Knowing that the ChevronWP7 team has now been working with Microsoft to secure the exploit they were using, and that the NoDo update coming out on Monday will relock the phone and patch said exploit, what will happen next?
Obviously some of the fine people in these forums will take a crack at it, so I suppose my question would be this: Knowing what you guys know about developing and hacking the Windows Phone, how long would it take between the release of the update and until it i cracked again?
Will it be similar to the timespan between iOS release and jailbreaks, or of Android releases and rooting? What steps do you developers and hackers anticipate you will have to take in order to developer unlock our first major OS update?
I'm just really curious, and having just gotten a Samsung Focus on Monday, I wanted to make sure whether or not it was worth updating as soon as the update was relased. What do you think?
Well, on LG phones, you have a registry editor which allows you to unlock the phone (for sideloading) without the Chevron exploit (and no need for a certificate). I wonder if the update will kill even the registry keys (or change them to something more obscure).
Assume those do not change, then a new exploit would need to access the registry of a locked phone somehow, and I am sure people here will come up with a new certificate.
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What about other phones? HTC HD7 or Samsung Focus? The Focus makes up a very large part of WP7 users.
it will come the phone is only 5 months old there has to be some bright spark out there that can unlock the phone after the updates or microsoft will allow HomeBrew applications to be loaded?
I just flashed from 7004 to PreNoDo 7008 on my HD7 and my unlocked apps are still working... I'm hoping that happens when I get my NoDo update... though unlikely. Then I could just use the sideloaded registry editor to re-unlock it. Here's to hoping!
I have installed NoDo on my US AT&T Samsung Focus and it is still Chevron unlocked.
My Omnia 7 has Nodo and homebrew software is still working.
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I have installed NoDo on my US AT&T Samsung Focus and it is still Chevron unlocked.
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I installed NoDo on my Focus and now its locked. How did you unlock it in the first place? I installed the certificate, ran Chevron tool, and checked both boxes. Now after NoDo install locked again.
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Hi Guys,
Just a quick thread in regards to my Omnia 7 which I pushed to NODO using chevron updater.
From my current position, am I able to unlock my phone, or downgrade my phone?
There are a few things I wanted to tweak using registry but backtracking and reading threads seem to need me to be unlocked/jailbroken or sitting on a pre-nodo build.
If possible, could someone point me in the right direction or describe possible steps.
I came from an android modding history for hero and galaxy S and took the easier path of updating to nodo for my omnia 7 (awesomeness goes to Chris) but am itching to muck around with this phone now
Thanks in advance
Jase
Your only option right now is to reflash your Omnia to XXJK1 ROM for example, then unlock with Chevron. Use samsung tool to disable Zune relocking. Update to 7008>update to Nodo. Goodluck.
Well, or you can actually get a developer account and use the official tools to unlock your phone for sideloaded apps. Crazy talk, I know, but it doesn't require wiping the phone. Up to you to decide if it's worth the cost ($99 unless you're a student, in which case it's free).
Thank very much guys! I shal take a look into this
Cheers
In a bit of a mess right now and can't figure out whats going on.
I bought a Samsung Focus and unlocked it and updated it to NoDo before its release using the timing trick.
BUT I reformatted it afterwords and it locked back up and I ALSO got the notification from Microsoft that I could update to NoDo when it was officially released for the Focus (though I already had NoDo). I connected it to Zune and got the official release and everything has great.
Now, my understanding was that after having done all this, my phone was back to normal and eligible to get official updates.
But I have yet to get a notification for 7392? When I connect it to Zune, it says my phone phone is already up to date with 7390.
SO, in conclusion, I would like to do either of the following 2 things:
1. Be able to get 7392, the latest release
OR
2. Roll my phone back to pre-NoDo and dev unlock it again and wait for some other work-around to surface. (I can't restore my phone using Zune because the computer I used has been since reformatted. Had I known, I would not have done that. Doh!)
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
ATT hasn't released it yet. You either wait till they do, or unbrand your phone to 000-88. If you're on a focus, on nodo, not unlocked, and don't have a pre-nodo backup to revert to, you'll be waiting for ATT to release it.
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ATT hasn't released it yet. You either wait till they do, or unbrand your phone to 000-88. If you're on a focus, on nodo, not unlocked, and don't have a pre-nodo backup to revert to, you'll be waiting for ATT to release it.
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Thank you munkey. I was confused because I saw some Focus owners got it already. Also, since my phone has NoDo, is locked and no backup, I can't rebrand? Thats not good. Also, is there any other way for me to roll back? Thanks
The only current option for rolling back a focus is the Zune backup. I've seen some talk of using someone else's backup, but have not read any success. Also, I know there are people working on a nodo unlocker, but nothing has come from that yet either. I have also read about some ROM's for the focus, but again, there is no confirmed success there. You can pay for a legit dev account through Microsoft, or attempt to get a free student dev account. Both of these will unlock ur phone, but TBH, it's not really worth the effort just to get 7392. Now, for sideloading and access to reg edits, it may be worth it
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Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
I did manage to get it unlocked by signing up for a developer account as a student. A very long and tedious process, but I'm glad I did it. The main reason I did it is so I can sideload apps, get custom ringtones, and just tinker around with my phone.
Still no idea how to get 7392 though.
Install the SAMSUNGRegistry Xap, found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=910911
to edit this registry path:
HKLM\System\Platform\DeviceTargetingInfo\MobileOperator
enter the "value" 000-88
select "STRING" not "DWORD"
press "Write"
connect to Zune, and it should prompt you with the update
if you want, you can return to the ATT branding by repeating the process, but writing ATT-US
EDIT:there is no space in "MobileOperator" the forum does that for some reason
Right now I'm 7390 but I just received a new update message what will the new update change?
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Right now I'm 7390 but I just received a new update message what will the new update change?
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Google 7392...
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Feeling like a noob over here my bad..:-D
WOW, munkey, thanks for the help, I appreciate it.. I'm going to try it out right now
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Right now I'm 7390 but I just received a new update message what will the new update change?
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/update-history.aspx
Worked like a charm! Thanks!
Sure
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Feeling like a noob over here my bad..:-D
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I wasn't trying to be dismissive or rude. I didn't have a confident and complete answer myself, so I googled it to get your answer, but there were so many links with lots of info, and I was on my phone, I figured it was easier/better if you read through them yourself.
I'm glad cookie found a suitable link for you.
Oh, and btw, it's a cumulative update, so if you don't have nodo, it will install that too. Worth a mention in case someone is holding off on nodo for whatever reason.
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7392
First of all, I apologize for bumping an old thread up. This is my first post here, and I think I might be in a bit of a pinch.
I updated to NoDo using the Hungarian VPN method when it was first published. Unfortunately for me I also carrier unbranded the registry of my device and neglected to apply the "prevent re-lock" tool before updating, rolling back and updating again once the official release became available. My phone hasn't since displayed any update prompts and Zune shows it to be up-to-date (7390). If I connect to Marketplace via WiFi only my carrier's exclusive apps do not display. This leads me to believe that carrier branding is somehow instrumental in acquiring updates.
Is my device now in a permanent state of flux? Exactly how does Windows Phone authenticate to the update server via Zune? I am asking only because I don't want to roll back to the last available backup image to get the most recent update. I first had to do this to obtain the official NoDo release and lost a bunch of apps and settings in the process. What can I do?
I have T Mobile USA HD7 and still no update. I did force update to 7239, but it does not work for 7720, I have tried a lot. Zune says it is up to date. I wonder if there are still any devices without update?
hi
same here
mine is t mobile hd7 and still no update
zune says its up to date
How exactly did you "force" the update to NoDo? If you used the Chevron Updater from Chris Walsh, you "Walshed" your phone and made it incompatible with future updates. There's a tool out there to fix that, though. Similarly, de-branding your phone to get NoDo means your phone is now a hybrid of T-Mobile branded and non-TMO branded bits, and that may be enough to prevent you from getting the update.
I have forced NoDo with the Zune trick, disconneting my internet connection.
Phone is Chevron unlocked only, nothing else.
That's pretty weird, not going to lie. You can try the U2M7720 app (see the development & hacking sub-forum) and it might work for you. It provisions the phone to use the beta upgrade path, including the beta-to-retail final patch. As a bonus, you have a pretty good chance of being able to interop-unlock your phone, something which is otherwise tricky to do on HTC.
That might work. I think I will try to hard reset first, if that does not help I ll install one of the free roms, like dft. Thank you.
Hello,
I just have my phone unlocked after ordering an unlock code from Chevron Labs, it works after some seconds, my phone is unlocked. But after that I notice there's something called Inter-Op Lock and this lock state doesn't allow me to side-load apps that need higher privileges. I feels a bit disappointed. Now, I wonder is there's any way to inter-op unlock ? or I need to do revert my phone to Nodo and messing with their old tool ?
Thanks for reading..
Interop unlock is required for higher privileges. No way to do that ATM.
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Hello,
I just have my phone unlocked after ordering an unlock code from Chevron Labs, it works after some seconds, my phone is unlocked. But after that I notice there's something called Inter-Op Lock and this lock state doesn't allow me to side-load apps that need higher privileges. I feels a bit disappointed. Now, I wonder is there's any way to inter-op unlock ? or I need to do revert my phone to Nodo and messing with their old tool ?
Thanks for reading..
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With samsung phones it's very easy. You only need to deploy the provxml for interop unlock and using diagnose app run this xml. That's all.
If you do a little effort searching you can found it without problems.
OP, what phone do you have? There's currently easy interop-unlock for LG and Samsung phones. HTC is technically possible but currently difficult and requires rolling back to pre-Mango first (we're working on it!). Nokia and Toshiba/Fujitsu are not currently available (working on them too...)
Thanks for answers yeah i wa wondering that i can interop unlock directly after unlockd using chevron token. Revert to nodo is ok to go, thanks
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Today i was playing games on my phone like anyother day and in the afternoon my phone relocked itself.( I can't deploy anything now)
I don't know the cause but just a few days ago i updated a few apps and i didn't deploy anything on my phone. I didn't even touch connection setup at all
I own a HTC HD7 7.10.8107, Can someone please give me instructions on how to to unlock it please
Hmm... do you have Zune Pass? My phone re-locked itself (well, returned to stock dev-unlock and lost interop-unlock; I have an AppHub account) when my annual Zune Pass subscription expired and auto-renewed. At least, I assume that was the cause, since I can't think of anything else that could have been responisble for the change during those few few hours.
Restoring a backup should re-unlock the phone, though I can't promise it wouldn't re-lock.
This is not a good sign - GDTD; please read over this thread as well....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1542297
i've restored a working backup, but it is still the same
damn u ms.....................
@LiFePo4: Thanks. I'm not sure what more to add to that thread, but it's a concerning event. I'd like to find a common thread to all these unexpected re-locks. In my case, the Zune Pass renewal was very suspiciously timed, but that *could* have been a coincidence.
@blanket: The backup itself would definitely still have been unlocked (it's a ew registry keys, and the registry is completely overwritten and restored by the backed up version). However, it's possible that the phone very quickly re-locked itself again. Perhaps it was triggered by some datestamp or something? Try and remember if there's anything special you had done with the phone, or with the WLID that the phone is associated wtih, exactly one year prior to the relock...
That said, given that my phone has *not* re-locked again since that one time, I would have expected a restored backup to work. Very odd. Possibly the problem is because the backup restores the phone's clock as well, and so suddenly the phone crossed that threshold of "time to re-lock" again?
Oooo, what if you registered as a Dev on AppHub exactly one year ago. Then let's say the phone can not check with the app hub to see if you have still paid your dues so it is designed to Lock again....by removing the links in the registry to prevent relock you have severed that link back to the "mother ship".
So, a 1 year timer says "well, I can't check to see if this guy is still paying his Dev Account dues so I have to Lock until I can".
Possibility? Did those getting relocked sign up for a Dev account about a year ago?
No I don't own a Zune pass or apphub. I unlocked my phone using ansar's method would it be related to him or his account?? a fee days ago I updated a fee apps such as sound enhancer,photobox ask ziggu etc.
I'm going to try backup my phone tonight to see what happens
I don't know anything about ansar's stuff (nor do I want to); sorry.
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Oooo, what if you registered as a Dev on AppHub exactly one year ago. Then let's say the phone can not check with the app hub to see if you have still paid your dues so it is designed to Lock again....by removing the links in the registry to prevent relock you have severed that link back to the "mother ship".
So, a 1 year timer says "well, I can't check to see if this guy is still paying his Dev Account dues so I have to Lock until I can".
Possibility? Did those getting relocked sign up for a Dev account about a year ago?
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that sounds possible, which means many more who used the original chevron method would be meeting with the same fate as me. But what about those who used the chevron unlock + interop unlock and applied the tweaks to prevent the phone from relocking?
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that sounds possible, which means many more who used the original chevron method would be meeting with the same fate as me. But what about those who used the chevron unlock + interop unlock and applied the tweaks to prevent the phone from relocking?
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Thats my situation , My HTC HD7 was chervon unlock at prenodo and updated to 8107 then interop unlock. It was working fine for so long then yesterday out of the blue when i opened adobe reader it gave me that dumb revoked by microsoft ****.
I never used the original Chevron (couldn't since my phone came with NoDo). I am not sure what could be happening if that is the method you used (someone else with experience using the original would have to chime in).
I got my phone unlocked using the new Chevron token and then IU'd. There is definitely something freaky going on with these "random" relocks that people get once in a great while and there doesn't seem to be a pattern (yet).
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P.S. This doesn't seem to happen that often so I don't think MS has put some system in place to purposely go after IU devices. It just seems to be a sequence of events that differ for each user, but also each user seems to be unlocked from a different method so who knows
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Thats my situation , My HTC HD7 was chervon unlock at prenodo and updated to 8107 then interop unlock. It was working fine for so long then yesterday out of the blue when i opened adobe reader it gave me that dumb revoked by microsoft ****.
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I came from the original chevron unlock too
I'm going to restore without an internet connection tonight, see if it works
Frustrating
A similar thing happened with me recently. I found the culprit of the problem was that MS uses a "lease" of sorts when registering phones to be unlocked for development. You have to unregister your device, and then, re-register it again. Also make sure you're using the latest Windows Phone SDK from create.msdn.com to register it, otherwise it might not be recognized appropriately.
@thekiller99 and @blanket - looks like a common situation then having to do with Chevron per-nodo unlock. Hopefully someone with more insight into what that method originally did and has now exposed to MS can chime.
Wish I could help but this all predates me; I didn't get a WP7 until Verizon finally came out with the Trophy and it came with NoDo so I had went the Dev account originally until Chevron sold tokens, then I bought one and canceled my Dev account. I also unregistered my phone before I canceled it so hopefully any "leases" were removed; guess I'll find out in July when my one year anniversary comes...
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@thekiller99 and @blanket - looks like a common situation then having to do with Chevron per-nodo unlock. Hopefully someone with more insight into what that method originally did and has now exposed to MS can chime.
Wish I could help but this all predates me; I didn't get a WP7 until Verizon finally came out with the Trophy and it came with NoDo so I had went the Dev account originally until Chevron sold tokens, then I bought one and canceled my Dev account. I also unregistered my phone before I canceled it so hopefully any "leases" were removed; guess I'll find out in July when my one year anniversary comes...
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chevron ran out of tokens when I finally got my credit card activated
Don't mind paying for it, but.....its not even sold anymore!
I could have jumped to ios (no android please...) but still decided to keep faith with ms and this is what I get
Oh man...
What can i do now? I don't have any previous backups since i reformatted my laptop not so long ago? Do i have to go full unlock(deepshining DFT)? I don't really like flashing some random rom on my phone as i want to keep it as original as it can.
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What can i do now? I don't have any previous backups since i reformatted my laptop not so long ago? Do i have to go full unlock(deepshining DFT)? I don't really like flashing some random rom on my phone as i want to keep it as original as it can.
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Here is a good summary of options depending on your phone;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538801
Is it possible to downgrade it? and use ansar's method to upgrade it back to 8107? I don't like Custom roms because they aren't really safe and im not a tech guy that can easily follow instructions.
It's possible, yes. However, it's somewhat difficult to get the original ChevronWP7 Unlocker working now; its certificate has expired, and you'll have to downgrade your phone to pre-NoDo, then preserve the unlock through each subsequent update (including upgrading to Mango, which will re-lock the phone). I suggest deploying Heathcliff74's HTC Interop Unlock app before upgrading to Mango, as you'll then be able to use Connection Setup to get both dev- and interop-unlock easily.
Alternatively, you could of course get an AppHub account, or pester Microsoft for more ChevronWP7 Labs unlock tokens. The first costs money (unless you're a student), and the second would take a while and has no guarantee of success, though.
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It's possible, yes. However, it's somewhat difficult to get the original ChevronWP7 Unlocker working now; its certificate has expired, and you'll have to downgrade your phone to pre-NoDo, then preserve the unlock through each subsequent update (including upgrading to Mango, which will re-lock the phone). I suggest deploying Heathcliff74's HTC Interop Unlock app before upgrading to Mango, as you'll then be able to use Connection Setup to get both dev- and interop-unlock easily.
Alternatively, you could of course get an AppHub account, or pester Microsoft for more ChevronWP7 Labs unlock tokens. The first costs money (unless you're a student), and the second would take a while and has no guarantee of success, though.
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But for heathcliff74's htc interop unlock app to work i have to downgrade my phone?(currently in 8107) How would i do that? I don't' have any backups saved anymore that dates back to prenodo. If i have to flash some random rom to my phone im going to run into trouble since im not very good at this kind of thing.