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there been much disscusion at other forums, started 1st april, check out, http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menuid=plans_webnwalk
its either combined with a new tarrif or available as a £7.50 to an exsisting tarrif.
suddenly my wizard becomes more useable with such a bargin price!
GREAT!!
Thanks for that man, i just called T-Mobile up and asked them about it and yes its true! for only £7.50 i can go online all day on gprs/umts for no extra charge! i've just cancelled my dumb gprs allowance i used to have (£5 for 6MB) It works on any Flext or relax price plan so anyone who is thinking of it....go for it!!
Standard charge for T-Mobile is: 1MB=£7.50........... ouch now thats bad!
don't even think of going online without the web n walk upgrade!
I've got it too, only just got my Wizard and was excited about having Wi-Fi access to the net, but this pretty much makes Wi'Fi redundant for me!
great, and even better is ,
if you get the new contract with them now, not even you got 25% off for traiff, and also the unlimited GPRS..
so, you only pay for 5.63 pounds for unlimited GPRS..
What if I bought a contract with the 25% off thena dded the GPRS? Willth ey give me it at 25% off do ya reckon?
I only bought my Vario from T-Mobile a couple of weeks ago, and now they introduce this! I want my 25% off GPRS
Hopefully other operators will start to follow suit.
I'd pay £10 a month for GPRS/3G access on O2...
just to add around the 19th april there adding a faster pro version £9.99 per month 2 gb limit, can be used on laptops, 3g etc
Are there multiple speeds of GPRS?
fil said:
just to add around the 19th april there adding a faster pro version £9.99 per month 2 gb limit, can be used on laptops, 3g etc
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Eh? I thought it was unlimited?
yep says unlimited , subject to fair useage, which i belive is 40mbs? but theres so many different storys numbers???
may be a bit like my ntl 2gb download limit, when i had it, used to go well well over that, nothing happened?
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Are there multiple speeds of GPRS?
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some one correct me if im wrong,
but 2g is up to 56kbps
then there 2.5g which a normal 2g phone can handle , thats 384kbps
and then 3g thats 2Gbps
It's quite simple...
For £7.99 (Web'n'Walk) you get unlimited data, but with a fair use policy that prohibits services such as VOIP, filesharing and streaming. It also does not permit you to use your phone as a modem for your PC/laptop. I *believe* that UMTS on this service is capped at 128Kbps.
For £9.99 (Web'n'Walk Pro) you get data limited to 2Gb/month, but with no limitations on how you use that data (i.e. you're allowed streaming, VOIP, filesharing, and permittted to connect your phone to your laptop/PC). I *believe* the speed cap is lifted, allowing full 384kbps UMTS service.
Just revising this... I now believe that regular Web'n'Walk offers speeds up to 384kbps, while Web'n'Walk PRO will potentially offer access to the UMTS-HSDPA standard which T-Mobile are planning to roll out across their network, with potential speeds up to 1.8Mbps (which fits nicely with their "upto 5x faster" statement).
how do they know if I'm streaming radio off the net?
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how do they know if I'm streaming radio off the net?
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TCP/UDP ports, MCAST, protocol filtering?
There are so many ways to block unwanted traffic...
Hal.
I signed up to a 12 month contract with 02 UK just two days ago. ****ty 4M for £5 is rediculus but XDA Exec for £150 is a good offer. Any ideas if O2 plans on competing with this at all?
wifi through AP allowed too in UK?
Hi there,
In the Netherlands TMO claims you can use Web'nWalk for their wifi AP's too. No use on my magician , but is it allowed in the UK too? & with that you'll never be far from a proper internet connection .
M
Btw I'm not exactly a fair user, always >40MB & in january I topped >420MB & never heard anything
changing tarifs
For anyone already with Tmobile but withot the webnwalk tarif - email customer services (free) via the tmobile website and they will switch it for you.
I realised I was paying too much and asked for some info. A really nice lady emailed me all the avaiable tarifs and I changed to a flext tarif webnwalk.
I have gained 20 minutes talk time and unlimitedish GPRS and cut my bill in the process.
I hope other operators do NOT copy T-Mobile..... this is just a marketing scam as far as I am concerned. Don't get me wrong, the price is amazing, but there is a BIG but:
Not only are you limited to the 2GB Usage (which is actually not all that bad), you can not use VoIP (to get free UK phone calls: www.sipdiscount.com using SJphone), you can not even use MSN Messenger, Yahoo, Gtalk, or AIM!!! (no Agile Messenger)!!! OMG
'Use of Voice over Internet Protocol and Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile. If use of either or both of these services is detected T-Mobile may terminate all contracts with the customer and disconnect any SIM cards and/or web ‘n’ walk cards from the T-Mobile network.'
There are plans to lift the IM limitation at the end of the year. We want all ports unblocked!!!
By the way, your DSL or Cable connection is now obsolete due to T-Mobile's innovation: 20Mb Wireless!! Awesome. Can't wait
cya
Hi all,
Been browsing the web for a couple of days now in the minefield that is mobile data tariffs.
I guess many people on here use the data facilities on their phones and was wondering what the recommended ones were in the UK?
I don't want mega minutes or texts, but lots of data !
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
Don
Get a Three mobile broadband PAYG dongle and us the SIM from there. That's how I do it and it works perfectly.
Dual sim?
Thanks Carphead - I'm already 1 step towards that as I have one of those dongle things - you don't get rumbled by using it in a phone then? Don't see why it should make any difference anyway.
Do you just carry two sims around or have you dual simmed the phone?
Thanks again!
Don
As it's a PAYG Sim is the most I ever leave as credit is £5 then I top up to £15 on the day I need to. If 3 ever get nasty about it or rumble it then I've only lost £5. I have a Tytn II / Vario III and I have WMWifiRouter installed on it. So I never carry the dongle if I need to access the internet via a laptop I start WMWifiRouter and away it goes.
I don't make many phone calls or send texts using the Tytn II at the moment because my main phone is on another contract. But when that contract runs out then I'll be using it as my main phone. I've used it a couple of times when the battery has died or reception has been bad.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/internet/wifi.jsp
The question is...is there a way to get it without having an iphone?
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http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/internet/wifi.jsp
The question is...is there a way to get it without having an iphone?
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When you visit a hotspot it will has for your phone number which my guess is to verify if you have the iphone plan on your line.
I have DSL from AT&T for my home computer internet. I use the "pro" version of DSL which gives me the Free WIFI access for my laptop and/or cell phone when I'm mobile. I have my cellular service with Verizon Wireless for my XV6800 and can use wifi on that phone free at any AT&T sponsored WIFI hotspot including many MickeyDee's or Startucks, Barnes & Noble, etc., etc. I can use my laptop with WIFI there as well, independently of each other.
Justin
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I have DSL from AT&T for my home computer internet. I use the "pro" version of DSL which gives me the Free WIFI access for my laptop and/or cell phone when I'm mobile. I have my cellular service with Verizon Wireless for my XV6800 and can use wifi on that phone free at any AT&T sponsored WIFI hotspot including many MickeyDee's or Startucks, Barnes & Noble, etc., etc. I can use my laptop with WIFI there as well, independently of each other.
Justin
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I too have the fastest DSL from AT&T and I too get free wifi from AT&T hotspots. I have an iPhone 3G and also a Diamond (waiting for the Touch Pro "AT&T Fuze" to purchase) and I use free wifi even from before the release to iPhone users.
The iPhone and BlackBerry have created a class of know-it-alls who can prove their point about anything, be it geography, history or cooties, thanks to their mobile Internet connections. But the rest of us had refuge: Sometimes, they were out of range of a quick cell network.
how does ATT know that some people have iphones? I've never told them what kind of phone I have.
What if my friend gives me his iphone, how does ATT know that I have one?
I think the IMEI would rat you out or maybe even the contract you own.
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how does ATT know that some people have iphones? I've never told them what kind of phone I have.
What if my friend gives me his iphone, how does ATT know that I have one?
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Just double checking to see if this was possible on non-iphones...
its possible to change your imei but it is illegal to do so most places, AND if you ever got caught with it you would probably look REALLY suspicious, as in a terrorist
I live in Canada but Rogers has a unlimited web-browsing plan for $7 and ppl have forums on the internet talking about spoofing your phone to look/communicate like another phone (the iphone in this case).
I'll try finding the link.
I just got my Nexus One unsubsidised about a week ago. Although it can apply for other phones I guess, but I'm interested what your thoughts are to the UK residents on here at xda. I don't plan on signing a new 12+ month contract because I want to save it in case some newer phone comes along.
My contract on my T-Mobile Vario 3 (kaiser) ran out over half a year ago and have since changed to a 30 day SIM only plan (Solo 20 on T-Mob). I was thinking of changing to O2 as since it's the UK provider that actually supports EDGE nationally. Well Orange I think supports it too but it's not on a national scale I dont' think. I travel fairly often on the motorway as well as on trains so I figured having EDGE available while I go through some countryside would be nice.
All 4 providers offer 600 mins for £20 a month, but Orange doesn't include internet at all, Voda only 500MB, while O2 and T-Mob offer unlimited (with FUP of course). Going lower than £20 a month none of them offer internet as part of the package, which is the main reason I am on the T-Mob £20 pm package.
My typical usage hovers around 300 mins a month, I rarely text, and I mostly use my phone for surfing (news, mail, occasional social sites). Now here is the dilema. Last week T-Mobile just overhauled their SIM only monthly plans. All their plans now allow a choice of flexible boosters, which includes unlimited internet as 1 of them. The boosters are available to even their £10 100 mins plan as well! I am more interested in their £15 plan with 300 mins and choosing the internet booster.
So the question is, do I stick with T-Mobile and change to their £15 plan, goto O2 for £20 with EDGE support, or maybe even goto Vodafone because they are using gnomes to speed their internet speed that I am not aware of?
Why havent you mentioned 3? They have the best 3g or hsdpa coverage in the country and also offer unlimited data.
Only trouble is their customer service call centre is in India and they arent very helpfull.
Thats a good point. I have totally forgotten about 3 for some reason. The £15 package from 3 looks interesting. But as I understand that 3 only uses UTMS (3g) frequencies and does not support GSM (2g) frequencies? Which is the reason they always say that 2g only phones are never supported.
I am using a Shift on O2, 30 day contract sim only which is 14.99 per month + £7.50 for unlimited data. This works well though HSDPA cells are not as frequent as I'd like them (on the North Kent Coast).
My Touch Pro 2 is on T-Mobile payg. Plenty of HSDPA cells wherever I go and as long as I topup 10/month data is unlimited for the following month. This setup works quite well for me.
3 have 2g roaming with orange. If you can't pick up a 3g signal, then it connects to oranges 2g towers. The sim cards will only work in a phone if it has 3g, but it doesn't need to use 3g, (just costs them more if you dont).
im with o2 on a 30 day rolling contract, its great.
for £20 u get 600 mins 1200 texts (600 double texts and 600 single texts) + i have added the unlimited data bolt-on as my free bolt-on.
go with o2 my friend, i have never had a problem with them
Do you have EDGE working on the O2? As it's one of the main reasons for me considering O2 as I don't like to be stuck on GPRS while around the countryside without a 3G signal.
Well I've finally nailed it down to either O2 or 3. 3 for their biggest 3G coverage or O2 for EDGE (if it's confirmed working that is).
Use O2 on pay as go Text & Web pretty much always HSDPA or 3G coverage when go out in the sticks it flips between GPRS & EDGE.
I moved to T-Mobile when purchased Touch Pro but soon went back to O2 as constant connection problems when surfing and problems with signal dropping out.
3 meant to be good coverage but @ home had to go outside house just to get signal.
Orange are good for signal but absolute bismal on data usage p/m.
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Do you have EDGE working on the O2? As it's one of the main reasons for me considering O2 as I don't like to be stuck on GPRS while around the countryside without a 3G signal.
Well I've finally nailed it down to either O2 or 3. 3 for their biggest 3G coverage or O2 for EDGE (if it's confirmed working that is).
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EDGE works fine, im rarely in a 3g area so i have to use EDGE and GPRS a lot. both work fine.
OK, went over to my mates this afternoon to borrow his O2 sim, he's currently on the £20 30 day so I had a play with that on my Nexus one. EDGE works great on the N1. My brother has a spare 3 Pay & Go card lying around that he dug out just now. Testing on it now. If you turn off 3G it roams on the Orange network in 2G mode which connects with EDGE as well!
Now I'm even more at a loss. O2 is £20 pm with 600 mins, but its over-minutes charges are 20p a min(same for land, and all mobile networks). 3 has £15 for 300 mins, but it's over-minutes to other mobiles are 40p a min, wtf? But 3 does have unlimited skype calls which my girlfriend might like since she calls back to China a lot. My average useage hovers around 300 mins, but I do go over it a bit sometimes. Do I control my phone useage a little bit for better 3G coverage and free Skype calls? Or go with O2 for a little more flexibility in minutes?
Argh! Which to choose, which to choose...
After sleeping over it, I have finally decided to go for O2. I don't like that 3 is too expense for over-minutes call charges, and the fact it has to roam with Orange for 2G. Although free Skype calls is very attractive, my current skype habits doesn't really involve me using it outside of my home anyways.
Thanks for everyone's help and comments.
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After sleeping over it, I have finally decided to go for O2. I don't like that 3 is too expense for over-minutes call charges, and the fact it has to roam with Orange for 2G. Although free Skype calls is very attractive, my current skype habits doesn't really involve me using it outside of my home anyways.
Thanks for everyone's help and comments.
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I think that's a good choice, I'm on O2, SIM Only for £20 and I get:
700 mins
1400 texts (MMS is 1:4)
My Choice of Bolt On (currently Web but has been Blackberry sometimes)
ITS included
[I got their January offer which upped the online tariff from 600 mins and 1200 texts]
I moved to O2 because I travel quite a bit and in addition to ITS you get:
Text messages to the UK taken from bundle at the rate of 1:4
MMS messages to the UK taken from bundle at the rate of 1:4
You can buy a data bundle currently 10MB/£20 and 50MB/£50 - better than £7.50 per MB that I had to pay with T-Mobile.
Best of all, if you don't like it you can give notice and move.
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I am using a Shift on O2, 30 day contract sim only which is 14.99 per month + £7.50 for unlimited data. This works well though HSDPA cells are not as frequent as I'd like them (on the North Kent Coast).
My Touch Pro 2 is on T-Mobile payg. Plenty of HSDPA cells wherever I go and as long as I topup 10/month data is unlimited for the following month. This setup works quite well for me.
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Wouldn't you be better off moving to their £20 per month tariff?
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Wouldn't you be better off moving to their £20 per month tariff?
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Only valid reason for his choice would be that he's using a different inclusive Bolt-On, like unlimited O2 to O2 calls, or maybe unlimited weekend calls? Having just checked, things like unlimited internet can be paid extras whereas things like unlimited O2 to O2 you can only take up with your inclusive Bolt-On.
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Only valid reason for his choice would be that he's using a different inclusive Bolt-On, like unlimited O2 to O2 calls, or maybe unlimited weekend calls? Having just checked, things like unlimited internet can be paid extras whereas things like unlimited O2 to O2 you can only take up with your inclusive Bolt-On.
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Ahh, yes. Good point.
Thanks
Well, just to keep this thread alive, yesteday Vodafone just updated some of their 30 day plans. One interesting plan is a £25 pm plan that comes with 1GB internet and WiFi with BT Openzone.
With 4 of the major providers updating their plans since January, it'll interesting what Orange will come up with if they do update their packages.
Ah, the wonders of 30 day contracts.
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Well, just to keep this thread alive, yesteday Vodafone just updated some of their 30 day plans. One interesting plan is a £25 pm plan that comes with 1GB internet and WiFi with BT Openzone.
With 4 of the major providers updating their plans since January, it'll interesting what Orange will come up with if they do update their packages.
Ah, the wonders of 30 day contracts.
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That 1GB plan looks like an iPhone plan. I asked them about their contract plans with 1GB data, etc last month and they said that you could only get them with an iPhone but since these are SIM Only it should be possible to use them with any phone (unless Vodafone try and restrict the device somehow).
Makaijin said:
After sleeping over it, I have finally decided to go for O2. I don't like that 3 is too expense for over-minutes call charges, and the fact it has to roam with Orange for 2G. Although free Skype calls is very attractive, my current skype habits doesn't really involve me using it outside of my home anyways.
Thanks for everyone's help and comments.
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You do realise that all "Free Skype Calls" means is that they allow you to use the internet freely to make skype to skype calls using their app?
You'll get the same on o2 seeing as how you're getting an internet bolt on, all you need to do is get a Skype app.
Actually no. The 3 version of the skype app actually dials out a number and doesn't connect via 3G internet nor via wifi if it's available. It reroutes the voice data using a voice connection within the 3 network. The IM portion of skype still uses the 3G data network though. According to my brother, using skype voice via 3 is a really good experience. You don't get drop-outs at all, unlike when you are in a car travelling and it switches cells and/or the connection switches between HSDPA and EDGE etc. Plus all other 4 major carriers have ToC's explicitly restricting VoIP use, although none of them actively block out VoIP apps atm.
I want to use a single internet 4g/3g account without having to carry a portable router (like sprint overdrive or clear's mobile router.. its another device 2 carry and battery that will drain).
There are several posts on the internet about how you can and can not clone a sim.
If for example you have a sim thats for a 3g/4g mobile broadband service with ATT or any similar carrier I'm assuming you can (at the risk of damaging the sim) continuously swap them when needed.
I'm guessing if you can manage to clone the sim, you can just use them interchangeably (though probably not simultaneously?)
Why not just use mobile hotspot/wireless tethering?
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Why not just use mobile hotspot/wireless tethering?
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Probably because then you end up running down the battery on one device just so you can provide a data connection to the second device.
You end up running down two batteries instead of one.
The European networks have the right idea - the ability to have multiple SIMs registered under a single number.
You can then choose which SIM various services are directed to using the serial numbers.
It's just a shame that here in the UK and, from the sounds of it, also in the US, that none of the networks seem willing to offer this service.
@step666
In general you have the right idea.
If I start traveling again I just want to be ready for maximum mobility and having connectivity. That would mean having sim devices and ideally a laptop that takes a sim.
From your post it seems, at least in the US, for now it seems the best I can do is get an overdrive modem with a few extra batteries.
& yes the whole point is not having to drain power from another device... I currently tether and actually have 2 batteries for both my laptop and cellular but the connectivity has its flaws and the batteries for the phone drain very quick.