptop I just fire up WMWifiRouter and it works perfectly. If I can't get a single I also have a T-Mobile PAYG sim that I keep at a really low Value (Less than £4). T-Mobile should only cap the cost at a maximum of £1 a day.
The USB Dongles are almost always locked to the issuing network. Some of them can be unlocked but not all of them. I know the Soap block looking ones from three can be unlocked.
Hi i have mobile wifi router installed on my phone (came with duttys rom) and i was wondering if using it my network could tell and charge me extra?
I have an unlimited data plan but i know I could pay an extra £10 and then my phone could be used as a mobile boradband device, does this mean that if i try to use the mobile wifi router program that my carrier would be able to tell and block it or charge me extra?
Also is there a way to share the phone connection with a pc without using wifi and without having to buy the networks extra mobile boradband package because I will almost never use it but its good to know i have the option if i go on holiday or whatever, maybe i want to prows the web in the garden soemthing like that
no wifi works even if you don't have a sim card in the phone
just like pda's with wifi and no phone
just like your laptop connecting with wifi to the router
just like your desktop connecting with wifi or cable to the router
no its not that, mobile wifi router converts your phone into a router so your laptop/whatever can connect to it and use its data connection to connect to the internet, I was just wondering if doing this the network can tell and then charge me extra as they usually charge for using your phone as an internet access point
the connection from the phone to the laptop or computer is free anything wifi
the cost to go onto internet will however depend on your satat rates, just to be sure id ask your operator
Hi thanks for trying to help, but thats not what I was asking. I know wifi connections are free what I was asking is if my operator will be able to tell the difference between my phone using its data connection and my laptop using my phones data connection.
The reason I ask is that I have unlimited data for my phone.
but
you can pay extra money to upgrade your account to allow your phone to be used as a mobile broadband dongle
but if they can't tell the difference between phone using its data and pc using its data then there is no need to pay the extra money.
is this the case or am i missing something
Depending on your operator, there could be a max of MB's. So it might be 500 MB/month, but also unlimited internet. With that, you are able to use it without any extra costs.
Is it possible to somewhat put up a wifi network on your phone via some program (WiFi Router is one I think) and connect to it and use it ON your phone?
aaah teething
as far as I know they should not be able to detect it
but I could be mistaken
If the usage is large 500MB/month, carrier might suspect unusual activity. teething is paid service with some carriers.
I have a G1 tethered on T-mobile USA. I have talked to customer service. They said they do not support tethering but that it is not illegal. Their solution is to allow a soft cap of 10gb of data service with their unlimited plan and once you reach the cap they throttle the internet speed down from 3g to 2g levels. Not to horrible. I play all my online games with my G1 connection, Counter Strike Source, Perfect World International, Flyff, and download quite a bit of music and usually only reach about 300mb a day which gives me a full month of service before i reach that cap. And at the start of the new month I get reset.
I´m in the same situation.
I´ve got an unlimited data plan, which covers phone/PDA use, but EXCLUDES using the device as a modem for a PC/Laptop (tethering).
I´ve tethered it ocasionally, and it worked.
My carrier didnt charge me extra, nor blocked. BUT i know the risk exists. I´ve tried to research.
What i read is that carrier COULD tell if you are tethering by traffic analysis (one way is looking the user agent of your web pages request, which identifies yor browser), but that this traffic analysys is not practical, and most carriers dont do it....by now.
So of you tether ocasionally, you are safe.....today, ....until carriers perceive there is a number significant enough to make profits,of people tethering under a data plan intented just for phone use, then they can start charging you.
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I have a G1 tethered on T-mobile USA. I have talked to customer service. They said they do not support tethering but that it is not illegal. Their solution is to allow a soft cap of 10gb of data service with their unlimited plan and once you reach the cap they throttle the internet speed down from 3g to 2g levels. Not to horrible. I play all my online games with my G1 connection, Counter Strike Source, Perfect World International, Flyff, and download quite a bit of music and usually only reach about 300mb a day which gives me a full month of service before i reach that cap. And at the start of the new month I get reset.
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ha nice, well im gonna give it a go anyway and see what happens, its just funny that they specifically advertise to upgrade your account to be able to do this as if they can somehow tell. I dunno what mobile boradband is like in the us but in the uk there advertising it all over the place as if its someting people really need instead of something that is ocasionally useful, apart from in your case its mad how much you do through your phone.
sirgawain123 said:
I´m in the same situation.
I´ve got an unlimited data plan, which covers phone/PDA use, but EXCLUDES using the device as a modem for a PC/Laptop (tethering).
I´ve tethered it ocasionally, and it worked.
My carrier didnt charge me extra, nor blocked. BUT i know the risk exists. I´ve tried to research.
What i read is that carrier COULD tell if you are tethering by traffic analysis (one way is looking the user agent of your web pages request, which identifies yor browser), but that this traffic analysys is not practical, and most carriers dont do it....by now.
So of you tether ocasionally, you are safe.....today, ....until carriers perceive there is a number significant enough to make profits,of people tethering under a data plan intented just for phone use, then they can start charging you.
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thanks for this, if the only thing they can do to check is by the web requests of your browser surely there is a way to pretend to be opera mobile for example which should receive the full web anyway. Anyway as you say I won;t be using it much if at all so if i do fancy it i think ill just take the risk and see what happens worse they can do is charge me a little extra and i may even be able to avoid that by pleeding ignorance
ArtieQ said:
Is it possible to somewhat put up a wifi network on your phone via some program (WiFi Router is one I think) and connect to it and use it ON your phone?
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I don't quite understand this question, you could use the program i mentioned to make your phone into a wifi access point and use its data connection to the internet then anything you like could then connect to it e.g. another phone, psp, ps3 laptop .....
is that what you ment?
I have a rooted X and use wireless tether for wifi. I am traveling to South Africa next month and was wondering if it would still work over there. My first thought was that it would not because there would be no verizon signal (data) available there but funny enough my wireless tether still worked when i put my phone on airplane mode so i am confused. Does wireless tether not use verizon "signal" to supply the wifi? Does anyone know for sure if it will work overseas? Thanks
I'm not sure i understand, but wifi (like bluetooth) is local if you have two devices connected over wifi in the USA, it will work anywhere else in the world?
The action of tethering allows for example a laptop to use the internet connection of your mobile. The wifi itself does not supply internet access it merely connects the two devices.
Your mobile's radio has internet access through GRPS/3G...etc. and this access to provided for the laptop through wifi.
btw wrong section, this is "Android Software and Hacking General", use Questions & Answers next time. It will yield better results, faster.
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I'm not sure i understand, but wifi (like bluetooth) is local if you have two devices connected over wifi in the USA, it will work anywhere else in the world?
The action of tethering allows for example a laptop to use the internet connection of your mobile. The wifi itself does not supply internet access it merely connects the two devices.
Your mobile's radio has internet access through GRPS/3G...etc. and this access to provided for the laptop through wifi.
btw wrong section, this is "Android Software and Hacking General", use Questions & Answers next time. It will yield better results, faster.
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Thank you, i think you answered my question. maybe i just didnt word it correctly. You say that the wireless tether app allowes my computer or ipad to run of my mobile internet so if i go outside the US were there is no 3G mobile signal, there is obviously no mobile internet to "beem" out to my ipad. Do i have that right? i was just confused way my phone, through wireless tether was still able to supply and internet connection to my ipad when it was in airplane mode.
I will also post my questions in the right section next time. Thanks for the heads up
Yes you have that right. But not only the US has 3G signal, south africa depending on the region probably has mobile internet too, but i would buy a sim card from their carrier in southafrica, because data roaming costs a fortune.
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Yes you have that right. But not only the US has 3G signal, south africa depending on the region probably has mobile internet too, but i would buy a sim card from their carrier in southafrica, because data roaming costs a fortune.
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Sounds like the thing to do but as far as i know the droid x is not a international phone like the droid 2 global and would probably not be able to take a sim card
It probably takes the simcard, but might need a different modem/radio to work down there.
Not sure if this correct forum to post this and did a quick search, but didn't see anything that correlated. I'm a otr truck driver and 75% of the time I'm on edge network. Currently I have data roam turned off. Was wondering if anybody had a solution to "trick " network into thinking I was in a 3G area. I have unlimited data plan and my thinking was, if tethering was free with rooted dev.how come I have to pay extra to data roam when I'm not on atnt's signal?
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there is no way to "trick" a cell tower to broadcast farther.
Roostercruiser said:
Not sure if this correct forum to post this and did a quick search, but didn't see anything that correlated. I'm a otr truck driver and 75% of the time I'm on edge network. Currently I have data roam turned off. Was wondering if anybody had a solution to "trick " network into thinking I was in a 3G area. I have unlimited data plan and my thinking was, if tethering was free with rooted dev.how come I have to pay extra to data roam when I'm not on atnt's signal?
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Not exactly sure what you're trying to do here, but let me take a stab at it:
There is very little reason while within the continental united states to have "data roaming" turned off. So yes, technically, on an AT&T phone, you can "roam" to other data networks, but so long as you're not using excessive amounts of data, and not spending long periods of time only on the roaming network, it won't be a problem. All AT&T plans are "nationwide access" so except for one teensy tiny condition that I'll explain in a second, there's no need to manually restrict your phone. Basically let your phone "roam" to whatever networks it wants, be but warned, if there is any AT&T tower in sight, your phone will take that over any other GSM network, even if it's only an EDGE connection. Only way to get around that is to lock your phone to WCDMA (3G), but that may have undesirable effects if you're travelling over long distances where cell coverage is poor.
So here's the exception, if you are both:
- Spending multiple consecutive days on an AT&T partner "roaming" network
- Using large amounts of data (like from tethering, which you shouldn't be doing anyway w/o a tethering plan)
Then you will get in trouble. AT&T will call you first, and tell you to stop. If you don't stop, then they will terminate your contract. No ETF or other fees will be charged, but you probably won't be able to get another plan with AT&T under the same name again. The reason is that AT&T has to pay lots of money to those roaming partners to let you (the customer) use their networks. Due to FCC regs, spectrum allocations, anti-trust, etc... AT&T can only offer service in certain areas, and not in others, hence why they have to partner with other cell networks. But apparently, those agreements really r*pe AT&T up the butt, which is why they'll let it go for a while, but if you start costing them too much money, they'll just drop you as a customer.
This happened to me once in Arizona, in an area only covered by T-Mobile. I was tethering through my 3G phone at the time (an HTC Kaiser/Tilt actually) and used something like 500 MB over a week. This was back in the old days of unlimited plans, and before AT&T could enforce tethering/non-tethering plans. I got a phone call from a special department within AT&T, and they politely said, "turn the data functions of your phone off immediately, or your contract will be terminated". Apparently, through roaming agreements, they had paid out (or were contractually obliged to eventually pay out) something like $300-$400 to T-Mobile over the course of a week, and we're none too pleased about it. I stopped, and it was all good.
Long story short, don't abuse the roaming agreements, and you won't have a problem.
The reason tether can be free is because it SHOULD be free. You are using an inbuilt feature of the phone to route internet requests.... its a simple feature which has been available on dumb phones since year 1995. It was not mainstream until recently and ATT realized they could simply disable it and charge. Its free in Europe because that's how it should be...
Tethering just sends internet requests to your device and your device returns the results of the request to your computer. Its very shadey of ATT to charge for it. Any internet enabled device has the inbuilt capability to route data from one device to another... even the simplest dumb phone.
Shammyh said:
Not exactly sure what you're trying to do here, but let me take a stab at it:
There is very little reason while within the continental united states to have "data roaming" turned off. So yes, technically, on an AT&T phone, you can "roam" to other data networks, but so long as you're not using excessive amounts of data, and not spending long periods of time only on the roaming network, it won't be a problem. All AT&T plans are "nationwide access" so except for one teensy tiny condition that I'll explain in a second, there's no need to manually restrict your phone. Basically let your phone "roam" to whatever networks it wants, be but warned, if there is any AT&T tower in sight, your phone will take that over any other GSM network, even if it's only an EDGE connection. Only way to get around that is to lock your phone to WCDMA (3G), but that may have undesirable effects if you're travelling over long distances where cell coverage is poor.
So here's the exception, if you are both:
- Spending multiple consecutive days on an AT&T partner "roaming" network
- Using large amounts of data (like from tethering, which you shouldn't be doing anyway w/o a tethering plan)
Then you will get in trouble. AT&T will call you first, and tell you to stop. If you don't stop, then they will terminate your contract. No ETF or other fees will be charged, but you probably won't be able to get another plan with AT&T under the same name again. The reason is that AT&T has to pay lots of money to those roaming partners to let you (the customer) use their networks. Due to FCC regs, spectrum allocations, anti-trust, etc... AT&T can only offer service in certain areas, and not in others, hence why they have to partner with other cell networks. But apparently, those agreements really r*pe AT&T up the butt, which is why they'll let it go for a while, but if you start costing them too much money, they'll just drop you as a customer.
This happened to me once in Arizona, in an area only covered by T-Mobile. I was tethering through my 3G phone at the time (an HTC Kaiser/Tilt actually) and used something like 500 MB over a week. This was back in the old days of unlimited plans, and before AT&T could enforce tethering/non-tethering plans. I got a phone call from a special department within AT&T, and they politely said, "turn the data functions of your phone off immediately, or your contract will be terminated". Apparently, through roaming agreements, they had paid out (or were contractually obliged to eventually pay out) something like $300-$400 to T-Mobile over the course of a week, and we're none too pleased about it. I stopped, and it was all good.
Long story short, don't abuse the roaming agreements, and you won't have a problem.
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Moral of the story: If you don't want to pay an ETF find a remote area of Arizona.
AdamOutler said:
The reason tether can be free is because it SHOULD be free. You are using an inbuilt feature of the phone to route internet requests.... its a simple feature which has been available on dumb phones since year 1995. It was not mainstream until recently and ATT realized they could simply disable it and charge. Its free in Europe because that's how it should be...
Tethering just sends internet requests to your device and your device returns the results of the request to your computer. Its very shadey of ATT to charge for it. Any internet enabled device has the inbuilt capability to route data from one device to another... even the simplest dumb phone.
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Totally agree. I'm just explaining the way it works, not the way it *should* work.
In fact, I figure that as long as I don't go over my 2 GB/month allocation, I can tether as much as I want, and I do.
Shammyh said:
Not exactly sure what you're trying to do here, but let me take a stab at it:
There is very little reason while within the continental united states to have "data roaming" turned off... and it was all good.
Long story short, don't abuse the roaming agreements, and you won't have a problem.
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Pardon me for redacting, but I wished to get to the heart of the matter.
A four-year member with 204 posts. I applaud both your insight and restraint, sir.
The point was, you can't access network features because they are on your network. You can access phone features because they are on your phone. Roaming is roaming no matter what. Its tracked by the network by your SIM. Change the SIM and you change your service type. Im not sure if its legal to mess with that.
Is it possible to purchase a 'data sim'? Whereby you could access a regional data network on an unlocked phone? i.e. I'm in Nowhereland but they locally sell me a pay as you go data sim to use in my unlocked phone for data, but not network telephone service.
A Unicorn? Or real?
Shammyh said:
Totally agree. I'm just explaining the way it works, not the way it *should* work.
In fact, I figure that as long as I don't go over my 2 GB/month allocation, I can tether as much as I want, and I do.
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The OP's question boils down to this...
if tethering was free with rooted dev.how come I have to pay extra to data roam when I'm not on atnt's signal?
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The simple answer is because tethering is a device function and AT&T's shadey business practices make you pay to use your own device. Roaming is a network function and there's nothing that can be done about it except
1. update towers
2. change modems (sometimes yeilds better results on different AT&T towers, but wont' change roming)
3. change carriers
4. modify your SIM card to be more compatible with your current network.
AdamOutler said:
4. modify your SIM card to be more compatible with your current network.
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So how does one modify one's SIM card to be more compatible with one's current network?
clemmie said:
So how does one modify one's SIM card to be more compatible with one's current network?
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You wouldn't... you would change the identifiers so it thought you were another customer..... illegally.
I'm not sure exactly, but I may have an answer soon. I'm looking at methods of communicating with the call processor in order to device bricked phones. It might be the best way to inject code into the ram. . Ill get back to you on that.
AdamOutler said:
The reason tether can be free is because it SHOULD be free. You are using an inbuilt feature of the phone to route internet requests.... its a simple feature which has been available on dumb phones since year 1995. It was not mainstream until recently and ATT realized they could simply disable it and charge. Its free in Europe because that's how it should be...
Tethering just sends internet requests to your device and your device returns the results of the request to your computer. Its very shadey of ATT to charge for it. Any internet enabled device has the inbuilt capability to route data from one device to another... even the simplest dumb phone.
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Uncle does it on dumb kyocera and Samsung phones on metro pcs all day long
clemmie said:
Is it possible to purchase a 'data sim'? Whereby you could access a regional data network on an unlocked phone? i.e. I'm in Nowhereland but they locally sell me a pay as you go data sim to use in my unlocked phone for data, but not network telephone service.
A Unicorn? Or real?
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Yes, but it's not straightforward, and not exactly kosher.
You'll have to get/calculate/steal/borrow a "data connect" IMEI. Basically you need the IMEI off of a built in data card, or a purchased data card, (like one of these).
You may also need to go to an AT&T store and buy a new SIM card (usually $35 one time fee) because usually if you re-use your existing cell SIM card, they won't allow you to sign up. So with your new SIM card in hand, and an IMEI of any data connect device, you go and sign up for one of these data plans. Rates for Domestic DataConnect Pass Plans are:
DataConnect Day Pass - 100 MB for $15
DataConnect Week Pass - 300 MB for $30
DataConnect Month Pass - 1 GB for $50
Assuming no terrible problems, you should now have a "data only" AT&T SIM card. Problem is, they'll see pretty quickly that you're not using the SIM card with the device IMEI you signed up with. That may or may not cause problems. Hasn't for me in the past, but I make no guarantees.
AdamOutler said:
You wouldn't... you would change the identifiers so it thought you were another customer..... illegally.
I'm not sure exactly, but I may have an answer soon. I'm looking at methods of communicating with the call processor in order to device bricked phones. It might be the best way to inject code into the ram. . Ill get back to you on that.
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Doubt that's possible, not the injecting into the CP, but rather the changing what the phone "identifies" as. Injecting into the CP opens up all sorts of cool possibilities, but I believe actual network identification and communication is reliant upon the SIM card. In particular the Authentication Key (Ki) which I believe never leaves the internal memory of the smart card (aka SIM). Without messing with that, there's no way a phone could "pretend" to be anyone other than itself. Even when I fake out my IMEI on my Captivate (by deleting the EFS data and using the "default IMEI"), my phone still happily connects and works with AT&T. Basically, the cell network doesn't really care as long as your ICCID and crypto package are valid.
PS, been following your work closely w/ regard to the un-bricking business. Best of luck figuring out an "external" way of getting us booted w/ a corrupted PBL/SBL.
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Doubt that's possible, not the injecting into the CP, but rather the changing what the phone "identifies" as. Injecting into the CP opens up all sorts of cool possibilities, but I believe actual network identification and communication is reliant upon the SIM card. In particular the Authentication Key (Ki) which I believe never leaves the internal memory of the smart card (aka SIM). Without messing with that, there's no way a phone could "pretend" to be anyone other than itself. Even when I fake out my IMEI on my Captivate (by deleting the EFS data and using the "default IMEI"), my phone still happily connects and works with AT&T. Basically, the cell network doesn't really care as long as your ICCID and crypto package are valid.
PS, been following your work closely w/ regard to the un-bricking business. Best of luck figuring out an "external" way of getting us booted w/ a corrupted PBL/SBL.
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Thanks...
Like I said, I've not done any investigation into the modification of the SIM card, but I know it DOES have a programming pin on it. I'm thinking that may be for programming the SIM card.
I just received a cool communication toy in the mail. It's a Bus Pirate. so this weekend may be fun and turn up something.
MikeyMike01 said:
Moral of the story: If you don't want to pay an ETF find a remote area of Arizona.
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Or anywhere where AT&T coverage is through a partner network. Brand new iPhone 4? Go find a nice spot somewhere, use lots of data, wait for AT&T to call, and get out of your contract scott free.
Nifty trick, eh? Just don't expect to get AT&T service again...
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Thanks...
Like I said, I've not done any investigation into the modification of the SIM card, but I know it DOES have a programming pin on it. I'm thinking that may be for programming the SIM card.
I just received a cool communication toy in the mail. It's a Bus Pirate. so this weekend may be fun and turn up something.
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Sounds fun...
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but can one buy a Verizon USB stick and then have cell data service on the tablet?
HowardZ said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but can one buy a Verizon USB stick and then have cell data service on the tablet?
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It is not a stupid question. But... If you have a VZW LTE device and you have the share everything plan, you do not need the device since you will save a lot of money if you simply tether using wifi share under you share plan (which does not cost more). If you do not have a share everything plan, you can still save a lot of money of you download fox-fi for free and use it with your unlimited plan (Notice: this violates the VZW contract) or pay $15 a month for the right to tether. Either way, you save money by not having to purchase a USB device and paying the monthly line fee.
Hope this helps.
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It is not a stupid question. But... If you have a VZW LTE device and you have the share everything plan, you do not need the device since you will save a lot of money if you simply tether using wifi share under you share plan (which does not cost more). If you do not have a share everything plan, you can still save a lot of money of you download fox-fi for free and use it with your unlimited plan (Notice: this violates the VZW contract) or pay $15 a month for the right to tether. Either way, you save money by not having to purchase a USB device and paying the monthly line fee.
Hope this helps.
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That is a good alternative, but it includes paying for a cell phone or Teather device, its contract with Verizon, and keeping it charged.
I think the TF700 has a USB port. But does the Verizon stick require Windows? Will it even work on android?
perhaps nobody has been trying to do this.
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Howard
HowardZ said:
That is a good alternative, but it includes paying for a cell phone or Teather device, its contract with Verizon, and keeping it charged.
I think the TF700 has a USB port. But does the Verizon stick require Windows? Will it even work on android?
perhaps nobody has been trying to do this.
thanks,
Howard
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It does have a USB port, but I do not think 1) it can power the modem, 2) it supports the drivers of the USB modem, and 3) there is an app that talks to the modem. Short answer is, highly unlikely that it will work.
perlmane said:
It does have a USB port, but I do not think 1) it can power the modem, 2) it supports the drivers of the USB modem, and 3) there is an app that talks to the modem. Short answer is, highly unlikely that it will work.
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That is disappointing, because a tablet with cellular data service, plus Bluetooth, plus Skype or Google voice could be a do everything device. it would also be cell company independent if one can always switch USB stick to another cell phone company.
Perhaps a windows 7 tablet is what is needed for this scenario? I'd prefer Android.
Regards,
Howard
HowardZ said:
That is disappointing, because a tablet with cellular data service, plus Bluetooth, plus Skype or Google voice could be a do everything device. it would also be cell company independent if one can always switch USB stick to another cell phone company.
Perhaps a windows 7 tablet is what is needed for this scenario? I'd prefer Android.
Regards,
Howard
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I completely agree with you. That is why I think that the Surface (WIntel 8) devices will be very successful.
HowardZ said:
That is disappointing, because a tablet with cellular data service, plus Bluetooth, plus Skype or Google voice could be a do everything device. it would also be cell company independent if one can always switch USB stick to another cell phone company.
Perhaps a windows 7 tablet is what is needed for this scenario? I'd prefer Android.
Regards,
Howard
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If you want it all in one, have you thought about getting a 4G version later this year?
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I have a feeling that most people that have a Transformer, also have some sort of cell phone. I think that most people just prefer to tether if needed, which is probably why this is not something that is available (yet, at least)...
I could be wrong, but I woulnd't think there wouldn't be much demand for this type of setup...
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jtrosky said:
I have a feeling that most people that have a Transformer, also have some sort of cell phone. I think that most people just prefer to tether if needed, which is probably why this is not something that is available (yet, at least)...
I could be wrong, but I woulnd't think there wouldn't be much demand for this type of setup...
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While you may be right, the battery of the device providing the tethering does suffer from battery drain, so an internal 4G LTE modem would be nice to have, but it appears that you are right about the popularity of such a feature. I believe I read that the XOOM WIFI outsold the XOOM that came out first with VZW due to the lower price. I had the VZW XOOM, but to be honest, I usually used it on Wifi, hardly ever using the built in 3G/LTE, I understand why people would want to have a USB modem so that they could use any Cellular carrier regardless of the device they want to buy.
Archos tablets have an optional USB stick for 3G GSM cellular connectivity.
However it is for european use only.
http://www.archos.com/store/g9_3g_stick.html?country=gb&lang=en
So, this exists for some tablets in some countries.
jtrosky said:
I have a feeling that most people that have a Transformer, also have some sort of cell phone. I think that most people just prefer to tether if needed, which is probably why this is not something that is available (yet, at least)...
I could be wrong, but I woulnd't think there wouldn't be much demand for this type of setup...
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I want it for the CPU. I dont care for the Tegra 3.
Dump the USB stick and get the Verizon 4G LTE Mifi device, it allows the connection up to 5 mobile devices and doesn't have the quirks and limitations that a USB air card have which primarily drivers and connection limitation.
I used one for my Prime in the past, I haven't tried it on my new Infinity yet, but I'm 100% certain it will work as all the Mifi does is create a 4G LTE hotspot that any wifi enabled device with WPA2 support can connect to.
the_game_master said:
Dump the USB stick and get the Verizon 4G LTE Mifi device, it allows the connection up to 5 mobile devices and doesn't have the quirks and limitations that a USB air card have which primarily drivers and connection limitation.
I used one for my Prime in the past, I haven't tried it on my new Infinity yet, but I'm 100% certain it will work as all the Mifi does is create a 4G LTE hotspot that any wifi enabled device with WPA2 support can connect to.
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I agree with this approach -- if you really want connectivity away from a wifi source I see this as far better way to go -- you can carry the VZW Jetpack in your pocket and it's good for a number of hours, usually long enough to bridge between wifi connections -- it also can be powered by AC if near a power outlet. The down side, of course, is the need to have an additional data plan.
brucewilsonpa said:
I agree with this approach -- if you really want connectivity away from a wifi source I see this as far better way to go -- you can carry the VZW Jetpack in your pocket and it's good for a number of hours, usually long enough to bridge between wifi connections -- it also can be powered by AC if near a power outlet. The down side, of course, is the need to have an additional data plan.
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Actually, there is no additional data plan required if you have the share plan. And whatever the cost, it would be the same for the USB as the MiFi, but the MiFi can drive more than one device at the same time.
Are you really concerned with the possibility of changing carriers? If so, what is the area in which this would be used in? Verizon uses CDMA for their 4G and though CDMA is a better technology, it is only available in North America (thus, less carriers and use space). If you have any plans of using this setup outside the US, you'd be much better off with GSM which is now coming into the 4G level but can be used world-wide. I have a ZTE MF60 which I used in Europe to get 3G mobile data on everything - 2 laptops, 2 tablets and a phone. The mobile wifi hotspots definately are worth the annoyance of carrying around an extra device. Haven't tried it yet, but one could possibly use the keyboard dock USB to charge the hotspot and provide access to other devices. So, you basically have 2 choices ahead of you: Technology type (based off of region of access) and How you want to use it (plug into only one device or a hotspot for everything).
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Are you really concerned with the possibility of changing carriers? If so, what is the area in which this would be used in? Verizon uses CDMA for their 4G and though CDMA is a better technology, it is only available in North America (thus, less carriers and use space). If you have any plans of using this setup outside the US, you'd be much better off with GSM which is now coming into the 4G level but can be used world-wide. I have a ZTE MF60 which I used in Europe to get 3G mobile data on everything - 2 laptops, 2 tablets and a phone. The mobile wifi hotspots definately are worth the annoyance of carrying around an extra device. Haven't tried it yet, but one could possibly use the keyboard dock USB to charge the hotspot and provide access to other devices. So, you basically have 2 choices ahead of you: Technology type (based off of region of access) and How you want to use it (plug into only one device or a hotspot for everything).
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If I'm not mistaken, Verizons 4G technology is actually not based on CDMA. Verizon 4G phones inherently have GSM capabilities (if the kernel and ROM support it) because it essentially uses a GSM antenna. They also have CDMA radios as well, to support Verizons 3G network.
Correct me if I am wrong.
omahacrazymike said:
If I'm not mistaken, Verizons 4G technology is actually not based on CDMA. Verizon 4G phones inherently have GSM capabilities (if the kernel and ROM support it) because it essentially uses a GSM antenna. They also have CDMA radios as well, to support Verizons 3G network.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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The only thing that might pose an issue is that the LTE frequencies that VZW uses are not the same world-wide, so while the GSM side should work, LTE speeds might be difficult to achieve outside the US.
omahacrazymike said:
If I'm not mistaken, Verizons 4G technology is actually not based on CDMA. Verizon 4G phones inherently have GSM capabilities (if the kernel and ROM support it) because it essentially uses a GSM antenna. They also have CDMA radios as well, to support Verizons 3G network.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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perlmane said:
The only thing that might pose an issue is that the LTE frequencies that VZW uses are not the same world-wide, so while the GSM side should work, LTE speeds might be difficult to achieve outside the US.
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Seems I stand corrected. The 4G LTE is based off GSM, so at least that would work in GSM areas (though perhaps not at 4G speeds). Phone communication still uses CDMA unless its a dual phone that can use GSM or CDMA. GSM functionality is not natively inherent to Verizon's phone nor CDMA. If you want to test it here in the states, move from Verizon to AT&T or T-mobile. If it works that way then it will work in a GSM environment.
Why Verizon 4G LTE smartphones are a bad choice for world travelers
Actually, the Razr with ICS provides global roaming, but so do their 4G jetpacs.
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Actually, the Razr with ICS provides global roaming, but so do their 4G jetpacs.
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Well, now that's cool about the RAZR... might have to read up on that 'un.
But what I meant is that one needs to find a specific functionality that allows for such roaming. Buying Verizon does not automatically get GSM nor does having CDMA automatically work worldwide. One needs to find a device where it is specifically mentioned, such as that RAZR you indicated.