as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
hiimjasonkolp said:
as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
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I'm in SF and getting HSDPA and about 1.5mbps.... good ol ATT. Tho as soon as I leave the city I get 3-5mbps...
hiimjasonkolp said:
as soon as I got my inspire 4G i noticed the speeds sucked.... I was getting less than 2Mbps,... on my previous phone, "nexus one" I was getting up to 4Mbps... here is hard proof,.... can the devs please get to work on the radio... http://pocketnow.com/android/is-att-misleading-about-hspa-on-the-inspire-4g-video
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It has been fixed for a while not. You need root and a different ROM. It has nothing to do with he radio.
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It has been fixed for a while not. You need root and a different ROM. It has nothing to do with he radio.
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No you're mixing issues. This thread is about HSPA+ vs HSUPA not the HSUPA upload blocking issue.
Please read the article before responding.
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No you're mixing issues. This thread is about HSPA+ vs HSUPA not the HSUPA upload blocking issue.
Please read the article before responding.
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Hey goober, I read the article back on 02/06 when it was published. How about you read the OP before acting like an ass.
There is nothing the DEV's can do to fix the issues, it all comes down to AT&T expanding their HSPA+ footprint. Until then , you are SOL.
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Hey goober, I read the article back on 02/06 when it was published. How about you read the OP before acting like an ass.
There is nothing the DEV's can do to fix the issues, it all comes down to AT&T expanding their HSPA+ footprint. Until then , you are SOL.
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Are you high? Read what you wrote. You said updating Rom fixes it in your first message then 2 posts later said the only fix is when ATT upgrades the network.
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Are you high? Read what you wrote. You said updating Rom fixes it in your first message then 2 posts later said the only fix is when ATT upgrades the network.
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Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
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Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
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Clearly you didn't read the article the OP asked about or you'd understand not have responded as you did then changed the subject.
Either way I'm not going to bicker. Have a good one.
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Clearly you didn't read the article the OP asked about or you'd understand not have responded as you did then changed the subject.
Either way I'm not going to bicker. Have a good one.
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Well I have all night to bicker.
The article was about slow speed tests and the fact that AT&T was using the fake H+ icon when the phone was in fact only receiving UMTS and HSDPA signals.
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Well I have all night to bicker.
The article was about slow speed tests and the fact that AT&T was using the fake H+ icon when the phone was in fact only receiving UMTS and HSDPA signals.
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Not to get technical, but the HSPDA+ logo is actually correctly being used. The software and the communications standard being broadcast from the cell towers IS HSPDA+ and has been upgraded. So they are transmitting using the HSPDA protocol. Here of course is the problem...without the required wiring upgrade (aka backhaul) we cannot maximize the HSPDA+ signal, but we are getting it.
I admit it is a very narrow technicality, but it is true. Our phones are communicating in HSPDA+ as indicated.
I don't understand all these speed threads.
You can run a test on the same phone standing in the same place 3 times in a row and get 3 wildly different results.
If you can't get consistent results, what's the point of testing ?
Network congestion is the biggest factor so what your little icon at the top is doing is nearly irrelevant.
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Not to get technical, but the HSPDA+ logo is actually correctly being used. The software and the communications standard being broadcast from the cell towers IS HSPDA+ and has been upgraded. So they are transmitting using the HSPDA protocol. Here of course is the problem...without the required wiring upgrade (aka backhaul) we cannot maximize the HSPDA+ signal, but we are getting it.
I admit it is a very narrow technicality, but it is true. Our phones are communicating in HSPDA+ as indicated.
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No, they're not, that's the point. Your phone is using HSDPA, go into Settings, About, Network, and look at the protocol being used. At least here in San Francisco it's HSDPA. Once they "flip the switch" it'll say HSPA+, but until then, it's HSDPA.
But to your point, your premise is right... regardless of HSDPA or HSPA+, the argument is moot until the backhaul beats the capacity. My 802.11n router gets me nothing over an 802.11g because my internet speed (backhaul) hasn't surpassed the speed capacity of a 802.11g router, let alone an 802.11n.
My only point to the guy who was bickering with me in the first couple responses was that he was arguing for the sake of arguing, because the OP's comments were 100% referring to HSDPA vs HSPA+ and asking when the phone will be able to get the newest technology advertised, which refer to download speed, and his first response was "this has been fixed in a Rom from XDA devs" which is an inaccurate response. When I corrected him, he pretended like he hadn't said what he said in post 3, and went on to then say (with name calling in defense) it's actually dependent on AT&T, not a rom update. LOL
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I don't understand all these speed threads.
You can run a test on the same phone standing in the same place 3 times in a row and get 3 wildly different results.
If you can't get consistent results, what's the point of testing ?
Network congestion is the biggest factor so what your little icon at the top is doing is nearly irrelevant.
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Is there a question to that? LOL. You're right, you get much different results based on location.... people on here aren't complaining about what the little icon says, they're complaining about the actual speed. It's normal for fluctuation based on congestion. Here in San Francisco at 10pm I can get 3mbps, but during the day when the bridge and tunnel folk come into the city during the work day, the population of the city quadruples, and my speed chops in half, or more.
The speed test is the only accurate way to get a sense as to the technology's performance.
See picture.
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See picture.
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I agree... Bottom line, if you patch your upload to be HSUPA, you'll get the best performance out of THIS phone at THIS time with THIS network: AT&T, hehe. When they upgrade, you'll get faster speed. Done
here is what i see is happening. on my nexus one, my speed test, in los angeles, san diego, philly, is around this:
3Mbps down
1.6Mbps up
but on the inspire, no matter how many tests i run, or location, i get:
1.8Mbps down
0.3Mbps up
this is because the firmware on the inspire is not right, likely the build.prop needs to be changed from hsxpa=1 to hsxpa=2, or something like that. no matter how many times in a row that test is run, the needle bounces off that upload speed right at 0.3 and never breaks the barrier. guess what UMTS barrier is, its 384 Kbps, exactly 0.3 Mbps. the inspire firmware is crapped right now on this.
that is an HSUPA issue. the OTHER issue of getting HSPA+ speeds, like:
10 Mbps down
1.5Mbps up
that is totally different, and that is due to ATT's network currently not having enough backhaul to support those high speeds. from all the tests i've done with my nexus one, the highest i ever see is 3Mbps down. so to me that says the majority of the ATT network is still on 7.2 Mbps with backhaul barely enough to support that speed.
2 issues going on here.
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Read closely baby girl...
The OP wrote "can the devs please get to work on the radio... " implying that was the cause for the slow data speeds.
We all (except for you) have figured out the cause was the disabled HSUPA, which in turn increased latency slowing the DL speeds.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN CORRECTED.
Now the next step is for AT&T to fix their **** so we can actually see the speeds that the phone is perfectly capable of.
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This is funniest thing i read today LOL, read closely baby girl!
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This is funniest thing i read today LOL, read closely baby girl!
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So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
Everything I have read so far has said it is supported, but now that you mention it, what would be the difference, a certain frequency band I guess? Nothing I have read over thus far has said anything about a difference between countries (i.e. US and rest of world)...
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So, will the captivate have HSUPA?? It says on the main page here on XDA, in the specs breakdown, next to HSUPA it says, NOT IN US.
I could have swore i read that it WILL have it?
I have an iphone 4, and have become accustomed to the crazy fast upload now, but i wanted to pick up the captivate to tinker with an android phone.
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Not sure if this is fast enough for you but unless AT&T massacred the radio in the Captivate you should experience speeds like.... http://twitpic.com/24a5ri
That's my Galaxy S in Orlando running solely off 1900MHz 3G.
FWIW, this indicates HSUPA is supported, but I'd consider this a preliminary spec that needs to be confirmed after the Captivate is released and tested.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2430&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i897_galaxy_s_captivate_
Sweet, very nice.
Seriously, once you have HSUPA, you cant go back. Its like going back to edge.
I still think i'm going to hold out about a week or so after the device launches just to make sure of a few things that i need to have.
thanks fellas!
Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
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Can we bring this back for discussion again?
From what I understand, when you are on HSUPA you will get an H in the status bar instead of 3G. Is anyone seeing this? So far I haven't seen this and speedtests have agreed that I haven't had HSUPA. I had an iphone 4 before and I know it was on HSUPA in the same area.
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Yes. If you look at my picture posted here http://twitpic.com/24a5ri you will see the 'H' you are asking about in the statusbar.
My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
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My phone says I'm on HSDPA but I only have the 3G icon on my screen. Do you only get the "H" when you have the high-speed upload? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me.
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I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
Well that's weird. I'll have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can figure out why mine won't jump on HSUPA.
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Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
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Okay, so at my house, where I know I got HSUPA on the iPhone 4, I'm definitely not getting it now on the Captivate. I have a signal strength of -51 dB, so I know I have enough signal. I couldn't get much higher signal if I sat under the tower. I'm wondering if I have a problem on my phone since trinikartel got HSUPA just fine.
I'm new to Android, anyone know something to check for this?
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Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
derek4484 said:
Well trinikartel said he was on a Galaxy S, not a Captivate. I'm thinking the US versions dont have HSUPA. I have another thread on here stating that I got 2457 down and only 174 up this morning. Also, I've never seen my 3G turn to an H.
Also, I dont know if it matters but on my 3G icon the down arrow is orange and the up arrow is green.
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Oh, I didn't see him say that. That sucks. I really hope the Captivate didn't get crippled, but right now, there's no other explanation than that. I SHOULD have HSUPA right now, and I don't.
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I think you guys don't realize that AT&T's HSUPA is still broken. Don't you remember that whole upload fiasco? It affects the Captivate as it does the iPhone 4 and it hasn't been fixed in those markets (apparently most) where they use the Lucent equipment.
I used to get great HSUPA upload speeds on my AT&T banded N1 and the upload has not been fixed as uploads are still stuck at regular 3G < 300kbit speeds.
The Captivate undoubtedly supports HSUPA, but AT&T's network is still borked and as far as I can tell they have not rolled out any fix.
I have both the N1 and the Captivate.
The only other thing I can think of is if AT&T is turning off the HSUPA based on the phones IMEI or model number.
Just checked with an iPhone 4 friend, can not get over 200k -300l, so there is still a system wide HSUPA failure as far as my limited testing in my market is concerned.
Used to be 1.6mbit up quite regularly on the N1 or the iPhone4.
-James
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I never had an issue where I live. While everyone else was going slow, I was still doing 1200-1300 Kbps.
Edit: Looks like there's a good chance the Captivate WAS crippled. There's absolutely no mention of HSUPA in the manual at all. This REALLY sucks. I may consider returning the phone because of this and leaving AT&T.
Its all 3g hsdpa/umts
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trinikartel said:
I've read somewhere awhile back that it fluctuates from showing 3G to HSDPA when it's active on data transfer and hits/detects the higher speed...don't hold me to that though. Maybe someone else can offer more insight into it but i've actively seen the icon switch from 3G to H with not interaction by me (background data i assume)
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AT&T devices do not show the H like the International versions, they use 3G icon only to avoid confusion apparently.
Well on AT&T's site it says the iphone 4 has umts/hsdpa. I'm pretty positive that it has hsupa. So I don't believe AT&T's site is an accurate source of information for their own products.
I just put my sim card back in my ATT Tilt2. It DOES show H in Dallas, TX. As it has since I bought it. Captivate shows 3g. There IS a speed difference.
I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
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I live in NYC and just ran a speed test. I'm getting 1.52 - 2mpbs down and .19mbps up. While my friend on his iphone 4 sitting right next to me is getting 3 mbps down and 1.8mbps up. This phone definitely slower. And when I tether the speeds go even slower. Is phone really crippled?
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I'm getting about the same right now (at night I can get 4M down). The thing is that I'm getting the same crappy upstream speeds with my Nexus One. Before the whole AT&T equipment ****-up in early July, I was getting ~1.5M up with my Nexus. Now I'm wondering if they crippled it for non-Apple devices.
ok this is my Sony Ericsson x10a
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/rs4album/IMAG0003.jpg
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Anyone else's Inspire getting crap speeds? Why is my x10 slaughtering this?
I had the same problem. Try creating a new APN then switching back to the original one. I was getting 0.5mbs then getting 1-3mbs afterwards.
Noodles5666 said:
ok this is my Sony Ericsson x10a
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/rs4album/IMAG0003.jpg
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Anyone else's Inspire getting crap speeds? Why is my x10 slaughtering this?
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I'm having the same problem.
dewgong said:
I had the same problem. Try creating a new APN then switching back to the original one. I was getting 0.5mbs then getting 1-3mbs afterwards.
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Making an exact duplicate of the original?
JaysFreaky said:
I'm having the same problem.
Making an exact duplicate of the original?
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I am seeing the same thing. My download is typical (1-3mbps here in SF), but my iPhone would typically get 1-2mbps upload and I cant get better than 400kbps on the Inspire 4G
bella92108 said:
I am seeing the same thing. My download is typical (1-3mbps here in SF), but my iPhone would typically get 1-2mbps upload and I cant get better than 400kbps on the Inspire 4G
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check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961198
andysousa said:
check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961198
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Until the root\rom becomes less buggy I'm just going to deal with the slow upload speeds. Upload isn't a huge deal for me anyhow, it's all about the download, baby!
Download seems to be as fast as ever, at least as fast as AT&T's network will support here. We're still limited to about 1-3 mbps in SF, whereas when I go to Seattle or Vegas I commonly see 4-6 mbps... Bummer they're so slow to upgrade backhaul.
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Until the root\rom becomes less buggy I'm just going to deal with the slow upload speeds. Upload isn't a huge deal for me anyhow, it's all about the download, baby!
Download seems to be as fast as ever, at least as fast as AT&T's network will support here. We're still limited to about 1-3 mbps in SF, whereas when I go to Seattle or Vegas I commonly see 4-6 mbps... Bummer they're so slow to upgrade backhaul.
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Yeah.. in boston i am lucky to get 1.5. I am guessing they haven't flipped the switch on the 4g? Sort of horrible how they advertise it though, walked by a att store in the mall tonight and there were signs all over the place about it.
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Yeah.. in boston i am lucky to get 1.5. I am guessing they haven't flipped the switch on the 4g? Sort of horrible how they advertise it though, walked by a att store in the mall tonight and there were signs all over the place about it.
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Well there's no "flipping the switch" because all the hardware in the metros has been upgraded to HSPA+... but the issue holding us back on speed is the backhaul going into the network. It's like going from 802.11g to 802.11n and expecting your internet to go faster... if you only have a 10 mbps internet connection going into it you can have the fastest router on the planet and the internet still won't go past 10 mbps... that's ATT's issue. The HSPA supported the backhaul just fine, they weren't maxing it out, and now HSPA+ aka their "4G(like) Speed Network" has the technology in place, but until they upgrade the individual tower's backhaul, houston, we have a roadblock :-( Good ol Ma Bell http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
Same here only getting 2.5mbps Max in SoCal...sometimes just .60-.80mbps lol..
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I know this isn't just about the Inspire, but kept seeing people write that AT&T will have the backhaul turned on or complete on March 1.
Anyone know if this has happened? I have not seen any increase in speeds at all.
I believe it has been turned on for the areas at&t has the enhanced backhaul deployed. It's not available everywhere yet.
http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=Cfb68NsnGk7 - Check the coverage map and scroll over it to see where at&t currently has 4G.
Huh. It says I am in a prime area for 4G Coverage...
What kind of speeds are you attaining?
Rooted stock rom, 2 Mb down 1 Mb up.
Map currently does not depict 4G
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Map currently does not depict 4G
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Rooted stock rom, 2 Mb down 1 Mb up.
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That's strange, I regularly see over 4.5Mb down, 1.2Mb up.
here is what att told me
I have seen some improvements. By my work during the day I was getting 1500 down. Now I am getting 3500 down on average. Check my sig, that was the best I have yet to see on my phone 6496 down and 1321 up.
Woke up this morning and ran a speed test for fun. Was consistently getting 4.1-4.3 mbps down (topped out at 4.5) with 1.3 mbps up. Previously i was getting around 3.3 down and 1.3 up. Running Android Rev 2.1. Will be traveling a bit today and will do more tests.
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I know this isn't just about the Inspire, but kept seeing people write that AT&T will have the backhaul turned on or complete on March 1.
Anyone know if this has happened? I have not seen any increase in speeds at all.
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that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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I believe it has been turned on for the areas at&t has the enhanced backhaul deployed. It's not available everywhere yet.
http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=Cfb68NsnGk7 - Check the coverage map and scroll over it to see where at&t currently has 4G.
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I live smack dab in the middle of the 4G coverage in San Francisco, and my phone is still showing HSDPA and getting about 1.5mbps-3mbps... certainly not the "4G" like speeds they depict.
netnerd said:
that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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I agree with your comments 100% here. I've yet to see a snapshot of network settings showing HSPA+ ... everyone still shows HSDPA.... and the speeds are reflective of such.
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that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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How many times are you going to post these ignorant comments? Your statements have absolutely zero credibility and you've consistently displayed the fact that your knowledge of at&t's network is nonexistent.
HSPA+ has been officially recognized as 4G and the speeds attained by it are similar to current capabilities of WiMax and LTE. T-Mobile's 4G network is also HSPA+.
The network enhancements have not yet been rolled out to all areas, so you will not get 4G speed simply by using an 4G capable phone. I personally have seen over 4.5 Mbs down and I'm in an area where at&t doesn't even show the enhanced backhaul to be deployed.
You're more than welcome to do actual research into at&t's ongoing network improvements, so you will be better informed on this matter.
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How many times are you going to post these ignorant comments? Your statements have absolutely zero credibility and you've consistently displayed the fact that your knowledge of at&t's network is nonexistent.
HSPA+ has been officially recognized as 4G and the speeds attained by it are similar to current capabilities of WiMax and LTE. T-Mobile's 4G network is also HSPA+.
The network enhancements have not yet been rolled out to all areas, so you will not get 4G speed simply by using an 4G capable phone. I personally have seen over 4.5 Mbs down and I'm in an area where at&t doesn't even show the enhanced backhaul to be deployed.
You're more than welcome to do actual research into at&t's ongoing network improvements, so you will be better informed on this matter.
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Wow, you're the poster child for AT&T's marketing campaign.
He is actually 100% right. It's 3G rebranded as 4G, hence why AT&T is legally obligated to put fine print on everything, saying "4G-like speed" ... HSPA+ is NOT accepted as 4G, it's only MARKETED as such to try and gain acceptance from consumers.
If you don't like AT&T then switch.......... If you don't have AT&T leave us alone.
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that is just att BS excuess! the real truth is they just rename their 3G networks as 4G! funny, those people "claim" they have hspa+ speed (over 4.5mb per sec) but no one have youtube to prove it! haha
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If you don't like AT&T then switch.......... If you don't have AT&T leave us alone.
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I don't have a problem with the speeds I'm getting. Compared to Verizon and Sprint, AT&T is 2X as fast in every major metro area TODAY.
I don't care if it's real 4G or 3.5G or 3G... even at 3G their average speed nationwide IS faster than Verizon. Great I can use Verizon LTE in San Francisco, but what about when I'm in Billings, or Ft Lauderdale, or Scottsdale? Back on their 3G network, which runs at about 700k... no thanks!
The bottom line is I think those of us on this forum are just upset that they're trying to sell the network as 4G, and it's not. However if you were a business and both Sprint and Verizon are deploying 4G, you have to do something to compete or watch customers flock to the next best thing. By advertising 4G-like speeds, they get around the legal issues surrounding false advertising, and at the end of the day, the consumer really gets the same experience. YouTube doesn't look any better at 8mbps than it does at 1mbps... and www.tmz.com loads just as fast at 2mbps as it does at 5mbps... The only impact is on those who tether\use data cards, really.
If they marketed it as "ATT 4.0" or "Verizon 4.0" and both delivered 4.0 mbps speed, would you really CARE what technology they use? No, but stupid Americans only respond to silly marketing names (aka Inspire, Desire, Droid, Aria, Evo, MyTouch, Captivate, Intercept... blah blah blah)... if they called it a HTC 5450, or a Samsung X9014, people would be afraid of it.... the only reason Blackberry was able to break into the consumer market was by adding names like Bold, Curve, Storm... BOOM, you have my attention! lol
So thank all of the dumb people (mostly those 99% not on this forum), for requiring things dumbed down for them that caused the whole 3\3.5\4G naming debacle. hehe
Here is a speed test I just ran.
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Here is a speed test I just ran.
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Mine to your same server.
**** My results are common for middle of the day on a business day in San Francisco. The network here usually runs at about 50% of the speed as it does at night... it's real bad, but always been this way ****
ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
if you use adw launcher and custom make an icon attached to the hidden menu apk you can access the test and servicing menus like other phones BUT... if you go into test settings for phone (play around its in there) there is a menu the shows hspda (3g, hspda+ being 4g) and many other functions that are advertised on the phone that are all listed as NOT IMPLIMENTED YET!!
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming). so it would make sense why the signal on the phone is screwed up and dropping (confused phone maybe?) and why im still getting 3g speeds (slightly faster maybe from better signal reception due to upgraded hardware from my previous Vibrant).
go take a look for yourself and let me know what you think. im sure you can use desktop visualizer to get to the menu to. DONT MESS WITH ANYTHING THOUGH. i had to reset my phone and not with a hard reset, but a recovery i found on a nvflash website. almost bricked it. so just look but don't touch anything important unless you know what your doing.
im looking forward to hearing what everything thinks of this and the giant list of other features also saying this in the same menu. because i feel mislead just a little bit.....
I think it's just that the functions in the hidden menu aren't implemented yet.
Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well
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ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
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There's a reason for that...
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming)
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I've got a hot 4g connection where I am (west Texas), you don't get 4.9-5.6mb (Speedtest) download on 3g. Did you check the T-Mobile coverage map to see if you have it in your area yet?
Edit: you also may need a new sim card. Depending on the age of the card, you might not be able to get a stable lock on to 4g (age as in what generation it was produced.. not how long you've had it)
thats possible, but im getting 3g speeds still as far as i can tell and i don't see why it wouldnt be included in the "hidden menu" if it is working since we aren't "really" supposed to know about the hidden menu. anyways just something i noticed.
menu is Hidden Menu->modem settings is where the menu is at.
and i got a new sim card (tired 2 new ones both the same) and yes i am in salt lake city and it is a 4g area for tmobile. but seems like everyone (mostly) is getting signal drops all over the place. my 2g isn't working as consistantly as it did before on my vibrant either. im sure gingerbread will fix all of this though.
I'm getting 4-8mps down in Metro Atlanta. I say 4G speed is on.
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Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well
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I'm having the same problem, and I've even got a 2G booster in my house. My 2G connection drops all the time on my G2X but not my Vibrant. When I look at the signal strength when it's up it's not much different than the Vibrant, -104dBm on the G2X vs -100 dBm on the Vibrant
Im at a consistent 6-9mb dl at my house with a 1mb+ ul. Im calling it 4g and have you tried your conn outside of your city to see if its just congestion on the network?
I'm also getting 4-8mbps speeds in Atlanta, 4g is definitely working.
I'm in vegas, every hour, I get only 10 or 20mn of 4g at 6Mb download speed, the rest of the time I'm on 2g. At night time,i get 4g most of the time. So I guess in the day time, they kick me back to 2g to save their bandwitch, I'm returning my phone to let them know this is not acceptable
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My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.
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My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.
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Not sure but this may have as much to do with the processor and RAM speed as the connection speed.
I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+
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I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+
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I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.
A few things, before we get too heavy handed on the FUD:
The phone is technically '4G' compatible, and it supports it out of the box.
Most of T-Mo's towers have been upgraded to support their 4G (HSPA+)
Regular HSPA caps out at about 3.5Mbps down. I've gotten as much as 7Mbps down on my G2x
Personally, I haven't had many issues with signal, but I live in Houston, so that may have something to do with it.
4g is on in Huntington Beach, and irvine.
I did notice its not a huge difference speed wise though. I had the moto cliq 3g and i would get 1mbs ish to 5mbs DL, and with the G2x im averaging about 3mbs to 7mbs. not a huge difference but the big change is Latency. I used to rock 700ms to 1000ms on 3g with my cliq, im getting around 55ms to 150ms on my G2x.
Latency is key for me though, i would prefer lower latency than higher download speeds. Due to the fact I need to vpn and voip with company network.
I found that t mobiles 3g network is still very capable in speed. the main issue i had was my cliq was underpowered to handle the t mobiles network. when i would tether my rooted nook color it would perform like a champ.
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I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.
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Where do you live? Is it possible T-Mo may not support HSPA+ in your area?
It's also important to note that even if the towers you're connected to support HSPA+, that's only one part of the process. They also have to upgrade the data connection to the tower itself (backhaul) to ensure it can handle the speeds. If you're connected to an HSPA+ tower that doesn't have the upgraded backhaul, that could explain slow speeds.
No.
HSPA+ ("4G") is on and working. You're just not in an HSPA+ area it seems.
We're all getting faster than HSPA speeds, so we are certainly on HSPA+. Speedtests are the best way for you to verify if you are on EDGE (2G), HSPA (3G), or HSPA+ (4G).
I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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That's the thing though. The way T-Mo has their network setup, if you can get 3G from a tower, you should be able to get 4G. Period. You may not get 4G speeds, but you're technically connected to an HSPA+ tower, and thus the 4G icon. It'd be weird to connect a tower that supports HSPA at this point, but not HSPA+ (though I'm sure there are some out there)
I wish there was a fix for our infuse to get better data download and upload like this fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584409
the above fix made a huge difference on my windows phone.
just a thought and please don't flame.
we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.
Be ready...
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we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.
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Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
but that fix makes a huge difference.
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Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
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are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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try both phones on a speed test website like speakeasy.com
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are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.
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I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it's always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.
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what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.
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what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.
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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
Before I did the fix to the tilt2, oh boy, it sucked try getting a connection but after the fix, I connect every time and this was and is with 1 bar.
That's why I was saying, I wish we could get a fix, to get hdpa or h+ on the infuse all the time. I'm sure hdpa is supported everywhere.
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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
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1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.
I forgot maybe 2 weeks ago there was a thread about changing the packet size of the data to speed things up... I think that helped a little, but I have no idea since I usually have pretty good signal
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1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.
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I know the problem is that I dont have good reception at home.....this only happens at home...but what I'm saying is that my tilt2 had the same problem with reception but after I did the dataspeed fix, I didn't have that problem any more...comprende????